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McLaren & Hunter tackle ... What do you say to people who insist that their life is running "just fine" without a relationship to God -- who seem to dare you to judge them as inadequate? Your thoughts...
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Messages 17-15 deleted by topic administrator 10-07-2008 02:25 AM
lunma  14
06-12-2008 11:20 PM ET (US)
 Person was signed in when posted  13
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02-21-2008 09:37 PM ET (US)
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Bloody Inquisition  10
06-21-2007 04:52 PM ET (US)
You can never truley know for sure whether "God" is involved in your life or not. Most people would like to believe that "God" plays a large roll, but the important factor to consider here is whether or not it was "God" or just personal will, luck of the draw, or the most likely out come. Religion is used to explain the unexplainable or things we just flat out cant come up with an explination for. So in short you have to look at all the factors before jumping to the conclusion that "God" has made all that is good in your life and look at what YOU personaly have done to make a comfortable life for your self.
heartfelt  9
05-18-2007 02:30 PM ET (US)
Unless a person lives alone, never goes outside, never visits a restaurant, goes to a movie, watches t.v., etc., I just want to say that God said: "where two or three are gathered in my name, there will I be also." Whenever we are around people, there are Christians there! i believe God is with us always, even if we don't profess to believe it. He is the breath we breathe (our soul) and WORDS don't keep God away! HE knows our hearts, HE created them! So! don't worry, you haven't been withour God "doing fine!" HE never stops loving you, HE is very patient, and knows that when that wonderful heart of yours is exposed to you, you will know HE has been there all along. Love and blessings to you
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Donald M  4
06-06-2005 03:18 PM ET (US)
In a conversation over lunch several years ago with a friend, who I knew did not profess Christian faith, he told me "I've made it just fine for 36 years without God, what do I need him for now?" Prompted, I believe, by the Holy Spirit, I responded: "how do you know?" "How do I know what?" he replied. "How do you know you've made it 36 years 'without God'?, I said, "how do you know he hasn't been involved in every area of your life since the day you were born?, I continued.

There was long pause. I said nothing. Finally he said slowly, "I never considered that before."

The following Sunday, my friend's wife, who was a Christian, came up to me at church and said "What did you say to my husband at lunch last Thursday? He's been moody ever since."

"Praise God", I said, "he's contemplating a question I asked him."

Not a month later, at another lunch, my friend admitted he had no answer for my question and that it had been nagging him. Not long after that, he admitted that it might be possible that God had indeed been present in his life, though he didn't know it and hadn't been aware of it. (Ah, prevenient grace!) Once he got to that point, the step to becomming a Christian was easy. It's been over 12 years, and my friend and dear brother-in-Christ has become one of the most thoughtful, dedicated, loving Christian man I know.
He's been actively involved in jr/sr high ministry for years as an adult volunteer and who knows how many of those young people have had their lives forever changed by the Gospel because of my friend's ministry in their lives.

And it all started with a question: "How do you know?"
Kevin  3
05-19-2005 05:51 PM ET (US)
I am just curious people today are so afraid to say one thing is wrong. Jesus didn't come and say everythign was okay. Jesus came and brought judgement and in that judgment there was also redemption and love. Look at how He dealt with Isreal judgment/chastisement to love and redemption. IT seems like there is no longer a holy indignation for the Lord the way David responded to GOliath as he was cursing God and Israel. Why can believers today not be like that in some sense. SOmetimes I feel like we have become weaklings afraid to step on toes, afraid to set robust boundries that have existed since the beginning of the church. Don't get me wrong I am all about grace, and forgiveness but everythign is not ok. Jesus never implied anything of the sort. I do agree that it is so important to see the importance of relationship, and how God's grace is good enough for anyone. However are we supposed to sit back and say everything is ok? I don't think so but it is a tough balance because who am I to expect a non-Christian to live like a Christian, that is obsurd. I just think that it is important to not be afraid to say something is wrong.
Tom  2
12-06-2004 11:19 AM ET (US)
I think Jesus handled this well in Matthew 19. Someone who had it all together was really asking for affirmation. He had kept all the commandments, after all. Jesus, with a very carefully considered request, made this guy realize his life was based on temporary values and didn't really have much meaning. A person who says "Life is going just fine" probably won't have much foundation when life isn't going fine.
Denese  1
08-16-2004 04:18 PM ET (US)
The belief that all God's good is released only through believers is insulting to people who don't attend church. Ask them to help you in a just cause and your affirming goodness is part of them. Many friends will discuss our next "service mission" with us, but shy away from discussions on religion. Giving people a way to work out their desire to give to others places them on the path towards God Love Jesus Hope Generousity. . .
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