Edited by author 09-25-2006 11:45 AM
Re /m248:

Exactly. Anyone can try this out for himself and see how easy it is to replicate Sai Baba's "miracles". For example. Exbaba.Com contains several clips from the 'SEDUCED' movie where the reporter/interviewer shows the camera exactly how vibhuti pellets can be concealed between fingers, pretend to "materialise" them, squish the pellets ito ground ash and give it to the "lucky" recipient.

I see that Lisa De Witt is Still touting Rod Serling's movie as an example of investigated miracles. Ha ha ha ha ha. This movie is from the 1970s and is a devotional movie, so it's not like it's without bias! :-) Try looking at recent movies which do not close up too much on Sai Baba's ugly mug and show his hands instead, then we can see exactly what he is up to.

Speaking of which, my very recent meeting with a high-ranking former devotee enabled me to acquire a copy of the very famous 'Aura of Divinity' movie (Parts 1 and 2) filmed and presented by the famous devotee duo Richard and Janet Bock. The film was released around 1980 and is very well known. I actually had my own copy of this movie from my devotee days but I seem to have misplaced it so it was good to get it again.

This is a devotional movie, and just by briefly watching it I already spotted three instances of Sai Baba cheating with vibhuti materialisations! This, from a movie by Richard Bock of all people! The first and third ones are unclear or out of camera range, but the second instance is a full and clear-cut observation of cheating. So tough luck, nobody can question a staple devotee movie that has been around since at least 1980 and filmed by FAMOUS devotees. Janet Bock is now known as Janet Bicker.

The anti-Sais have ZERO proof that the videos show Sai Baba cheating. I have looked at those videos on a 19in tv and do not see the alleged fraud they are claiming. We have already covered how Erlendur Haraldsson has already had experts examine the Doordarshan video the anti-Sais claim show cheating and the UNBIASED experts say it shows NO proof of fraud. Yet, the anti-Sais continue to lie and claim they see fraud when there is NO such proof. These are the paranoid clowns who cry brainwashing at every turn yet are attempting to brainwash everyone with their idiocy. If they actually had PROOF they could easily take it to court and file a claim. The anti-Sai pathological liars think everyone is as dumb and as gullible as they are.

Sanjay Dadlani obviously has NOT seen the Man of Miracles video nor does he know anything about it. And so typical of his know-it-all attitude to claim to be the great expert regarding that which he knows nothing about. It was NOT a "devotional" video. It was one of SEVERAL investigative documentary videos in a MYSTERY SERIES and shows VERY good footage of the BOTH the Shivarathri vibhuti and amrit miracles. Rod Serling was an award-winning journalist who investigated VERY carefully anything that he wrote or filmed about. Dadlani, another armchair critic, wasn't even alive then as he was not born until the late seventies and has a history of blatantly lying about his past experiences with the aghori Vimalananda, etc so anything he claims must be taken with a grain of salt unless documented in some concrete manner.

It has also been a consistent pattern of the anti-Sais to smear dead people because they obviously think dead people are easy targets.


It is typical of Dadlani to make true believer-like statements and judgements regarding things he knows absolutely NOTHING about. Apparently, Dadlani also thinks he is a mind-reader as he is always claiming to know what others are thinking but he is wrong most, if not all of the time. Why just yesterday he was claiming I had made a psychic prediction when I had done nothing of the sort.
In short, Dadlani is a fabricator who lives to fabricate stories.

Very good, now how about actually addressing my points? :-)

Rod Serling or no Rod Serling, there are plenty of miracle videos abounding in the Sai Organisation, the most famous of which were filmed by the late Richard Bock and his wife Janet (now Janet Bicker). Where did I make fun of dead people?

Fact remains, I recently acquired a copy of Bock's arguably most famous movie (Aura of Divinity) and there are at least three suspicious incidents involving sleight-of-hand materialisations of vibhuti. The first and third are out of camera range, whereas the second is performed in full view of the camera. In a devotional movie too, so tough luck. Bock presented his movie as an "investigation" too, so I'm not interested in technical definitions of devotional movies. Ditto for Rod Serling, his movie was positive (biased).

Nobody cares what Lisa De Witt thinks. The movie clips are freeely available on the Net for anyone to see and judge with their own brains whether there is suspicious dealings or not. And by te way, Erlendur Haralddson did not comment on any of the movies except for the famed 'Gurubusters' clip, which incidentally was the first clip that brought Sai Baba's fraudulent miracles to light. :-)

The tide is turning. Sai Baba and his lies will be washed away. :-)

Oh yes, let's not forget my own movie. I bought a "live darshan" video from the Ashram's own video shop in 1997, a three-hour video filled with "live darshan" footage. Incidentally this is the video that documents the occasion where Sai Baba blessed my picture, stood right in front of me for about 2 minutes, held my hand and blessed me on the head, so I am in it. :-)

Trouble is, there are two occasions in that video (that I've discovered so far anyway) where Sai Baba is caught cheating on "materialising" vibhuti. In the first instance, his arms are out of camera range due to excessive zooming on his ugly face, whereas in the second instance the whole thing is laid out for the viewer to see. :-)

You can bet your ass that Exbaba.Com will get those two clips at the earliest opportunity, and more if I can find any. :-) This is an ashram video that was sold just 1 or 2 days after it was made and which I purchased form the ashram's own video shop. 3 hours of unedited darshan footage, so no claims of editing or whatever. Tough luck. Sai Baba will be washed away. :-)

Despite all these rampant claims that Sathya Sai Baba has been caught "faking" materializations on video, no one has even attempted to have these alleged incidents of fraud verified by any reputable company specializing in fraud. Having a reputable company document incidents of fraud would greatly advance the Anti-Sai agenda. Needless to say, despite claiming there is proof that Sathya Sai Baba is faking materializations, no one has done anything about it!

This reminds me of the numerous claims (even made in Indian newspapers and on the Gurubusters Film) that Sathya Sai Baba clearly faked a necklace materialization caught on film. Despite the alleged clarity of the fraud, Anti-Sai Activists could not agree what actually transpired. Some argued that Baba took the necklace from under the award and others claimed that a devotee gave Baba the necklace in his hand.

Erlendur Haraldsson (in his book "Miracles are my visiting cards - An investigative inquiry on Sathya Sai Baba, an Indian mystic with the gift of foresight believed to perform modern miracles") stated that he and his associates carried out a careful analysis of the video shown in Guru Busters film (that Anti-Sai Activist love to boast "proves" that Baba fakes materializations). Haraldsson stated the following about the video:

"The quality and resolution of the tape leaves much to be desired and limits the inferences that can be drawn from it. Dr. Wiseman took the videotape to a company which specialises in investigating corporate fraud. This company posesses some of the world's best equipment designed to enhance poor quality videotape. The technician kindly offered to enhance the videotape in question. The videotape was run thorugh a real time Snell & Wilcox Kudos Noise Reducer. The machine carries out three operations. First, it removes via recursive filters the random noise on the tape caused by repeated copying. Second, it imporves the graininess of the video by median filters and finally enhances any edges on the the video through edge enhancement filters. After all this the video is certainly easier to watch, and did not contain much of the random noise present on the copy provided by the Deccan Chronicle. However, the resulting tape still did not reveal further information about the incident. In short, the reason for Sai Baba's hand movements still appears unclear and is open for various interpretations, but the tape contained no firm evidence of fraud. The company also analysed several still frames taken from the video. These were scanned into a computer and run through an Improve image processing system (developed by the Home Office in Britain). Again, the images were enhanced via median filters and certain areas of the frames were enlarged. The resulting photographs show the crucial moment as Sai Baba's hands touch under the memento, but do not reveal any further information."

Therefore, despite the rants and ravings by Anti-Sai Activists, they simply cannot argue with the results of the analysis. The allegation of fraud is completely unsubstantiated and no one has even attempted to get these alleged "fake materializations" documented by any reputable company specializing in fraud. Period. End of discussion.

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just new. was told by a friend about this

i did watch the videos in exbaba and to me baba is taking something from his left hand every time before creating vibutti.that is what i see and i have never been a devotee.I would call him guilty but that does not mean any one has to agree with me.
And for the linga,in atleast one film he is pushing it into his mouth.Why should he use a towel at all?

Hi Bildexter, exactly. Devotees will claim that he is wiping away the drool/sweat from his mouth as he always does, which then leads us to question why he is drooling/sweating in the first place? Furthermore, it is widely believed that Sai Baba had decided to start performing this "miracle" in public from 1999 onwards in a specific bid to revive his image as a powerful guru and to combat the proliferation of sexual abuse allegations, which started coming out around 1999. Bear in mind that he had been perfoming this linga trick since around 1958 or so, and stopped doing it in 1979 ostensibly because of the rowdy crowds. Twenty years later he "conveniently" starts it up again to revive his flagging fame.

By the way, would you like to consider the story of the 2004 Lingodbhava? Even though the video clip of that event (released on the Internet via devotional websites) was very poor, I immediately knew that this was a fraud due to the large bulge in the handkerchief in Sai Baba's hands. Sai Baba clearly popped it into his mouth and pretended to vomit it out. This was confirmed by the crystal-clear BBC video footage who were incidentally there at the time filming the event. They had a glorious side-view of the event which clearly showed no lingam coming out of Sai Baba's mouth. The only thing that came out of Sai Baba's mouth was regurgitated water. He collapsed shortly afterwards in full public view, was escorted into his room and came out later to tell everyone that he had again vomited a lingam that weighed three tons!

How any reasonable, rational and sensible person with an active brain could believe any of that pap is beyond me.

We don't need an independent agency to confirm something that everyone can see with their own eyes, duh. Not least the fact that Sai Baba is carelessly caught cheating in devotional movies produced by Richard Bock, live darshan videos like my own, as well as the famous 'God Lives In India' video that was pulled from the ashram shelves soon after the trick was discovered. More like 'Cheats Live In India'.

People like Erlendur Haraldsson would rather spend a lot of time trying to eliminate noise from movies, lol.

The post /m249 did not address the main point of my post /m248 , the enquiry part of the ash falling off picture frames.

It simply states Mick Brown's reporting of his meeting with another person. Mick Brown did not conduct an investigation. He did not confirm positively what makes the ash appear. He simply believes it is not a hoax.

What I asked for was an investigation experience but not some one's belief.

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:20 AM
Why do you bozos always lie about people addressing your points?

Beast Master, as far as I know you have NEVER been to see Sai Baba or any of the phenomena so you are a hypocrite babbling about things you have no experience of. Like I said, YOU are a condescending anonymous armchair critic who, like most of the anti-Sais, has absolutely nothing better to do than play mind games on the internet. To people like me who have DECADES of experience with miraculous phenomena and have researched it VERY carefully, you are just another arrogant ignoramous going nowhere fast. I'm not going to waste my time playing your games Beast Master. Miraculous phenomena can usually not be "proven". Usually only it's EFFECTS can be documented. That's why it is called MIRACULOUS! The fact that you goofballs think you can "prove" something when you were not even there is just idiotic. Please get a life and quit wasting my time with your illogical, childish and phony tripe. You are as bad as Dadlani with your facade of "knowing".

Edited by author 09-27-2006 01:44 AM
Lisa, you do not have "decades of experience" with Sai Baba, so nobody cares about any other "miraculous phenomena" that you may or may not have experienced. Specifically, nobody is interested in your claims of regular visitations by disembodied spirits such as various assorted angels and Jesus Christ, etc.

Fact remains that you cannot argue that Sai Baba is not cheating when he has been exposed all over the place. Anyone can see the clips for themselves and use their own brains to make their decisions. The only thing you can glark about is Gurubusters, which is a bad-quality movie in the first place. This argument cannot be applied to ultra-clear movies such as 'Aura of Divinity', 'God Lives In India' as well as my own live footage darshan movie. Tough luck, Sai Baba will be swept away and there's nothing anyone can do about it. So stop glarking.

As if the BBC footage of the faked 2004 Lingodbhavam is not enough to convince these brainwashed puppets lol. Just wait until I get my own movie clips up on Exbaba.Com, then we'll see. :-)

Just for laughs maybe I'll even get them tp upload the part where the camera zooms right on my face while Sai Baba is standing in front of me for about a minute, holding my hand, blessing my picture and blessing me on the head, lol. :-)

Beastmaster, I was very impressed with your recent post about a "Times of India" challenge. I think that is a perfect challenege for Sai Baba to attempt. Why not put that post here so that everyone can see it? I was very impressed with that, you come up with such good ideas. :-)

Edited by author 09-27-2006 02:49 AM
First of all, the alleged miracles attributed to Sathya Sai Baba far exceed the materializations of vibuthi from pictures. Not only does vibuthi manifest from pictures, so do amrit, kum-kum, tumeric, ghee, butter, flowers and fragrances. There are even reports of vibuthi footprints, handprints, statues, crystals, gems, sugar candy, coins, hand-written letters, etc.

If you live in the USA, check out the Colusa Shrine In South San Franciso for numerous manifestations, even a dhuni fire and butter from a Radha-Krishna deity.

If you live in Bali, check out the Monang Maning Temple.

If you live in India, check out the Sri Ragnapatnam Orphanage.

If you live in London, check out the Rajiv Adatia Home Shrine where vibuthi even allegedly comes out of the entire wall.

Also JK manifestations: 01 - 02 - 03 - 04 - 05 - 06

Even media articles: 01 - 02 - 03

To date, not even one single critic, skeptic or rationalist has exposed any of these places as frauds. Some of these manifestations have been happening for decades (such as Sri Ragnapatnam and Colusa Shrine) and although critics, skeptics and rationalists have had every opportunity to expose these places as frauds, they have not done so. One can only wonder why.

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Edited by author 09-27-2006 06:16 AM
i don't think your photographs can neither prove nor disapprove,whether they were real miracles or not.I can say that i have not seen thins happening in front of me.Whereas Baba's materialisations are recorded in videos and the anti babas are not doing anything to change that. I have not seen a video of vibuthi falling from a photo.so i say it is not proof.it might be miracle or maynot be and there is no proof for either of these.But video evidences on baba's creations seem very authentic.