agodlywoman... thanks for the help... PM did change his start time hrs from 12:00 to 6 to 2:30 to 5:30.. it isn't working out.. i read the jcam and somewhere it said if ptr had reg hrs, it couldn't be changed, only if they had a flexible schedule.. then i go to read the jcam again and it has been revised... i would think the te's hrs would be cut first.. seems like union and management are up to sneaky things... the union seems to only want to save the ftr's, who are getting ot and dont' care if anyone else can survive.. i hear other offices have cut the ptr's.. i am an iod and the union helped me alot.. this past yr they have gone downhill and are hanging me out to dry now...