Truth seeker 2281
02-21-2007 09:12 AM ET (US)
 
you can wake someone who is sleeping but not those who pretend to be sleeping
Truth seeker 2280
02-21-2007 09:09 AM ET (US)
 
Edited by author 02-21-2007 09:10 AM
CO2000:Like I've said before, criminal accusations must be addressed in COURT.
Rationalist international.net :"In December 2005, I have written a letter to President Dr. Abdul Kalam, which was never answered. It demanded criminal investigations against Sai Baba. "If Sai Baba's social development projects are meant to be indulgence to nullify his crimes, this procedure is unprecedented and unacceptable", I wrote. "It is a shame for India that well-founded accusations and numerous reputed witnesses against Sai Baba are ignored without any investigation. Do saffron clothes make an offender untouchable for the law? Do we have to tolerate that political protectionism raises its head so boldly, mocking India's democracy?" I asked in my letter.
Truth seeker 2279
02-21-2007 09:05 AM ET (US)
 
FRom rationalist international.net -The aging godman stands accused of sexual abuse of minors among his devotees. Numerous cases of victims from India and abroad have come to light. Though Indian authorities seem still far away from opening a trial against the well-connected offender, too many victims and witnesses - mainly from Europe and USA - have broken their silence to further ignore his crimes. Some of their statements are recorded in articles that appeared in the London based The Daily Telegraph and in the film documentary "Seduced by Sai Baba", produced by the Danish State Television. In 2000, UNESCO washed its hands off Sai Baba by deciding neither to sponsor nor take part in a conference it had been planning to organize along with the Institute of Sathya Sai Education (ISSE, Thailand) and The Flinders University Institute of International Education (Australia), in Puttaparthi, India.

Oh too funny. It appears that the ever-deceptive Sanjay Dadlani is attempting to get involved in the discussion incognito because he doesn't want others to know his extra-Wikipedia Anti-Sai defamation campaigns. lol

Time for an update:

• Sanjay Dadlani Exposed: /m272 /m1099
  "Sai Baba EXPOSED" Exposed




• "Usedbybaba" Exposed




• Barbara Dent Exposed




• Anthony "Tony" O'Clery Exposed




• Barry Pittard Exposed



• Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba: SaiSathyaSai.com"

Sairam, I would like to inform my devotees that I did not bring out the lingam this year because many devotees and doctors appealed to me not to do it. The real reason is because I am close to death and I am too weak to do these childish things. Remember the lingams I've given in the past (especially to my favorite young boyz) and meditate on my wondrous leelas. With love, Baba.

TRUTH IS CHANGELESS

Every where truth pervades. Truth is propelling all over. Truth has no form and is every where. What ever you see is truth. (Swami now raises His hand, We all thought he is going to mention some thing about the bulbs but surprising all materializes a small golden object, to me it looked like a Lingam of the size of a peanut, He didn’t move His hands much, He got it from the thin air, as if He was plucking a fruit from a tree) it had a bright shine.. Swami continues This is Truth…where from this came and it will go back to truth again. (so saying He disappeared the object in the thin air) Sathyam is multidimensional. Truth is one but none can realize this. truth is not merely verbal. Truth can manifest in various forms. Brahma is one. God is only truth and all others are just reflections of divine. This truth has many names. Every thing has to emerge from truth. Dharma is originated from truth. There is no other Dharma beyond truth. When Sathya Dharma go together you get peace. Out of peace, you find love emanating. It binds every body. There is no place without love. Out of Love you have ananda (bliss). There is no hatred after you have love. If you want non-violence you should just have love. Mamai vamso jeevaloke jeeva bhootah sanatanaha we all are sparks of God. You are not separate. You are al MY reflections. Body and names may vary.. there is only one Atma in all. Body has got its own name.. why? For recognition. This is only for identification. Atma is same in all..

Time draws near for the demise of the great murderous pervatar fraud.
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ex_baba/engels/shor...ainvestigation.html

Edited by author 02-21-2007 12:13 PM
Tony
I have seen baba and his thing. It is normal but rises to a rare occasion.
All this disappearing thing is nothing but a trick.I guarantee you that he is
is an expert at this. Years of experience makes him judge people very very quickly. He once told a visiting professor that his left eye is not good.This Professor came and told me how Baba was omnipresent etc., In reality, this professor was wearing a thick glass on the left and an obviously thinner glass on the right.
One of the students told me about the disappearing cock and he agreed with my explanation and started laughing, realizing how stupid he had been.

sb said.'I WILL VERY SOON GO AROUND THE WORLD. Lots and lots of devotees from (South) Africa and Russia are present here. '

As you can see he has never ever left India since the late 60s and has broken every promise to do so. We are waitng with our legal documents for him to come to the West.

/m2280 /m2275 /m2277 /m2281 /m2282 These are my mails and those on Idi Amin the Baba lover were also mine.

Baba Lovers 1. Idi Amin
            2. Joe
            3. Angel
            4. Lisa
            5. Hitler
            6. Musollini
            7.All Corrupt Indian Politicians,Judges, Police officers
            8.Homosexuals and gays

Edited by author 02-21-2007 11:48 AM
/m2283 to /m2286 Were written by me - Angel

You said that you see dead people and TALK to them. You are the last person to talk other other people's level of intelligence. Go and see a doctor you fucking nutjob.

Truth is changeless but not sb's genitals.
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TRUTH IS CHANGELESS

Every where truth pervades. Truth is propelling all over. Truth has no form and is every where. What ever you see is truth. (Swami now raises His hand, We all thought he is going to mention some thing about the bulbs but surprising all materializes a small golden object, to me it looked like a Lingam of the size of a peanut, He didn’t move His hands much, He got it from the thin air, as if He was plucking a fruit from a tree) it had a bright shine.. Swami continues This is Truth…where from this came and it will go back to truth again. (so saying He disappeared the object in the thin air) Sathyam is multidimensional. Truth is one but none can realize this. truth is not merely verbal. Truth can manifest in various forms. Brahma is one. God is only truth and all others are just reflections of divine. This truth has many names. Every thing has to emerge from truth. Dharma is originated from truth. There is no other Dharma beyond truth. When Sathya Dharma go together you get peace. Out of peace, you find love emanating. It binds every body. There is no place without love. Out of Love you have ananda (bliss). There is no hatred after you have love. If you want non-violence you should just have love. Mamai vamso jeevaloke jeeva bhootah sanatanaha we all are sparks of God. You are not separate. You are al MY reflections. Body and names may vary.. there is only one Atma in all. Body has got its own name.. why? For recognition. This is only for identification. Atma is same in all..


GIVE UP DUALITY

Today Love is categorized as separate entity. Love is ONE and same. Never give any
Scope for differences. Never have any duality. When there no duality you will have peace. Man with dual mind is half blind. You have 2 eyes. Both the eyes see same object. WE ALL ARE O NE. We all the children of same mother. We should acquire that one ness. Then only humanity will be united. Who is Human being. Is he the one with legs and hands. One who has no differences is HUMAN. There should not be any scope for differences. Bodies might be different, Atma is one. Names and forms are different. We should not develop differences with names and forms. We should be united where ever you are. Jewels are many gold is one, colour of cows are different but milk is one, we are born as human beings. How ever there might be some differences physically. Bulbs are many, current is one. There fore all bodies are equal.

PRAYER FROM DEVOTEES

Later Swami announced amidst loud cheers that He is not going to do the Lingodbhavam.
I am very happy to demonstrate the one ness of humanity. I received lakhs of letters from devotees all over the world asking not to perform lingodbhavam. Many doctors said its not good for Your body. For the man to know the truth I need to do that. For the blood to form as solid, one needs lot of energy. For utilization of this energy there should be enough strength. More over Each lingam weigh a lot. Many devotees said Swami it is not good to waste (your) valuable energy for this... those who believe YOU will believe and others are to be ignored. So please don’t strain your body…. Body is very is very important for us. We are here because of your body. We feel pain when YOUR body strains. So please control this energy. God can change earth into heaven and vice versa. So for temporary joy, please don’t strain Your body. This body is 82 years. This body will remain for some more time. Bhagwan will retain this energy to confer joy in the years to come. Very soon, I will make you all very happy (loud applauds). Those who go by body, this body is important.


YOU ARE GOD

Every thing has to merge in truth. Never think that God is far away. He is with in you. Every one should experience this divinity in you. Close your eyes and question, Who am I? What do you see? You don’t see anything. You will hear, who am I? Who am I? Then you will understand you are nobody. This body and name will be changing. Without difficulties you can’t enjoy happiness. Pleasure is an interval between two pains. Where there is difficulty there is happiness. The pain lasts for a short time. in order to have the bliss we have to be prepared to face minor difficulties..


SCIENCE HAS TAKEN A WORST TURN

Students, today science has progressed but has come down to perform unethical practices. Its leading to imbalance. Each country is noticing certain changes. Even cows are fed with meat with a hope that it will yield more milk. But there are many disease for the cow and those that drink the milk. Only a Indian can lead a natural life. We should never be artificial. Every thing will be artificial if we lead a artificial life. Now a days there are so many changes in vegetables. We used to take lots of green leafy vegetables. They are of great nutritional value. Because thy are grown out of drainage water the vegetables are polluted. Brinjal curry(aubergine) is a favourite. Once upon time even Ravana appreciated the (aubergine)brinjal curry, Swami now sang a telugu poem, is there any enemy as mighty as Rama, is there any God as compassionate as Shiva, is there any curry as tasty as (aubergine) Brinjal curry.. (end of the poem) such was the place of Brinjal curry. Today even this Brinjal is polluted. Because of polluted food, our thoughts are polluted.

UPHOLD INDIAN CULTURE

Students you are knowledgeable. Don’t read picchi books. Follow the culture of Bharath. Many foreigners are enjoying the culture of Bharath. They are going to practice our culture and transform very soon. Shall we wait till then?.. NO.. No.. lets go on the right path right now.. God is there to help you. There is no need to fear. During My childhood days, I used to always help the poor. While I was moving around with a small knickers and shirt, they wanted to wear me a Panchi (A full cloth to cover the body). I used to go untouchables.( Swami sang a folk song.) We work day and night sow the crop and you enjoy at our expense. Where is the justice. Do you think God is not present. Give up the delusion. When I was teaching like this I was attacked. Even this body’s brother slapped me. He used say , why do YOU go there, You study. I was locked in the room. All people used to come to the room. They used to call, Raju.. Sathyam. I used to say, I will come to YOU.. I belong to You.. in this way, I was always with the poor, provide food, clothing and make them happy. Even till today, our students go around every street and distribute food and clothing. I used to share my own food if there was any beggar. If there was any one without cloth, I used to give my shirt. Those days to till now.. Help.. help..

FOLLOW SAI TEACHINGS

Many people say but they don’t practice have been supporting you, protecting you, teaching you. I have no trace of JEALOUSY, anger towards any body. BUT few people out of jealousy, do wrong propaganda because of rising glory. Good people face problems. Stones are pelted at the fruit bearing tree.
I don’t care, not I am afraid of any body. The name of the body is Sathyam. Truth never changes. Who ever comes here with anger, I am ready to correct them, rectify them. I will take every care to transform them. Nothing is wrong them. They retort to false propaganda. Its my duty to correct them. There is no trace of mistake in My life. All of you FOLLOW SAI.. Out of this path of truth, when you are determine to achieve YOU ARE BOUND TO BE SUCCESSFUL. Sing the glory of God and spread the truth.. (It was already 45 minutes since Swami was standing and now Swami sits down)


EAST& WEST GODAVRI VISIT NEXT WEEK

(Swami continued His talk saying that He would be visiting the districts of East and West Godavri in Andhra Pradesh state next week and visit many counties in future.)
Have I given you any strain? (There was a big no from the audience… I have no intention to hurt any one. I don’t entertain such thoughts. Whatever I do its FOR YOU. Even the little food I partake its for you...all actions are for the welfare of the humanity Who ever recognize this truth will be successful. Don’t go by any body’s words. Never believe any negative propaganda. The people of districts of East Godavari and West Godavari are drinking polluted water. I have not yet seen them. I felt very sad, watching them drink polluted water. I resolved to clean the water and provide the same to the people of E& W Godavari. From now on they will have pure water. loud applauds). Water is purified and all people are extremely happy. Next WEEK I AM GOING TO EAST GODAVARI DISTRICTS. They are extremely delighted hearing this news. They have cleaned all the roads and are ready to welcome Mr. RAMA Krishna from Larsen & Toubro company and Kondal Rao, chief Engineer will accompany Me.


SWAMI & WORLD TOUR

By doing good, all good things will follow. When you meet your enemy go to him and say friend how are you? Only then our name of institute will go high. We don’t charge even a penny. The students come here and go out with high degrees totally free. When children are good the whole country will advance. There are so many news from America. They say, Swami Your students are great. All this students are having great joy. There was a plane full of our students who recently came to Parthi. Now all are married with children. They felt extremely happy coming here.

I WILL VERY SOON GO AROUND THE WORLD. Lots and lots of devotees from (South) Africa and Russia are present here. You cannot estimate the devotion of Russians. In this gathering many are from Russia. All are very happy now. they have intense devotion loud applauds). I bless you all. You are no longer Russians you belong to ME (loud applauds) I LOVE YOU…

Swami later continued, In fact many devotees from Italy, Germany, and so on are here.. All belong to Swami. We have to learn many things from them. In fact they extended the help for the construction of indoor stadium. They consider Swami as their life. Where ever I go, these foreigners come with Me. They even came to Madras. They don’t care for the expenditure. We should learn a lot from them and their intense devotion.


12 hour long Akhanda Bhajans Started with Lambodara Hey Gowri nandana

the atmosphere whole night was fully charged with scintillating Shiva bhajans. It was just fantastic to see Swami and Sing His glory right in front of Him

17th February, 2007

the morning darshan started at 8:15 am and Swam surprised all of us by coming in the wheel chair right from His residence. It was so bliss full to see the blissful form manifested right in front of the eyes…. Being in the first line, it was a real close darshan to all. It reminded me of Swami with Lingam in 2006. Swami gave a beautiful smile and moved further.

Later Swami called upon Mr. Venkatraman to address the gathering. Mr.Venkatraman spoke about the experiences of the recently concluded Yagna in chennai. On the last day of the Yagna, the police commissioner came to the authorities and said, there was no problem during their duty hours as the devotees were well mannered and the police in turn had a chance to see Swami.

Mr. Venkatraman was of the opinion that the meeting in Chennai people in Nehru Indoor stadium was a perfect example of Unity in diversity. Political leaders of various parties, setting aside their political rivalries participated in the programme with Swami in the middle.

Later Swami rose from His seat to give the Divine discourse,

Swami spoke on Sankara and Shakti. Swami asked to give up ego and attachment. Ego and attachment is a big mistake. Divine power is every where. Always respect one’s own mother and father. Swami gave a nice example here, once Shiva and Parvathi were on a plane. There Parvathi sees one man on a tree. She knows he is going to fall from the tree. She urges Lord Shiva to rescue th man. Lord Shiva, says, I have nothing to do with him. When He falls and if he calls Abba (father) then I will go and rescue and if he calls Amma (mother) then you can rescue.. This man after sometime falls from the tree and instead of saying Abba or Amma says Ayyo (meaning Oops). There fore its always important to think of parents.

Later Swami blessed the prasad consisting of Pulihora (tamarind rice) and laddu. Makeshift lines were formed so that the students would walk freely between lines and serve food. It was such a nice feeling to BREAK- FAST with the food blessed by our beloved Mother Sai. As we all were eating, our beloved Sai Ma was watching all of us, just like a mother watching her kids eat and the happiness of the child fills her stomach, and as Swami has said, MY DEVOTEES HAPPINESS IS MY FOOD.. O Swami!! Koti Pranam, sata Koti Pranams

Bless us all to be Your Darling children…..

Om sairam to my beloved Sai Family,
Greetings from the land of Sai Shiva, the abode of Highest peace,Prasanthi Nilayam. This year’s Maha Shivarathri celebrations were fully CHARGED with divine energy and perennial stream of love of our beloved Sai Ma.

The streets of Puttaparthi were packed, the Kulwanth Hall was obviously packed and double the number of people were waiting out side to get a glimpse of Sai Shiva… our beloved Swami.

16th February 2007

This morning the hall was packed by 3 am and same number of devotees were lined up for afternoon darshan on the hill top. Swami came around 8:15 to bless the gathering with His divine darshan. I was almost at the end of the hall, and during festivals, crowd is just uncontrollable raising from the seats, raising their hands, I hardly had a glimpse of Swami. For the past one week, it was the same for me. Which ever line I choose, that gets last or second last token number. I was wondering as what would have gone wrong. I was very much convinced that its all His play and pain is followed by pleasure.

The morning session completed with distribution of prasad. After receiving the prasad, I went out to see the queue and the area behind Ganesha was full. Not knowing what to do, I was walking by East Prasanthi. There I met one elderly devotee from New Zealand, who was in queue for the bench. While I was talking to him, I saw a huge flood of devotees rushing towards the Kulwanth Hall entry gate. My 70 Kilo body was literally carried away as if the doors of a dam was opened. Before the sevadals could come and control the crowd, I found my self entering the Kulwanth hall. I was in fact 9th person to get in and being a BIG day, the whole first line spots were reserved for VIPs. There were only 15 vacant spots in the first row and being the 9th person, I rushed to get a spot. It was all His play. I had no idea what I was going through. In no time I found myself in a perfect CAMERA MAN kinda spot where I could see the whole proceedings. My heart was crying, I had no words to describe the happiness. Swami, all these days, played with me and now compensated with a first row, and this is NOT an ordinary day.. I was thanking my stars for this boon. There was a big group of Russians sitting next to me. It was only 10:30 am then and we all were inside for the afternoon darshan which would be any time after 3:30.

I knew it was all a patience game.. Just closed my eyes, repeating Lord’s name. It was 3:30pm and there was no trace of Swami yet. Many devotees were standing, some stretching their bodies, some taking a deep breath. The crowd out side was so huge that there was no chance to go out to take a break as there was no guarantee that we will come back to our spots. It was 4pm and the security near Swami’s House get alert signaling the arrival of the Lord of the Lords. Facing us were students and they were very close to the path way and Swami’s car, slowly entered the Kulwanth hall amidst Veda chantings and music. All were eager and excited as what would happen and wondering if the history will repeat again, will He take the Atma Linga again, will we see the intolerable pain Swami’s body undergoes.. Swami’s car now gets towards the gents side. As the students had almost occupied the path, the car had to get close to us.. so close that even the security couldn’t stand next to the car. Swami came towards us, was analyzing Swami’s mood, Swami’s car comes close to us and the beautiful form gets more clearer and clearer. He was all smiling, He was reading our minds.. Was praying from heart, Swami, no more linga, your darshan is the highest gift for us.. As Swami was right in front of us, He looks into my eyes, those looks which are full of compassion, those looks which are soothing, those looks which can scan one’s past, present and future, those looks which will make our hearts dance in joy.. O Swami!! How can I express my gratitude to you, You are a ocean of Compassion..

As Swami was smiling and blessing each and every one the car slowly passes by. as the car enters the students’ zone, many primary school students go to Swami showing the replica’s of various forms of Shiva lingams. Swami closely looked at each and every one.. After the car was halted near the dias, Swami came on the dias. He asks one of the boys, to call upon Mr. Raju, the chairman of Nagarjuna Construction group, who is a long time ardent devotee of Swami, whose leg had to be amputated recently because of a snake bite. Mr. Raju, came in his wheel chair, and sat next to Swami. I remember he was blessed the same day in 2006 to read few of the 17,000 poems which he has personally written in praise of Swami. Mr. Raju read the poems in Swami’s immediate presence. The poems were beautifully written in telugu and the reading went on close to an hour.

Later Swami called upon Mr.Popat, (who always likes to refer himself as Puppet) from UK shared his views about Swami. Being an eloquent speaker he was very impressive wit his characteristic blend of Hindi and English. He was of the opinion that its time for all of us to decide if we want to become good men or great person, a successful man or a perfect devotee of Baba. Its better to have His anugraha (grace) than all name, fame, wealth.

The objective of our sadhana is to realize God. We are fortunate to have God himself in our midst. Swami has come to realize that YOU ARE NOT THE BODY.. you are NO BODY. There is no ownership, doer ship, and knower ship. Its all Him. What is the role to be performed? We are just puppets in His hands. Only His smile is more than any awards or rewards. No one came here on their own. He brought us all. You pray to Him and He will come running to you.

We all are chosen children of our Lord. We have lots of responsibility on our shoulders. How many devotees go back to their places and contemplate and follow His words. Our Swami is Loka Nath. He is omnipresent. He works silently without any publicity.

Mr.Popat continued Your aim is to go forward, upward but INWARD. There are 7 up steps. First wake up, standup, dress up, look up, reach up, lift up and last and Swami likes it a lot, Shut up. Do every thing in the name of God and shut up. What ever you want to convey, convey heart to heart. What does Swami expects us to do. Wake up, with a spirit of God, realize your true identity. Sathya, Dharma, Santhi Prema and Ahimsa. Next stand up, we are not animals, neither are we birds, we are Sai Bhakta, aham brahmasmi, how do we get up. We have to make up our mind, that I will behave like a human being. What ever you want to ask, ask our Sai Ma. That’s our right.

Look up, be positive. Swami says, I am around you, below you be aware that I am aware. Every thought should be divine. Always know that Swami knows every thing. As long as we breath, as long as the food we eat is digested, take it that Swami is with us.

Once we look up Reach up, where ever you go go with conviction. When you see a poor man, you must feel the hunger. You should reach his heart. Poor people smile only when their tears are wiped, with love.
21 st century will not be preaching but reaching.. He is going to reach each and every one.
After you reach up, lift up after seeing Swami, listening His messages, we should lift up the poor and destitutes.

After doing all this shut up. Shouldn’t say anything.100% involvement an 0% attachment.

We have come here for a purpose. Make us to walk on sai path, sathya dharma Santhi Prema and Ahimsa.

Later Mr.Popat, concluded his talk making all of us praise our beloved Swami…

The next programme was what we all were looking forward to. It was also bit tense, what if Swami decides to take Lingam? Can we bear the pain again? As all these thoughts were pondering, Swami orders to get the discourse table to be placed before Him. He slowly raises from His seat, as there was a cheerful applauds from the audience, Swami adjusts the microphone, a broad smile at all the devotees and starts His discourse with a sweet telugu poem..…

Excerpts from the discourse


Sathyambu nandundi sarvambu srushtinche

Sathyambu nanadanage sarva shrusti

Sathya mahima leni stalamedi kanugonna

Shudda satwa midiye choodarayya

Every thing is born from truth and the cosmos will merge in truth. There is no place where Truth is absent.

From CNN IBN
Shri Sai Baba's remarks is to be viewed in the right perspective.
Our Great Thinkers, Reformers, Leaders, Spiritual Gurus were always stated about Humanity and Equality. Even before independence all leaders were unanimous about equality and created secular state. Mahakavi Bharathi has visualised the free india with all people having same mind,rights and responsibilities - that is Nationalism without any discrimination among the people.
However BIG blunder was made when the states were created on liguistic lines. Regional political parties spread hatred among people on liguistic and caste lines. Now literally these linguistic & caste political parties are ruling the country and dividing the society by the name of caste/quota & other means. To get the minority/cast votes, now Govt. of Tamil Nadu has asked for re-writing of new constitution - saying that to protect the interest of opressed people - social justice is needed - hence new constitution required.

If we would have created the states purely based on geaographical method, lots and lots of problems would not have created like river disputes, border disputes and race disputes, etc.
My dream solution is that borders should be made with straight line as in the case in US and Australia. By doing so States should be reorganised and all regional languages should be made official languages.
If we create straight line above Madurai, there is no Mulla Periaya issue and Tamil, Mayalalee issue and there is two capitals one in Thiruvananthapuram and another in Madurai like in Kashmir, Maharashtra. Govt. and Private employees can be transferred to other areas so that they will know extra languages and Nationalism will grow.
If we draw another line abvoe Chennai. There will be no Kaveri problem, Chennai and Bangalore would be state capitals. Above Chennai we can draw vertical lines also as per area / population. In Pondicherry, Tamil, English, French, Telugu, Malayalam are official languages. Think Pleas
( Posted: Tuesday , January 23, 2007 at 21:48 )