Angel,why do you leave you and Lisa.Tell everyone that I am Lisa and I am Angel and I am Meera and jeo and Tony.If you have some semblance of a descent talk,you will jump into the fray and destroy it. Remember I am from India and I don't use words like Vocab.I write full - Vocabulary.Any how you have an agenda .Go ahead

Edited by author 05-18-2007 02:15 AM
/m2186

Are you illiterate James (Sanjay Dadlani)? There is absolutely nothing wrong with my vocabulary. You anti-Sais continually talk down to people calling them "dumb". So why are you such hypocrites?

Pretty difficult to have a conversation with people who have hidden agendas and do not know what they are talking about half the time, like Tony O'Clery and his baloney about muktas. Tony is so dumb he does not even know a mukta can have a body (jivamukta) and yet the fraud is trying to pretend he is some expert on advaita and puts others down.

BTW O'Clery, Shirdi Sai Baba said, "Mukthi is impossible for those addicted to lust."

James,They read a few books and they hear what they want from thier so called gurus and also good gurus.They interpret all this according to what their intellectual,spiritual growth.
One Indian Philosophy called Nyaya -meaning logic.That is to use Nyaya or Logic to understand God.It is for those who cannot use other methods,like meditation devotion etc., None of us in this forum are great devotees of any God.We are Devoted to God but we have not matured (maybe we can also use the word ripe)either in our Devotion or meditation to understand the philosophical difference between God and us.Or shall we say Atman and Paramaatman . So using logic is the best way for the present especially when we all have different different ideas.
What does Advaita say.I hope all of us agree in it. It says.God and we are one and the same. So if God and we are one, where is anyone else be existing??.How can some one else ,whether it is this or that Baba come and do something like appearing in our dream. It is Our Atman,also called the subconscious mind by scientists, which creates our (babas or any other form) in our dream.
Now if we believe our own dead parent/parent or grand parent or someone we like and also believed by us as a person who has powers after death,our prayers to them also helps.They will also appear in our dreams and also perform miracles.What is the secret??

OUR BELIEF

Lahri Mahashya the great guru inAutobiography of a yogi is quoted as telling a woman "If you believe this Photo of mine as me (or Divine) it is me.If you treat it as a photo, it is a photo." So I( repeat , it is we who make a difference because we are inherently divine and all the philosophical terms like jivan muktha, Paramataman jeevatman etc., are just the jargon used by philosophers.

ubb you're using different user names.



WHY?

You have a pretty bad level of vocab. Think of something interesting to say other than calling people dumbos.
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ubb...

Who is this Shirdi person you guys keep talking of? Is he dead? Do you see dead people? Is that what you're saying?

Edited by author 05-18-2007 02:21 AM
/m2189, /m2187

Tony, you are the dummy who does NOT know what he is talking about.

JIVA The individual soul and incarnated Atma(n).
JIVAMUKTA (Lit., liberated while living) One who is liberated in this life while still in the body.
JIVAN Literally: living being. The individual soul which in essence is one with the Universal Soul.

Mukthi is impossible for those addicted to lust.--Shirdi Sai Baba

You have a pretty bad level of vocab. Think of something interesting to say other than calling people dumbos.

Edited by author 02-18-2007 07:47 PM
/m2194

Exactly. Many people have stated that they also saw Sai Baba in dreams before they even knew who he was.

Of course, now Tony will claim that Baba is a demon (roll eyes).

I think i remember from some documentary that L.H. said she saw Sb in a dream before she met him,she recognized his face on some picture in some friends house and said it was a man from her dreams.

Edited by author 02-19-2007 12:17 AM
/m2192, /m2187

The thing is, Angel, that many people like me who initially see Shirdi, do not even know who he is at the time we see him so we have NO preconceptions about who he is. Later, it is only when we hear about him or see him in a photo that we realize who he is.

The stuff that Tony is babbling about totally contradicts the Bhagavad-Gita and other authoritative Hindu scriptures. All scriptures teach that the soul is immortal. Hindu scriptures teach that Avatars DO incarnate and take form as humans in order to help mankind.

"Even though myself unborn, of changeless essence, and the lord of all existence, yet in presiding over nature -- which is mine -- I am born but through my own maya (5), the mystic power of self-ideation, the eternal thought in the eternal mind. (6) I produce myself among creatures, O son of Bharata, whenever there is a decline of virtue and an insurrection of vice and injustice in the world; and thus I incarnate from age to age for the preservation of the just, the destruction of the wicked, and the establishment of righteousness. Whoever, O Arjuna, knoweth my divine birth and actions to be even so doth not upon quitting his mortal frame enter into another, for he entereth into me. Many who were free from craving, fear, and anger, filled with my spirit, and who depended upon me, having been purified by the ascetic fire of knowledge, have entered into my being. In whatever way men approach me, in that way do I assist them; but whatever the path taken by mankind, that path is mine..."--Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita, Chapter 4


Apparently Tony's neo-fascist cult does not believe this and he is busy denigrating others, invalidating their very sacred spiritual experiences and trying to force his beliefs down everyone elses throat, whether they like it or not. Such is the nature of fascism.

Shirdi Baba is either a mukti or he is not. If he is a mukti there is no personality or ego to take form any form.
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i don't think it matters what they are.It matters how they're perceived.

Edited by author 03-12-2008 04:24 AM
/m2187, /m2189

Tony you don't know what you are talking about. Quit trying to play guru to people on this board. Go start your own weirdo cult.


JIVA The individual soul and incarnated Atma(n).
JIVAMUKTA (Lit., liberated while living) One who is liberated in this life while still in the body.
JIVAN Literally: living being. The individual soul which in essence is one with the Universal Soul.

Mukthi is impossible for those addicted to lust.--Shirdi Sai Baba

"You are right you will have to forgive my unsophistication. You see before I had any tertiary edu, I was a construction worker, cane-cutter, australian gigolo, union man, and surfer. Heaven for me was 'surfs up', and 'out the back', on Aussie beaches."--Tony O'Clery


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 07-23-2007 06:31 AM
/m2187

Tony, why don't you just admit to everyone that you are an atheist and a fascist and make it easy on yourself? Everytime you open your big phony mouth you reveal how shallow and crooked you are.

For your info, Joe has also stated that he has seen Shirdi. Many other people have stated that they have seen Shirdi in his physical body, fool.

Remember too that YOU are the one who keeps claiming he possesses supernatural abilities but constantly talks like an obsessive sexual pervert.

You are sickening Tony. Get it through your thick head, you are NOT a guru and you are not a role model. You are a pathological liar and a PERVERT. Now get a life and mind your own business before you end up in jail.


Tony O'Clery Vandalises Wikipedia with His Libelous and Perverted Comments

Tony O'Clery, who has an account at Wikipedia under the name aoclery, added the following libelous comments to the article about Sathya Sai Baba. He attempted to hide his identity by not signing in to his account.

"He also admits to pedophilia but says that as he is
God they are paying off their karma quickly."


After confronting Tony with his libelous vandalism, he does it again!


"...he also says his pedophilia is good for they pay the karma off quicker as he is god..."

Tony also vandalises the Benjamin Creme article:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God."

Someone reverts Tony's vandalism and Tony comes back and does it again:

"He also says it is true that sai baba is a pedophile but that he is paying off people's karma quicker, by assaulting them as he is God, according to top officials in the sai org. "


Tony even confesses:

2856 Tony O'Clery 03-24-2007 07:40 PM ET (US)
I have put that comment on every article referring to sb in wikipedia,,go find them fill your boots.

sb org says he molests as god curing karma.
 
Cornered like a rat, Tony tries a new lie:

"A former official of the sai organisation, Tony O'Clery, has stated that they were told to state that the sexual touching and pedophilia were to help with the subjects karma, as Sai Baba was 'God'."





TONY O'CLERY EXPOSED

"You are right you will have to forgive my unsophistication. You see before I had any tertiary edu, I was a construction worker, cane-cutter, australian gigolo, union man, and surfer. Heaven for me was 'surfs up', and 'out the back', on Aussie beaches."--Tony O'Clery

Angelic wrote---you're an expert.SB appeared to Hawleys ,they both saw him.
You can hear them talking about it here..

Namaste,

Shirdi Baba is either a mukti or he is not. If he is a mukti there is no personality or ego to take form any form.

Edited by author 02-18-2007 04:48 PM
you're an expert?
SB appeared to Hawleys ,they both saw him.
You can hear them talking about it here..
http://www.putfile.com/unity99/media