Thanks Philip,
I will see you Thursday.=)

Sonya C.

I just want to thank everyone for showing up. Lets not lose focus and I look forward to seeing everyone sunday and if not than at the next meeting , which is the Board of County Commissioners meeting, scheduled for 12/7/04 at 6pm in the same room

BOCC flyer modified and corrected the error.

updated the list of contact for St. Lucie County Commissioners, updated dec 07, 2004 flyer.

Edited by author 12-08-2004 01:20 AM
WE DID IT!!!!
Celebrate! :)


Sonya~

P.S. I was very impressed with everyone's comments. Practically everything was covered and I think the video clips were put together well. Now everyone can get back to their daily lives. What a relief. :)

Hi Sonya,

Still to be continued! Dickerson Florida is appealing to have this Dickerson Florida mine decision changed. Just think of all the lies those people have done! Right down to their doctor they brought at the meeting. Fortunately, we have a copy of the meeting, now they're really in even deep hole! I just found an article about the respirable dust and the respirable dust he's talking about is already claimed by EPA to be dangerous to health. I am just converting the meeting to digital form and get this doctor's picture on the internet, hopefully get his license revoked! What about the lies that Larry dale stated. They have never done anything to accomodate the people, in fact they even ignored we are existing and living in the area!Just look at Florida rock, Mr. Martin went into the trouble to call us to inform us of the meeting and to let us visit their facility anytime! Dickerson Florida finally paid their unpaid fines which was in collection for so many months. These people are so darn crooked and bad to the bone. We have given them a property to look at SR70 for sale, and Larry dale said he's willing to buy any property. But he is a lier, the entire group is really bad!

By the way, did you know that Dickerson Florida has been mining at North and South carolina and they could not show any of those mines they reclaimed. I've seen Florida Rock and CSR Rinker reclaimed mines. You know what's surprising. Nobody on the county of North & South Carolina knows who dickerson is. Just look at indrio pit front landscaping (a piece of unkept front yard as opposed to Florida rock's well kept front yard! What about the keys . They never had a mine in there! Florida rock paved the Glades Cut off road.

Edited by author 12-09-2004 10:47 AM
This is really hitting below the belt! All residents at Glades Cutoff & Carlton Road are becoming nervous wrecks. First, Mr. Alan Whitehouse (FDEP) email said that the best source of rock in Florida is at Miami Lakebelt. Dickerson Florida's contract for road construction at St. Lucie county was withdrawn because their supply does not meet the DOT standard. Basically what their mining is of poor quality,even their truck drivers said that "what's coming out of the pit is garbage!" At the PLZ meeting, they claimed they paved almost all the roads at St. Lucie county. And yet they said they need the rocks to fix the ROAD FAILURES at the county. First of all who did it-Dickerson Florida. So why should we have more of the poor quality road constructed by them!Then, we documented almost all their trucks coming from Indrio pit are going north. It does not have a benefit to the county. St. Lucie county should start imposing royalty for every tons of dirt they haul out of the county!What's more I was told that Northwood, LLC offered the mine first to Stewart Mining and was turned down because there were too many people in the area and it is going to be a problem!Then Dickerson FL decided to take the offer and still does not even consider us as people. What's worse was a comment was made by the red shirt after the PLZ meeting "THESE STUPID HICKS, they dont even know what is good for them!" It happens to be that some people living in the area are nurse, college graduates, one works for SFWMD. We have somebody who has masters from M.I.T. and pHD-Manchester University, B.S. Marine Biology graduate, etc. If they think we are really that stupid and don't know anything about hazards of mining, this permit application would have not lasted for many months. NoRock.Org would be non-existent, noe of us would have stayed until 0030H@ 12/08 for the meeting! All commissioners,even Commissioner Hutchinson voted against the sand mine in the county where the first resident is a mile a way! This mine will be right on the doorsteps of the residents. One being inside the grove. So how fair is this?

By the way, this red shirt person from Dickerson Florida who made a comment "THESE STUPID HICKS, they don't know what is good for them!" Are they also calling those people from PLZ -STUPID HICKS for voting against them?

Rumor has it that Dickerson is going to work very hard to change Mr. Coward and Mr.Smith to vote their way. They don't think they can change Mr. Craft. They will not give up until they have them "in thier pockets like Ms. Lewis and Ms. Hutchinson". As so rumor has it they are going to have someone write a letter to the county commisioners about the tax monies they will not be getting without the mine. One of the speakers at the meeting was from B&D Grading, That would be Mr. Charles Pallas's sons company and that was one of his sons. They had bumper stickers and t-shirts made up that said "THE MINE IS FINE" well I think it should say "THE MINE AINT FINE". The fight has just began. The drivers that would be coming out of that pit would be Sibony drivers and they have a bad driving records. Ask Larry Dale if he wants his kids standing on the side of the road with Sibony running up and down the road.

"CG" please be careful -- the voting was as follows:

Mr. Smith -- against the residents
Ms. Lewis -- supporting the residents
Ms. Hutchinson -- against the residents
Mr. Craft -- supporting the residents
Mr. Coward -- supporting the residents

It is important that we post actual facts along with our opinions. I understand the voting may have been confusing but we MUST be careful about our posts.

Response to "CG"
"CG" just a comment. If you have a question or wants to verify or any inquiry, please email us at norock.org. The guy who told me about the comment of being "STUPID HICKS" heard this comment himself,but he refrain from making a comment back or punching the guy!

RESIDENTS OF GLADES AND CARLTON ROAD......

The County voted in our favor. The issue is now dead. The Board is not going to bring this issue up without holding another public hearing.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me directly.

phils127@aol.com
772-489-0603 Home
954-683-6851 Cell

Lets all - Relax, Enjoy & get on with our Lives.......

Edited by author 12-09-2004 05:48 PM
Hey Phil,

So I can do the R.I.P. ceremony for norock.org and the carlton road mine pit then!

Edited by author 12-11-2004 08:38 PM
Aftermath is always the best part

Mr. J.S. asked me why I did not include economic issue in the presentation. Just want to clarify my incoherent presentation, it would have been nicer if we were given more than 5 min and not timed as when somebody did when he presented his argument! Did you hear anything beeping with Mr. L.D.?

As for the economics,losing 1 mine is not detrimental to the county. Orange County has only 1 current active mine, CSR Rinker from Miami supplies majority of the rocks needed. Florida Rock has 1 holding facility in the county. Have they stopped "progress" and development of more roads and houses? Is the county suffering economically due to lack of mines? The only thing that will stop development, urban sprawl & nature destruction is population and its demand. If there are no people to demand for more, nothing will happen!
 
Also speaking from a source, Florida Rock can supply the county with rocks. They can supply all the materials St. Lucie County need. As what Mr. L.D. said in the recorded meeting, they are in competition with them.
 
Even if the last load of rocks has been utilized, house construction will not stop. More urban sprawl will happen, more natural resources and wildlife will disappear, in fact survey says, most people in Florida are getting tired of living here. Too much overcrowding, too much traffic.
 
I noticed that already at St. Lucie county, Just go to walmart, homedepot and publix, there won't be a time that you do not bump into somebody. It is getting populated too fast! And the county does not have the resources to accommodate the influx of people. If another hurricane come, we won't be there to fall in line just to buy food, water and gasoline!

It is so good to hear they cannot appeal it. It's such a relief! I'm guessing none of the commissioners changed their votes?? I didn't hear about that.


I agree with what Ms. Spengler said; St. Lucie County is populating much too fast.



Happy Holidays everyone!! As my mom said, what a wonderful Christmas gift to have this mine rejected.

Sonya Carnahan