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Topic: Sathya Sai Baba 2005: Who Is He?
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Sai Baba EXPOSED!Person was signed in when posted  1539
12-16-2006 10:16 PM ET (US)
My my, such aggressive off-wiki attacks! Tsk tsk. :-) No wonder I have given up trying to drill facts into the thick skulls of Sai Baba's devoted dunderheads.

The proof of Bhatia's statement is on ExBaba.Com which, as I already said, Joe108 has ignored and lied about to suit his own purposes. Just one small problem, ignoring something doesn't erase it's presence. :-) And secondly, we do not care of Joe or Lisa accept this evidence. They do not even accept the fact that Isaac Tigrett confirmed that the reports of molestation are true. What more "proof" do you need, duh?

No wonder everyone is laughing..
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1538
12-16-2006 05:56 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:54 AM
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Too funny to hear conscienceless O'Clery the hypocrite supreme whine after all the lies he tells and thinks nothing of it. Not to mention Tony has relatives he visits in Ireland so could very well put anything he wants on a profile, especially when the conscienceless blob writes under other usernames and lies about that too.

Tony you, like so many anti-Sais, are a sewerbrained pervert who needs help. Too bad you can't see it like anyone else with brains can.

You get rid of one pervert from the anti-Sai crowd and another one pops up. Hate groups like them are like a hydra.


Ah yes, I think we should continue to look at the very dubious connection between Premanand and usedbybaba to find out if they are one and the same trickster propagating lies through numerous anonymous names on the internet.

When Premanand claims he received letters from students alleging molestation, instead of turning that supposed information over to the police (the mandatory reporting the anti-Sais continually give only lip service to) so law enforcement could investigate, Premanand instead writes a letter to the Vice Chancellor demanding the Vice Chancellor let him question students and then makes money off of the alleged info by publishing numerous articles in his skeptic newsletter (and even demands the Vice Chancellor put copies of it in the students library)! Is this the behavior of a citizen who REALLY cares whether students are being molested? Premanand has done absolutely NOTHING to prove sexual abuse by Sai Baba. All Premanand has done is use the anonymous info for YEARS in his campaign to make money smearing Sai Baba. In other words, Premanand has taken the rationalists for a ride on a circuitous journey leading straight back to Premanand's pocketbook. As they say in the investigative field, follow the money.


So we should take a VERY careful look at just WHO is helping Premanand with his smear campaign which is set up to mint money through propaganda.
 



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tony o'clery  1537
12-16-2006 03:00 PM ET (US)
joe gerardo 'mentira' moreno, keep pushing the lie that I was a stormfront member. Any idiot can see I wasn't born on Ireland and my father was an educationalist my mother an office worker. So the bio of this cas is way off and jose knows this, but proves again the basic dishonesty of sai devotees on the net. It is true they quoted a pro secular article that I wrote.
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1536
12-16-2006 02:15 AM ET (US)
Show us your proof Sanjay Dadlani (aka "Sai Baba EXPOSED"). After all, you are all for supplying "proof". No second hand accounts. No rumors. No anonymous and confidential accounts. PROOF! Do it or shut up :-)

CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1535
12-16-2006 02:05 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:42 AM
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Are you braindead or what saibabaexposed? Dr. Bhatia has NEVER mentioned this incident! It was in a ANONYMOUS posting on a message board! YOU people are so DUMB it is criminal. And there is absolutely NO proof Mick Brown actually even talked to Bhatia on the phone for the Downfall article since it could have been ANYBODY. We see how EASILY Mick Brown was duped by the Rahms! I guess that's what happens when you let a school drop out become a journalist. The same pattern of stupidity is repeated with Premanand the drop out's supposed journalism.



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Sai Baba EXPOSED!Person was signed in when posted  1534
12-15-2006 07:02 PM ET (US)
Funny how Joe has to link to the Yahoogroup posting on his site, because the same post on SSB2 would reveal my reply to his speculations. In essence, he claims that the story of the raped 7-year-old/7th grader is a lie and basically claims that the story is cooked up. He has no answer for the fact that Bhatia himself confirmed the issue of the boy's age in a later communication.

Thus, Joe108 is still lying even after I brought out all these facts. Tough.
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1533
12-15-2006 06:24 PM ET (US)
/m1531

Just goes to show what a filthy mind Tony has that he would even think such things. In fact, I would suspect it was Tony who wrote that sociopathic trash. It fits his sewerbrain to a "T".
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1532
12-15-2006 05:12 PM ET (US)
Here goes Tony Bologna O'Clery telling his pathological lies again. The anonymous and alleged story of a 7th grade student being sexually abused is unverfiable, unsubstantiated and has no proof to support it whatsoever. This has already been discussed before: Click Here To View Former Yahoo-Group Post.

Tony O'Clery  1531
12-15-2006 11:46 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 12-15-2006 11:48 AM
This story sounds like sb ripping the arse of a seventh grader, and Dr Bhattia having to treat him for it. Seems sb gets into rapacious sexual frenzies sometimes, as the Rakshasa manifests. Maybe sb was a friend of the Marquis de Sade in a former life.
Marquis de Sade  1530
12-13-2006 02:26 PM ET (US)
Bum-Cleaver lugged a club so amusingly shaped it was nearly impossible for him to perform an embuggery without splitting the ass, whence came the name he bore. The head of his prick resembled the heart of an ox, it was eight and three-eights inches around; behind it, the shaft measured only eight, but was crooked and had such a curve it neatly tore the anus when penetrating it, and this quality, very precious to libertines as jaded as ours, had made him singularly sought after.
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1529
12-08-2006 11:32 PM ET (US)
/m1527

Dream on Tony the "true believer." The only reputations that are being destroyed are those of incessant liars like you. And rightly so.

Tony preaches ahimsa but his actions show otherwise.
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1528
12-08-2006 08:53 PM ET (US)
Tony O'Clery  1527
12-08-2006 11:39 AM ET (US)
I'm working on a screen play for the book. The exposure of this sinister baba in the book is better done this way as 'fiction'. As a movie it will destroy the reputations of these despicable perverted frauds like sai baba.
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1526
12-08-2006 05:03 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:50 AM
/m1518

What law says the Avatar HAS to heal himself (to prove to your ego He is God), when he is not dependent on form to begin with? Krishna didn't heal himself and died from an arrow wound. And you claim to be an expert on Hinduism? Piffle.

Your problem is you just CANNOT think outside the box of your own idiocy. This is what happens when you have "true believer" syndrome. No matter how much evidence is presented to you that you do not know what you are talking about you just can't seem to get it because you continue to trip over your big ol' ego.


And we've already established by posting links to your past filthy-mouthed quotes just WHO the perverts are. You are sewerbrain supreme with your disgusting potty mouth sex talk which I'm sure is not confined to the internet.

I hate to torture anyone but people need to understand the kind of filth that oozes out of this pervert's brain. Tony needs a 12 step program from Perverts Anonymous.

Here are some of his quotes:

"I was holding the candle but he liked the shape, so he grabbed it and stuck it up his arse."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibab...onclub/message/4559


"Hi there,
Stand in front of the mirror masturbating and think of sb, really think hard about him doing fellatio on you. You will first notice a big pair of rubber lips appearing in the astral then sb will be with
you, inviting you to pn so you can be anally penetrated."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24890


"So now pull your pants down and let god do fellatio and anal penetration on you with his golden lingam."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24911


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CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1525
12-07-2006 09:52 PM ET (US)


Sex, Lies and Anti-Sais
by Lisa De Witt
©2004Lisa De Witt

In Tal Brooke's book, "Lord of the Air," Brooke relates a story about a mysterious seventeen year old Anglo-Indian named
Patrick who claimed the famous holy man, Sai Baba took his semen and put it in a handerchief for use in black magic rituals. Like so many of the anti-Sai stories, this one too is shrouded in secrecy. Only those
trusted in the "in-crowd" seem to be allowed to contact the accuser with
regard to this incident which is alleged to have happened some thirty years ago. Barry Pittard claims that Bob Lowenberg investigated and wrote about this story and yet there is no documentation supporting Pittard's assertion and Mr. Lowenberg, who has written four pro-Sai Baba books, appears to still be a devotee.

Like so many of the anti-Sai stories upon close examination, the facts do not seem to match the rhetoric. One would think that if the anti-Sais had as much supporting documention as they claim, it would be easily available and consistent. For a group who claims to want to prove their case the
anti-Sais seem to put obstructions at every turn.

More recently, Tony O'Clery began touting more unsubstantiated stories regarding Sai Baba's alleged fascination with semen and black magic. O'Clery claimed Dan Winter was the resident expert on the subject. Upon typing Dan Winter's name into the search engine, we find out Dan Winter has been sued for plagiarizing the
copyrighted property of a Jewish physicist named Tenen and owes $140,000 in financial damages, with future lawsuits in the works. Not only that, but Winter is a wanted fugitive for disobeying the court directive and is currently in hiding although he is still making money doing seminars using Tenen's plagiarized material. Mr. Winter has a network of friends who are aiding and abetting him in his illegal endeavors. Tony O'Clery went into hiding after I first broke this story.

According to court documents, Dan Winter had made many anti-semitic statements toward Mr. Tenen. Winter's business
associate, Melchizedik, also threatened Mr. Tenen with satanic retribution if he didn't leave Mr. Winter alone. Sometime back, I posted information regarding the
purported anti-semitic connections between Duncan Roads of Nexus
Magazine, David Icke, and New Dawn Magazine. As it turns out, New Dawn
Magazine did an interview with Dan Winter in 2002 and David Icke has published some of Dan Winter's material. One might assume it is more than coincidence that all these 'things' just happen to be connected.

After reading Mr. Winter's postings on zayra.de, it became apparent to me that Dan Winter is schizophrenic. Unsurprisingly, his meaningless
ramblings include many references to reptiles, semen and bliss. It is no
wonder why Mr. Winter was motivated to plagiarize Tenen's material. It is a
surprise however that Icke and New Dawn Magazine are promoting Winter as
an expert in anything when it is clear to me he is nothing short of a fraud. Are they really that daft or is there something more sinister going on here regarding Winter's backers?


References:

Winter/Melchizedik Satanic Connection:
http://www.danwinter.com/DM0492.html

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David Icke Promotes Dan Winter:
http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol5/winter.html

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Dan Winter's OWN writing:
http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/seemen/index.html
"...physics tells us why laws against hugging
prevent rain:..." "The photon donut's converging side tilt is calibrated by the phase angle measuring cone, which physics naively labels RED. Sometimes I see RED I
am so angry that they refuse to teach the kids that what they are naming is the CONverging PRINCIPLE itself.(Try tilting
the phi flame letter on the 7 color moebius photon donut - to adom: hiburu for red, and check your spin path.) The ADAMic race became Adomic with the atomic race. How much can we make separate:
shall we live in apart meants. Let's build an
adom smasher." "I am glad others have measured the quantity of their semen
which enters the spine tailings and pumps during kundalini... soon we shall refine how to taste good QUALITY hygiene when you do. (Belly up to the bar for your Ozone enema... only kidding/optional .. see Twinking Eyes Lifestyle at Nourished by Spin Hygiene for Ecstatic Lifestyle link below...)"

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Dan Winter's Bio
and Interview w/New Dawn:
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/A_...with_DAN_WINTER.htm

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1998-Corrective
Notice by Daniel E. Winter:
http://www.danwinter.com/corrnote.html

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2001-REWARD
Meru Foundation is offering substantial rewards and "finders' fees" for information that leads to the collection of the $140,000 in court costs and interest owed to it by Mr.
Daniel E. Winter. If you have done business with Mr. Winter, or have information with regard to his business and/or business partners, please contact reward@danwinter.com for further
information. Meru Foundation is also accumulating evidence for possible future
legal action (US and world-wide) with regard to Mr. Winter's (and those acting with and for him) new plagiarism and disparagement. If you have purchased copies of Mr. Winter's illicit works, if you have attended presentations by Mr.
Winter, or those working with and for him, or if you have other first-hand knowledge or physical evidence of the new -- and quite
obvious --works of plagiarism and disparagement, please contact
action@danwinter.com.
 
Dear Friends,
www.danwinter.com has been transferred to the Plaintiffs, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and Meru Foundation, by order of Hon. Judge Charles J. Siragusa, of the US Federal District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester.
The Court has taken this action because Mr. Winter has refused to respond to the Court. He has refused to show up for hearings, for depositions, and to show cause why he should not continue to be held in contempt of court for his many violations of the Court's orders. This is
not a matter of censorship. There is an arrest warrant for Mr. Winter filed with the United States Federal Marshals' Service, and he is a fugitive. It is the Court's way of using its discretionary powers to encourage Mr. Winter to appear in Court in the United States, and for deposition, as he has been ordered to do. The idea is to get Mr. Winter's attention, not to censor him. (The three most recent Court
Orders, listed and linked to below, make this clear.) For the time being, this website includes an index of posted documents, the Court's orders including Mr. Winter's Corrective Notice, a list of copyright-violating works, and excerpts from related sworn depositions and affidavits by
recognized professionals, who are either expert witnesses or eyewitnesses. We are planning to address Mr. Winter in an open
letter, to be posted here in the near future. In the meantime, we ask all of those who are interested in the ideas that have brought them to this site to read
the index and summaries listed below. It is very important that everyone understand the most important issue is not a matter of property, or slander. Nor is it a matter of Mr. Winter's admitted plagiarism, and willful and malicious behavior. The most
important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he
is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political,
personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was
untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference." This is the reason why you
should consider informing yourself about the facts. The problem is not that Mr.
Winter is selling stolen goods. That is a
problem, but it's not the worst problem. The problem is that when you open the metaphoric box of ideas that Mr. Winter is always advertising, the box is empty, or
full of things that are untrue. Mr. Winter is
not "liberating secrets". It is as if he is selling stolen cars that don't even have
engines. (Metaphorically, of course --
thankfully, Mr. Winter is not actually selling
cars.) Also, by admitting -- bragging -- that
"my audiences are too stupid to know the difference," Mr. Winter is expressing contempt for his own audiences. This
is not science. This is quackery. Mr. Winter has no credentials. He has no publications. He has no colleagues. His representations of accomplishments are false, and his reputation is that of a con artist. Mr. Winter's victims are his audience. That is why he has such contempt for his audience. This is why honest, caring people who are interested in the topics Mr. Winter discusses should turn their backs on him, and go instead to the honestly-presented original sources of the research. If you have any influence on Mr. Winter, or any
interest in helping him, then we ask you to help him to keep the promises he made, and to honor the court's orders. And finally, there should be no doubt of who is telling the truth here, because in fact,
the first order posted here, entitled Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order which the court issued as an Order
after reviewing the evidence, was actually composed by Mr. Winter and the attorney he hired. In other words, the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order is Mr. Winter's personal admission of guilt and responsibility. Mr. Winter and his attorney -- in order to conclude the lawsuit -- swore
before the Court that Mr. Winter was effectively an impostor, that he had plagiarized and bastardized the works of Stan Tenen and the Meru Foundation, that he had acted willfully and maliciously, and all the rest of it. So when you are reading the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order, you are reading Mr. Winter's
statement, and Mr. Winter's side of the story. Mr. Winter's unsworn statements which he now makes in public are his way of attempting to discount what he
admitted to in Court. These statements are not under oath, and these statements were not reviewed by an impartial US Federal Court judge. Thankfully, we enjoy freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to lie. The facts are what was sworn to and
reviewed by the court. Please help all those who care about these issues to understand the facts.
One further thought. Dishonest people, and people who enjoy hurting others -- like Mr. Winter -- count on the fact that the vast majority of healthy, caring,
well-intended people are not suspicious by
nature, and accept what they are told at face value. This is good. Decent, caring people should not have to be suspicious, and should not need to double-check every claim that is made. But unfortunately, this means that decent,
caring people, young and old, students and professionals, are easily deceived by people like Mr. Winter, who go to so much trouble to deceive them. No one who has been taken in by Mr. Winter's claims should feel
badly. This is not anything to be ashamed of. The fact is that even the best informed and most careful people can be deceived by a determined liar.
Please, if you did not immediately realize the truth about Mr. Winter and his claims, do not feel foolish, and please be respectful and understanding to other caring people when you speak with them. That's the golden rule.

If you have any questions, or need further
information, please contact us via email:
dwinter@sprynet.com .

Yours truly,

Board of Directors,
Meru Foundation
http://www.danwinter.com/index.html
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1524
12-07-2006 09:07 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:40 AM
/m1514

Tony O'Clery should certainly be investigated for his DOCUMENTED and dubious connections to right wing extremists such as David Icke. Tony O'Clery is a hatemonger supreme.



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