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CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1529
12-08-2006 11:32 PM ET (US)
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Dream on Tony the "true believer." The only reputations that are being destroyed are those of incessant liars like you. And rightly so.

Tony preaches ahimsa but his actions show otherwise.
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1528
12-08-2006 08:53 PM ET (US)
Tony O'Clery  1527
12-08-2006 11:39 AM ET (US)
I'm working on a screen play for the book. The exposure of this sinister baba in the book is better done this way as 'fiction'. As a movie it will destroy the reputations of these despicable perverted frauds like sai baba.
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1526
12-08-2006 05:03 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:50 AM
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What law says the Avatar HAS to heal himself (to prove to your ego He is God), when he is not dependent on form to begin with? Krishna didn't heal himself and died from an arrow wound. And you claim to be an expert on Hinduism? Piffle.

Your problem is you just CANNOT think outside the box of your own idiocy. This is what happens when you have "true believer" syndrome. No matter how much evidence is presented to you that you do not know what you are talking about you just can't seem to get it because you continue to trip over your big ol' ego.


And we've already established by posting links to your past filthy-mouthed quotes just WHO the perverts are. You are sewerbrain supreme with your disgusting potty mouth sex talk which I'm sure is not confined to the internet.

I hate to torture anyone but people need to understand the kind of filth that oozes out of this pervert's brain. Tony needs a 12 step program from Perverts Anonymous.

Here are some of his quotes:

"I was holding the candle but he liked the shape, so he grabbed it and stuck it up his arse."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibab...onclub/message/4559


"Hi there,
Stand in front of the mirror masturbating and think of sb, really think hard about him doing fellatio on you. You will first notice a big pair of rubber lips appearing in the astral then sb will be with
you, inviting you to pn so you can be anally penetrated."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24890


"So now pull your pants down and let god do fellatio and anal penetration on you with his golden lingam."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sathyasaibaba2/message/24911


Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1525
12-07-2006 09:52 PM ET (US)


Sex, Lies and Anti-Sais
by Lisa De Witt
©2004Lisa De Witt

In Tal Brooke's book, "Lord of the Air," Brooke relates a story about a mysterious seventeen year old Anglo-Indian named
Patrick who claimed the famous holy man, Sai Baba took his semen and put it in a handerchief for use in black magic rituals. Like so many of the anti-Sai stories, this one too is shrouded in secrecy. Only those
trusted in the "in-crowd" seem to be allowed to contact the accuser with
regard to this incident which is alleged to have happened some thirty years ago. Barry Pittard claims that Bob Lowenberg investigated and wrote about this story and yet there is no documentation supporting Pittard's assertion and Mr. Lowenberg, who has written four pro-Sai Baba books, appears to still be a devotee.

Like so many of the anti-Sai stories upon close examination, the facts do not seem to match the rhetoric. One would think that if the anti-Sais had as much supporting documention as they claim, it would be easily available and consistent. For a group who claims to want to prove their case the
anti-Sais seem to put obstructions at every turn.

More recently, Tony O'Clery began touting more unsubstantiated stories regarding Sai Baba's alleged fascination with semen and black magic. O'Clery claimed Dan Winter was the resident expert on the subject. Upon typing Dan Winter's name into the search engine, we find out Dan Winter has been sued for plagiarizing the
copyrighted property of a Jewish physicist named Tenen and owes $140,000 in financial damages, with future lawsuits in the works. Not only that, but Winter is a wanted fugitive for disobeying the court directive and is currently in hiding although he is still making money doing seminars using Tenen's plagiarized material. Mr. Winter has a network of friends who are aiding and abetting him in his illegal endeavors. Tony O'Clery went into hiding after I first broke this story.

According to court documents, Dan Winter had made many anti-semitic statements toward Mr. Tenen. Winter's business
associate, Melchizedik, also threatened Mr. Tenen with satanic retribution if he didn't leave Mr. Winter alone. Sometime back, I posted information regarding the
purported anti-semitic connections between Duncan Roads of Nexus
Magazine, David Icke, and New Dawn Magazine. As it turns out, New Dawn
Magazine did an interview with Dan Winter in 2002 and David Icke has published some of Dan Winter's material. One might assume it is more than coincidence that all these 'things' just happen to be connected.

After reading Mr. Winter's postings on zayra.de, it became apparent to me that Dan Winter is schizophrenic. Unsurprisingly, his meaningless
ramblings include many references to reptiles, semen and bliss. It is no
wonder why Mr. Winter was motivated to plagiarize Tenen's material. It is a
surprise however that Icke and New Dawn Magazine are promoting Winter as
an expert in anything when it is clear to me he is nothing short of a fraud. Are they really that daft or is there something more sinister going on here regarding Winter's backers?


References:

Winter/Melchizedik Satanic Connection:
http://www.danwinter.com/DM0492.html

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David Icke Promotes Dan Winter:
http://www.davidicke.net/emagazine/vol5/winter.html

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Dan Winter's OWN writing:
http://www.zayra.de/soulcom/seemen/index.html
"...physics tells us why laws against hugging
prevent rain:..." "The photon donut's converging side tilt is calibrated by the phase angle measuring cone, which physics naively labels RED. Sometimes I see RED I
am so angry that they refuse to teach the kids that what they are naming is the CONverging PRINCIPLE itself.(Try tilting
the phi flame letter on the 7 color moebius photon donut - to adom: hiburu for red, and check your spin path.) The ADAMic race became Adomic with the atomic race. How much can we make separate:
shall we live in apart meants. Let's build an
adom smasher." "I am glad others have measured the quantity of their semen
which enters the spine tailings and pumps during kundalini... soon we shall refine how to taste good QUALITY hygiene when you do. (Belly up to the bar for your Ozone enema... only kidding/optional .. see Twinking Eyes Lifestyle at Nourished by Spin Hygiene for Ecstatic Lifestyle link below...)"

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Dan Winter's Bio
and Interview w/New Dawn:
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/A_...with_DAN_WINTER.htm

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1998-Corrective
Notice by Daniel E. Winter:
http://www.danwinter.com/corrnote.html

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2001-REWARD
Meru Foundation is offering substantial rewards and "finders' fees" for information that leads to the collection of the $140,000 in court costs and interest owed to it by Mr.
Daniel E. Winter. If you have done business with Mr. Winter, or have information with regard to his business and/or business partners, please contact reward@danwinter.com for further
information. Meru Foundation is also accumulating evidence for possible future
legal action (US and world-wide) with regard to Mr. Winter's (and those acting with and for him) new plagiarism and disparagement. If you have purchased copies of Mr. Winter's illicit works, if you have attended presentations by Mr.
Winter, or those working with and for him, or if you have other first-hand knowledge or physical evidence of the new -- and quite
obvious --works of plagiarism and disparagement, please contact
action@danwinter.com.
 
Dear Friends,
www.danwinter.com has been transferred to the Plaintiffs, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and Meru Foundation, by order of Hon. Judge Charles J. Siragusa, of the US Federal District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester.
The Court has taken this action because Mr. Winter has refused to respond to the Court. He has refused to show up for hearings, for depositions, and to show cause why he should not continue to be held in contempt of court for his many violations of the Court's orders. This is
not a matter of censorship. There is an arrest warrant for Mr. Winter filed with the United States Federal Marshals' Service, and he is a fugitive. It is the Court's way of using its discretionary powers to encourage Mr. Winter to appear in Court in the United States, and for deposition, as he has been ordered to do. The idea is to get Mr. Winter's attention, not to censor him. (The three most recent Court
Orders, listed and linked to below, make this clear.) For the time being, this website includes an index of posted documents, the Court's orders including Mr. Winter's Corrective Notice, a list of copyright-violating works, and excerpts from related sworn depositions and affidavits by
recognized professionals, who are either expert witnesses or eyewitnesses. We are planning to address Mr. Winter in an open
letter, to be posted here in the near future. In the meantime, we ask all of those who are interested in the ideas that have brought them to this site to read
the index and summaries listed below. It is very important that everyone understand the most important issue is not a matter of property, or slander. Nor is it a matter of Mr. Winter's admitted plagiarism, and willful and malicious behavior. The most
important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he
is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political,
personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was
untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference." This is the reason why you
should consider informing yourself about the facts. The problem is not that Mr.
Winter is selling stolen goods. That is a
problem, but it's not the worst problem. The problem is that when you open the metaphoric box of ideas that Mr. Winter is always advertising, the box is empty, or
full of things that are untrue. Mr. Winter is
not "liberating secrets". It is as if he is selling stolen cars that don't even have
engines. (Metaphorically, of course --
thankfully, Mr. Winter is not actually selling
cars.) Also, by admitting -- bragging -- that
"my audiences are too stupid to know the difference," Mr. Winter is expressing contempt for his own audiences. This
is not science. This is quackery. Mr. Winter has no credentials. He has no publications. He has no colleagues. His representations of accomplishments are false, and his reputation is that of a con artist. Mr. Winter's victims are his audience. That is why he has such contempt for his audience. This is why honest, caring people who are interested in the topics Mr. Winter discusses should turn their backs on him, and go instead to the honestly-presented original sources of the research. If you have any influence on Mr. Winter, or any
interest in helping him, then we ask you to help him to keep the promises he made, and to honor the court's orders. And finally, there should be no doubt of who is telling the truth here, because in fact,
the first order posted here, entitled Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order which the court issued as an Order
after reviewing the evidence, was actually composed by Mr. Winter and the attorney he hired. In other words, the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order is Mr. Winter's personal admission of guilt and responsibility. Mr. Winter and his attorney -- in order to conclude the lawsuit -- swore
before the Court that Mr. Winter was effectively an impostor, that he had plagiarized and bastardized the works of Stan Tenen and the Meru Foundation, that he had acted willfully and maliciously, and all the rest of it. So when you are reading the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order, you are reading Mr. Winter's
statement, and Mr. Winter's side of the story. Mr. Winter's unsworn statements which he now makes in public are his way of attempting to discount what he
admitted to in Court. These statements are not under oath, and these statements were not reviewed by an impartial US Federal Court judge. Thankfully, we enjoy freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to lie. The facts are what was sworn to and
reviewed by the court. Please help all those who care about these issues to understand the facts.
One further thought. Dishonest people, and people who enjoy hurting others -- like Mr. Winter -- count on the fact that the vast majority of healthy, caring,
well-intended people are not suspicious by
nature, and accept what they are told at face value. This is good. Decent, caring people should not have to be suspicious, and should not need to double-check every claim that is made. But unfortunately, this means that decent,
caring people, young and old, students and professionals, are easily deceived by people like Mr. Winter, who go to so much trouble to deceive them. No one who has been taken in by Mr. Winter's claims should feel
badly. This is not anything to be ashamed of. The fact is that even the best informed and most careful people can be deceived by a determined liar.
Please, if you did not immediately realize the truth about Mr. Winter and his claims, do not feel foolish, and please be respectful and understanding to other caring people when you speak with them. That's the golden rule.

If you have any questions, or need further
information, please contact us via email:
dwinter@sprynet.com .

Yours truly,

Board of Directors,
Meru Foundation
http://www.danwinter.com/index.html
CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1524
12-07-2006 09:07 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-24-2008 03:40 AM
/m1514

Tony O'Clery should certainly be investigated for his DOCUMENTED and dubious connections to right wing extremists such as David Icke. Tony O'Clery is a hatemonger supreme.



Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba
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12-07-2006 08:53 PM ET (US)
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CO2000Person was signed in when posted  1522
12-07-2006 08:41 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 03-01-2007 03:51 AM
/m1520

Tony O'Clery is a blatant liar as I was the one who initially discovered his uses of different usernames, pretending to be other people.Tony's another one like usedbybaba who thinks lying is cute and playing with peoples lives is a big game.

Tony may not live in Ireland but he visits there (he has stated on his westminster site that his mother lives in Ireland) as well as the UK and Australia and has been known to put other countries on his profiles while pretending to be others. When he was posting as sivatayi_2000 he tried to give the pretense he was from UK.

Someday someone will sue Tony the big mouthed defamer because, like most warped anti-Sais, he never knows when to shut up.
Tony O'Clery  1521
12-07-2006 06:43 PM ET (US)
Namaste,'Westminster Time Files'.

My novel on the power elite and other adventures will come out early
next year. In the novel there is also a couple of chapters on an evil
guru in India who is a pedophile and a criminal and 'manifests'
vibhuti. He turns out to be a reincarnated Rakshasa, and is very
similar to another Baba we know of......ONS....Tony.
Tony O'Clery  1520
12-07-2006 06:41 PM ET (US)
I never lied about using them, I said they weren't exclusive to myself. Some of my email accounts are shared, is that too hard to understand.
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1519
12-07-2006 04:51 PM ET (US)
Tony O'Clery, I will notice how you wholly dismiss your own lies and then focus on what you consider to be a lie on my behalf although your name is signed on those posts and I provided screen-caps. You lied about using the name 'saktidasa', 'dingopl' and 'narayan'. You are a deceitful person who cannot be trusted. Try weaseling yourself out of that with your Buddha posts.

Tony O'Clery  1518
12-07-2006 04:26 PM ET (US)
doctor heal thyself. How come the decrepit pervatar is on a wheelchair and hasn't cured himself yet? He'll never make it to 96 years of age.
Tony O'Clery  1517
12-07-2006 04:25 PM ET (US)
Joe mentira moreno, says I use fake names. I must be the only person on the net he expects only to use his birth name. The reason he thinks like this is that I share some names with other people, for email purposes, and because sometimes people from different countries cannot get a safe email address in the west.
Tony O'Clery  1516
12-07-2006 04:20 PM ET (US)
Namaste,

The lie by joe moreno:

http://tony-oclery-exposed.blogspot.com/20...xtremist-group.html

As you can see this cas lives in Ireland and he and his parents have a completely different bio from me. The fact that they quoted me from a book doesn't mean that I approve of the site...I don't. And the article that they quoted was a pro secular and anti sectarian one. Joe has been told this before but continues to keep this calumny on his site. Proving beyond all doubt that he is a liar a fabricator and probably mentally ill...Tony
Joe108Person was signed in when posted  1515
12-07-2006 02:57 PM ET (US)
Tony O'Clery is a self-admitted liar against Sathya Sai Baba. Tony O'Clery purposely mislead others with a bold-faced lie that a known pedophile was associated with the Sathya Sai Organization. See For Yourself. After this lie was exposed by me, Tony O'Clery said:
"I knew you guys are so absorbed with your own lunacy that you would miss that and rave on, which you are doing hahhaahahah. What great entertainment for me hahahahahaahahhah. I don't know who the guy is or even if he was a sb organiser, but he probably would make a good one hahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

This is the low-class type of defamer who is attempting to say he is not affiliated with The Racist/Extremist Group Stormfront.

In addition, Tony O'Clery has a kinky boot fetish, openly talked about his acid trip, alcoholism and use of psylocybin, uses numerous fake names, believes that he can communicates with the dead and can hear their voices in his head, regularly enters demon trances and was accused by Sai Baba EXPOSED that he was/is gay/bisexual and is a sexual molestor.

So now when Tony Anthony O'Clery says I am a liar, how can be believed?

Tony O'Clery  1514
12-07-2006 01:26 PM ET (US)
The following is a lie from Joe Moreno.
My father was a schools inspector and my mother worked in an office. I don't live in Ireland, never have.........Tony.
Here is the lie from the followers of so called truth or sathya.



'O'Clery & The Racist/Extremist Group Stormfront
Anthony Tony O'Clery
Living In Vancouver, British Columbia

Anthony "Tony" O'Clery was an active member on the Stormfront site and used the name "Decendant of Cas". Stormfront is a racist and extremist group that promotes White Supremacy and is advertised and promoted on Ku Klux Klan websites. The Stormfront site is run by Don Black, a former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan and long-standing member in the White Supremacy Movement. Don Black is married to former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke's ex-wife. Don Black served time in federal prison for plotting to overthrow a left-leaning goverment on the black island nation of Dominica to set up an all-white state.

Not only is it very disturbing that O'Clery posted on an openly White Supremacist site, he never spoke out against white supremacy but took a very strong anti-immigrant/pro-white Irish point of view (even posting on the "The Aryan Culture of Ireland" thread) and referred to Chinese people as "Chinks" (a derogatory term for a person of Chinese descent).

One will also notice how O'Clery's signature (on many of the posts on "Stormfront") talked against the "Orange Order Of Ireland". In the book Universal Seduction, O'Clery submitted an essay that happened to talk about the New World Order of front groups, like the Orange Order of Ireland (Reference). Just more proof that O'Clery was the author of those posts on Stormfront.

As if this isn't disturbing enough, O'Clery claimed that he had an IQ of 160, ranking in the top 1 percentile of intelligence quotients and being brighter than 99% of the population! O'Clery is claiming his IQ ranks in the High Genius category along with Miguel de Cervantes, Nicolaus Copernicus, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Rembrandt van Rijn, Charles Darwin, Benjamin Franklin, Sophia Kovalevskaya, Stephen W. Hawking and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart! lol This from a guy who can't even spell correctly or keep track of his 4-6 fake names!



Tony O'Clery posted on a White Supremacist site, never dissenting with the racist propaganda disseminated there and only fueling the flames of dissension. Shameful. Such are the "exposers" of Sathya Sai Baba.
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