Abusedfor15years, I would be grateful to hear your account of why Sai Baba changed his residence after the events of 6th June 1993 (murder). I have some theories of my own but I would like to hear another viewpoint, so if you could kindly explain that for me thank you.

I also find it interesting how you mention Seshama Raju (Sai Baba's elder brother) did not talk to him. Would you mind giving details about that too?

Some years ago I came across a testimony from a person (now a spiritual guru in his own right) who met Sai Baba in his youth (the guy, not SB) and even spoke to Seshama Raju. According to him, Seshama believed that what his younger brother was doing was wrong. :-)

Edited by author 09-09-2006 07:54 PM
I forgot to respond to some other points brought up by Joe108 (Moreno) about the birthdate controversy (/m219):

>> There is only one way to get a certified date of birth for Sathya Sai Baba: obtain his passport. But even then people will not accept it. The doubters will continue to doubt. The debaters will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam. <<

I'm afraid that Gerald is in error yet again. A passport does not prove a birthdate as authentic. One of my own family members is officially older than they actually are, and their "official" birthdate is hugely different from their real one. We often joke that this relative is like the Queen of England, having a "real" birthday and an "official" birthday. The fact remains that passports are not verification of an authentic birthdate.

Gerald forgets that his fraud master lives in a third-world country, where anything can be gained for the right price. What do you think Sai Baba's passport might say? 23.11.26 of course, and Sai Baba would probably not even have to buy that date as his own since nobody would even bother to question it now. The only documented evidence for Sai Baba's birthdate are the three school records and all of them are unanimous on 4.10.29 being the correct date, one even spelling it out for people who may be thick. I'll be taking questions now. :-)


>> You are looking for a debate. I am interested in verifiable facts. Supply them for me and then we will talk. Otherwise, I will not respond to what I see as rumors, gossip and untruths. If someone made criminal allegations against you on the internet, there is little doubt that you would demand dates, names and verifiable first-hand information to defend yourself. Since you (and others like you) are making criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba, the burden of proof is on you. Supply it or you will get more silence from me. <<

Gerald's sense of arrogance, narcissism, conceit and grandiosity knows no bounds! We might have to repeatedly remind him that he is not authorised to defend Sai Baba by any Sai organisation authority least of all Sai Baba himself (his own statement). He claims that he is not a devotee and therefore has no investment in Sai Baba's long-term status. He is just a weird person with lots of time on his hands and nothing else to do, that's why he has taken all of this on his drooping shoulders in a desperate bid to seek attention. And to top it all off, he himself was "oiled" by Sai Baba. So go figure.

And suggesting/asserting that Sathya Sai Baba was born in a different date is not a criminal allegation. He cannot even answer any of the points (/m220) because he doesn't know anything. Perhaps we don't even care if Gerald chooses to remain silent, because that is how things should be. :-)

Edited by author 09-09-2006 07:35 PM
Re /m219:

Since Gerald 'Joe' Moreno (Joe108) has mentioned me in his post, I will reply to the point. After that, we will see who is silent, or who responds by posting slanderous and defamatory (irrelevant) material against opponents. :-)

>> The school records are wholly inaccurate. Neither you or "Sai Baba Exposed" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) responded to the issue of exact birthdates shared by 10 out of the 12 individuals listed in the school records. <<

Probably because Gerald did not ask for comment. :-) If Gerald seeks comment on this point then he must specifically ask for it. He cannot just post a link to his webpage and expect us to read it. Some of us don't bother reading his website and/or his rabid defences of Sathya Sai Baba. :-)

Now that he has brought up this point, we can address it. The scanned record shows four individuals sharing the same birthdate of 1.7.34 and three sharing the date of 1.7.35. other individuals with differing birth years share the same birthdate of 1st July. Gerald takes issue with this and, on the sole basis of this assumption of impracticality, asserts that Sathyanaran Raju's birthdate of 4.10.29 is inaccurate. It is clear that some backwoods school administrative clerk was too lazy to fill in the correct birthdates of the children and just gave them all the same birthdate with a few changes of year. Either that, or these questionable dates come directly from the villagers who just randomly selected a birth year to get their children in the school. Backward villagers in backwoods villages are not fussy about dates, fair enough. :-)
However, the same logic does not apply to Sathyanarayan Raju (Sathya Sai Baba). His birthdate is way off from any of the others, making him the second oldest child in that classs even if the classmates' birthdates are faked.

Gerald queerly complains that his points have not been addressed, but he has not responded to the assertion that no less than three school records for Sathya Sai Baba contain the same birthdate of 4.10.29! Gerald's problem is that his whole argument rests on the school record of the Bukkapatnam school, when we have school records for two other schools that the young Sathya Sai Baba attended. Guess what? They also confirm 4.10.29 as his date of birth. :-)
As a matter of fact, in one of those records Raju's birthdate was mistakenly listed as 4.10.39, and the record itself contains a noted correction to 4.10.29. So Gerald's argument completely collapses. :-)

Gerald simply does not know any of these things. His words are a mere puff of smoke. He does not have access to the other two pieces of evidence that confirm that 4.10.29 is the birthdate, which again collapses his other argument about "not being particular with dates". One piece of evidence even has the date spelled out: "fourth october, nineteen twenty-nine". :-) Even when a mistake (1939) was obviously made, someone sure took pains to correct it. :-)

If he wants evidence of all this then he will just have to wait. We have bigger projects on our minds right now. :-) In the meantime, he can contemplate the glaring holes in his fallacious arguments and ruminate upon them, thinking up some more novel ways to defend his fraud master.

People who have financial interests in the Baba kingdom continuing will never
agree to what we victims say.that is the reason thst old student victims don't open their mouth.Bab has grown too big and is supported by lots of politicians.One more news: Baba always used to tell us to vote for congress then I don't know what he is doing now after the death of his brother the congress man

great
If i tell u that i was there during this malee and if my close friend tells me what happened should i believe my own experience or yours. Hey it is not one day that i lived in this place. more than a deacade.I do not want to tell
details lest i reveal my identity.i have actually recognised people by the incidents that htey mention in this site and i don't want to do the same .
As far as the birthday celebrationis concerned why shoud ther be contradictions in an Avatar's birth date. so many confusions.How many times have you been to parthi..You don't seem to have been there often.
I know nearly 99% of the student victims mentioned in exbaba.com
I have personally experienced all these nonsense. By the way u did not answer my "materilisations" charge. is it too obvious that it is cheating.
anyone who wants to know the truth has to see these videos.
Attcking sanjay dalani will not solve my disbelief. i have neve seen him.
and his arguments will never help me,for i have lived there and i know how even todayu boy are suffering there. They are for eg., turned into homosexuals and they inturn destroy the smaller boys. Sick place.now the school teachers look at every single boy with this in mind wating for a homosexual to appear in every single person. My GOD Sick to the core.I really pity those students who are victimised. Look at how the past students charge Diwakar muthukrishna of molesting them.Poor guy he was first a victim of BABa and he did not know how to take it out.How could he have told his mother about these things and how to decide whether what he was doing was wrong or not. I really feel from my heart for all these guys who were completely destroyed Pshycologically. i remember reading a mail in ex.baba of a boy who said his marriage life is gone.Who the bloody hell was
responsible but that pervert,murderer BABA and those who refuse to see the truth.Oh there are some ba***rd parents who do not trust their own child. Can't you make out my anguish and outporings .My God.
Answer my questions
1.Janakiramiah's childern are millioniares.How?
2.Why did Baba never talk to his elder brother.
3.Who was the police inspector who killed the four people.
4.How did they get permission at mid night to kill these people.
5.Why did BaBA change his residence.
6.What has happened to the case now?
7.I can ask many more but i know you or anyone supporting baba will nnot have the answer.
8. What happened to Kumar the watch man ? Why was he murdered?
9.Why did BABA not save Kutumb Rao? He actually told him that his cancer is cancelled.
10 He declared that he would become different after his 60th birthday.
HE IS A CHEAT AND MURDERER AND if you read this i know you will just question the validity of my statements.My confidence and my sincerity can be seen by those who want to see and not those who refuse to see.
That is my validity.
I will keep telling people that BABA is a cheat of the highest order

abusedbyababa, you are arguing you case via heresay. Anyone can claim they heard something from someone and repeat it as the truth. Neither you or anyone else can provide proof, evidence or first-hand testimonies from anyone with an verfiable, full name. Until you do, this conversation is going to go nowhere.

The school records are wholly inaccurate. Neither you or "Sai Baba Exposed" (aka Sanjay Kishore Dadlani) responded to the issue of exact birthdates shared by 10 out of the 12 individuals listed in the school records. There is only one way to get a certified date of birth for Sathya Sai Baba: obtain his passport. But even then people will not accept it. The doubters will continue to doubt. The debaters will continue to debate. And heresay, rumors and gossip will continue to be perpetuated ad nauseam.

You are looking for a debate. I am interested in verifiable facts. Supply them for me and then we will talk. Otherwise, I will not respond to what I see as rumors, gossip and untruths. If someone made criminal allegations against you on the internet, there is little doubt that you would demand dates, names and verifiable first-hand information to defend yourself. Since you (and others like you) are making criminal allegations against Sathya Sai Baba, the burden of proof is on you. Supply it or you will get more silence from me.

the questions that are poste are for joe and Lisa

The fact that you are not answering me anymore shows a lack of valid points to argue.I know that u are wrong and u also know that .
or just answer my question. Why the school records show adifferent date of birth. i know your answer.Abuse and get away.
As far as the murders are concerned BABA orderd the killings through Joga Rao
The person who heard the conversation is very close to me and even now a devotee. I do not want to mention his name.you are hiding behind a news broadcaster whereas i am talking out of my own knowledge.
You escaped from the date of birth controversy. Now tell me, the official records don't report that devotees killed the four who entered baba's chamber.
It says the inspector who shot these 4 is absconding,but the actual fact is
he was in Staff quarters for months together, maybe an year.
now why don't you answer the official record.
i know what you will do " abuse me " or say that you don't know about the official record or better than that Just keep quite
please answer point by point.
the third question about materialisations that are shown in ex.baba.com
what about them

Regarding Sai Baba's official/unofficial birthdates: I should add that in ONE of the three school records for Raju, his DOB was mistakenly listed as 4/10/1939. This was corrected as 4/10/29, and it's right there in the original school record.

Still sounds pretty particular for me, for a bunch of backward villagers from a backwoods village who supposedly don't care much for registering birthdates accurately. :-)

Thanks Sheila. I hope you'll forgive me for wondering if the message was written by a real person or some kind of spambot, but what does this have to do with Sai Baba?

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Abusedfor15years, you said exactly what I was just about to say today! :-)

If Moreno/Padmanabhan (author of LIMF) want to hold that 4.10.29 is an inaccurate date due to the inaccurate time-keeping by backwoods villagers, then this argument also applies to 23rd Nov 1926. :-)

At the very least, we can say that 4.10.29 is the "official" date because it is in Sai Baba's documented school records. Not just the records from one school, but all three of the schools Raju attended. :-)

As for your other claims regarding Raju's birth in Karnatanagapalli, yes, it is all true. :-)

Thanks for the reply
  But are u not contradicting yourself in giving two different replys. you yourself said 'In addition, in 1926, people in remote villages like Puttaparthi, in pre-independent India, were not very particular about dates and birth registration was done much later."
If that is the case why is it considered 23 november.I don't know whether i told you. Rathnakar, son of janakiramiyah (Baba's brother) told me that all dates were fake including his father's.supposed to be in may. I tell you that everything written about baba's birth is concocted. He was not born in the siva temple area.He was born in Karnata nagepalli on the other side of chitravathi and his uncle was the one who helped in eshwaramma's labour pains.
  I even heard that sai baba killed an old man in the hills and took his mantra book (sort of magic spell books) and became succesful but pesonaly i do not believe.
  His elder brother"s grand children claim that even he had some powers.
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Oh dear, looks like Joe108 is stumped in his "defence" of Sai Baba yet again. :-) Looks like Sai Baba is also in trouble too, since his borth-dates cannot be explained away so easily. :-)

Freestone, since Joe108 (Gerald Moreno) has threatened to disrupt discussions on this board with his slanderous and defamatory (not to mention irrelevant) spam, I hope that you will step in to do the necessary; either deleting such spam-posts or banning the instigator altogether.

Disruptive people should not be allowed to disrupt discussions. People should not be prevented from engaging in open discussion due to the disruptive behaviour of a mischievious few.

I do not have to defend myself against an self-admitted pervert, stalker, pathological liar and drunk!

Sanjay Kishore Dadlani (aka Sai Baba Exposed) has been fully exposed for his StreetBitches Blog, his Jesus Sex Fetish, his views on Child And Teen Pornography, his self-admitted Psychological Problems, his Disturbing Views About Women, his self-admitted Drinking Problems, his Satanic Inclinations, his Shocking Confessions, his Long And Established History As A Pathological Liar, his outward Denial Of His Own Hare Krishna Guru - Srila Prabhupada, his public Lie About Meeting Aghori Vimalananda, his Homoeroticism And Gender Confusion, his Inability To Keep A Girlfriend, his Pseudo-Devotee Posturing, his He-Man Inspired God Concept, his Lies About Being A Vegetarian, his weird claim that He Was Dying, his amusing Belief That Semen Can Be Sucked Up From The Testicles, Via The Spine, To The Brain.

Sanjay Dadlani Exposed

Sanjay, this is the response you are going to get from now on to all of your posts. There is no arguing with a person who fantasizes about slicing his flesh with razors and licking the barrel of gun before blowing his brains out! That is exactly what you claimed on your former killuminati blog (the one you deleted then restored in an attempt to cover your tracks).

Better spend more time fantasizing about Lord Krishna's bulging biceps and He-Man's muscular body and "good looks". Not to talk about publicly sharing your dreams in which you want to have sex with a prostitute! Have you no shame? No need to reply because you will get this response again :-)