Hi Bildexter, exactly. Devotees will claim that he is wiping away the drool/sweat from his mouth as he always does, which then leads us to question why he is drooling/sweating in the first place? Furthermore, it is widely believed that Sai Baba had decided to start performing this "miracle" in public from 1999 onwards in a specific bid to revive his image as a powerful guru and to combat the proliferation of sexual abuse allegations, which started coming out around 1999. Bear in mind that he had been perfoming this linga trick since around 1958 or so, and stopped doing it in 1979 ostensibly because of the rowdy crowds. Twenty years later he "conveniently" starts it up again to revive his flagging fame.

By the way, would you like to consider the story of the 2004 Lingodbhava? Even though the video clip of that event (released on the Internet via devotional websites) was very poor, I immediately knew that this was a fraud due to the large bulge in the handkerchief in Sai Baba's hands. Sai Baba clearly popped it into his mouth and pretended to vomit it out. This was confirmed by the crystal-clear BBC video footage who were incidentally there at the time filming the event. They had a glorious side-view of the event which clearly showed no lingam coming out of Sai Baba's mouth. The only thing that came out of Sai Baba's mouth was regurgitated water. He collapsed shortly afterwards in full public view, was escorted into his room and came out later to tell everyone that he had again vomited a lingam that weighed three tons!

How any reasonable, rational and sensible person with an active brain could believe any of that pap is beyond me.

We don't need an independent agency to confirm something that everyone can see with their own eyes, duh. Not least the fact that Sai Baba is carelessly caught cheating in devotional movies produced by Richard Bock, live darshan videos like my own, as well as the famous 'God Lives In India' video that was pulled from the ashram shelves soon after the trick was discovered. More like 'Cheats Live In India'.

People like Erlendur Haraldsson would rather spend a lot of time trying to eliminate noise from movies, lol.

The post /m249 did not address the main point of my post /m248 , the enquiry part of the ash falling off picture frames.

It simply states Mick Brown's reporting of his meeting with another person. Mick Brown did not conduct an investigation. He did not confirm positively what makes the ash appear. He simply believes it is not a hoax.

What I asked for was an investigation experience but not some one's belief.

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:20 AM
Why do you bozos always lie about people addressing your points?

Beast Master, as far as I know you have NEVER been to see Sai Baba or any of the phenomena so you are a hypocrite babbling about things you have no experience of. Like I said, YOU are a condescending anonymous armchair critic who, like most of the anti-Sais, has absolutely nothing better to do than play mind games on the internet. To people like me who have DECADES of experience with miraculous phenomena and have researched it VERY carefully, you are just another arrogant ignoramous going nowhere fast. I'm not going to waste my time playing your games Beast Master. Miraculous phenomena can usually not be "proven". Usually only it's EFFECTS can be documented. That's why it is called MIRACULOUS! The fact that you goofballs think you can "prove" something when you were not even there is just idiotic. Please get a life and quit wasting my time with your illogical, childish and phony tripe. You are as bad as Dadlani with your facade of "knowing".

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:44 AM
Lisa, you do not have "decades of experience" with Sai Baba, so nobody cares about any other "miraculous phenomena" that you may or may not have experienced. Specifically, nobody is interested in your claims of regular visitations by disembodied spirits such as various assorted angels and Jesus Christ, etc.

Fact remains that you cannot argue that Sai Baba is not cheating when he has been exposed all over the place. Anyone can see the clips for themselves and use their own brains to make their decisions. The only thing you can glark about is Gurubusters, which is a bad-quality movie in the first place. This argument cannot be applied to ultra-clear movies such as 'Aura of Divinity', 'God Lives In India' as well as my own live footage darshan movie. Tough luck, Sai Baba will be swept away and there's nothing anyone can do about it. So stop glarking.

As if the BBC footage of the faked 2004 Lingodbhavam is not enough to convince these brainwashed puppets lol. Just wait until I get my own movie clips up on Exbaba.Com, then we'll see. :-)

Just for laughs maybe I'll even get them tp upload the part where the camera zooms right on my face while Sai Baba is standing in front of me for about a minute, holding my hand, blessing my picture and blessing me on the head, lol. :-)

Beastmaster, I was very impressed with your recent post about a "Times of India" challenge. I think that is a perfect challenege for Sai Baba to attempt. Why not put that post here so that everyone can see it? I was very impressed with that, you come up with such good ideas. :-)

Edited by author 09-27-2006 02:49 AM
First of all, the alleged miracles attributed to Sathya Sai Baba far exceed the materializations of vibuthi from pictures. Not only does vibuthi manifest from pictures, so do amrit, kum-kum, tumeric, ghee, butter, flowers and fragrances. There are even reports of vibuthi footprints, handprints, statues, crystals, gems, sugar candy, coins, hand-written letters, etc.

If you live in the USA, check out the Colusa Shrine In South San Franciso for numerous manifestations, even a dhuni fire and butter from a Radha-Krishna deity.

If you live in Bali, check out the Monang Maning Temple.

If you live in India, check out the Sri Ragnapatnam Orphanage.

If you live in London, check out the Rajiv Adatia Home Shrine where vibuthi even allegedly comes out of the entire wall.

Also JK manifestations: 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06

Even media articles: 01 - 02 - 03

To date, not even one single critic, skeptic or rationalist has exposed any of these places as frauds. Some of these manifestations have been happening for decades (such as Sri Ragnapatnam and Colusa Shrine) and although critics, skeptics and rationalists have had every opportunity to expose these places as frauds, they have not done so. One can only wonder why.

Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 09-27-2006 06:16 AM
i don't think your photographs can neither prove nor disapprove,whether they were real miracles or not.I can say that i have not seen thins happening in front of me.Whereas Baba's materialisations are recorded in videos and the anti babas are not doing anything to change that. I have not seen a video of vibuthi falling from a photo.so i say it is not proof.it might be miracle or maynot be and there is no proof for either of these.But video evidences on baba's creations seem very authentic.

Edited by author 09-27-2006 05:56 PM
Bildexter, some time ago on Channel 4 (UK), there was a programme about some journalistic researcher "checking out" Indian gurus, including Sathya Sai Baba. He even visited various "miracle houses" in the UK where vibhuti allegedly comes out of pictures, etc, and even purchased a picture in the hope that vibhuti would come out of it (thus authenticating SSB's miracles). It didn't. Furthermore, the journalist figured out exactly how the manifestation was happening in the home of a devotee and even confronted that devotee about it, to which the devotee meekly responded, "You have your opinion and I have my opinion." LOL.

I could kick myself for not making a note of the programme title and other details. I'm sure I'll come across it eventually one day. :-)

The vibhuti and amrith miracles have been debunked many times by various people. I recently picked up a load of 37 books and two videos from a high-ranking former devotee, and one of the videos contains a clip from a German TV show where SSB's miracles were exposed as a fraud. Nobody needs to visit houses (or "shrines", lol) to prove them as frauds when anyone with a brain can do it at home. Sai Baba is reported to have said that such "miracles" are not his doings per se but are extensions/projections of the devotees' own devotion. The same phenomenon occurs in the case of other spiritual leaders.

I find it hilarious that advocates and defenders of SSB take great pains to research the Net for examples of miracles, yet themselves forcefully declare that they are not his devotees. :-)

Edited by author 09-27-2006 06:57 PM
Please! Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "SaiBabaExposed") is a pathological liar, with proof. He makes up all sorts of unverifiable stories and tries to pass them off as credible.

Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") even indulged in his pathological lies when he was a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba.

Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") viciously lied about Tony O'Clery, claiming that Tony had sex with his first-hand "informant" and David Bailey and was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation (Reference)! Sanjay similarly lied about Glen Meloy and also lied about meeting Aghori Vimalananda.

Of course, Sanjay adamantly refuses to clarify or discuss these shameless lies, libel and defamation. He even accused me similarly, without proof and without remorse. Who can believe this rascal, fool and prevaricator? Expect more of the same excuses from Sanjay, i.e., that the discussion is supposed to be about Baba, these are ad hominem attacks, etc.

Exposing Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED")

re /m264

Joe108,

I went through some of the links. They have good pictures and are accounts reporting the ash mystery. I will go thruough the rest of them later. I am hoping some the links you gave would have investigative reports which are what I am looking for.

- Beast Master

Didn't take Joe108 to start with the ad-hominem attacks once he ran out of arguments, did it? :-)

And as is typical of this fella, he chooses to spend his time misusing the purpose of this site by abusing other posters. Two can play at that game.

Find out all about Gerald Moreno being oiled by Sathya Sai Baba, his slandering of a variety of former devotees, his own confession to being on the brink of insanity twice, his "convenient" changes from non-devotee to ex-devotee, his flip-flopping on Sai Baba's molesting of little boys, his humiliating defeat on the Guruphiliac blog, his strange fascinations with faecal waste material and anuses, his self-conception as a garden weed covered in animal excrement, his affiliation with ex-porn stars who make sick pornographic scenes of urination and simulated eating of excrement, his disturbing dreams about stalking me at night which unmasks his suppressed homosexuality: Naughty Children: Gerald 'Joe' Moreno.

Welcome to the new exposés: Gerald's homosexuality, intellectual dishonesty, copyright violations, clarifying the copyright violations, lying about the Sai Krishna picture controversy, his psychologically disturbing self-conception of being enveloped in blinding darkness, more proof of his effeminate behaviour on Wikipedia, his confessions to almost going insane twice(!), his hypocritical stance on meat-eating, pathological inability to shut up (!), having his lies about homo-eroticism exposed, his confusion about his gender, and so much more!

And that's not even counting the sexual abuse, murders, lying about concealing his IP, exposed for faking emails to former devotees, having his "FAQ" blown apart (this guy thinks he is SO important that he has an FAQ!), his sound thrashing form the JuST group, and last but NOT least, the COMPLETE EXPOSURE of his shameless paedophile accusations against a respectable former devotee.

Does it end there? Certainly not! There is TONS more that you don't know about this puppet of Sai Baba's that is waiting to be revealed. So don't play these stupid games with me, puppet boy, as I am not even interested in talking to you. If you can't stick to the topic and discuss rationally, then leave.

Re /m267:

>> viciously lied about Tony O'Clery, claiming that Tony had sex with his first-hand "informant" and David Bailey and was banned from the Vancouver Sai Center for sexual molestation (Reference)! Sanjay similarly lied about Glen Meloy and also lied about meeting Aghori Vimalananda. Of course, Sanjay adamantly refuses to clarify or discuss these shameless lies, libel and defamation. He even accused me similarly, without proof and without remorse. <<


Just for the record, I have discussed the Tony O'Clery "lie" on other forums in public, in full view of O'Clery who agreed with my viewpoint and also accepts that I never lied about it. Furthermore, Gerald Moreno has never asked me to clarify the issue about Glen Meloy either, despite the fact that there is a perfectly rational explanation that was known to Meloy and fully accepted by him when he was still alive.

If Gerald aka Joe108 hasn't bothered to do his research properly then that's not my problem. I have all along claimed that Gerald's research is incredibly poor and sloppy with scant proof to support his asinine accusations, and this just proves it. He didn't even know that the Tony O'Clery issue has been discussed and clarified in public at least twice, while he was supposedly a witness to the discussion. This means that he is either very stupid or is deliberately lying himself. Oh the irony! :-)

And yes, this is a discussion forum about Sai Baba and nothing else. Trust Puppet Moreno to make the first move and take the discussion completely off-track when we were all having a perfectly reasonable and rational discussion about Sai Baba's fake materialisations caught on movies. Especially when I wasn't even talking to him and do not consider him to be a qualified participant in this discussion on account of his affirmed non-devotee status while rabidly defending Sai Baba exactly like a devotee, claiming to be "impartial".

BeastMaster, I am not sure if there are any official investigative reports, like the ones you are looking for. What is strange, however, is that not even one single skeptic or critic has ever attempted to expose any of these places (where manifestations occur) as fraudulent. That is revealing in itself. Secondly, vibuthi is not the only substance that allegedly manifests from pictures. There are numerous other substances as well.

Erlendur Haraldsson (in his book "Miracles are my visiting cards - An investigative inquiry on Sathya Sai Baba, an Indian mystic with the gift of foresight believed to perform modern miracles") did investigate Sathya Sai Baba's miracles (relating to his physical form). Haraldsson interviewed many people, including ex-devotees, and all of them (ex-devotee and devotee alike) attested to what they felt was genuine and unexplainable paranormal phenomena in relation to Sathya Sai Baba. All, without exception.

Edited by author 10-25-2006 01:14 AM
Exposing "Sai Baba EXPOSED", aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (Updated As Needed):

SANJAY DADLANI'S PERVERSITY:
- SuicideGirls.com & The Gothic Vaishnava
- Another Example Of Sanjay's Perversity
- Sanjay's Views On Teen Porn & Child Pornography
- Sanjay & Gomorrah: Dadlani's Jesus Sex Fetish
- Requests For Jesus, Biblical & Disney Pornography
- What Kishore Dadlani Really Thinks Of Women
- Sanjay Kishore Dadlani's StreetBitches Blog
- More Proof Sanjay Created The StreetBitches Blog

SANJAY DADLANI'S PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS:
- Sanjay Rejoiced When Sai Baba Temples Bombed
- Bitter And Poison
- Psychologically Unstable Hip Hop Boy
- Sanjay: Multiple Personalities?
- Sanjay Dadlani's Serious Drinking Problems
- Proof Sanjay Dadlani Is Mentally Disturbed
- Bad Pudgy Finger Day

SANJAY THE PSYCHOPATH:
- Psychopathy, Psychopaths & Psychopathic Behavior

SANJAY DADLANI'S HARE KRISHNA TIES:
- The Hare Krishna Wannabee
- Sanjay Defending Sathya Sai Baba
- Lord Krishna's Inability To Protect His Devotees?
- Sathya Sai Baba, Lord Krishna & Terrorism
- Yajna For All Humanity
- Another Guru Or Fake Pic?
- The Cow Hating Leather Fetishist

SANJAY DADLANI'S CHARACTER PROBLEMS:
- Sanjay's Holy War
- Sanjay's Purchase Of Drugs And Racist Comments

SANJAY DADLANI'S SATANIC INCLINATIONS:
- The Angel Of Death: Azra`iL
- Sanjay, 666, Incest, Satan, & Alleged Christian Sciptures
- Sanjay's Satanic Inclinations
- Sanjay And The Satanic Bible

SANJAY DADLANI'S PATHOLOGICAL LIES:
- Sanjay's Yahoo Photo Album Lies
- More Lies: Trying to Keep Up
- Did Dr. Naresh Bhatia Molest Females?
- Arnold Schulman And The Alleged "Serpentine Lie"
- The Aghori Vimalananda Lie
- Kishore Dadlani - Vicious Slanderer Extraordinaire
- Pious Pretenses
- Sanjay's Pseudo-Devotee Status
- The Meat Eating Vegetarian
- Is Tony O'Clery Bisexual/Homosexual And A Molestor?
- Was Glen Meloy A "Disturbed Person"?
- Stunning Tony O'Clery & Glen Meloy Update

AMUSING STUFF ABOUT SANJAY KISHORE DADLANI:
- Maybe This Will Help
- Dadlani likes merged images. Me too
- Studmuffin Sanjay
- Practical Tips For Sanjay
- Dying But Still Not Dead
- A Seminal Discussion On Ojas, Urdhvaretas And Kishore Dadlani
- Sanjay's Love Life Trumps London Attacks
- Swaaaami!!! La la la la laaaaa!!
- Sanjay Begs For Sathya Sai Baba

SANJAY DADLANI'S HOMOEROCTISM AND GENDER CONFUSION:
- Sanjay's Homoeroticism: A Closer Look
- Sanjay's Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion
- Move Over He-Man - Here Comes He-Krsna!
- Pink Blog Theme
- Dream About Sanjay
- "Effeminancy" On Wikipedia?

SANJAY'S SAI BABA SHIRDI LIES EXPOSED:
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 1
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 2
- Shirdi Sai Baba Imbroglio: Part 3

DEFAMATORY ATTACKS ADDRESSED:
- Gerald 'Joe' Moreno: A Response
- Newest Defamation Campaign

SANJAY DADLANI & ROBERT PRIDDY:
- Robert Priddy Bashes Sanjays Guru And Beliefs
- Robert Priddy: The Pseudo-Moralist
- Blog Exposing Robert Priddy

MISCELLANEOUS:
- Fake Miracle Pictures Of Sathya Sai Baba
- Sanjay Dadlani Criminal & Drunk At Large
- Occurrences of the number 108 - 1008
- Tapati And Her Sanjay-Repercussions
- International Sai Tribune Blog
- Feng Shui Buddha Mandalas
- Sanjay Dadlani and Brian Steel's Flip-Flopping
- Alaya Rahm's Failed Lawsuit
- SaiBabaExposed Blog Failing Fast
- saibabaexposed Not Number One
- Sai Baba's Internet Ban UN-CONFIRMED!
- Sanjay's Mind Of A Prostitute

blldexter (/m265) is "usedbybaba" / "abusedfor15years". More fake names from the fully exposed potty mouth and pervert: /m242 & /m247