I agree, the problem would be with the National presidents, all three are SECURE in their jobs, but for the good of all concerned (their members) it only makes sense. Within that one Union their should be divisions run by an executive VP (Carriers,Clerks,MHs) to deal with specific issues concerning a particular craft. You can be sure at the next contract negotiations the first item to go will be the "no layoff clause"!

We talked about how good it would be to have one union after we MHs, lost V time over 20 years ago. I think the problem would be the presidents. I don't think any of them (or whomever takes their place) would want to give up the power. It would be nice to have a united front at contract time. Anybody paying attention knows that will be one bumpy ride.

The time has come for Postal Workers to unite as a whole. By that I mean ONE Union not Three. As was stated in a previous post by "Yvette" what affects one installation affects everyone Postal system wide. Having three separate Unions (NALC,APWU, MAILHANDLERS) reduces the total effect and allows management to play one craft against another, thereby creating animosity and in-fighting amongst the workers. There is strength is numbers and ours is reduced by 1/3. How many times are clerks and mailhandlers in the same facility given different information on the same subject by their Union representatives?

Is this really me, or am I pretendinging to be Roger? Of course I'm Roger!

Is this relly me, or am I pretendinging to be Roger? Of course I'm Roger

/m2389 Of course that was you Clark. Who would pretend to be you?

At dsmndc we are seeing new casuals every couple days it seems like.Plenty of ot to go around.New bids were posted but think they were pulled due to short notification to the unions possibly.Anyone getting excessed to dsm yet cause all we are seeing is casuals.How is retirement Lucky,Sue,Pat,Rich,Nancy and George?Have a great Vets day and Thanksgiving.

Good points. You're right. I'm wrong. My appologies.

I was thinking it but you posted it Postelized. Anytime someone is excessed, it affects us all. No matter the facility, you need to be aware of what happens when excessing goes on and who it happening to. Good luck to all caught up in this nightmare.

Annoyed Clerk.Yes it is a BMC forum and clerks as well as mailhandlers are being told different things hourly.We are currently getting excessed clerks and mailhandlers from the Memphis BMC.Consolidate that.

   Coughlin is suggesting the elimination of 200,000 jobs. If Congress is frightened enough, they are capable of anything. I remember when we started paying into medicare. It was strapped for cash, and needed a huge injection. I found out about it when my check was short. They will do what they want.

MEME -

When did it become a requirement for anyone to acutally read the Contract, the JCIM or their LMOU, especailly union members and stewards, much less acutally understand what it means. Other than just taking one sentence out of a paragraph for their own persnonal needs.

SCABS know more about what's in the contract then most members.

Don't quote it for them, tell them to learn to read for a change.

Edited by author 11-07-2009 06:36 PM
As if I know how your sections are set up or how your stewards as assigned. I know this by telepathy maybe ?Get real! Are you that desperate to always be right?

How many members do you have? Do the number of members match the number of stewards you are contractually able to have?

I can read well enough and know you need to look at the contract in whole, not just the sections you like.

Are you the only employee on the board to have a question about super seniority and excessing.

Now I get it meme. There is a big difference between specific sections, as your first post put it and specific work location(s) as the contract reads. The Atlanta NDC is a specific work location and every steward I know is certified for a specific work location. It's not enough to read the contract, you must also understand what you are reading.

Section 17.2 Appointment of Stewards
A The Union will certify to the Employer in writing a steward or
stewards and alternates in accordance with the following general
guidelines. Where more than one steward is appointed, one
shall be designated chief steward. The selection and appointment
of stewards or chief stewards is the sole and exclusive
function of the Union. Stewards will be certified to represent
employees in specific work location(s) on their tour; provided
no more than one steward may be certified to represent employees
in a particular work location(s). The number of stewards


Article 17.4.C While serving as a steward or chief steward, an employee may
not be involuntarily transferred to another tour, to another station
or branch of the particular post office or to another independent
post office or installation unless there is no job for
which the employee is qualified on such tour, or in such station
or branch, or post office. If an employee requests a steward or
Union representative to be present during the course of an interrogation
by the Inspection Service, such request will be granted.
All polygraph tests will continue to be on a voluntary basis.
shall be in accordance with the formula as hereinafter set forth:

If you are not certified in writing for a specific work locations, then they are not properly appointed stewards and can be excessed.

Read the contract!

POSTELIZED; An installation may or may not be 1 facility. For instance, KCMO P&DC has some stations and branches w/in its jurisdiction or installation even though it is a stand alone facility. I'm sure your steward would have known the answer. Yes, AMC's are doomed so check w/ your steward or Local President. Also, if bidding is allowed outside of your facility for you then you are probably not a stand alone station. Figure it out.