Hey, I got a copy of the book written by the chief steward of Royal Oak at their PO shooting in 91. It is called "The Tainted Eagle" 'The Truth Behind the Tragedy'. by Charlie Withers.
Pretty bizarre. So far it starts out, that on the morning of the shootings, management was making a big deal about people keeping the noise down. On his way, with another steward to write up grievances on managers who had been making racial slurs, two individuals were sent home. One two loud, one for whistling "It's beginning to look like Christmas". Then the gunshots started going off. Management that had been investigated in Indianapolis by Congress for bad behavior had been sent to Royal Oak, and had created a bad environment. The union knew, but failed to pass this on. National even tried to get him to do nothing about the fact that management was highly aware of the threats by the employee/gunman, and their request for protection never came, yet they failed to warn employee's. National failed protocol in warning the Chief steward, that the employee who went over the edge, had lost his arbitration, so that there was no warning for employees. The harassment towards the angry employee had escalated after he had filed an EEO complaint. Skipping through the book, there are some pretty bizarre incidents of harassment, such as a mgr, knowing he was terminated, went so far to call Tom McCelvane's home, and when she got a busy signal, used an operator to interrupt his call, saying it was an emergency, and actually ordering him to report to work. Guess he didn't have call-waiting back then. Doctoring of his tape-recorder which an expert examined, destroying documents, all managers involved, and some that weren't even there all were given indefinite stress leave, while traumatized employees got nothing. Even when a shot steward's attorney sued the local union, NALC wrote letter they would not aid the local financially. Lot's of page of documents included in the book, to include Committee On Post Office and Civil Service U.S. House of Reprentatives (didn't know we had one) that managements harrassement "drove a man to kill" and lack of the USPS providing security. To me it's alot of postal terms that the public might not understand, but thought it would be a good read for employees, managers, and their "families" to see just how the USPS works and the early signs to possibly keep this type of horror from happening ever again. There seems to be a pattern, such as we all know about the remove promote the bad ones. A local Target had the book, but not sure all Targets. A link CWITHERS58@yahoo.com Bookstores Xlibris.com or by phone at 1-888-795-4274 ext. 7876, Barnesandnoble.com , Borders.com

This is for Cheryl. A PTF job is a FLEXIBLE position, whereas a PTR job is a REGULAR position (with established hours and days off). As I understand it, regular jobs are "safer" than flexible and casual positions. There are no more PTFs in my station. The ones we have took regular positions, and there are no new PTFs being hired (vacated jobs were abolished). A PTF can become a PTR, so long as the job went unbid. The unbid PTR job does not automatically go to a PTF, however. I believe it would have to be requested.

MDOs Gabe and Scott are right.it 's not in the budget,since you only need a box or 2,just buy your own gloves,they're cheap,save the post office some money,ok?

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NO THE POST OFFICE IS NOT THAT BROKE THEY CAN BUY THE GLOVES AND IF THEY USE THEIR HEADS THEY CAN BUY IN BULK QUANITY AT A GOOD PRICE. WHEN SOMETHING GO WRONG WHATS GOING TO BE SAID WHEN THE GLOVES WERE NOT SUPPLIED? ITS NOT ABOUT SAVING THE POST OFFICE SOME MONEY ITS ABOUT HAVING WHAT YOU NEED TO HELP YOU DO YOUR JOB.SHOULD WE BUY TOILET PAPER ALSO?

CHERYL A PTF CAN BECOME A PTR OR A FTR IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COMPLEMENT CALLS FOR AT YOUR OFFICE. NEITHER IS YOUR CHOICE AN OPPURTUNITY HAS TO ARISE TO MAKE EITHER POSSIBLE.YOU WILL ONLY BE SECURE ONCE YOU HAVE ATLEAST 6 YEARS OF SERVICE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POSITION IS.

 They dont allow ptf's to be converted to regular. There is an artical 12 in place most of the country. These jobs are given to people who are regulars already and are excessed. They bid on it ,they get it. I know. I am a ptf carrier for 14years and a clerk just bid on a vacant route He got and i got screwed. I dont see the artical being lifted ever. PTF for life, i am pissed

SORRY ABOUT THAT WORM YOU ARE RIGHT IF THERE IS ANY EXCESSING GOING ON ANY JOBS AVALIBLE WILL GO TO THE REGULARS THAT ARE BEING EXCESSED NO MATTER WHAT THE CRAFT AS LONG AS THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR THE JOB.

lc, it is rough being a ptf. I have about 32yrs service. Worked at a federal job ,naval base that closed.I have a great supervisor.He has been at it for 30 yrs. That helps alot.3 more to go and i am out.

hi,i need information on new hire for a mail,carrier,or inside handler,please, i work a few years back and now im 50 year old ,my kids are gone now is my time to grow and doit for me thanks to you all god bless to nex time.dora from cicero.

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This is Prime , why are you all directing your angry at the choosen one? save your energy for the deceptamangers that you all have to go to war with on a regular basic. Your time is near D day will arrive and a great number of you will not survive these great changes that will very soon sweept over the Postal Service changeing it forever, your Onions power is now being stripped and they can know longer protect you from the deceptamangers that will soon rock your worlds, all the Onion dues you have payed has been waisted away by use less Nacional directors , you have know power to strike ,your only changeing of surival now is to beg for your jobs, I am Prime and I warned you all before and you did not lissen ,are work is now done on your planit , you must fight the Deceptaclowns on your on ,good luck to you all I AM PRIME ,AUTOBOTS TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT ,THE PARTY IS OVER!

Prime, you really need to learn how to spell.

I agree with you though, Prime. We are on our own. Forget the Union. This is the same Union who filed against the PTRs, their own constituents, for being used beyond their hours. So, because I was used a few times to work an extra hour here or there, my lazy full-time co-workers are now being awarded almost $4,000.00 each. Yeah, let's pay the workers who do absolutlely NOTHING after the morning mail is put up. Pay them an extra $4,000.00 to sit around for their remaining three hours twiddling their THUMBS!

I am trying to help out a PTR in our office... his reg hrs have been 12pm-6pm... the PM just cut his hrs to 2:30pm-5:30pm... anyone know if pm can do this? any rules/regs anyone is aware of? I thought if PTR had set hrs and not flexible hrs, pm could not do this.. and isn't a PTR suppose to get at least 20hrs a week.. PM is giving the work to the carriers who are getting OT and we still have a TE in the office...any knowledge on what he could do is appreciated...

As far as I know, the PTRs are only in the Clerk craft, not the carrier craft. PTFs in the carrier craft were supposedly all converted to FTRs. The only part-timers in the carrier craft are TEs. And yes, the PM can definitely cut his/her hours if this is the case.

latestart.. he is a PTR collection guy.. he is in the carrier craft... PO is not promoting ptf's as they are holding routes under article 12... if the pm can cut his hours.. do you know of any rule/reg that states this?