Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:04 AM
/m1598

See, the dork is still trying to dictate even how people use their computers! Pathetic isn't it?

Get over it crybaby. Go whine to your mommy. I'm tired of your childish drooling. Or better yet, go see a shrink. You seem to have some VERY serious control issues. Your nosiness is most likely tied to your obsessive desire to boss everyone around.

And don't forget your cowardly accusers are ALL grown men who are LIARS. The then Prime Minister of India even said so. If it weren't true the accusers could have easily sued him and the other two former Supreme Court Justices who signed onto his statement. The fact that they didn't (and didn't even raise a protest) speaks VOLUMES. Get real bozo. You are living in Lala Land.

And no, it's NOT my "opinion". It's FACT based on my own observations and DOCUMENTATION. Too bad you don't know the difference, ignoramus. Like I said, you are too dumb to try to play legal expert. Go play with your pink dollies and leave the judging to law enforcement. Your journalists are flunkies who need some serious help for not seeing what liars you guys are, especially when your lies are documented all over the internet.

Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Ah yes, and don't forget what Mr. Tigrett said. He said it all, y'know. :-)

I'd appreciate it if you didn't edit your posts significantly after the fact to include new information that you didn't think of entering on your first attempt. I will respond how I was going to. In response to this:

"Like you, the media is a joke going nowhere fast ... You're not going anywhere so quit kidding yourself bozo. Why can't you dummies get it through your heads that your accusers are LYING?"

But that's your biased opinion, Lisa. :-) You are biased because you are a devotee/follower of Sai Baba and that makes you partial to him. You have not regarded any of the allegations with a neutral mind since the beginning. And your opinion is not enough to prove Sai baba's innocence. :-)

As for your ridiculous claims about making the media a joke, and having egg on our faces, this only reveals the depths of denial that you have buried your head in. If you seriously think that it has been possible to delude and lie to world-class newspapers, UNITED NATIONS branches, TWO world-class television broadcasters, various University Chancellors, etc etc etc - you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Enjoying the show? We certainly are. :-)

Edited by author 12-22-2006 03:19 AM
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like you, the media is a joke going nowhere fast. You guys are doing a great job making naive journalists look like fools (by sucking them into your anti-Sai web of obsessive hysteria and lies), I'll give you that. Six years you have been babbling like this and still you sound as desperate and as deluded as you did four years ago when I came onto the scene. You're not going anywhere so quit kidding yourself bozo. Why can't you dummies get it through your heads that your accusers are LYING? Investigate all you want (six years and counting and nothing to show for it but egg on your faces, remember?). The more you do, the more foolish you look as your idiocy is exposed for all to see. I'm enjoying the show.

Once again, look in the mirror dumbo. EVERY post of yours is nothing but ad hominem hypocrisy. And get over yourself. You're not smart enough to be judging anyone else. You can't even follow your own standards you try to force on everyone else. You are pathetic.

Lisa, stop trying to make proofless claims. I can very easily document a huge number of your own lies and very easily label you as a pathological liar.

How can I make it any clearer to you? Your tactics are not going to halt the wave of public and media investigation into Sai Baba that he has brought upon himself thanks to his ceaseless need for self-promotion. Your diversionary ad-hominem attacks will not work either. Give it up.

Edited by author 03-04-2008 07:17 AM
Sanjay, PLEASE look in the mirror. You are projecting your own garbage onto everyone else as usual. Many people have named you for what you are. A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. There are TOO many like you in the anti-sai crowd. One can only wonder if it is the drugs, alcohol or both that enable so many of you conscienceless dregs.

How can I make it ANY clearer for you Sinjay? You and Tony BOTH need to STOP using other people in order to avoid your own abusive behavior, lies and PERVERSIONS. Is that clear enough Sinjay? You, like Tony need a Twelve Step program so you can learn to mind your own business instead of everyone elses.

Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 12-21-2006 10:31 PM
Lisa, please, you have an extremely bad reputation for telling lies and distorting the facts. You need to clarify exactly what you mean when you tell me to "mind my own business". If you are talking about yourself, then fine, because you are an unimportant person and I am not very interested in you anyway.

If you are talking about Sai Baba, then sorry, you are directly encroaching on my rights to freedom of speech. You have no business telling me what I can and can't say about Sai Baba especially since I am in a position to make qualified statements, my being an apostate.

And if you are so concerned with people "nosying" into your private business, you might like to address the question of why you take great delight in "nosying" into the personal and private lives of Sai Baba's critics as you have been doing without break since 2002.

And yes, you have plenty to hide. The simple fact that you are not courageous enough to clarify your stance in public is proof of this. Unlike Sai Baba's apostates, who have availed themselves to media sources and more, you have hidden behind your computer screen since late 2002 hiding away and running away from direct questions asked of you. You may claim a right to privacy if only you weren't so morbidly interested in violating the privacy of other people. You have forfeited your right to privacy, and you have the audacity to talk of jail when your own slanderous and defamatory abusive statements would institutionalise you, never mind jail.

You still haven't learned your lessons and you still continue to engage in the same behaviour without break, just as you will continue to do so in future. At the end of the day you are to be ignored, because even Sathya Sai Baba does not recognise you. Have fun with that.

Meera, regarding your question about the identity of Shirdi/Sathya Sai Babas, you may be interested in some research that I've done. This is the index page here.

Edited by author 12-21-2006 10:25 PM
I don't have anything to hide (again, it's none of your business pervert). You, like Tony, need to start learning to mind your own abusive behavior and perversions instead of everyone elses business and I'm telling it LIKE it is NOSY.

Ok, it's none of my business? LOL, at least you are now de facto admitting that you have something to hide. After all, you are the first devotee/nondevotee who does not have the courage to publicly clarify their position.

In any case, what I have said about you and Joe is still true: You are unauthorised "spokespersons" for Sai Baba and/or his organisation and nobody with any measure of intelligence would or should give you the time of day. Thank you for confirming all of this in public, the fact that you have something to hide.

And there we go with the racist "white men" thing again, racial ethnicities that Lisa has a great problem with. And more lies about the Alaya Rahm court case; it "flopped" for very good legal reasons and not at all why the unauthorised SB-defenders are saying.

It comes to some measure of pathetic-ness when even senior devotees like Tigrett confess on TV that Sai Baba is a serial sex abuser and it wouldn't make any difference to them. Nor ar epolice investigations welcome, because they are "internal matters" that do not require police investigation! Try saying that to the media in a First World country and let's see what happens.

Edited by author 04-21-2007 05:46 AM
/m1588

Yes you are Sanjay. You can't even quote what I said about devotees so you are a LYING pervert.

Read my lips: It's NONE of your business PERVERT (Sinjay will drive himself crazy over this because he is so addicted to sticking his big nose where it doesn't belong).

Lisa, I am not lying about anything and I have even asked you to direcrly confirm your statements in the past, which you have never done. If you have stated it as many times as you claim, you can now confirm it once and for all so that it can be up for posterity and your position clear.

Are you a devotee of Sai Baba? Just answer a simple 'yes' or 'no'.

It wouldn't matter much anyway because then there would be further questions as to your motivations in defending Sai Baba and smearing his critics in the horribly abusive way you have been doing since 2002.

No fear, Gerald Moreno is also in the same boat. He has made contradictory statements and cannot make up his mind either, about whether he is Sai Baba's devotee or not. How hilarious and ironic, Sai Baba's biggest defenders are not even his devotees (or so they claim). At least I have the open courage to publicly state my position. Lisa, do yourself a favour and follow Sai Baba's own words as I recently posted. You would be much better off silent because even Sai Baba has explicitly stated that he doesn't need or want anyone to defend him. You and your colleagues are persona non grata where SB is concerned but you may get a free car sometime in the future.

Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:37 AM
/m1576

You are LYING as usual Tony baloney. Not one of the GROWN men who are accusing Sai Baba were or are MAN enough to file charges in India like any other law abiding citizen must do in any other country as well. Once again your racist-sounding drivel betrays you for what you are. Not to mention that MOST of you are WHITE men who were raised Catholic.

And the Indian government certainly wasn't controlling the court here when Alaya Rahm's lawsuit FLOPPED because he LIED about having witnesses who would back up his tale of woe and his own public speeches reveal him to be a liar. You people need HELP Tony. Talk about "true believer" syndrome.


Dream on Tony. You need to see a shrink so you can learn to see PAST your LIES to REALITY. Twelve Steps, Tony. Twelve Steps to minding your OWN business.


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 12-21-2006 09:53 PM
Sanjay you are lying again. Even if you had paid attention to my statements about the devotee thing I'm sure you would still be lying about me like you lie about pretty much everything else.

The truth is, it is none of your business anyway, especially considering your continuous perversions and abusive behavior. This is all you can come up with since you are so desperate and such an immature adolescent who just can't grow up.

Mind your own business pervert before you end up in jail(/m272).

Edited by author 12-21-2006 09:27 PM
/m1584

Well whoever you are (probably the other multiple personality, and drunk, like Tony, usedcrybaby), MIND your own business. You anti-Sais have more skeletons in your closet than graves have bones so you should keep your hypocritical mouth shut. Go play in your sand box with the other five year olds who are like you.

Why are the anti-sais all such a bunch of drunken game players?

Here's how Tony the phony talks, You still want to defend him?

I was holding the candle but he liked the shape,
so he grabbed it and stuck it
up his arse.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibab...onclub/message/4559

Hi there,
Stand in front of the mirror masturbating and
think of sb, really think hard about him doing
fellatio on you. You will first notice a big pair
of rubber lips appearing in the astral then sb
will be with
you, inviting you to pn so you can be anally
penetrated.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24890

So now pull your pants down and let god do
fellatio and anal penetration on you with his
golden lingam.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24911


And then there's saibabaexposed aka Sanjay Dadlani aka Ekantik (/m272).

Why are you defending perverts Meera? Are you a pervert too?

Edited by author 12-21-2006 09:08 PM
I am surprised that you are calling me Tony.I am not. My name is Meera Powar from Maharashtra.I live in Mumbai. We are devotees of Shirdi sai Baba. I have neighbours who are Sathya Sai devotees who claim the both Sais are the same.I find it difficult to agree but ready to accept it, if it is proved true.

Edited by author 08-02-2008 03:44 AM
Tony's problem is that he thinks he is a wannabe role model and guru who has multiple personalities (like Raghav, Juan, edgarj, sivatayi_2000, humanzee, etc.) he just cannot keep under control when someone tells the truth about him. Yet Tony is very content to lie about others and play his childish mind games on the internet.

Tony's just mad because I know the truth about him and what a phony he is.


The BIG difference between Tony and I is I can actually back up MOST of my statements with documented facts whereas Tony spouts lies like there is no karma. I also spend much of my time judging people in order to help them get over severe illnesses whereas Tony judges people for pure vindictiveness and because he is a nutter of negativity who is addicted to it like he is alcohol.

Joe 108
I was never a devotee and I do not know much about him,except for the fact that I keep reading both positive and negative about him,in the press,T.V and now in the net. I hope you can tell me more postive things about Baba. I am a shirdi devotee to an extent.I want to know if Sathya sai and Shidi sai are the same.Just curious.

Meera you are right. Just see what Sai Baba has to say about such "devotees":

"It is no use indulging in arguments and disputations; he who clamours aloud has not grasped the truth, believe Me. Silence is the only language of the realised. Practise moderation in speech. That will help you in many ways. It will develop love, for most misunderstandings and factions arise out of carelessly spoken words. When the foot slips, the wound can be healed; but when the tongue slips, the wound it causes in the heart of another will fester for life. The tongue is liable to four big errors; uttering falsehood, scandalising, finding fault with others and excessive articulation. These have to be avoided if there has to be peace for the individual as well as for society."

- Divine Discourse, 12 July 1958.

And people like Lisa De Witt are now trying to deny their devotion and pretend that they are not devotees. They run away from direct questions but don't mind flinging mad and making gutter-standard attacks in direct defiance of Sai baba's words. Oh well,... Tigrett says that the allegations of sexual abuse are true, and even suggested that Sai Baba has murderous tendencies which he would totally ignore. What more is needed to prove that this is a dangerous cult where all forms of common human morals and decency are blunted and erased out of existence?

Poor poor Gerald Morneo, burying his head so far down into the sand that he no longer has a grip on reality. With the huge number of media articles, organisational pullouts, US State Dept travel advisories, two television documentaries, possible (British) governmental controversies, plus the fact that Sai Baba and/or his organisaiton are on the watchlists of almost every country, Gerald Moreno and his gang are still quibbling about how he hasn't been convicted.

Talk about swimming against the current. :-)

Lisa,you are only spoiling your health.In just three messages you have abused more.What is the point of abusing so much.See for yourself.O Baba
help her.This is too much. If you want to discuss,you should,But abuses make us very uncomfortable.I again copy your writing for your own review.

your foul and perverted
mouth
cowards
crybabies
perverts
liars
Tony's garbage
Tony how many times he has cheated on his wife,
done illegal drugs, etc.
badly in need of
anti-depressant
garbage
dirty thoughts
LIARS
inveterate liar
pathological liars
Your big ol' ego
stubborn

Edited by author 12-21-2006 01:08 PM
These are few abuses used by co2000 to abuse Tony in just three or four days.If someone abuses in a discussion,It means she/he does not have any matter to discuss.Her abues are below for all to see:

"phony.
complete idiocy or your inherent white supremacist tendencies
liar.
deaf, dumb and blind (as USUAL) to get it
lying, brain dead wannabe intellectual
irresponsible idiocy,
obsessive-compulsive disorder for stupidity.
Bozo
nutter of negativity
negative pretender
so dense (and evil)
YOUR rotten fruits
Pathetic
Babble
dumbo.
You are a disgusting excuse for a human being
Nutbal
idiotic little mind games? Only the ignorant and brain dead will fall for your evasive maneuvering
hypocrite supreme
sewerbrained pervert
braindead
DUMB it is criminal
school drop out
liars like you
perverts
sewerbrain supreme
disgusting potty
Perverts Anonymous.
big mouthed defamer


We see that you have a hatered for Anti sai Baba people,but is it not right to just talk instead of pouring out all your anger and calling them names.Are you trying to prove the Anti babas right???

Lisa de Witt's problem is that she is a minor guru to her friends and 'followers' and she uses sb as her credibility. So she cannot admit what she really in her heart knows--sb is a criminal fraud.

As is evidenced from the BBC url, the Govt and Courts of India are in the hands of the corrupt and super rich. sb is regarded as a contributor to political coffers, a deliverer of local votes, a creator of foreign currency imports etc etc. Many of the politicians are corrupt and sexual deviants, some like Rao were even convicted it was so bad. sb's paranormal abilities which he learned from his tantric conjurer uncle are just low level tricks that's all as any examination of the videos will show.

Edited by author 03-04-2008 07:06 AM
/m1565

You're living in your David Icke Wonderland as usual Tony the phony. The government of India considers Sai Baba a national security asset due to his paranormal abilities which the government has DOCUMENTED for SEVERAL decades. The government has done everything but shout this from the rooftops so the fact that you refuse to see it is a testament to either your complete idiocy or your inherent white supremacist tendencies (or both) which seek to denigrate the Indian government.

And you know exactly what that k-list post has to do with you.

Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

Edited by author 08-02-2008 03:48 AM
/m1567

Yes I have explained my position VERY clearly. Like I said, You are just too deaf, dumb and blind (as USUAL) to get it. You incessantly repeat the same garbage over and over again like you have alzheimers disease. It is REALLY a bore dealing with such a lying, brain dead wannabe intellectual who is lucky he can remember his own name and go to the bathroom by himself and has to have everything explained to him a thousand times (AND HE STILL DOESN'T GET IT!). I'm not going to waste my time on your irresponsible idiocy, especially when you continue to repeat the same idiocies and lies over and over again like you have an obsessive-compulsive disorder for stupidity.

Edited by author 08-02-2008 03:42 AM
/m1568


Since when is it a law that says miracles must be validated by science bozo? You idiots can't even follow your own standards and get one of your accusers to file a lawsuit or charges so who can take you seriously?

I don't need to explain Baba's miracles. I have experienced them PERSONALLY from a distance. I have tested Baba's omniscience and he has proven it to me so tough luck, nutter of negativity. And I certainly don't owe a negative pretender like YOU an explanation. You wouldn't know a miracle if it hit you in the head you are so dense. By their fruits we shall KNOW them and we can SEE what YOUR rotten fruits (/m272) are fruity boy with the jesus porn and boot fetishes with misogynistic overtones. Pathetic that you try to lecture people the way you do when you are such a low life. Unfortunately you are the one who is so brainwashed by your own egoism and negativity it does not surprise me that you babble the way you do. Remember dork, YOU are the one who babbles like a brainwashed devotee on your blog and yahoogroup when you obviously have absolutely NO spiritual experiences to back up your babble. All of your incessant babble outside your devotee group about God and miracles is negativity to the nth degree. You've stabbed EVERY guru you've claimed to follow in the back bozo.

In short, YOU are the biggest phony there is with your pretense of being a Krishna devotee when you don't even believe God incarnates in human, a major precept of Hinduism.

Poor, Poor Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). With all of his "proof", even from devotees, Anti-Sai Activists have done absolutely nothing with it and Sathya Sai Baba has never been charged with any crime! No one has even tried to charge him. Keep spewing your rhetorical slop on these boards Sanjay. Nobody believes you despite your gnashing of teeth, breast-beating, foaming at the mouth and loud wailing :-)

Sad? Isn't it?

• Sanjay Dadlani Exposed: /m272 /m1099
  "Sai Baba EXPOSED" Exposed




• "Usedbybaba" Exposed




• Barbara Dent Exposed




• Anthony "Tony" O'Clery Exposed



• Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba: SaiSathyaSai.com"

Either Joe108 doesn't understand English or he has reading problems. In my last post I (indirectly) quoted two newspaper articles to support my "views", what to speak of quoting Tigrett himself - a longtime close devotee of Sai Baba who was the biggest funder of SSB's hospital.

Secondly, this is not even a discussion. Joe108 (and his colleagues) are neither devotees (so they claim) nor are they spokespersons for SSB and/or his Organisation. Therefore there is no need and no use of engaging in any form of discussion with them considering that they have nothing interesting to say, and only repeat the same turgid ad-hominem nonsense and spamming of their defamatory and slanderous links.

Joe108, you were served with a 48-hour block (suspended) on Wikipedia due to your disruptive editing and personal attacks. I know what you are trying to do; despite your stern warning, you are still misrepresenting me and my comments, least of all the fact that you were told that off-wiki discussions/websites are not within the purview of Wikipedia matters. Your incorrigible attempts to goad me are not going to work, even though it is fully consistent with your defamatory and slanderous behaviour over the course of over 12 months.

Remember, you are the one who started the hostilities with no good reason. That is an irrefutable fact. And Sathya Sai Baba is widely reported as a serial sex abuser, a paedophile, a murderer, and much more. Despite your plaintive claims about no convictions (which you are also being intellectually dishonest about) it is not going to change the minds of normal people who have all placed SSB firmly in their "no-no list", when this knowledge has made a full entry into the mainstream consciousness. Tough luck, you can't do anything about it except weep.

Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") has no proof to support any of his claims. Long, boring and rambling diatribes are Sanjay's only defence! lol Now Sanjay is claiming that he has suppressed information about Tigrett. Do the lies ever end? Just as Sanjay claimed he has suppressed information about me posting on teen porn sites which he adamantly refuses to substantiate in any manner, fashion or form! No one can believe a proven liar.

Come on Sanjay, you aren't fooling anyone. No court cases filed in India, no police complaints filed in India, no first-hand efforts to even try to file a court case or complaint in India. The tide has turned and the crabs are scattering with their pinchers raised aloft.

re /m1555 Sanjay said:

"Sai Baba is certainly not divine, especially as his closest followers see nothing wrong if he sexually abuses little children and murders people."

Now he is saying, "I didn't say that he was a murderer per se."

As I said, "...with their pinchers raised aloft." The equivocation never stops.

• Sanjay Dadlani Exposed: /m272 /m1099
  "Sai Baba EXPOSED" Exposed




• "Usedbybaba" Exposed




• Barbara Dent Exposed




• Anthony "Tony" O'Clery Exposed



• Exposing The Lies, Deceit & Dishonesty Of Critics, Skeptics And Ex-Devotees Of Sathya Sai Baba: SaiSathyaSai.com"

I didn't say that he was a murderer per se. My opinion of his murderous tendencies is based on Isaac Tigrett's statement in the BBC documentary which is irrefutable. Tigrett specifically said this out of his own mouth with no prompting, especially when the question was about serial sex abuse and paedophilia.

It is ludicrous to not suspect Sai Baba of murder given the ample evidence of his being privy to the whole affair in 1993, which took place in his own inner apartments. He doesn't need to actually murder people with his own hand, the simple fact that murders, rapes and suspicious deaths occurring in and around his ashram are reported in newspapers is enough to surmise that he has done absolutely nothing by way of internal or external investigation. He has never co-operated with the authorities and his own deputy at the time (Indulal Shah) specifically told the media:

"The matter is purely internal and we do not wish to have any law enforcement agency investigating into it." - The Hindu, July 10th 1993

This is all one needs to know that the Sai Organisation (operating under Sai Baba's direct control) carries out actions that are incredibly suspicious and questionable at best. Only recently an unnamed Sai official stated, "We do not care" about the US State Dept Travel Advisory for India. 'Nuff said.

I forgot to respond to this /m1560:

"I don't know ANY street magicians who can communicate with millions of people around the world in their dreams or appear to them in their homes, Sanjay. I don't know ANY street magicians who can build free hospitals for the poor and provide drinking water to those in India who have none. I don't know ANY street magicians who have HUNDREDS of books written about them and are regarded as an Avatar because of their "magical feats". I don't know ANY street magicians who have heads of state from NUMEROUS countries asking their advice on how to solve world problems.

"In short, Sanjay you are being VERY disingenuous (as usual) when you describe Sai Baba's abilities. This doesn't surprise those who know what a liar and SUPERFICIAL, phony person you are."

This is the type of crap that gets spouted out when brainwashed followers don't have a clue how to explain his "miracles". Whenever it suits them, they yabber-yabber on and on about how great and fantastic and wonderful his miracles are, and as soon as it is pointed out that all his little tricks can be replicated even by corner-street magicians (even I can hide vibhuti tablets between my fingers, duh), they promptly change tack and shift the focus onto his welfare activities that anyone with money can do and is not proof of divinity.

And then we talk about the supposed paranormal experiences - have any of these experiences been scientifically and independently verified? Even Erlender Haraldsson was able to uncover that the "ressurection" of Walter Cowan was disingenuous, but still the myth is perpetuated without the least effort to get it corrected. We are not interested in the psychoactive and hallucinatory experiences of brainwashed devotees, and we ar enot interested in welfare works either. We are concerned that Sai Baba is claiming to be God when he has nothing to support his position, and is abusing his position to rape little children and murder dissidents. That's it.

Don't try those lame bait-and-switch tactics with me. Sai Baba's "miracles" can be replicated by any street magician and you know it. Now tell me how building a hospital and providing drinking water is proof that he is God. :-)

And by the way, Tigrett also agrees that Sai Baba can murder people and it wouldn't change a thing for him. What more proof do you need that this is a dangerous cult where the followers don't seem to have any sort of moral scruples, and who walk around like zombies with money? They will willingly turn a blind eye to Sai Baba's paedophilia and murderous acts while continuing to kiss his smelly feet and receive crushed ash tablets (burnt cow dung) direct from his unholy hands.

The only thing that the zombies can repeat is that he has never been convicted, never received a complaint, blah blah blah, when the allegations published in world-class newspapers and broadcast agencies (BBC etc) influence NORMAL people to put Sai Baba on their "no-no list".

Lisa, stop lying. You have never clarified your position as a devotee. If you claim to have done it hundreds of time, you won't mind saying it once more so I can record it for posterity. Bear in mind that I can see your posts on several yahoogroups that will leave one in no doubt that you are utterly devoted to a smelly old whellchair faggot who rapes children and murders people, and which Tigrett doesn't care about even if it happens in front of his own eyes. "Ah, it is just an anal sex leela... oh there he goes again doing a murdering leela, how sublimely divine!"

As I have been repeating over and over again (as seems to be usual to get Gerald Moreno to understand things), we have information on Isaac Tigrett that is not in the public domain and thus it is inappropriate to reveal. Suffice to say, Tigrett knew full well what he was saying to the BBC reporters, and it has nothing to do with being "influenced" by the Rahm family.

The trouble with cowboys like Gerald Moreno (and his sidekick Lisa) is that they were not around at the time when all of these things were breaking out, and they were not even privy to discussions that were going on at the time, much less discussions going on between devotees and former devotees. How terribly ironic that all their information is sourced by us (ALL of their "conclusions" arise from fetid speculating over information from OUR websites) and they think they know it all. Among a number of things, it makes us laugh. And laughing is all we seem to be doing these days, especially when Sai Baba is getting exposed all over the place and even his top-ranking devotees agree with us. :-)

Now Gerald Moreno is resorting to lies and personal remarks about supposed emails he has received form GD, a forum that is not even operational any more! LOL! Such off-wiki personal attacks may be considered aggravating factors in Wikipedia dispute rsolutions, especially since Gerald Moreno has been blocked for 48-hours (suspended) for disruptive editing and personal attacks.

One day the truth will be allowed to reach the courts of India and even the rats in the Parliament will desert the criminal, murderer, pedophile, embezzler, imposter and fraud conjururer of puttaparthi. The he will have the prisoners practising their deviant sexuality on him --sb for a change.

Mind you he may die first, he is pretty decrepit for 78 years of age. I doubt he'll make it to his mid nineties, as he has prophesied.sic.

I don't claim to be a great writer or a great anything, and what has the reference to the k-list got to do with me?

Edited by author 03-04-2008 06:49 AM
/m1562

Look in the mirror Tony. You are the "wannabe writer" and a crappy one at that. Those people actually had their books published by reputable companies, unlike you who has to resort to self-publishing.

Some day you will pay for your slurs and lies. Some day the truth will come out about you and your sordid past.


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6190417.stm

Is it possible one of the most corrupt judicial systems in the world is turning a corner? Perhaps there is hope to get sb into the dock.

'Take care of them' sb said as he ordered the extra judicial killing of the boys at the ashram--dead boys tell no tales.

Most devotee writers are frustrated wannabees and this is a way to sell their crappy books. Like the dogs in India that stand on the pigs back and eat the poop as it emerges.

Edited by author 12-20-2006 02:24 AM
/m1559

Good, God only knows what evil and sordid things Sanjay is involved that could hurt people.

Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:09 AM
/m1555

Sinjay, I NEVER claimed I was or wasn't a devotee! You people are the ones who continuously claim that just because someone believes in Sai Baba they MUST be a devotee so you are babbling like a dunderhead as usual. I've stated my position about the devotee thing but as usual you are too deaf, dumb and blind to see it. I'm not going to repeat myself as I have had to HUNDREDS of times because you are so dishonest and dense.

And you should learn to mind your OWN sordid behavior pervert (/m272). WHY on earth would anyone who is SANE listen to a hypocritical wacko like you anyway? As I have also said many times, you have absolutely NO business judging anyone when your own behavior is so CRIMINAL in itself. Now get outta my face bozo. You are too dishonest to even deal with and I am tired of wasting my time on you. I'm not buying into your idiotic guilt games.

Read again what i said about Tigrett, dummy. Nobody has EVER been convicted in a court of law based on someone's beliefs (roll eyes). The fact that you keep bringing up such idiocy just proves over and over how dense you are. I wish you could understand just how dumb you are Sanjay. People are also sending me comments about you as well as other anti-Sais and their idiocy.

The anti-Sais have been regurgitating this same tired garbage for SIX years now. WHY? Because they cannot find one CREDIBLE accuser, witness or shred of EVIDENCE with which to build their case. WHY? Because there isn't any. WHY? Because this is a whisper campaign based on smoke and mirrors. It is a house of cards that falls down as soon as you blow on it. The anti-Sais have been trying to act like legal experts when they are nothing of the sort.

I don't know ANY street magicians who can communicate with millions of people around the world in their dreams or appear to them in their homes, Sanjay. I don't know ANY street magicians who can build free hospitals for the poor and provide drinking water to those in India who have none. I don't know ANY street magicians who have HUNDREDS of books written about them and are regarded as an Avatar because of their "magical feats". I don't know ANY street magicians who have heads of state from NUMEROUS countries asking their advice on how to solve world problems.

In short, Sanjay you are being VERY disingenuous (as usual) when you describe Sai Baba's abilities. This doesn't surprise those who know what a liar and SUPERFICIAL, phony person you are.


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Edited by author 12-19-2006 11:37 PM
Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"), and what proof did Tigrett provide? It is clear that Tigrett was influenced by Alaya Rahm's claims because Tigrett knew the Rahm family well. Today, however, I seriously doubt Tigrett would say he believes Alaya Rahm. The fact remains that what Tigrett believed (past tense) is not "proof" of sexual abuse. No one can argue guilt based on what other's believe or infer based on what they have heard. If you believe that (which obviously you do) I feel sorry for you.

You have the shameless audacity to say that SSB "murdered" people. You are a big fat liar and everyone knows about it. The more you say, the more and more you are being exposed. I received another email from a past GD member who was thoroughly shocked about your online behavior. Tsk. Needless to say, rumor has it that it has hit Bhaktivedanta Manor as well...again. Tsk.

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Unsubstantiated defamations and libel? LOL, his own top-ranking devotee told TV broadcasters that the allegations are true. What more "proof" do you need? LOL.

Never been proven to be a charlatan? Famous magicians and even street magicians can replicate his "miracles". LOL.

Read the transcript and drown in an ocean of your own tears.

Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") still making his unsubstantiated defamations and libel against Sathya Sai Baba.

Read this and weep, Sanjay:

• Sathya Sai Baba has never been proven to be a "charlatan".
• Sathya Sai Baba has never been convicted of any crime.
• Sathya Sai Baba has never been charged with any crime.
• Sathya Sai Baba has never had even one single complaint lodged against him by any alleged victim, first-hand, in India. As a matter of fact, not even one alleged victim has even tried to file a basic police complaint or court case against Sathya Sai Baba in India (the only place where courts would have jurisdiction over Baba as an individual defendent).

These are the cold, hard facts and no rationalist, critic, skeptic or ex-devotee can provide a scintilla of verifiable evidence to the contrary.

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Edited by author 12-19-2006 09:29 PM
I am sorry,if i had tried to boss you.That was not my intention.I know how you feel.All i said was, as a devotee we are not to clutter our mind with so many unwanted things. In what way will this help us. If we believe Babaji is divine,he would easily handle these things. Instead of thinking about baba we will be wasting our time talking of other things.I am nobody to tell you anything.obviously,you know better than me. I am 62 and i thought i can just share my view and not boss over you.
SaiRam

Lisa, since you are not a Sai devotee (since you do not behave like one nor do you agree with many of his ideas), you are not in a position to describe how Sai devotees should act since you are not a devotee. Furthermore, I am utterly convinced that true devotees of Sai Baba are genuinely good folks (even if they are philosophically ignorant) and this certainly excludes iridescent and irascible people like yourself and Joe108. Truly, Sai Baba is ashamed to have you two for his devotees.

As for Tigrett and his sexual abuse allegations, read it and weep:

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ISAAC TIGRETT
His dad talked to me and I said; look, I, sorry if this happened to your family, to your son, whatever, anyone would be sympathetic, anybody. I said; but it’s not changing my feelings about Sai Baba, it just isn’t.

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Tanya Datta
But even if it was proven to you that Sai Baba was a paedophile and a serial sex abuser, you’re saying it wouldn’t change the fact that he is your guru.

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Isaac Tigrett
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. He could go out and murder someone tomorrow, as I said, it’s not going to change my evolution, it’s not going to change the good things that have come out of my relationship down there.

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Tanya Datta
Does that mean that some part of you believes there could be some truth to the rumours?

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Isaac Tigrett
Oh, absolutely I believe there is truth to the rumours.

- From BBC's 'Secret Swamii documentary transcript

Poor devotees (Lisa and Joe), still running around like headless chickens trying to deny everything. Here is a top-ranking leader of the Sai Organisation making a statement to a world-renowned broadcaster that he believes the sexual abuse/murder allegations are true. And please note that facts about Tigrett have been uncovered which fully explain why he believes that they are true. As such information is not yet in the public domain, it would be unwise to broadcast it. :-)

Sai Baba is certainly not divine, especially as his closest followers see nothing wrong if he sexually abuses little children and murders people.

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Yeah right, Tony. Sai Baba ALREADY has proved to the world his true nature which is divine. All one has to do is to be HONEST to see it.

And Sai devotees don't go around telling people what to do. That's something (bossing people around) anti-Sais ALWAYS do, not devotees.

Sai ram
I am veer raghav from Mysore. Sairam When baba says we need a lot of good karma to know the Avatar, we should be happy that we are able to recognise his glory.baba says 'when ravana kept talking about rama in hatred and anger, he was becoming more closer to Rama,because he was always thinking of Rama.Baba will prove it to the world his real nature.Jai sai ram

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Most likely Tony or another anti-Sai playing childish mind games. The problem with the anti-Sais is they NEVER grow up. They continue to play the same mindless games, hiding behind phony usernames, lies, etc.. They are like hamsters on a treadmill, never getting anywhere. Just going around in circles, doing the same dumb stuff over and over again, expecting things to change.

Even when you tell them CLEARLY why they are failing and show them the DOCUMENTED proof, they STILL are too dumb to get it. They don't come much dumber than this folks.

Tony O'Clery is in his sixties and still acts like a five year old, and a very perverted one at that with all his obsessive babble about sex.



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I am a Devotee.As a Devotee, I request devotees of Baba to keep away from these sites.Swami can handle these things.Let us not spoil our minds.Sai ram

Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:29 AM
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Right Tony baloney and just because some nutball like you says we should believe him doesn't mean we should. Duh. Unfortunately many people are fooled by liars like you and your lowly friends who have "true believer" syndrome. At least now people can see you for what you are and be more careful in the future with just believing any negative accusation without discerning the facts.

The mess you've made will come back to haunt you for many, many lifetimes until you take FULL responsibility for the error of your ways.



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Tigrett on camera has said that he wouldn't be surprised at all if the molestation charges are true. No denial there!!!!

Just because somebody gives away millions doesn't mean they are geniuses. Check their background first.

Making death threats? Tigrett confirming sexual abuse allegations? Poor Sanjay! These are his ridiculous defences. And when it comes to "gay and girly" Gods, the Bhaktivedanta Manor marble deities that Sanjay bows to and worships as God Incarnate are the very embodiment of "gay and girly"!

See For Yourself.

Sanjay, keep up your drunken clown act. You are making everyone laugh. You are making an utter absurdity out of the Anti-Sai Movement. Good job! lol

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Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:23 AM
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Yeah right dud boy aka Ekantik, I believe that like I believe you actually have a brain or could tell the truth if your life depended on it.

Not only that but you are sounding more and more like a paranoid schizophrenic with all your babble about death threats.

Unless you have a DOCTOR (other than Bhatia who discredits himself and cannot be considered reliable due to his many contradictions) who can confirm the alleged story about the boy you have NOTHING. Got that air for brains or do you need a picture? Pathetic how stupid and criminally-minded you people are.


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Oh and by the way, we also don't care if Bhatia still thinks Sai Baba is God. That is his problem, not ours. :-) If he wants to tell the world that he had a sexual relationship with "God", that's none of our business. We only cite this as proof that Sai Baba is sexually active. :-)

Bhatia wrote his book before he confessed to the Telegraph. Oh yes, and we know a few things about Tigrett too. But we can't reveal them because he may sue us, he is really rather rich, ya know! :-) But I will agree with him that he knows exactly what he is talking about. :-)

Oh dear, it's still looking very bad for the girly gay gaandu... I have more pictures of him dressed as a girly gay that I haven't released yet. Wanna see? :-)

Ooh dear, not only are the off-wiki attacks getting more aggressive, but Joe108 aka SSS108 aka GERALD 'JOE' MORENO now appears to be making death threats. Tsk tsk.

It's pretty lame trying to use my words against me when I was a devotee. Of course I have no proof that Bhatia molested women since I never caught him in the act. However, I still have documented proof that these stories were being passed around. This documente dproof came to me from a devotee, when I was still a devotee! So tough luck, Bhatia has been the victim of a vicious slander campaign that has no basis in fact.

And what the heck is Lisa aka C02000 aka Freelanceresearch the twit talking about? Several former devotees have personally communicated with Bhatia whereby he confirmed that the anal-raped boy was not 7 years old but in the 7th grade. Big wow, like a few years makes a big difference when Sexy Swami gets out his Sexy Schlong and puts it where it doesn't belong?

We do not care if Joe108 or his partner-in-crime Lisa believe these things, they are not people of importance. We also do not care if they don't believe Mick Brown (Daily Telegraph reporter), who also can corroborate these details after having personally spoken with him. Mick Brown is a regular columnist and reputable journalist, not you sideshow freaks. Tough luck.

Even Isaac Tigrett has confirmed that Sai baba puts his bits where they don't belong, this is the proof.

Tigrett even says that he wouldn't care if "Swami" murdered anyone in front of his own eyes. On a worldwide-broadcasted world-class TV documentary too, ooh dear. Tsk Tsk. What more proof do you need that something is seriously wrong with this brainwashed cult when they have watchdogs like Moreno and De Witt as public spokespersons with their heads thoroughly buried deep int he sand? :-)

Edited by author 12-17-2006 02:49 AM
Alas, Sanjay Dadlani's (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") great "proof" is a link to the ExBaba site that has over a thousand links! Pathetic.

Sanjay flip-flops so often, he is like a fish out of water just waiting to die. Sanjay said:

"Please forgive me Were you present when Dr. Bhatia sexually harassed female doctors, as alleged? No. If not, do you give any credence to this (hearsay) allegation? Why or why not? Yes. Why? Why because I caught him alone in a room with a lady doctor when I went to his department for a blood donation. You should have seen him jump! So when I heard the rumours that he was complained against for harassment, really I was not surprised" (Ref)

"Now: WHO is this child? Is he still there? WHICH two doctors of the hospital examined him? I trust they are still employed? What leads one to think that it was BHATIA who wrote the article, after all the entire testimony is given by an anonymous individual. Why would Bhatia say such things? You do know that he was thrown out of the ashram because of sexual harassment complaints against him by female doctors? You knew that right?" (Ref)

Then Sanjay argued that Bhatia did not molest women and claimed:

"Bhatia did NOT molest women in the hospital he worked in. This is a typical propaganda lie put out by the Sai organisation and, unlike certain people, I have DOCUMENTED PROOF of it. In fact, I'm looking at it right now, LOL. :-)" (Ref)

Say what? Sanjay first argued that Bhatia did molest women and claimed he almost even caught Bhatia in the act. Then Sanjay argued that Bhatia's molestation of women was a "typical propaganda lie put out by the Sai Organization". Don't you just love it when Sanjay calls himself a liar? Sanjay also said he had "DOCUMENTED PROOF" right in front of him. Now Sanjay tells us that the truth is located on the exbaba site (no link provided). Liar!

Sanjay said:

"Whassamatta Joe-boo-boo? No one to lookee-wookee at your sitey-witeys?"

What's wrong Sanjay? Been watching your Looney Tunes and pretending you are Tweety Bird again? rofl

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Sanjay, why don't you ever stop playing your idiotic little mind games? Only the ignorant and brain dead will fall for your evasive maneuverings. If you are talking about David Bailey's alleged quote from Dr. Bhatia you must be joking! David Bailey is an unreliable SECOND HAND source who quoted the ANONYMOUS letter about Bhatia and it looks like Priddy and others then took that info and put it on their web sites claiming Bailey quoted Bhatia directly! Why can't Bhatia speak for himself? Anybody who uses Bailey as a source needs their head examined.

I think it's funny that Priddy put such an incriminating document on his site which points to the fact that Dr. Bhatia was using the hospital's name to commit some kind of illicit scheme!

Saibabaexposed aka Sanjay Dadlani is ALWAYS sniping about how devotees are liars except for when he wants to use them to smear Sai Baba. In Bhatia's alleged phone interview with Mick Brown, Bhatia said he still believed Sai Baba was God! Dr. Bhatia even went so far as to write a book about his experiences with Sai Baba.
One reviewer on amazon.com wrote,

"This book is most interesting; the part that I like most is where Dr Bhatia asks for the golden pen of Baba's he sees in the dream and asks for it, wherein Baba says 'you greedy fellow' and when he awakes - lo! there's the golden pen on his bed still dripping the ink!"

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Book Description
Dr. Bhatia's devotion to God illuminates the pages of this spiritual autobiography. As head of the blood bank at Sathya Sai Baba's Super Specialty Hospital, he has had frequent conversations and experiences that bring Sai Baba's love and grandeur to the reader as few other books have done. Dr. Bhatia has witnessed many breathtaking divine cures of disease which he knew, as a talented physician, lay far beyond the knowledge and skill of the medical profession. What inspires the reader is the author's love of his great master and his sincere understanding of the bhakthi path of love and service to mankind.


And it doesn't matter what Tigrett "says," we've been over this before but Dudlani continues to beat a dead horse because he is desperate. Tigrett was never a witness to any alleged events. Tigrett has ONLY always talked about his miraculous experiences with Sai Baba. There is more incriminating evidence regarding your perversions (/m272) than there are of anything else dud boy so don't forget it.



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Edited by author 12-16-2006 10:51 PM
So not only is Joe108 a liar but he is blind as well. I already said that the proof is on Exbaba and Joe knows it too. I also addressed this topic fully in SSB2 and Joe never responded to it. Talk about diversion..

And what about Isaac Tigrett's statement? No response to that? I wonder why. :-)

And talk about desperate link-spamming. :-) Whassamatta Joe-boo-boo? No one to lookee-wookee at your sitey-witeys? :-)

Typical Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED") diversion tactics. Notice Sanjay provided no proof? Tsk Tsk :-)

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Tony, they have no facts about us so they have to rely on lies. :-) What makes me laugh is the way their deranged minds add up 2 + 2 and come up with 22! :-)

My my, such aggressive off-wiki attacks! Tsk tsk. :-) No wonder I have given up trying to drill facts into the thick skulls of Sai Baba's devoted dunderheads.

The proof of Bhatia's statement is on ExBaba.Com which, as I already said, Joe108 has ignored and lied about to suit his own purposes. Just one small problem, ignoring something doesn't erase it's presence. :-) And secondly, we do not care of Joe or Lisa accept this evidence. They do not even accept the fact that Isaac Tigrett confirmed that the reports of molestation are true. What more "proof" do you need, duh?

No wonder everyone is laughing..

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Too funny to hear conscienceless O'Clery the hypocrite supreme whine after all the lies he tells and thinks nothing of it. Not to mention Tony has relatives he visits in Ireland so could very well put anything he wants on a profile, especially when the conscienceless blob writes under other usernames and lies about that too.

Tony you, like so many anti-Sais, are a sewerbrained pervert who needs help. Too bad you can't see it like anyone else with brains can.

You get rid of one pervert from the anti-Sai crowd and another one pops up. Hate groups like them are like a hydra.


Ah yes, I think we should continue to look at the very dubious connection between Premanand and usedbybaba to find out if they are one and the same trickster propagating lies through numerous anonymous names on the internet.

When Premanand claims he received letters from students alleging molestation, instead of turning that supposed information over to the police (the mandatory reporting the anti-Sais continually give only lip service to) so law enforcement could investigate, Premanand instead writes a letter to the Vice Chancellor demanding the Vice Chancellor let him question students and then makes money off of the alleged info by publishing numerous articles in his skeptic newsletter (and even demands the Vice Chancellor put copies of it in the students library)! Is this the behavior of a citizen who REALLY cares whether students are being molested? Premanand has done absolutely NOTHING to prove sexual abuse by Sai Baba. All Premanand has done is use the anonymous info for YEARS in his campaign to make money smearing Sai Baba. In other words, Premanand has taken the rationalists for a ride on a circuitous journey leading straight back to Premanand's pocketbook. As they say in the investigative field, follow the money.


So we should take a VERY careful look at just WHO is helping Premanand with his smear campaign which is set up to mint money through propaganda.
 



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joe gerardo 'mentira' moreno, keep pushing the lie that I was a stormfront member. Any idiot can see I wasn't born on Ireland and my father was an educationalist my mother an office worker. So the bio of this cas is way off and jose knows this, but proves again the basic dishonesty of sai devotees on the net. It is true they quoted a pro secular article that I wrote.

Show us your proof Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). After all, you are all for supplying "proof". No second hand accounts. No rumors. No anonymous and confidential accounts. PROOF! Do it or shut up :-)

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Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:42 AM
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Are you braindead or what saibabaexposed? Dr. Bhatia has NEVER mentioned this incident! It was in a ANONYMOUS posting on a message board! YOU people are so DUMB it is criminal. And there is absolutely NO proof Mick Brown actually even talked to Bhatia on the phone for the Downfall article since it could have been ANYBODY. We see how EASILY Mick Brown was duped by the Rahms! I guess that's what happens when you let a school drop out become a journalist. The same pattern of stupidity is repeated with Premanand the drop out's supposed journalism.



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Funny how Joe has to link to the Yahoogroup posting on his site, because the same post on SSB2 would reveal my reply to his speculations. In essence, he claims that the story of the raped 7-year-old/7th grader is a lie and basically claims that the story is cooked up. He has no answer for the fact that Bhatia himself confirmed the issue of the boy's age in a later communication.

Thus, Joe108 is still lying even after I brought out all these facts. Tough.

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Just goes to show what a filthy mind Tony has that he would even