you forgot iod's and older ones who are getting harassed to retire..

agodlywoman.. i think you are right.. it seems like union is just trying to save the few they can so they keep a union and dues....

i didn't write post 461. who did? weird.
OK. this is funny. this wording is in the contract, right? so who, if not the "big guys" negotiated the contract? the union uppers had to have negotiated for this to happen to the PTR's in the first place. now Pres. Burris is saying they have national grievance? for what? something they already negotiated? or am i missing something here? this doesn't make sense. if it's in the contract, THEY negotiated it. sounds to me like all of the PTR's and PTF's have been hung out to dry.

thanks guy. my post 459 had it, article 7A.2. they CAN work the PTR's flexible hours as needed. when the PM posts the schedule, he can change the PTR's on a weekly basis. what's funny is "to work flexible hrs." i know that means different start times, but i believe the union will fight for a set # of hrs per week. who can live not knowing what their salary will be on a weekly basis? what about PTR's that were hired in 1989 with 36 hr week? they have their life set up on those hrs? now you're going to cut 22 hrs off of their paycheck? try that with management and see what happens...

2. Part-Time. Employees in this category shall be
hired pursuant to such procedures as the
Employer may establish and shall be assigned to
regular schedules of less than forty (40) hours in a
service week, or shall be available to work flexible
hours as assigned by the Employer during the
course of a service week.this is from artical 7 of the national agreement

agodlywoman... thanks for the help... PM did change his start time hrs from 12:00 to 6 to 2:30 to 5:30.. it isn't working out.. i read the jcam and somewhere it said if ptr had reg hrs, it couldn't be changed, only if they had a flexible schedule.. then i go to read the jcam again and it has been revised... i would think the te's hrs would be cut first.. seems like union and management are up to sneaky things... the union seems to only want to save the ftr's, who are getting ot and dont' care if anyone else can survive.. i hear other offices have cut the ptr's.. i am an iod and the union helped me alot.. this past yr they have gone downhill and are hanging me out to dry now...

37. We have a number of PTR's in Tucson and management is reposting their bid jobs with fewer hours than the original bid. For example - 36 hour PTR job is being reposted as a 25-hour job. I spoke with Rob Strunk about this last week and he does not believe that there is anything in the contract that would prohibit the reposting to fewer hours. I am just wondering if this is happening in other offices and is our collective response. Connie Sadler-Nelson, President - Tucson Area Local

Answer: Pres. Burris – National has filed Step 4 and have been awarded, if it is in violation of Garret or Das award over Article 1.6, management can reduce the hours.

i don't really know what this says? anyone????

that should have read PTR does not have guarantee. all this reading is making me crazy...

Edited by author 08-25-2009 07:01 PM
Me. don't got it. forget everything i just said. you guys have a NEW contract. i haven't been there. the new contract-Article 7A.2 states a part time employee (doesn't say regular or flex) CAN be scheduled as the PM needs on a weekly basis. i also found notes that Burris and the big cheeses wrote between each other. and it states that they are reducing PTR's hours because there is nothing in the contract that states they can't. note: FTR says they have a 40 hr week. but PTR does not have a guaranteed # of hrs. IN THE CONTRACT. that is a big loop hole for management. Burris grieved it, so it's going to be a big, fat mess. wait and see. get the contract and read it for yourself. i'm glad i'm not a PTR anymore. it could really open up a can of worms. but in this guy's case, any maybe mgmt doesn't know very much, i would grieve it and see how it falls. yes, they may make his hours flexible, but cutting them, i don't think that is worked out yet, as per what Burris stated.

Me: got it. his hours can be changed Permanently. not at random. and not verbally. and not removing hours. the grievance should be filed persuant to Section 8.02 and 8.03 or Article 8 of the National Bargaining Agreement. read it yourself. it shows REGULAR employees hours are to begin, blah blah and end blah blah. then the flexible blah blah. that is what states he cannot mess with regular's hours. that's all there is to it. he can get back pay for the hours he was not allowed to work. stipulate that also. piece of cake. do it now. there is a time limit from when he knew he was wronged. i think it's 10 days...

latestart: please help me. i need the info on the national grievance. i was not informed and had no knowledge since i was injured and at home. thank you so much. this could mean a lot of $ for me, which i could use.
Me: it is in your contract. i will see what i can look up for you. they can not remove hours from his bid job. they are allowed to change start times by 2 hours. but he's not doing that. if the PM, after he files the grievance, THEN tries to mess with his start time, he will have grounds for retaliation. i would at least give it a try. i'll get back to you.

Edited by author 08-20-2009 05:54 PM
to Me: I have never heard of a PTR collection carrier, but I guess it's possible. A PTR has regular hours with regular days off. A PM cannot take hours away from him, unless he is on light duty or has limitations. Even if that is the case, they can send him home early, but they still have to pay him his hours. Start hours can be changed, I'm not sure if the 2 hour timeframe applies to PTRs. I know my start time was changed by 1/2 hr. Only other way his hours/job can be changed is after a function 4. But then, that would probably require that the job be abolished and/or reposted.
to agodlywoman: there was a national grievance submitted against PTRs working more than their stated hours. There was a settlement reached before it went to final arbitration. The agreement has been made that all PTRs are to be used for their bid hours. They are not to be used for more than that even if management claims an "emergency situation". FTRs are to be used for OT and brought in for their day off rather than use PTRs beyond their bid hours. I too was also used by my station to keep the FTRs OT hours down, but most of the time, when I was used for extra hours, the FTRs were ALREADY being used on OT.. AND on their days off!!!!! Guess my greedy co-workers would rather get V time than see the post office try to save some money and thereby our jobs!!!!!

agodlywoman.. are you saying the start time hours can be changed???? within a 2 hr timeframe or are you saying the pm can take 2 hrs a day away from him? he would have to sign off on the job saying he is accepting this change? what if he doesn't sign off on it... i need some regs/rules on this...

agodlywoman.. I asked him about his form 50.. the one they send you every yr.. hopefully that is the form... and it states 28 hrs a week.. i need some kind of rule/reg that states this so he can file a greivance and get his hrs back.. pm stated he was going to take 2hrs a day from him and in the end he took 3hrs a day.. there is still a TE carrier working in our office which doesn't seem fair that he would get more hrs than our ptr, also the work that was taken from him, was given to ftr's who are doing OT.. it just doesn't sound right... but i need some kind of rule/reg to support that pm is wrong..

me: a PTR is a bid, part time REGULAR hour, regular days off position. that is if nothing has changed since 2005. his hours can only be change within a 2 hours time frame. he must sign off on the change, or they can put the job up for bid. check with personnel on his form 50. his job had the hours posted.

latestart: tell me about that grievance. i was injured in 2005. looks as though it is permanent. am still on the roll. i changed to a PTR once my son was born. they used me to keep from their FTR using over constantly. they would work me 6-10 hours. i was a 5 hr per day clerk. this went on for a few years....

latestart.. he is a PTR collection guy.. he is in the carrier craft... PO is not promoting ptf's as they are holding routes under article 12... if the pm can cut his hours.. do you know of any rule/reg that states this?

As far as I know, the PTRs are only in the Clerk craft, not the carrier craft. PTFs in the carrier craft were supposedly all converted to FTRs. The only part-timers in the carrier craft are TEs. And yes, the PM can definitely cut his/her hours if this is the case.

I am trying to help out a PTR in our office... his reg hrs have been 12pm-6pm... the PM just cut his hrs to 2:30pm-5:30pm... anyone know if pm can do this? any rules/regs anyone is aware of? I thought if PTR had set hrs and not flexible hrs, pm could not do this.. and isn't a PTR suppose to get at least 20hrs a week.. PM is giving the work to the carriers who are getting OT and we still have a TE in the office...any knowledge on what he could do is appreciated...

I agree with you though, Prime. We are on our own. Forget the Union. This is the same Union who filed against the PTRs, their own constituents, for being used beyond their hours. So, because I was used a few times to work an extra hour here or there, my lazy full-time co-workers are now being awarded almost $4,000.00 each. Yeah, let's pay the workers who do absolutlely NOTHING after the morning mail is put up. Pay them an extra $4,000.00 to sit around for their remaining three hours twiddling their THUMBS!

Prime, you really need to learn how to spell.

This is Prime , why are you all directing your angry at the choosen one? save your energy for the deceptamangers that you all have to go to war with on a regular basic. Your time is near D day will arrive and a great number of you will not survive these great changes that will very soon sweept over the Postal Service changeing it forever, your Onions power is now being stripped and they can know longer protect you from the deceptamangers that will soon rock your worlds, all the Onion dues you have payed has been waisted away by use less Nacional directors , you have know power to strike ,your only changeing of surival now is to beg for your jobs, I am Prime and I warned you all before and you did not lissen ,are work is now done on your planit , you must fight the Deceptaclowns on your on ,good luck to you all I AM PRIME ,AUTOBOTS TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT ,THE PARTY IS OVER!

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hi,i need information on new hire for a mail,carrier,or inside handler,please, i work a few years back and now im 50 year old ,my kids are gone now is my time to grow and doit for me thanks to you all god bless to nex time.dora from cicero.

lc, it is rough being a ptf. I have about 32yrs service. Worked at a federal job ,naval base that closed.I have a great supervisor.He has been at it for 30 yrs. That helps alot.3 more to go and i am out.

SORRY ABOUT THAT WORM YOU ARE RIGHT IF THERE IS ANY EXCESSING GOING ON ANY JOBS AVALIBLE WILL GO TO THE REGULARS THAT ARE BEING EXCESSED NO MATTER WHAT THE CRAFT AS LONG AS THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR THE JOB.

 They dont allow ptf's to be converted to regular. There is an artical 12 in place most of the country. These jobs are given to people who are regulars already and are excessed. They bid on it ,they get it. I know. I am a ptf carrier for 14years and a clerk just bid on a vacant route He got and i got screwed. I dont see the artical being lifted ever. PTF for life, i am pissed

CHERYL A PTF CAN BECOME A PTR OR A FTR IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COMPLEMENT CALLS FOR AT YOUR OFFICE. NEITHER IS YOUR CHOICE AN OPPURTUNITY HAS TO ARISE TO MAKE EITHER POSSIBLE.YOU WILL ONLY BE SECURE ONCE YOU HAVE ATLEAST 6 YEARS OF SERVICE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POSITION IS.

Edited by author 05-14-2009 10:57 PM
NO THE POST OFFICE IS NOT THAT BROKE THEY CAN BUY THE GLOVES AND IF THEY USE THEIR HEADS THEY CAN BUY IN BULK QUANITY AT A GOOD PRICE. WHEN SOMETHING GO WRONG WHATS GOING TO BE SAID WHEN THE GLOVES WERE NOT SUPPLIED? ITS NOT ABOUT SAVING THE POST OFFICE SOME MONEY ITS ABOUT HAVING WHAT YOU NEED TO HELP YOU DO YOUR JOB.SHOULD WE BUY TOILET PAPER ALSO?

MDOs Gabe and Scott are right.it 's not in the budget,since you only need a box or 2,just buy your own gloves,they're cheap,save the post office some money,ok?

This is for Cheryl. A PTF job is a FLEXIBLE position, whereas a PTR job is a REGULAR position (with established hours and days off). As I understand it, regular jobs are "safer" than flexible and casual positions. There are no more PTFs in my station. The ones we have took regular positions, and there are no new PTFs being hired (vacated jobs were abolished). A PTF can become a PTR, so long as the job went unbid. The unbid PTR job does not automatically go to a PTF, however. I believe it would have to be requested.

Hey, I got a copy of the book written by the chief steward of Royal Oak at their PO shooting in 91. It is called "The Tainted Eagle" 'The Truth Behind the Tragedy'. by Charlie Withers.
Pretty bizarre. So far it starts out, that on the morning of the shootings, management was making a big deal about people keeping the noise down. On his way, with another steward to write up grievances on managers who had been making racial slurs, two individuals were sent home. One two loud, one for whistling "It's beginning to look like Christmas". Then the gunshots started going off. Management that had been investigated in Indianapolis by Congress for bad behavior had been sent to Royal Oak, and had created a bad environment. The union knew, but failed to pass this on. National even tried to get him to do nothing about the fact that management was highly aware of the threats by the employee/gunman, and their request for protection never came, yet they failed to warn employee's. National failed protocol in warning the Chief steward, that the employee who went over the edge, had lost his arbitration, so that there was no warning for employees. The harassment towards the angry employee had escalated after he had filed an EEO complaint. Skipping through the book, there are some pretty bizarre incidents of harassment, such as a mgr, knowing he was terminated, went so far to call Tom McCelvane's home, and when she got a busy signal, used an operator to interrupt his call, saying it was an emergency, and actually ordering him to report to work. Guess he didn't have call-waiting back then. Doctoring of his tape-recorder which an expert examined, destroying documents, all managers involved, and some that weren't even there all were given indefinite stress leave, while traumatized employees got nothing. Even when a shot steward's attorney sued the local union, NALC wrote letter they would not aid the local financially. Lot's of page of documents included in the book, to include Committee On Post Office and Civil Service U.S. House of Reprentatives (didn't know we had one) that managements harrassement "drove a man to kill" and lack of the USPS providing security. To me it's alot of postal terms that the public might not understand, but thought it would be a good read for employees, managers, and their "families" to see just how the USPS works and the early signs to possibly keep this type of horror from happening ever again. There seems to be a pattern, such as we all know about the remove promote the bad ones. A local Target had the book, but not sure all Targets. A link CWITHERS58@yahoo.com Bookstores Xlibris.com or by phone at 1-888-795-4274 ext. 7876, Barnesandnoble.com , Borders.com

I'm a ptf w/only 3 years in the service. Would my job be more secure if a became a ptr? A ptr w/less years me as is safer? I thought that only ptf's could be come full-time & not ptr's.

To: Jeannine H. Turenne

Last month we were transferred to the L&DC in Springfield, Ma. We requested Nitrate/latex free gloves. The gloves provided have certain chemicals that make my hands extremely itchy. These gloves were provided at our previous building at the Springfield P&DC. Management Senior MDO Gabe and Scott said that they were not in the budget and they could not afford them. These gloves are needed and we only need a box or two since not all of us are allergic to the ones provided. Can you please give your opinion on this issue? It would be greatly appreciated.

Or they might be under Article 12 withholding.

It may be robbie, that they are going to abolish the job.

February 11, 2009

Subject: Provision of nitrile gloves for employees that request them

Senior management’s (COO and SR VP HR) position remains that nitrile gloves and FFPs will be supplied to employees if requested for comfort and a measure of security. There is also an understanding with unions. Addition ally, the Postal Service indicated to an federal interagency workgroup that part of our protective measures from biological agents (anthrax specifically) is to supply gloves and FFP’s on request. This is not a SEPM policy – although it is included in the PPE/RPP MI revision (the current MI-March 2001 –says managers may elect to provide FFPs but that was superceded in the fall of 2001). Any change to the policy would have to be solicited from, and issued through, Mr. Donohoe’s and Mr. Vegliante’s offices.

Of course any PPE, including gloves and FFPs, must be provided if indicated by a hazard assessment – but that is separate from the above policy and is required by OSHA.

We understand that everyone is seeking to cut expenses, but this would not be an appropriate way to do so.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,
Jeannine H. Turenne
Director, Safety & Environmental Performance Management
United States Postal Service

i am a ptf where a full time employee retired. Why haven't I been able to bid on her position. I am next in line

Are you a PTR or a PTF? What I have heard, though cannot substantiate, is that anyone with less than 6 years in the USPS may be on the chopping block. I do not know if this is designated for PTRs, PTFs, FTRs or all of the above. Like I said before, this is what I am hearing through the grapevine. If you are a PTR, the Union has a class action grievance that is trying to have your job re-posted as a FTR job, or re-posted "properly" with hours that management truly needs you for. These jobs would be open to all FTR employees (as well as PTRs, depending on the hours the job is posted for). These are only for PTR jobs that have been used in excess of their Form 50 limits. My feeling is that, at least where I am, FTR people are losing their day jobs at the plant, so the union is going after the PTR jobs in an attempt to create new full-time jobs. I doubt this plan will work though, but time will tell.

Have any of you had your hours cut, or heard any talk about layoff. How many years do you have in?

i'm sorry latestart... she's a ptf.

How can they "cut" her hours? A PTR is a regular position!! This is another problem I've come across as a PTR. Management treats PTRS as though we were casuals or PTFs. A PTR is a regular position with regular hours. I still don't know the answer as to "why" PTRs can not bid on FT positions. Also, does anyone know anything about a Class Action grievance against PTRs? I've heard that it is an attempt by the union to keep PTRs at their stated hours. I've been told time and again, "you're just a PTR, your only supposed to work 20 hours." My response to that is a FTR is only supposed to work 40 hours. So if there are any extra hours available, what makes an FTR more entitled to it? Is there anything in the contract that adddresses this, because I sure can't find anything.

Edited by author 01-23-2009 10:47 AM
if there is any residual bids posted, you can bid on those... be grateful you are getting that many hours. i have a girlfriend in Virginia that is only getting 12 hours a week and only works 2 days a week. i don't see how she's making it raising a kid on her own. her hours were cut drastically within the last 6 months.

Hi. I'm a Ptr clerk and I have several questions. First, why does the union and management make it almost impossible to bid into a FT job? What is the reason for making PTRs wait for a newly created job? Doesn't seniority count for anything? Also, why doesn't the union charge a fixed rate for ptrs? why do we have to submit all of our paystubs and get "reimbursed"? The FTRs don't have to go through such nonsense. Lastly, As a PTR I've encountered nothing but hostility from the FTRs and a constant examination of the hours I work. I make myself available for extra hours (not OT--just straight pay). I work less than 35 hours a week. The FTRs take issue with this because they try to keep me from working extra hours so that they can try to catch some OT for themselves. It is a constant battle and I receive absolutely no support from the Union on this. I believe that when it comes to extra hours, seniority should prevail, as I am senior to some of these FTrs. But I haven't found anything in the contract that either supports or denies this. Can anyone give me any info on this?

also if your po is in art 12 they do not poist residual bids they keep them for employees who may be transferred in because of an excessing in their po

not true a ptr can bid on a newly created full time bid if they are currently qualified and a former full time reg read article 37 in our contact
a ptr who was never full time can only bid on residual bids

A PTR can only bid on FT job if the bid has an unsuccessful bidder

How does a PTR clerk make FT? Thought it was supposed to be the senior PTR/PTFS clerk gets a choice to become FT for a residual FT bid. But then how did all PTFS regardless as to whether they were junior to PTR get to become FT?

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PTRs work fixed schedules under 40 hrs a week. If you are a 20 hr a week person you would get charged 20 hrs of Al for a week off. 30 hrs a week person you get charged 30 hrs and so on .

when a ptr goes on annual how many hours are they charged for the week off

yes the if the full time reg is senior they will be awarded the ptr bid

Does a senior full time regular get award a PTR bid that they wanted ahead of junior PTR's who wanted the same bid?

It's supposed to be for PTR's, but since there are so many more PTF's than PTR's, they post on here from time to time. If you ask your question, probably someone will try to answer it.

Is this a message board for PTF's or PTR's? There is a BIG difference. I thought it was for Part Time REGULARS. The topic says PTRs but I see so many questions for PTFs. Can someone help?

What is your question, exactly?

If it is this: WE were told that there is no senority amongs the few PTFs that we are., that's correct in general.

What issue are you concerned about that you think seniority would have a bearing on? Who is assigned to work more or fewer hours, who can get leave approved, who is getting overtime, who is working the holiday, who is working on a particular route, or what?

Can someone tell me if ptfs have any rights. We have a steward that has his fav. regs. and helps them as much as possible. Are facility is small and he helps management as much as possible because he is on LTD for over 6yrs. Alot of the employees are over 56yrs and don't know much about the contract. WE were told that there is no senority amongs the few PTFs that we are. We are alot younger than the regs. WE ask other Stewards and they say he has always sided with management so they will leave him where he is doing nothing. The steward when we ask a question lies to us with his response. THen he will go tell the vice pres.and Pres. and lie about the question that was asked. WE just found out. Can someone help us with info.

chricwafer /m408 -- you have the verification number? If so, should be a slam dunk. AWOL is an acronym that pretty much defines itself.

i was recently charged with awol by my supervisor and mdo after i called the ul hotline and was granted the leave can they do this and what is the usps definition of awol.

they tried to make me take test to get reinstated i told them i was going to hire a lawyer i was in training shortly after that had to pass psm training been back over 10 years

check the elm it states reinstatement less then 3 years one year
over three years unlimited time but if there is a hiring freeze you may have to wait it took me 5 years to be reinstated

Anyone trying to get reinstated ? I am aware of the current hiring freeze but i need to get back to work ASAP and was wondering if anyone here had some info. I resigned 8 months ago and am now trying to get back in the USPS....I was forced to take the exam over again and jump through all the hoops which i did and i am still left high and dry. Plus my old station is in desperate need for letter carriers....gotta love the USPS. Any info would help...i am just a carrier who needs to get back to work.

I live in Kentucky and I am under the Lexington office. Can anyone tell me how long PTR's have to wait till they can transfer? Is it 18 months or can they transfer sooner?

When I was restated it took me 9 months because they had a hiring freeze.

Hey all,
I resigned about a year ago this month and have been trying to get reinstated. Anyone know how long it would take. I was a PTR but my mom got ill and thought the best thing at the time was to resign. I was a relatively new PTR. Needless to say, it's been about a year. I'm thinking about applying for casual until my reinstatement happens. Would this be a good idea in the meantime since everything takes so long with USPS processing?

I am debating on if I should give you the managers number to personnel because this is a public board everyone and their mother might start bugging her.

Edited by author 05-13-2008 10:45 PM
To Hey ,

Hey , I called them 10 days ago and left a message but no one have call me back yet. :(

Call HR Services contact 1-877-477-3273 tell in North Carolina to see if they can get your separated. But the leave without pay is nothing to worry about as long as you turned in your resignation letter and you have proof such as a fax receipt etc. and if you had health benefits they are not still charging you for that. If so it could get real messy if they say they never got your letter they will send you a bill for all of that money. I would call my local HR office also if I were you.

Good Luck

Edited by author 05-03-2008 12:14 PM
i resign last month how long does it take to get off the payroll iwas in the system for 10yrs. they are lwop me still can i get my lwop reverse?

Ptfs wannabe call them (215) 895-8860 personnel office don't get on their nerves though just call them they could have bypassed your name by accident.

hi egark

they haven't contact me yet . I know that they have check my driving record because PA-state have sended me a confirmation and I have a perfect driving record. Let wait until May to see what is going on :(

Ptfs Wannabe /m392 -- Six whole weeks have passed and they haven't contacted you? I am shocked! How dare they!

On Feb 28 I received an application to be a Ptfs for the USPS in Philadelphia. I filled it out and returned it but Now is april - 15 -2008 i still haven't hear anything back from them. Anyone know anything about Ptfs hiring in Philadelphia - PA and how long does it take for the Ptfs hiring process ? Thanks

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Where can I find the rules that supervisors use to approve annual leave for a PTF? I work between 9 and 10 hours a day - 6 days a week. I want to start using Annual Leave to to get a couple of days off a month.

What limitations? I don't see any reason why a diabetic couldn't be a full duty carrier, but maybe there is more to it.

I am writing hoping someone can send me in the right direction I am a city carrier in Philadelphia, PA I started working as a PTF carrier in 2005 I rolled w/ the punches n became a regular in 2007 I am a diabetic that feels like i've been discriminated against yes i have filed EEO but they did the first step only eversince my medical problems worsened. I've been told by management in more than 1 office that I am no good for them unless I come in full duty I have no problem working I have a problem being told heck w my health if I want to work then I have to go against medical advise n do as told I was under the impression that when u r a regular n u jnform the USPS of medical condition before hire then they have to accomidate me under my limitations I've spoken repeated w my union and I feel as though I haven't been directed in the right directions.If anyone could help w some advice please answer THANX!!!!!!!

Mary, what does your union steward say about it?

In my installation a ton of Newly Created Bids went up.
I am a PTR for 6 months, Is there any way that PTRs
Could bid for these bids

Thank you, Mary

Paul /m384 -- you should pay it back. You received money to which you were not entitled. Why do you think you don't have to give it back? They were stupid to pay you in the first place, but that won't change anything.

 Hello,
 Maybe somebody knows if it is possible to file some kind of request in case not to pay money back to USPS. My story: I was a PTR but because of family reason had to separate. However, after my separation I requested some sick leave I have earned. So, now after several months they start to request them back. What should I do?
 Thanks

I'm a PTR letter carrier in Washington, DC. For years PTR's have been told by hiring and testing that PTR's are hired for six hours a day and five days a week. Mangement has always said PTR's are hired for five hours a day. There has been conflict for years. Where can I find something in black and white that states outline guides for PTR's? By the way, original form 50 only says limit of 38 hrs and then they were changed about a year later to limit of 25 hrs....this was also done without abolshing jobs. Also we have one group that works 6hrs and another who works 5hrs all in the same section. Please Help!

Edited by author 03-17-2008 11:40 PM
I'll try to make this short...

I had just been hired beginning of July, 2007, as a PTR Mailhandler. At the end of July, I got home and my mom was having a diabetic seizure. I panicked and the next day I voluntarily resigned from my position. Needless to say I made a bad decision because of my emotions. I tried filing paperwork to be reinstated, that was 8 months ago. Today I received two PS Form 50, Notice of Personnel Action. One says this notice cancels NOA 997 in order to process NOA 317. I don't know what that means but I'm hoping something is in process. The other PS Form 50 says Master File Review on Line 79. Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I'm hoping to be reinstated back to my PTR position after all the testing and interviews I had to go thru to get the position in the first place.

Thanks.

What is a PTR? Are they required to have bids like FTR's? Can they ever make FTR? Can a PTR be like a PTF but a set scheule but no duty assignment? A little help please

Depends on where you are.

Is there a hiring freeze on making PTF a Regular carriers

paul: write a letter to the PM of the office you want to be reinstated to. i hope you had a good reason for quitting, and had an excellent work record. i was reinstated, but i left after having a baby. i had 15 years of excellent service. it was a breeze.

rural carrier: absolutely you can be reinstated. ask the PM where you are to send for your personnel records from your old PO.

Can I get my previous PTR position, if I have resigned three months ago, and now want return to USPS? Is there any applications or requests. Before separation, I was working as PTR, for 8 months.
Thanks

Mary Wienstien /m373 -- ELM 512.312.C.1

I just received my vacation pay and I am not sure if I got credited the right amount. Does anyone out their in PTR land know how many hours we are entitled to??? I just became a PTR last year and I am employed in Texas and I am @ step P. Before I became a PTR I was receiving 208 hours every January. If any PTR knows for certain how many hours we are supposed to be receiving please let me know.

I am a RCA that quit my job 3 months ago as I was moving and was told I could NOT transfer to another state. Now I am being told by the postmaster in my new state of AL that I could have transferred. Does anyone know if I could possibly be reinstated?? No one seems to know the answer to this question. Thanks for your help.

sleepless /m370 -- get some sleep and look again- the info is on the home page. Click the "About" button.

Before I pitch in here...who sponsors this site? I'm not finding thatinfo.

Edited by author 01-04-2008 11:02 AM
paul: you can write and request reinstatement. do it now.

AR Postmaster
By the way thanks for the speedy replys.

AR Postmaster
Your register does not have any CPS applicants that comes from Group 1 (which is where I faal in. All of the applicants that you mention are apart of Group 2. From my readings and understanding Group 1 eligibles applicants are to be offered positions ahead of Group 2 even if applicants in Group 2 scores are higher than applicants in Group 1. If I'm mistaken please let me know.

/m362 Are you asking if the Postal Service is required to find you another job? The answer to that would be, no. As a casual, veteran or not, you have no particular rights.

J.D. - The HB EL-312 takes a fairly simple method and makes it confusing.
Today I received a hiring register. #1 has a score of 94.6 and is not a veteran, #2 has a score of 94.2 and is a TP veteran (5 points), #3 has a score of 90.00 and is a TP veteran #4 - 10 are all non-veterans. I can select #1 because they are the highest score (after all extra points are added in). I could non-select #1 and select #2 using the rule of three, but I could not skip #2 to select #3 because #2 is a veteran. I could not skip #2 and #3 to get to #6 because #2 and #3 are veterans. Assuming everyone on the register is qualified for a job I could not skip #2 to get to a lower score. I hope this helps.

Edited by author 12-31-2007 06:00 AM
AR Postmater,
Maybe I'm reading thae infoI got offthe USPS web site, So I'm post it here to see if anyine esle is reading and interping it the way I am. See Handbook EL-312, 48, Veterans’ Preference, for specific
procedural guidelines.

414.2 Basic Order for Organizing a Register
The basic order is the primary method for organizing a register. There are two groups, Group 1 and Group 2. Eligibles are arranged by computer or other method in the following order.

414.21 Group 1, Compensable Disability Eligibles
Applicants who claim 10–point preference based on a compensable military service–connected disability of 10 percent or more are arranged at the top of the register in descending order of final numerical rating in this group. The applicant’s final scores are identified by the designation CP (service–connected disability that is at least 10 percent but less than 30 percent compensable) or CPS service–connected disability that is 30 percent or more compensable).

414.22 Group 2, All Other Eligibles in Order
Other eligibles are in the following order:

Eligibles claiming other 10–point preference (scores are identified by XP) and eligibles claiming 5–point preference (scores are identified by TP) are placed ahead of nonpreference eligibles with the same final (total) numerical rating.
XP eligibles are placed ahead of TP eligibles with the same final rating.
414.3 Order for Registers Established for Jobs Restricted to Preference Eligibles
District human resources uses the following order when registers are established for positions restricted to preference eligibles (those eligibles entitled to veteran’s preference):

Final scores with CP or CPS arranged in order of numerical rating.
All remaining scores for applicants who claim veterans’ preference marked XP or TP in order of numerical rating.
All remaining scores in order of numerical rating (if nonveterans were allowed to compete).

Edited by author 12-31-2007 05:30 AM
Jimbone I can really do without your sarcastic replys.

I am a casual being "axed" by the post office 31 Dec 07. The problem have is management is so "cunning" not to include, workers want you to do the work, but at the end they are letting you go, with no word except thru the grapevine. My problem is as a DV 50%, they claim to need to get rid of casual to make room Mail Handler's. My question is have taken the test been on list for over 1 1/2 & extended name for an additional year, are they obligated to release find another job to accomodate employment?

Can I get my previous PTR position, if I have resigned three months ago, and now want return to USPS? Is there any applications or requests. Before separation, I was working as PTR, for 8 months.
Thanks

Edited by author 12-29-2007 02:49 PM
Did the PTF thing and no thanks. Got tired of being taken advantage of. I like it right where Im at.

All PTR's at the STL BMC have been converted to PTFS. 15 PTR's from the STL P&DC were converted to PTFS and assigned to the BMC. Where ever you are if you want to change to PTFS now seems to be the time to request the conversion. Local union says management is going to be doing this across the country. Don't know if its true, but it might be the right time to do it. Good luck

Edited by author 12-28-2007 04:41 PM
Jeni:ptr's have a set schedule. most locations have a separate seniority list. some do not. if your local contract does not make any provision pertaining to ptr's, then NO, you are not to work OT unless everyone else does. i've been there, done that. in fact, you are never to work OT unless there is an emergency situation as far as the mail goes. i worked outside of my schedule for 5 years.

ar is correct. hey as long as you have a job be happy. one day (20 yrs from now) you will have plenty of seniority. lol

J.D. - you are partically correct. 10 points would be added to your score and you would be placed where ever your new score landed but not necessarly at the top of the roster. If with your 10 points your new score is 91 any scores higher that that (vet or not) would be higher on the roster than you. A vet can not be passed over to get to a non-vet with a lower score however someone with a higher score could be selected.

Edited by author 12-23-2007 10:51 PM
I was offered the position as a PTF clerk back in Jan 06, but the day before I was to take my physical I was called and informed that all the positions had been frozen. I then started working as a casual in Dec 06 and hired on as a PTR Apr 07. Recently I discoverd that 3 person were hired with the same senority daye that I would have had back in Jan 06. I am a 10 point vet with 30% disable rating, from my reading I was to be placed at the topof the hiring register above non vets, and the three that were hired are all non vet, so my question is can I do something about this now.

the month of december has its way with all crafts. no grievances. it is almost over......

Mcgt: wondering if you filed a grievance on working overtime? I'm also a PTR who is being forced into overtime. I have young children at home and like my "part time" hours the way they were. Management says it's because of the holidays yet not all the Full time Regs are working OT!!

Handling It
Thanks for the responce to my question.

JD

Edited by author 12-06-2007 01:14 AM
JD: if it's a clerk position, the clerk union should file a grievance. if you want to work there and they don't mind, file a grievance for higher pay. it's going to come down to a grievance.

It's open today, just like you said, sweetie. Thanks for the info.

/m347 This is the message I get when I go there: This announcement opening is now closed. We are not accepting any additional applications at this time. Thank you for your interest in postal employment.

Got hired as a PTR in April of 07, been working out of my pay location since July. Currently work in 2 day bullben, I'm told that it's a clerk position @ lv 6 and I shouldn't be working in that location since I'm a mailhandler. The shop stewaed for the clearks says I shouldnt but the shop stewaerd for mailhandles say that i can work there. I aske dfor higer lv pay and was denide by management, even through I do the majority of the work and seening the the dispact time are meet while the expeditor that is assign to that pay location is off doing whatever. Some 1 please advise.

Thanks

J.D.

Jenny,
The 473 signup has been opened for the MidAmerica area starting on Dec. 3 thur Dec. 14. Go to www.usps.com/employment and use announcement number 211880. The test will be given early next year, this is just the sign up to take it.

mcgt: file a grievance. if the ftr's aren't mandatory, neither are you. you have a set schedule.

Just keep looking at the usps.com website. At the bottom there is a link "Jobs". Here is where it takes you: https://uspsapps.hr-services.org/
You won't have an announcement number, so just click "continue" and click on your state. Check every week or two. I doubt if anywhere will be giving them anytime soon.

I am trying to find out if anyone knows when the next 473 test will be?

Thank you for any help you can give me..

Jenny

Im a PTR currently working 6 days a week 6hrs per day.But for the last 2 weeks I have been forced to work 2 hrs overtime each day? Can this just go on and on...local union is of no help! How can I fight this and get back to my normal 36hrs?

Paul, I found nothing vague about it.......it simply says if you are a career employee and work 30 or more hours.......you get the allowance. Any how I wish you luck.

Our casuals average 60 hours a week. That's 20 hrs overtime. The night shift (I work days) casuals & PTRs told me that they go on break with the regulars. If the supervisor has a problem with the breaks, she/he will have the problem with everybody. We told them never take a break alone. Management here has been known to pounce on you if you on break by yourself (extended break, unauthorized etc.)

Handling It /m339 -- What do you mean by "a casual does not get paid overtime"? If they work more than 40 hours they get paid OT.

Edited by author 11-21-2007 11:59 PM
a ptr clerk gets a break every 2 hrs, just like a ftr. a casual does not get paid overtime.

Jbol, I am glad you got your clothing allowance, however I did as much research as I could and even called HR and was told that PTR's as well as PTF's are not eligible for clothing allowances. I also received that same booklet but I found it somewhat vauge on who actually recieves clothing allowances and it said nothing about PTR's specifically. Thanks Paul

how many breaks ptrs get ,also does ptrs get overtime ,and if so are casual aloud overtime before ptrs

What kind of info on breaks?

does anyone have info on breaks for ptr's

Yes I got it on my credit card..........going to a shop steward is not the way to go, you need to ask your supervisor. As I said "the post office just sent me a pamplet about who is eligible for a clothing allowance. And it says if you work 30 or more hours a week you are eligible".

Jbol- did you actually get your clothing allowance on your clothing allowance card? My Branch Pres and a shop steward went into the manual and after researching they are certain that we as PTR's are "Not" eligible.
Also if there are any other PTR's out there that have recieved a clothing allowance please advise. Thank you Paul

If you work 30 or more hours you get a clothing allowance.........Yes Im a PTR and work 30 hours a week and yes I get a clothing allowance. As a matter of fact the post office just sent me a pamplet about who is eligible for a clothing allowance. And it says if you work 30 or more hours a week you are eligible.

Actually my Branch President just looked up the clothing allownace and according to the handbook PTR's are "NOT" entitled to the clothing allowance. If any PTR is receiving a clothing allowance please advise.
Thank you, Paul

yep, if you work 30 or more hours a week

Hi,
I just transferred to Florida from NJ. I have over 20+ yrs as a MH.
Can anyone tell me for "certain" if I am still entitled to the clothing allowance???
Regards,
Paul

PTR's can bid on newly created positions.

Let me clarify some job tittles before going further:
Mark-up clerks : no longer exit,COAs are now being handled by the CIOSS,they used to have level 4 pay.
PTRs can only bid on PTR positions,unless they can convert to FTR,they're more likely "stuck",some choose to be PTR some were hired PTR.
PTFs can not bid.
Residuals might be assigned to unasssigned FTRs or senior PTFs
Test 473 are given and craft is selected base on the scores.I don't know the cut-off point but higher score = clerks.Mailhandlers are getting the short end of the shaft,they generally work harder and paid less.In general,it takes longer for a clerk to become regular as compare to mailhandlers.If you're mechanically inclined,try to get into maintenance and get out of the rat race.

Thanks, PO & Ex Clerk, for the info. Didn't think you can be "stuck" in a position and there's always ways to transfer and change, just wanted some input from people on the inside. I also read here that as a PTR you can only bid on PTR positions, would that apply to other crafts? And if as a PTR you can also bid on residuals, would this mean residuals on other crafts as well and if those residuals are PTF's or something other than PTR, would one be able to bid on those? Or do you have to be a PTF / FTR, etc. to do it?

This may be a stupid question but isn't it the same test (473)was given for mail handlers, processing clerks etc? Why is it that i'm being told by people i know who are usps employees that the mail handlers are paid less than, lets say, mark-up clerks?

Not true, Ex Clerk I had a friend that transfered from one usps to another from a Mail handler to a Mark UP Clerk it is done all the time as long the only one you have to be qualified on a new exam is for a maintanence jobs such as custodian, mechanic, etc. All you have to be qualified on is the battery 470 or battery 473 depending on when you started.

I may be wrong but as far as I know you can "down-grade" but not "up-grade".For example,a clerk can convert to a mailhandler or custodian but custodians can not be converted to mailhandlers or mailhandlers can not be converted to clerks without passing certain exams.

Great site, a lot of info. I went through the postings and may just have missed it but wanted some info...going for interview as PTR mailhandler, wanted to know if it's possible sometime in the future to transfer to more clerical craft like mark-up clerk or such? Even as a PTR. Thanks.

its back up and running now the address is http://www.lunewsviews.com/askquestions/index.php

which one??

Be careful what you say on here one of the forums for the PO was shut down last week!

Steve: There is no job description for Part Time Regular as being a PTR is a status and not a job. A job description is for the specific jobs that are performed, i.e. Carrier, mail handler, mail processing clerk etc... PTR is a status like Full Time Regular, Part Time Flex etc...

Tom Sawyer: Where she does not have access to the grievance procedure she does have the right to file an EEO complaint of discrimination. I would look to see if there is a possible claim for disability discrimination.

Where can I get a job description for PART TIME REGULAR and are they still hiring Part Time Regular Clerks?

Thanx PO. Thought I had somethin against the BMC here in St. Louis. Got quite a few idiots working here and it plays hell tryin to keep em all in line

Tom Sawyer,

If she is coming in the PO after having surgery and not being able to do the job. Then yes management has every right to let her go and for your information during your 90 days you don't have access to the grievance procedure.

I just left this message on www.21cpw.com in the General Union Business. I do not know how long it will stay up on this website. So I am also posting it here

festusw@yahoo.com
San Diego Local 197
Member only
- Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 10:51:10 (PDT)

I would like to apologize to Frank and Randy for the actions of a few individuals in our local. Because, of an idividual actions who attacked my posting. My original posting was removed. About 1 week ago, I posted here the below written message. I was only just asking for information from other Union members so I could see if I was correct in my understanding of this article that was written in our local newsletter.


Hello Everyone,

I am a member of San Diego Local 197. Two days ago, I just recieved my my Local's Newsletter "the Potpourri". Inside this issue beginning with the cover page were the normal items that I had seen in earlier issues. But beginning on page 10 of this issue I began to get disturbed while reading on article by Chief Shop Steward Will Tagart. The reason I was getting disturbed was this Chief Shop Steward was attacking fellow Union Members. One Union member he was attacking was the former Vice President of our Local 197 who had resigned do to disagreeing with our current Local President. The other member the Chief Shop Steward is attacking in the article is the current Asst. Clerk Craft Director Tammy Yorsch. This verbal attack goes on for three pages and is then followed by twenty one pages of documents that the Chief Shop Steward says supports his accusations.

I have taken the time to scan the complete issue of our Local's newsletter into JPEG's. I am willing to send this to anyone who would care to see what is currently being pushed onto the members of this local. If someone out there can look this over for I believe that there is something fundementally wrong with what has happened. Please let me know if I am right concerning this? If so what can either I or someone at National do about this abuse?

Thank you,

Marion Williams


So Randy and Frank keep up the good work on this website for I have gotten good information from it in the past and look forward to reviewing it later.

Thank you,

Marion F. Williams

I was a casual carrier before becoming a PTR 5 months ago. When I took the PTR position, I asked if I would stay on the register and receive a letter once carrier hiring began. Currently casuals that have taken the test are getting letters to be PTF carrier's while I'm stuck here as a PTR with only 30 hours per week. Making a third of what I was making as a casual. Can anyone help me with my options to get out of this PTR position. Already submitted a letter to be changed over to a PTF mail handler. I guess what I'm really trying to find out do I have to wait 18 months to which craft, get geting conficting answers

yeah she does but there is an abundance of work within these limitations she can do with no one else doing it. we gots real good stupidvision at the STL BMC.

Does she currently have medical restrictions that limit what she can do?

I have a bit of a dilema at the STL BMC. A PTR, whom due to surgery, has not completed her 90 day eval period. Management has decided not to let her work due to not being able to evaluate some one not able to do the job. I have filed on this showing management has not made every effort to keep her employed. Anybody got any other info on this? It would really help.

Marcus: In response to your msg, I would contact your Local Prez in regards to your question. If your b/p is not able to provide you with an answer, this should be your next move. PTR's (to my knowledge) are to fill/assist in times areas will be lacking additional help or for areas that require work for only 6 hours out of the day. Have your union monitor the positions available, and justify the needs to have ptf's converted. Again, if you still cannot obtain your information that you need, contact your local prez.

Your holiday schedule was not posted? Being a "regular" employee, unless you are listed as a non-volunteer for the holiday (or your day designated as the holiday), I would venture to say that you are not needed. Thus, stay home. Your holiday schedule (if you are a m/h) MUST be posted by Tuesday at noon the week PRECEDING the actual holiday.

Edited by author 08-31-2007 08:57 AM
PavelM, there should be a holiday schedule posted somewhere in the building

I am new PTR working about 5 month. I heard that I could get day off on Labor Day. However, supervisor did not ask me anything. Should I just stay at home or may be it is not a good idea?

Forget egark. Does anybody know the answer to Marcus' question? I am kinda interested in that too.

WHERES NO LIFE EGARK!

OOPS!! I mean PTRs.

We are mailhandler flexes. Our manager plans to revert 3 jobs for the PTEs coming in. These vacant jobs were supposed to go up for bid and they would become residuals. (no one will bid on them, crappy days and Tour 1). Even if someone bids, when all is said and done there would be residuals. If he does this, it delays our becoming regular till 2008. He was only told that he might be getting the PTRs. That was 2 months ago. He is sitting on the bids waiting for folks to come. Can the union file about this?

yes newly hired PTR mailhandlers do start at AA

PTR mailhandler, that is.

Does a newly hired PTR start out at level AA?

childish behavior must be right about you, I see the dates and times! WOW Egark try to focus on something else.

Edited by author 08-25-2007 07:32 AM
childish behavior -- nice hissy fit and taking your ball and going home. And WE are childish?

GROW UP! I STUCK WITH VIEW EGARK YOU MUST REALLY HAVE NO LIFE TO KEEP CHECKING THIS BOARD AND TRY TO ASSERT BE CORRECT! I WON'T BE BACK TO THIS CHILDISH BOARD!

egark: YOU ARE CORRECT. the LMU cannot be inconsistent with the national. for leave purposes the local covers that. offices are different all over the country.

Sandy /m290 -- yes, I know you were agreeing and I thank you for the support. I was just taking the opportunity to reiterate View's erroneous statement without addressing him directly :)

childish behavior /m292 -- your example is irrelevant because the National does not cover how A/L is distributed in an office. That IS properly covered by the LMU. The point is that on any subject covered by the National the LMU can not change or vary it. So come up with a better example.

All I can say is I have worked at two post offices and the national said one thing and the local said another and the local overruled the national. No one is wrong here it depends on how management is doing things and if the union lets them get away with it. Again I say Children, Children behave. For instance, a regular would have senority over a PTF for annual at one usps no matter what the senority date was the PTF could be 1997 and the regular could be 2000. Then at another USPS just because the PTF was 1997 and the regular was 2000 the PTF got leave first...GROW UP IT IS ONLY A JOB!

Children, Children please behave

I am agreeing with you egark. All I can say is if you file a grievance, rest assure the national is the book we use for everything. If you look at the things that can be negotiated in a local it is minor in the scheme of things. I came from a plant where the book was closed during vacations. Here where I am now, if someone was on vacation, another person can geT incidental leave. Here a section is by tour. We negotiated our local to get perks. The local just gives you things that will affect your facility. We are not negotiating this year, management has indicated they wanted to change some things. We are quietly laying in the cut. NATIONAL RULES!!

Sandy /m288 -- As I posted in /m276 the National Agreement clearly states, twice, that LMUs shall be NOT inconsistent or in conflict or vary the terms of the National. View is claiming that the same section means that LMUs CAN be inconsistent and will override the National.

View: If the national says post the ODL signup list every quarter and the local says every month, who is correct? I just used this as an example. We went through some stuff here because the previous steward, now retired, had changed so many things in the local to help management that when we had to file about something, we used the national. This was a new building and she was the only one with postal time. Everybody was new. I transferred in and became a steward because of the local. She even tried to alter the bidding process. You can't overide this.

view /m286 -- obviously I am not very bright so how about bailing out this stupid person and fill me in on what I am missing.

READ IT AGAIN

Edited by author 08-23-2007 05:39 PM
view /m284 -- I have read it many times and see nothing to change my mind. You made this statement: /m282 "YOU READ IT YOURSELF THIS SAYS THAT A LOCAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE NATIONAL OR IN CONFLICT WITH THE 2006 NATIONAL AGREEMENT SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT" This statement is 100% wrong as it leaves out the most important word. It actually says that a local NOT inconsistent with the national or in conflict with the 2006 National Agreement shall remain in effect.

All I can say egark is read it again and I won't throw insults I am too old for that!

view /281 -- You need to follow your own advice. You need to keep reading until YOU get it. Maybe your shop steward can take your hand like the teacher in first grade when you were learning to read and make you point to each word, and maybe you will eventually see the word "NOT" before inconsistent. So, to paraphrase what you said : READ IT YOURSELF THIS SAYS THAT A LOCAL not INCONSISTENT WITH THE NATIONAL...

A. Presently effective local memoranda of understanding
not inconsistent or in conflict with the 2006 National
Agreement shall remain in effect during the term of this
Agreement unless changed by mutual agreement pursuant
to the local implementation procedure set forth below or, as a
result of an arbitration award or settlement arising from either
party’s impasse of an item from the presently effective local
memorandum of understanding.
[b] YOU READ IT YOURSELF THIS SAYS THAT A LOCAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE NATIONAL OR IN CONFLICT WITH THE 2006 NATIONAL AGREEMENT SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNLESS CHANGED BY.....
THE BOTTOM SAYS THE LOCAL AND NATIONAL WILL AGREE ON THE FOLLOWING IN 22 ITEMS IN SECTION B: [B/]

B. There shall be a 30 consecutive day period of local
implementation which shall occur within a period of 60 days
commencing April 2, 2007 on the 22 specific items
enumerated below, provided that no local memorandum of
understanding may be inconsistent with or vary the terms of
the 2006 National Agreement:

egark keep reading it until you get it...........that is all I can say or have a shop steward interpret it for you.

view /m278 -- I read the entire thing that and I don't see anything that says if the national and local disagree then the local wins. The way I read it, it says exactly the opposite, twice: Section A - "local memoranda of understanding not inconsistent or in conflict with the 2006 National
Agreement shall remain in effect" and Section B - "no local memorandum of
understanding may be inconsistent with or vary the terms of
the 2006 National Agreement".

ALSO UNDER ITEM B THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE LOCAL AND NATIONAL MUST AGREE ON THE LIST GOES ON AS FOLLOWS:
Article 30.B.8
8. Whether jury duty and attendance at National or
State Conventions shall be charged to the choice
vacation period.
9. Determination of the maximum number of employees
who shall receive leave each week during the
choice vacation period.
10. The issuance of official notices to each employee
of the vacation schedule approved for such
employee.
11. Determination of the date and means of notifying
employees of the beginning of the new leave year.
12. The procedures for submission of applications for
annual leave during other than the choice vacation
period.
13. The method of selecting employees to work on a
holiday.
14. Whether “Overtime Desired” lists in Article 8 shall
be by section and/or tour.
15. The number of light duty assignments within each
craft or occupational group to be reserved for
temporary or permanent light duty assignment.
16. The method to be used in reserving light duty
assignments so that no regularly assigned member
of the regular work force will be adversely affected.
17. The identification of assignments that are to be
considered light duty within each craft represented
in the office.
18. The identification of assignments comprising a
section, when it is proposed to reassign within an
installation employees excess to the needs of a
section.
19. The assignment of employee parking spaces.
20. The determination as to whether annual leave to
attend Union activities requested prior to determination
of the choice vacation schedule is to be part
of the total choice vacation plan.
21. Those other items which are subject to local
negotiations as provided in the craft provisions of
this Agreement.
22. Local implementation of this Agreement

EGARK IF YOU ARE GOING TO POST, I SUGGEST POSTING THE ENTIRE MESSAGE AND READING IT THE LOCAL DOES OVERRIDE THE NATIONAL. READ THE ENTIRE PIECE AND FROM READING WHAT YOU WROTE I ALSO SEE THAT:



A. Presently effective local memoranda of understanding
not inconsistent or in conflict with the 2006 National
Agreement shall remain in effect during the term of this
Agreement unless changed by mutual agreement pursuant
to the local implementation procedure set forth below or, as a
result of an arbitration award or settlement arising from either
party’s impasse of an item from the presently effective local
memorandum of understanding.
B. There shall be a 30 consecutive day period of local
implementation which shall occur within a period of 60 days
commencing April 2, 2007 on the 22 specific items
enumerated below, provided that no local memorandum of
understanding may be inconsistent with or vary the terms of
the 2006 National Agreement:
1. Additional or longer wash-up periods.
2. The establishment of a regular work week of five
days with either fixed or rotating days off.
3. Guidelines for the curtailment or termination of
postal operations to conform to orders of local
authorities or as local conditions warrant because
of emergency conditions.
4. Formulation of local leave program.
5. The duration of the choice vacation period(s).
6. The determination of the beginning day of an
employee’s vacation period.
7. Whether employees at their option may request
two selections during the choice vacation period,
in units of either 5 or 10 days.

thanks egark for the info

Edited by author 08-21-2007 07:56 PM
view /m275 -- it is pretty clear: (from the APWU National Agreement)

ARTICLE 30: LOCAL IMPLEMENTATION
A. Presently effective local memoranda of understanding
not inconsistent or in conflict with the 2006 National
Agreement shall remain in effect ...

B. There shall be a 30 consecutive day period of local
implementation... provided that no local memorandum of
understanding may be inconsistent with or vary the terms of
the 2006 National Agreement

No local can supercede the National

(Bold emphasis is mine)

heard it from apwu president of my local. where did you hear that the national overrides. Different rules for different po's sorry that the way it is. I have worked in two po's as a clerk and both had different lmou with different rules that overrode the national.

the local lmou does not override the national where did you hear that from

sorry career ptr it depends on their lmou their union should be able to tell them the rules locally. Your post will just confuse them more because it is nationally the local lmou overrides national.

also as of 1995 ptrs and ftrs are on one seniority list

in the clerks national contract it reads something like a ptr can bid on a ftr position IF it is a newly created position, the ptr was a former ftr and they muat be currently qualified. residual bids should be posted to ptrs if any go unbid to ftrs.

I use to be a PTR and it depend on your lmou. I was able to bid on FTR vacancies when I became senior to the senior PTF. In other words once the PTF's that were senior to me were made regular I had my chance. Talk to your union.

Pavel: Ptr's can only bid on ptr positions. However, a ptr can request to convert to a ptf position, which then provides the opportunity to convert to ftr. All Local presidents should have rec'd some type of informational packet from their National offices. Check with your local president and see if any information was rec'd, then your BP should be acquiring the information also. Hope this helps.

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Part-time employees

with less than three years of creditable service earn one (1) hour of annual leave for each 20 hours in a pay status;
with three years but less than 15 years of creditable service earn one (1) hour of annual leave for each 13 hours in a pay status; and
with 15 or more years of creditable service earn one (1) hour of annual leave for each 10 hours in a pay status

Hi. I am new PTR and I heard that it is possible for PTR's to bit at regular emploies positions. Does somebody knows anything about that, or that was not true? Thanks

you will get five weeks rate of 26 hrs per week
i work 30 hrs a week so i get approx 150 hrs of al
be careful tho in the elm it says ptrs earn their al if you don't work the hrs you could lose some using any leave w/o pay could cause this

I WILL BE TURNING OVER TO 26 HOUR PTR NEXT MONTH FROM FULL TIME REGULAR. I AM NOW GETTING 208 HRS AL, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF I STAY AT THAT LEVEL OR DO I LOOSE AL EVERY YEAR SINCE I AM WORKING ONLY 26HRS/WEEK?

jbol,
 Thanks for answering. I ll try to submit the letter to Manager.

PavelM,88 weeks is your first step increase. You need to put a letter in to the plant manager and your supervisor saying that you would like to be considered for a flex position.

Hello.
  I am new PTR. It was only the way for me to become a career employ, but I would like to become PTF or somehow to get more working hours. Can anyone tell me what should I do to become a PTF, or maybe there are some hidden ways to increase my working hours? In addition, I would like to know how long I have to work before my salary will increase, because now it is almost like my casual salary.
 Thanks.

No you donot lose your health benefits..............You have to work at least 20 hours to keep them

If you're a ftr and transfer to to another bldg as a ptf will you lose your health benefits?

Hello! great idea of color of this siyte!

will they be making ptrs in philadelphia

Edited by author 08-06-2007 01:30 PM
ptrs have an assigned job, in my case it is a bid job since I bid the job from FTR. If you were hired on as a PTR you have to put in a request to become a flex. I can always bid back to FTR because I started as a flex went FTR then bid to PTR. Flexes always get moved before anybody else. They are not supposed to move FTRs or PTRs from there assigned area or bid job. In the plant I work at FTRs, PTRs, and flexes all have thier own seniority list. All the Ptrs in the plant I work at work 6 hrs a day 5 days a week, however the ones at the stations work 4 hrs a day 6 days a week...................hope this helps

I am curious about part time regulars. Hopefully you guys can answer. Do all ptrs have bids? If so, are most of the bids for 6 days a week? Has anybody been given the chance to become a flex? If you have a bid job, how is seniority used ( regualrs, flexes +ptrs) to send someone to another section? Thanks for any answers. We have a rookie steward and he is checking things out but the union off ice up the road is slow to respond.

question /m252 -- what happened to Handling It in 1992 is not necessarily how it gets done today. You have gotten some anecdotal evidence that you should get your step back, but I am the only one who actually gave you a book reference.

Became a PTR 14 Apr 07, I have a few questions I need help with. First wondering if any other PTRs out there have had problems with holiday pay, as of today I still have not received holiday pay for Memorial day, I have went to my supervisor, Atal and the union 4 pay periods after the fact and still no results. Next I just recently was moved from LCTS 4 to the GLA Bullpen, is this a mailhandler position or clerk position, clerks keep telling me that I should be reciving a higher level of pay for work in the bullpen is this true? Last question do any other PTRs feel like they are casuals and not regulars, get moved around to the dock and other locations while casuals are still working in my pay location.
Thank in advance

Handling it or their any books that says they are supposed to do that I came back 9 months later and they started me all over again.

to whomever: you should call the national union office. i resigned in 1991 to have a child. but came back less than 1 1/2 year later. all they did was back the 1 1/2 years from the step. so i was a level 5 step n instead of o. get it? i came back at the same pay rate. if the rule has changed, see when the date was. but i would only trust someone at national. they really don't know what they are doing with ptr's. it's different in the country. at one time they were the "thing of the future." shorter work weeks, saving money. but the union will fight them. you will get stuck in a ptr position unless you keep your seniority and have high seniority and get to bid on a newly created job. if you are a ftr, i would stay unless you are a female, married, and don't care about the money. just my opinion.

You should call the local union office of whatever craft you are going in to find out and your pay rate will not change as long as it is the same craft....ftr and ptr of the same craft make the same rate...........

what befenit would there be in going from a ftr to a ptr besides the # of hours that u no longer have to work? How long will it take to make ftr after becoming a ptr if u don't like the position? Does u'r pay rate change from ftr level to ptr-would it decrease? Do ptr's work on tour 1 or do they normally work daytime hours? Are u allowed to bid as long as there are bids for ptr's or is it a flat NO? When putting in for a transfer I am told that there's only openings for ptr's now not so many ptfs-it that the new way of transfering? Thanx for all the info. Very curious in the ptr position because no seems to know the true title and rules and regulations that come with ptr's in Miami,FL.

Edited by author 07-26-2007 06:52 AM
question /m247 -- I didn't take "get my pay back" to mean "return at my previous salary." ELM 422.121a says you get rehired at the first step. Must admit I am surprised at that- I would have thought you come back at your old rate.

I said pay back I left making 23.11 and now I am making 13.92 better off trying to get to another federal agency

question /m245 -- that section has to do with step increases. They will give you credit toward your next step if you are re-employed within 52 weeks. What back pay are you looking for?

I want it to mean I get my pay back and is their anything that says if you are reemployed within 52 weeks you will get your pay back.

What do you want it to mean?

thats a shocker ..........you mean hr is telling you something different? No suprise there.

I know that but someone in HR services was telling me something different....................

question /m240 -- it means exactly what it says. What don't you get?

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS


422.132 Creditable Service
The following provisions apply:
a. Postal Service. Except as provided in this section, credit for
advancement for step increases may be earned only by career
employees in pay status on the rolls of the Postal Service. For
computing creditable service, the following applies:
(1) Service Week. In computing the required waiting period, each full
service week beginning at 12:01 a.m. Saturday and ending at 12
midnight the following Friday is creditable.
(2) Leave Without Pay (LWOP). Periods of LWOP of less than 13
weeks for which no step deferment is made are included with paid
service in computing the waiting period of service (see 422.133).
(3) Prior Service. Employees reinstated or reemployed to a career
position within 52 weeks of separation are allowed credit (not in
excess of 52 weeks) for prior service provided:
(a) An equivalent increase was not received at the time of
reinstatement or reemployment.
(b) The prior service was not under a casual or temporary
appointment

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this is all hebrew to me!!!!
what the hell is this site about?????

depends on your local lmou as to whether or not a ptr becomes regular when I was a ptr I made regular if I wanted only after the flexis senior to me made regular casual 2 ptr you really have to find out what your lmou says by getting the book and reading it or asking a union rep and having them verify what they are telling you by showing you it in the lmou.

CASUAL 2 PTR /m228 -- you will never become an FTR. You must switch to PTF first.

sorry at the end of my message I meant jbol not free spirit. you are welcome jbol.

thanks info, Just called them and you are correct.

re:CASUAL 2 PTR What you will need to do if you did not do it already is put a request in writing and as they hire new PTFs or if they do hire PTFs you will get first crack and then in time, depending on your facilities needs if it is a small vs large facility you would go onto FTR status.
This is for the most part the process however there are other variables that may need to be taken into account. Peace

Free Spirit you are wrong it does not matter how much you contribute you still get matched and the automatic 1 % if you are eligible. You will only get matched 3% on the first 3% if you are giving 3% and 50 cents on every dollar for the next 2 %. Therefore you can give 1% but you will only receive 1% matching. Also the dates are as follows for when you are eligible to be matched and receive the automatic 1% if you started 12/1/05-5/31/06 you are eligible on Dec 2006
6/1/06-11/30/06 you are eligible on June 2007
12/1/06-5/31/07 you are eligible on Dec 2007
all of this information is on the tsp website www.tsp.gov if you fall within these dates call hr services at 18774773273 for them to do a correction and retro matching free spirit.

re:jbol You have to be contributing 5% to get matching funds. If you are contributing less than 5 it won't get matched.
Go to this TSP forum to post your questions and good valuable sound TSP info
http://www.quicktopic.com/32/H/7HwQTkFWBmz

how long does it take the usps to match you in the thrift savings plan? I have been there almost a year and have nothing saying they are matching.

HOW LONG DO I HAVE TO BE A PTR BEFORE I BECOME FTR?

Dear info, you need to relax and enjoy the boards. They are very informative and where else are you going to get quality tips from such a broad spectrum. I am probably alot older than you and have many years in the PO. Take my advice just have fun, take a chill pill and enjoy life before it passes you by...


Have a wonderful day,
MR BIll Waller

oh and ra situation was perfect for the message board he was being hired already had starting dates wanted advice on what to do. Everything is not for the message board every situation is different just like the young lady Suzanne the only thing that could be told to her was to call. I know HR Services sucks but if you bud them more times then not they get off of their a--es.

I understand what you all are saying. However, the message boards cannot approve your transfer and they certainly cannot make the USPS get off of their a-- and do their jobs. I know this from first hand experience.....

I DEFINATELY RECIEVED THE BEST INFO COMING TO THIS BOARD. THERE ARE SO MANY INFORMATIVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT TO HELP. IN FACT I JUST TOLD MY CO-WORKER LAST NIGHT ABOUT THIS BOARD. WE EVEN GET MORE INFO THAN THE UNION GIVES US. DOUBLE THUMBS UP TO THIS BOARD AND ALL THE HELPFUL POSTERS.

I'm also grateful for all the info on this board. Being brand new to the postal service, it's an entirely different world with all the different job classifications, ways to bid on jobs, ways to transfer, etc., it can be overwhelming at first.

This message board definitely helped me become informed on lots of things before my start date. I'll continue to check the board regularly.

what is hr? is that a joke? before i got my transfer all i evr heard was an answering machine - message board was much more helpful 4 me - thanks and i allways get my information here 1st.

re:info I have been working for the USPS for over 19 yrs and just relying on the HR or personnel for answers can be a very daunting task. Most HR or personnel offices have been sent else where and you can't even get through.

I have many friends that use this message board and other boards as well and they would agree that they are very very helpful and useful.

Take it from me you probably stand a better chance of getting your answers answered here more quickly and easily(I do all the time) than you can by just relying on HR or personnel because in most cases they don't want to be bothered!!! :)

To everyone out their, please be smart enough to call if you are awaiting a transfer don't be like Suzanne Klien wasting all of your time on a message board from 6/1/2007 - 6/28/2007 trying to get answers about your transfer. Please be smart enough to call your local hr offices they are still their or the hr offices you are transfering to or hr services. She wasted all that time when the only thing people could tell her to do was call when she finally did instead of relying on what the po was doing for someone else she got good news. Please, Please, Please I know we all work at the USPS but we are not stupid use your brain.

Thanks for all the folks who helped me with "valuable info" on this message board. My PTR start date is 7/21.

Edited by author 06-27-2007 06:35 PM
Well finished orientation and ready to report! Got my picture badge today too! Tomorrow 7pm to 1am. My postal career begins.

Lobo: Not sure how many PTR's were hired in all but in my group, there were about 10 going to the same facility on different schedules. I believe they mentioned at one point over 1,000 employees at the Santa Clarita Processing Plant. The plant itself is over 4 football fields in size.

Thank you Ra, how many PTRs did they hire and how many employees in that "huge" facility?

You guys have convinced me to stay as a PTR, haha. I'll take the 36 hours max even though it could be less at times. At least I don't have to worry about getting worked too hard. Thanks for your input, it's been very helpful. Completed benefits orientation yesterday. Today is the last day before I report on Thursday.

Lobo: I will be working at the Santa Clarita Processing Plant which is huge.

why would he want to become a ptf it sucks

PTR jobs can be less than 30 hrs. mine was 25. i had a day off and worked 5 hpd for the last 14 yrs. it's whatever the mgr. wants to post it as. it was great. i actually had sat. off also. i now have over 26 yrs. i did a lot of physical labor, have had 8 surgeries, and am currently out with a spinal injury. not sure of my chances of returning. best wishes to you all...

Lobo is correct, My understanding is that if your hired as a PTR then you have to put in a request to become a PTF to become FTR. I was hied as a PTF than made FTR then bid into a PTR position, I think I can always bid back but just would be junior.

Lobo read message 193 it says where ra is going

re:ra I am 99% sure that you do not have to remain a PTR forever. As I understand it is if you request in writing that you would like to become a PTF then once they hire PTFs you would have to be asked first. Please check with the union where you work. The down side to becoming a PTF is they could reduce your hours and you could end up on a tour that you may not be happy and the worst is that you will have to work holidays and OT at their discretion. If you are in a big facility then you usually make FTR pretty fast. What facility are you working in???

Edited by author 06-25-2007 05:40 PM
Well today was day 1 of orientation. tomorrow its more orientation, benefits info, and the 3rd day all about safety. then its on to the plant to get to work.

One interesting item I found out today was that once you're a PTR, you're always a PTR. You cannot go to FTR. That's what I was told anyway, but I'm assured a max of 36 hours per week with full benefit and retirement privileges. I also wasn't aware that the USPS covers 85% of the benefits package. I'd have to pay the remaining 15%. But at least I'm a career employee.

Anyone have any idea how much long term care costs with the USPS?

Spfld. Ma has less than 10 ptr's and about 900 MH regulars. Management doesn't need ptr's because they hire as many casuals as they want.

The local entered into an agreement not to grieve CILO for a year. Even when they do grieve CILO they get about 10 cents on the dollar making it very profitable for management. We have a CILO pre-arb over a year old for a flat $500/otdl MH and no one has seen a penny.

Because there is no down side for management I think they will continue to use casuals and the Local can brag how they kept PTR's to a minimum.

Thanks 207! Actually I did contact both my personnel office and Tampa and the hang up was in my office because they did not respond to the cc mail that was sent originally and they have sent out another and I should get word on Monday. Sam what are you transferring to? Regards, Suzzane

 re:202 Hi Suzanne, The situation as I know it in the TAMPA P&DC is that they are hiring the ptr's as they receive their respective release dates
so this may be what they delay is. This is a huge office and they are hiring alot of ptr's. I currently am awaiting a release date also.
You might want to check with your personnel office to find out if they have received any release date notice. Good Luck to you!!!

and by the way suzanne just because you are so nasty and immature I will make sure I give you all the info you need to help you along....Which is what anyone can do call the folks who know your local office or HR services...................

correction Suzanne you sound kind of hostile not hostage lol

suzanne you sound kind of hostage, you actually sound rude. I told you exactly was message 203 told you and I also told you this in message 173 and this is a usps message board not a suzanne klien message and anyone can respond to anyones message. Just because you are not mature enough to accept the response that is on you. That's all anyone can tell you is to call and for your info just because the USPS is telling someone else they will be starting on 6/23 or 7/7 that has nothing to do with you. You will start when they allow you to start not because tim or harry is starting on a certain date. Grew up !!!!!!!!!This is USPS employees message board and if you can't handle the responses don't post anything..............

hi suzanne, i know that tampa has been hiring ptrs since early june these are the dates as i know 6/23 7/77 7/21 maybe if y0u didnt get called they will still callyou on those dats ok i hope this helps.

re: 201 obviously you did not read my message properly - I asked if anyone that knows the situation in "Tampa Florida" and has heard anything about the hiring of PTRs please pass it on. This is so I can compare to what I am hearing. For your info over 80 phone calls were made to PTR candidates about Tampa so I do know that many people have info on Tampa and I am reaching out to those people not you. Thank you for message however if you do not have any info on Tampa then don't respond you are not the person I want to hear from. Thank you Sue

suzanne it is kind of silly to go on a message board to try to find out when you will be transfering say someone did hear something that does not mean they are taking you the same time. If you get on their nerves by calling you know you were already approved you will go faster..........

Any one out there on the list to go to Tampa P&DC as a PTR please let me know if you have heard anything yet. The last time I spoke to someone there they told me that the tentative dates for PTRs to start are June 23 or July 7. But they have changed thier dates before so everything is subject to change. Please respond if you have any info in Tampa... Regards, Suzanne

yep you can wear hats

Can you wear baseball caps with jeans and tshirts?

no problem, I wish the best of luck to you. You'll do just fine dont worry.

jbol: thanks for the info.

Jeans and tshirt, even shorts and tshirt...........shoes with leather uppers are a good idea.

mailhandler is piece of cake.........no way are you too old, we have 77year old mailhandlers at the plant that I work at.

Edited by author 06-16-2007 03:08 PM
I was hired for the Santa Clarita, California processing plant. As a 48 year old, am I too old to handle a mailhandler position? I've worked in offices all my life so I'm a little worried. Let me know what you think. Most people at 48 have been at their jobs for many years already and are set so I feel insecure about starting all over again at my age.

It's a definite career change but because of the benefits and retirement, it was a must decision once the opportunity came up. I just feel fortunate to have been called. I start 6/25 with a 3-day orientation then start my actual duties on 6/28. My shift will be 7pm to 1am. I'm nervous about it but ready for the change. I hope to retire with the USPS some day so I look at it as a definite long term thing.

Is there any type of dress code to follow as a mailhandler? I'm sure I'll find out at orientation but would be nice to know in advance.

By the way I'm really glad I found this site so I can read up on the job ahead of time and learn from you all about alot of things about working with the USPS. Nothing like learning from experience.

Ra: What facility hired you, if I might ask?

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you are not a late starter people change jobs all the time and if you have other federal service that adds up.......

Edited by author 06-14-2007 12:57 PM
I just got offered a PTR position working 6 hour per day for 6 days so 36 hours. I'm supposed to start 6/25. How does holiday pay work? Is it time and a half? Do we have to work the holiday if it's part of our schedule or is it a day off? Benefits start from day 1? I'm new to all this so any info would be greatly appreciated. I'm a 48 year old guy just starting out with the USPS. Yes late starter but better late then never because of the benefits and retirement. The older you get, the more important those things become.

From what I've read, depending on your needs, PTR is a better schedule than PTF unless you welcome the additional hours. Difficult to get to FTR though, correct?

re: Williams Where are you a PTR?

Being a PTR is not bad at all. You work 6hrs a day, 30hrs a week, and you get holliday plus benefits. You don't work as hard like a PTF plus you get a chance to enjoy the money you make.

Any one out there on the list to go to Tampa P&DC as a PTR please let me know if you have heard anything. The last time I spoke to someone there they told me that the tentative dates for PTRs to start are June 23 or July 7. But they have changed thier dates before so everything is subject to change. Please respond if you have any info in Tampa... Regards, Suzanne

I was a PTF, then turned FTR, then bid into a PTR position. As the PTF I worked 72hrs a week 12hrs a day 6 days a week (it really sucked). when I turned FTR I had the option of working all the OT that I wanted which was better than being a PTF where you are forced to work the OT....But now that Im a PTR, I love my job........theres just more to life than work, I know some people on here will disagree, but working 12hours a day 6-7 days a week is not healthy at all. 7s, just keep in mind that being a PTF there is no option on OT, I would really look into how long it would be before they convert you to FTR from PTF

HONESTLY NO. I STILL HAVE A LEAST ONE SDO AND LETS FACE IT THE WORK IS NOT THAT HARD. I KNOW CARRIERS WHO TELL ME THAT CARRYING IS BACK BREAKING AND VERY EXHAUSTING. THATS HARD WORK. PEACE

THATS GOOD BUT WEREN'T YOU TIRED...................TOO MUCH WORK CAN BE EXHAUSTING...............

I WAS TOLD THAT AS SOON AS YOU ENTER THAT FACILITY YOU CAN REQUEST TO BE A PTF THAT WAY YOU COULD WORK OT - MONSTER OT HOURS. MADE 83K LAST YEAR AS A FTR MH IN MY FACILITY.

Oh, it is a regular just part time regular way better then PTF..............way better................

you are guaranteed 30 hours a week as a PTR. They cannot make you have less than 30 hours. You get holiday pay it is way better then being a PTF.......Anyway if you become a PTR I am not quite sure you will be able to change to a PTF in that same facility

I NEED TO KNOW FOR SURE BECAUSE I AM READY TO ACCEPT A PTR POSITION AND I DONT WANT TO BE SHORT CHANGED ON THE SET HOURS THAT THEY ARE GIVING ME.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BECOME A PTF AS SOON AS I GO TO THE NEW FACILITY.
I WILL MAKE A REQUEST TO BECOME A PTF AS SOON AS I ARRIVE IN MY NEW FACILITY. THANK YOU TO ALL.

Im pretty sure you are guaranteed the 30 hours

WITHIN IN THE PTR CATEGORY, IF YOU ARE HIRED AS A PTR WITH A 30 HOUR WEEK(6 HOURS 5 DAYS A WEEK) IS IT POSSIBLE TO WORK LESS THAN THIS AMOUNT IF MANAGEMENT ELECTS TO SEND YOU HOME BEFORE 6 HOURS IF THE WORK LOAD IS LIGHT ON ANY GIVEN DAY? IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU ARE HIRED AS A PTR WITH A SET AMOUNT OF HOURS DO YOU HAVE TO WORK THOSE SET HOURS OR CAN THEY GIVE YOU LESS IF THEY ELECT? THANK YOU TO ALL.

call the tampa district personel office to find out if you have to call hr services 18774773273 option 5. like I said before you have to call them.........

HI, do you know this for certain in the Tampa District? I would like to know from someone who is transferring to this PO to see if they have heard anything because I believe I stand a good chance of getting this PTR transfer and my ATOL is excellent but I just want to know why I havent heard anything in almost a month...

Suzanne,

The start date may still be June 9, 2007 you have to be persistant in calling to find out. I transfered once with only 2 days notice.....The usps is not good on the notice thing.....

HI to all, this is my first time on this board and I am a little nervous.
Actually I am trying to transfer to Tampa P&DC in Florida as a PTR with 36 hrs. I recieved an email message last month and they even contacted my current facility. When they called me to see if I was interested they told me that the new wave of PTRs will start on June 9 and that is next week and I havent heard a thing. I have called but they dont give much info. Is any one out there that has accepted a transfer to Tampa as a PTR know what is going on and what the new start date? Thank you kindly

  Sorry I do not work in southeastern pa. I'm in georgia.

really I would love to work for southeastern pa as a window clerk how do you know if they have ptr positions available

    I have just accepted a PTR postion for 36 hours a week. We have 3 FTR's in the office, 2 of them are window clerks and rarely have time off the window. My question is if the FTR's don't want the overtime can management let me work extra hours or do the FTR's have to be forced into OT? None of them really want the OT. I took this position because I am a PTF Clerk in a 200 man year office and I would have ended up at the PD&C on Tour 1 by December 1st because of the new contract. My husband and I want to start a family and although I still will be working 6 days a week the hours are 5am-11am Mon-Sat. What great hours to work and still raise a family. Also I love the office I'm in and the job I do! But until the babies arive I would like to get alittle bit more money. As a PTF I've been currently working over 50 hours a week. I am in the southeastern region. Any info? Thanks!

Nevermind, I found it but I still need EEO help. Thanks

Could anyone share the story of Steve Millard's fight with the PO w/ me? Has anyone used the Americans with Disabilities Act to file an EEO complaint? Please contact me.

If you didn't start yet do it before you start maybe you can go to Miami instead of Fort lauderdale..........Good Luck

Sandy, thanks for the info. They did'nt give much time. I will look to
the union once I start my re-assignment.

it depends how much notice did they give you before changing your starting date. You really should speak with your union on one. I am not sure I know that they are supposed to give you 5 days off in order to relocate.

I just got my re-assignment to Miami. After accepting their proposal, they
changed the starting date from May to June then to July. An option was given to accept a re-aasignment to Fort-Lauderdale starting in June. I accepted due to the fact that I had made all the necesary arrangements for total re-location.
Do I have a grievence based on the fact that my original assignment was to Miami. I was kind of forced into accepting the Fort-Lauderdale assignment.I really wanted Miami. I am now living in Miami commuting to Fort-Lauderdale.

are part time regular position posted on ereassign...........and how long do you have to stay a a usps before you can transfer in the mailhandler craft........I can't find anything in the contract.......

I just transferred into a PTR position (from a ptf) and it appears on my checkstub that they credited me with 56 hours of annual leave for the remainder of the year (16 pay periods). By my calculation I should have been credited 72. (I earn 6 per pay period, times 16 pay periods, time 3/4, since i am working a 30 hour week). can anyone help explain this? Maybe there's something i'm missing.

Edited by author 05-13-2007 06:52 PM
Jack,YOU MUST file a grievance.
PTR's are allowed to bid on certain FTR positions.

I have worked the last three years as a PTF at an associate office of 3 employees. I requested a transfer/change of craft and was awarded a job in an installation of 200 and more employees in maintenance. When I am granted my transfer I will be a FTR, however, the losing installation refuses to let me go to my new job, it has been 8 months. The supervisor, Post Master says he cannot release me until he has a PTF to replace me. He had one requesting a transfer to our office, but P. Master refused to accept this transfer which was a year earlier. In the contract it says that the losing installation should have a 45 day notice and in unusual circumstances not to exceed 120 days. I have already gone 250 days (Way Over 120 days).

NO BACK IN 1997 I WAS A PTR AND WE WERE ABLE TO BID AFTER THE SENIOR PTFS MADE REGULAR AT WHICH TIME I BIDDED TO BE A FTR AND WE WERE ON THE LIST WITH THE FTR DIFFERENCE LOCALS HAVE DIFFERENCE RULES MAYBE YOURS IS SCREWED UP SUE Q

Hi Sandy, your wrong or you got your words twisted. PTRS can not bid on FTR positions. Maybe what you mean is that once the PTFs made regular you became a PTF then you made regular and then you were able to bid...

PTFs cant be senoir to PTRs, they are on a different seniority list

I was once a PTR and after the PTF's that were senior to me made regular I was allowed to bid on FTR jobs. So yes as a PTR you can make FTR

Edited by author 05-08-2007 12:32 PM
I dont understand why anyone would want to be a PTF, Maybe its different here, but as a PTF I was treated like s**t. Forced to work 12 hours a day 6 days a week, sometimes with only 8 hours between shifts. I am much happier as a PTR

TAMPA JUST OFFERED ME A POSITION AS A PTR. I HAVE BEEN ON EREASIGN FOR A LONG TIME WAITING FOR A PTF POSITION. I WORK IN NY AND MY SON LIVES IN TAMPA. I DID NOT WANT TO GET STUCK AS A PTR WITH NO OT AND NO BID POSSIBILITIES. DOES ANY ONE OUT THERE KNOW IF AFTER TAMPA REACHESS THIER PTR QUOTA WILL THEY GO BACK TO HIRING PTFS AS THEY DID AT ONE TIME? OR DO YOU THINK THAT THE HIRING OF THE PTFS IS SOMETHING OF THE PAST AND IS IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR?

Darthopper, I just transferred into a new facility as a PTR mailhandler, and right away I looked at the bid board and saw that in this facility, there are FTR clerk positions available. I am trying to find out if and when I can bid on these. I'll let you know if I find anything out, but does anyone else here know?

Very similar questions to the previous poster.

If I transfer to a new office as a part-time regular and there are vacant residual jobs that have not been withheld and there are no ptfs to convert...can I opt/bid on one of those jobs?

Can I bid on Jobs that come up?

Is there a Q&A somewhere about ptrs?

Thanks

i am a full time regular who works in a miami plant. i am trying to relocate to another state and usually they only let you transfer and become a ptf but the states that i am trying for are only offering ptr positions... can i ever regain my full time status from being a ptr or do i have to wait to be a ptf instead.... nobody in miami knows how to answer this question.. down here we go from ptf to ftr and dont have any ptr positions so nobody can give a strait answer to me...... please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you mean 4 hours per day, or 4 hours per pay period?

What do PTR's and PTRF's Mail Handlers actually do? I mean, are they constantley running full pace for 8 hours non stop? I trying to get a better idea of this job. Any info would be helpful.

Thanks for the info, so the ptfs would be the better option as far as trying to convert to a full time postion once i get past probation?

There are two classes of part time mailhandlers and two seperate seniority rosters.

One is the part time flexible shift (PTFS or now PTF) which is a mailhandler who is appointed with the opportunity of gaining seniority status on the Full Time Regular seniority roster when converted ("promoted")from PTFS. A PTFS does not have seniority in the contractual sense until converted to Full Time Regular but does have standing on the Full Time Regular seniority roster. A PTFS is only guaranteed four hours work per pay period (which has hardly ever happened)and can be worked 12 hours a day seven days a week.

The other class is the Part Time Regular (PTR) who is hired as a part time regular as a member of the Part Time Regular seniorty roster. A PTR has seniority on the PTR seniority roster from the day of hiring. The PTR does not have any seniority or standing on the Full Time Regular seniority roster. A PTR is assigned a fixed schedule of less than forty hours a week and may not be assigned overtime except under provisions detailed under arbitration cases but not contractually. (you see the headaches)

Generally past postal experience where PTRs are used in large mail facilities has found the PTRs utilized for more than their scheduled time because of chronic understaffing. This has caused unlimited headaches for the employee, for the labor organization (union), and for the USPS.

PTRs are successfully (meaning no labor contract violations)used in smaller facilities and detached annexes where there are limited work hours and fixed mail volume.

what craft? and where are you located?

It's a part time flex, i have a choice to take a part time regular or the flex. Any advice would be helpful.

a PTR position Or a PTF position?

Edited by author 04-18-2007 11:43 PM
I have been offered a part time reg flex mail handler job, what are the good points and bad points, anyone?

if you are a clerk it is this way a ptr can only bid newly created ftr positions and must be currently qualified. Clerks are on one seniority list but a ptr cannot bid on vacated jobs. also ptrs can bid on residual bids.ptfs are given something called ptf preference but if a ptr is senior they would get the job. If you decide to change over to a ptf when you become a full time reg you retain your seniority. This info is under art 37 in the national agreement. I have been a ptr clerk for over 10 years. Theres nowhere to go. I am stuck here it's a good thing i don't want full time

I am in the mailhandler craft, and that might be the way it is in this craft also. My impression was since I was already an FTR that I could bid back to an FTR position, but would be junior on the seniority list. Not sure about those who are hired on as PTRs.......Good point

jbol /m135 -- don't know about other crafts, but that is not the way it works in the city carrier craft. PTRs can not bid on FTR jobs; they must first become a PTF and then a regular.

ok thanks so much I just dont want to be a ptr forever

I see, Im in nebraska and the way it works here is: if there is a job up for bid wether your an FTR or PTR you can bid them. They each have thier own seniority list so you would be junior if you were a PTR that bid an FTR job and vise versa

North carolina

new b, where are you located?

I have been offered a ptr postion at which there are no other ptr at this po there are ptfs if a ftr job goes no bid do I get it before a ptf does??

Edited by author 04-01-2007 12:49 AM
good info egark...........thanks. I started my PTR job tonight. What a change going from 12hrs as a PTF to 8hrs as a FTR to 6hr days as a PTR........Love it so far, I hope I can say the same in the future. Thanks to all who gave me their input........Its really appreciated

jbol /m128 -- Step 4 decision M-01337 8/12/98 says that normally they should work their assigned hours, that they may occasionally work beyond their regular hours, and that if they are expected to work flexible hours they should be made PTFs.

and what does the contract state about PTRs? They are to work only their scheduled hours?

the problem is it should be "by the contract". who care what your sup asks you to do. the contract is there for a reason.

Edited by author 03-23-2007 07:52 PM
I've been a PTR for 24 years. If my supv or postmaster tells me to work past my quitting time, I do it. If they ask me to come in early, I'll do it. What's the big problem with you people? It's more money. Besides doing what your told or requested to do, as far as I"m concerned keeps the bosses happy.

I have checked into how it affects my retirement and no I am not on the same register as the FTRs, PTRs have there own seniority list as do PTFs. As far as working me like a flex, it is very unlikely. They opened these PTR positions to cut overtime and everyone in the plant is money hungry..........They'll probably never let me work a click over my 30hrs

you should really check into how it affects your retirement. you do get paid holidays. see if you are on the same register as ftr mh. or separate. make sure management knows you cannot work like a ptf. good luck.

Edited by author 02-25-2007 10:14 AM
Ok, I finally made regular FTR Mailhandler at the plant. Now I am really considering becoming a PTR mailhandler at a station. My understanding is that retiremnet is prorated, annual is prorated, sick leave is prorated, health insurance is the same and PTR get paid holidays..............correct?.................IS there anything else I should know before bidding one of these jobs?

i agree. i'm just saying at my station i never could get anywhere. they used me as a ptf. no ft was on the ot list. i had a sup that abused me for 10 years. i knew i would get fired on some charge if i persued anything. everyone feared him. i just took my lumps. it needs to be in plain english so all offices know clearly you cannot work ptr's beyond schedule. tons of offices still don't know.

Handling It /m119 -- I may be wrong, but I did not get the impression that Fed-Up is being forced; I thought he is looking for more hours. My point was that he not entitled to more hours, that he has a schedule, and if he is looking for more hours then he should switch to PTF.

Edited by author 01-23-2007 05:24 PM
ok here we go again according to the elm ptrs are not entitled to out of scheduled pay.. ptrs get overtime only after 8 in a day or 40 in a week... but ptrs should only be working their schedules ftr should be exhausted this means penalty...your union should be fighting for overtime pay for someone on the otdl or fighting to make a full time position if you're working 40 hrs a week.. the answer about ptrs are out there someone just needs to want to find them

Edited by author 01-22-2007 10:23 PM
i was a ptr for 13 years. i'm IOD currently. i was scheduled 25 hr. per week. i averaged 32. my 5 hrs a day ended up being 9 sometimes. i never got OT from 5-8 hrs. try grieving it to force their hand. it's not your fault your sup makes you come in early. tell them to take it up with him. but i would try the grievance to see if you are entitled by contract or not to OT or out of schedule pay. good luck. the previous comment regarding if you want to work flexible become a PTF was ridiculous. you are doing as you are told.

Fed-Up /m117 -- go here:

http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/step4mrs.html

Look for M-1337.

I read this to mean that normally you should not be working more than the scheduled hours. The last paragraph makes it clear that PTRs are NOT like PTFs. If you want to work flexible hours you should be a PTF.

 Im glad to have found this site. Im wondering if anyone can help me out on this. Can a PTR who has set hours work an hour or more when needed (straight time). Keep in mind that all Over-time employees will be first come first serve and im last. This is not overtime pay. So, my question is am i allowed to come in one hour early to help out along with the others? There is presently a big debate going on with my co-worker and the Union aint even sure. This co-work bitches that i am only allowed to work extra hours only in emergency or unpreditable situations. This person claims that i bid a set job with set amount of hours, duh, no shit. This person doesnt understand that its similiar to the PTF only that they dont have a set schudule to go by and i do. Anybody???

no advertisements on sites, please.

PTRs make the same as FTRs and yes PTRs get paid holidays

Hmm, I know the PTF's do because of not getting the paid holidays, but PTR's are a strange hybrid & so I am not certain. Do the PTR's get paid holidays? If not, that would explain the higher hourly rate.

From the APWU pay scale charts, a PTR makes a higher hourly wage that a FTR at the same grade and pay step. Is this true?

I have spoke with a few mailhandlers that used to work there and they say its a great place to work if you can afford to do it. Everyone I have spoke with says that the stations are alot better than the plant as far as management goes. I have yet to meet a mailhandler that says they are happy to be at the plant, if that tells you anything. Heres what I did, I know I cant bid jobs until Im regular. However, on this last bid sheet they still had the PTR job that I want and It says in the bid AVAILABLE TO ALL CAREER EMPLOYEES. So I bid it. We'll see what happens :)

are you familiar with management at the station? have you talked to other clerks there? are you 100% certain that you will be happy? because when you get there, it is almost certain that you won't leave. i want you to be happy in your job, that's for sure. everyone should be, but few are. first, get the contract and make sure you exercise your rights as a PTR. the regulars like to think they are superior, but don't take that. just do your job and live your life OUTSIDE of the po. it's just a job. enjoy your family, that's most important. i wish you the best. keep us posted.

Edited by author 09-12-2006 01:53 AM
I should make regular real soon, however management at the plant I am at has already violated union contract because the are still putting out bid sheets for 28 jobs when they have 21 ptfs. I have got nothing but the runaround since I started. Management is horrible at the plant which is another reason I want out of it and move to a station. Our union is broke and our president is supposedly pressing the issue, but managment knows theyve got us right where they want us, they dont want to turn us regular, they like to work us a s long as they can and move us around as needed. PTR is my best option here.( I am 12 on the ptf seniority list )

Edited by author 09-11-2006 06:48 PM
jbol: i am a 25 year veteran of the po. word was that at one time ptr's were "the thing of the future", as they could come in in the a.m., work the mail, then go home. then another ptr could be scheduled later in the day, etc. save the po money. but as we have the same benefits as ftr, and most of the time they worked me like a ptf, they saved very little money on me. your retirement benefits are affected. it is a big deal. as you can bet there will not be any "new" jobs created, you will be stuck right where you bid. like it or not. if you could tough it out a bit longer, do you think you will make regular soon? where are you with regard to seniority on the ptf list?

Good luck if you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask. And if{ when] you get it enjoy your time with your kids.
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Thanks mgilbert, I am going to try for the position.Wish me luck

an excessing is when they are down sizing becuz of automation .They have a freeze on hiring. We've had atleast 10 clerks cross over to the mailhandler or maint craft in the last 6 months. I believe if they post it and no-one bids it you can apply for it. Just make sure it's something you want because you may be stuck there for awhile. I myself would not go back to full time if I don't have to I like working 6 hours 5 days a week. I did not like to work 6 days a week.Theres no chance of getting more hours then your bid ,if management follows the rules.-Also if you get forced in on a holiday we on your day off it is straight time PTRs do not get overtime or out of schedule pay. O.T.is only over 8 hours or over 40 hours which should only happen in a holiday week.----------- Original message -------------- From: QT - jbol <qtopic+26-ajpQhS8VJky@quicktopic.com>

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Im in nebraska, and yes there is one PTR position available. I have spoke with a steward and HR about the position, however I have been told by HR that I cant get the position until I become regular, then I will have to bid it. On the other side the steward told me I should be able to get the position now even as a flex. Its been really confusing.What do you mean by getting excessed?

Health ins. is the same cost whether you are full or part time.
If you work 30 hours a week you will get 4 weeks of vacation 120 hours.Because that is what you will be using . If you are a ptr you can only bid newly created bids. Check out the national agreement artcle 37.3 Another point if there is an excessing ptrs and full time regulars are in different categories. PTR jobs are posted to full time regulars and PTRs and awarded by seniority. If there are no newly created jobs you can only bid residual jobs, unless under article 12 when they hold them for full time emplyees being excessed in or out of the facility. Have you spoken to a steward about a PTR position? Just curious. Can I ask what state you are in. Are there PTR positions available, we the PTRs here were almost excessed {all 20 of us} back in April. .

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I really appreciate your input mgilbert. So I wanna get this straight. As a PTR I am able to bid jobs, but just will have no seniority when bidding unless its a PTR position......correct? The health insurance cost the same as a full time regular..........correct? Retirement, sick days, and vacation are pro rated.......correct? What do you mean dont take anything for granted and not being treated fairly? Sorry for all the ?s, but am trying to find out what Im getting into.......Thanks

My hours are great I work 9:00-3:00 with S/M off . I have the insurance just like a full time reg. Alot of PTRs are not happy because although they are REGULARS they are not treated as fairly . Rules are applied differently. I have tried to be an advocate for them on occasion. Just make sure you are away of your rights. Don't take anything for granted and do not assume your rights will be the same as a full time clerk.
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How do you like being a PTR? Do you regret it? To me its worth it to be able to see my family which I have rarely seen in over a month now. How about health insurance is it the same as being a full time regular?

1st they pro rate retirement you are not entitled to full benefits if you work pt 2nd you cannot just bid a full time position you have to be a former full time regular AND currently qualified ,a junior full time regular could be awarded a bid over a PTR. 3rd PTRs are hired for specific hours and positions. If a PTR works overe their schedule a Full time regular should be able to file a grievance for overtime pay. I have been a PTR for most of my postal career -------------- Original message --------------
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Messes up retirement, how is that? They still match in the TSP...As far as bidding, It is my understanding that I can always bid back into a full time position, I just would have no seniority. Working past my shift is no big deal to me (Its a little extra money)and in no way can it be worse than the position Im in now (6 days a week 10-12 hours a day)....Cmon I gotta see my kids sometime.

raja, you are also not allowed to post these on this forum....

why would you want to be a ptr? i was a full time, then had my son. i went to a ptr position, manual labor from an office, thinking i could spend more time at home. they worked me past my 5 hp day, every day. remember, no out of schedule pay. worked me on my day off. no overtime for that, because i wasn't at 40 hours yet. no bidding rights on positions. it sucked. plus it messes you up for retirement. really ask a lot of questions before you make that move. there was no benefit in it for me. every ptr in our sectional center regretted their decision. but i wish you the best in what you do. god bless...

Hi, I am a ptf mailhandler who is wanting to become a ptr mailhandler. It is my understanding that I need to become regular before I can become a ptr. Is this true? It really sucks because I have been working 10 hrs a day 6 days a week, just so I can become part time. Any help would be appreciated

raja2usa /m90 -- raja you POS why don't you print your scam on paper and mail it to people and see if it is still legal.

What a liar you are! It's nothing but a stinking chain letter.

First time here. What the heck is this site about?

Have any of you submitted a letter to the State Senator, Diane Feinstien yet? I hear a lot of talking and complaining about what you've gone through at the hands of the USPS and it's administration. I know how you feel ,I've gone through a lot abuse also since filing an EEO. You have to be willing to go an extra mile and bring this to the attention to the general public. Keeping these problems among ourselves will not help us in the long run. And you know what? The USPS is completely satisfied with us keeping this info amongst ourselves. Yes, I've talked about Steve Millard and the adverse actions the USPS has taken to him, but he's not the only one. Again I say there are hundreds of us. I've written a letter to State Senator Diane Feinstein, and I told her about my case as well as Steve Millard. I wish you all could do the same. No Fear Here!

why not vote for the most abusive manager I could name one in my office that has got away with it for years and still got the higher level jobs over the backs of hard working carriers and clerks ( yes there are a few out there) there is only a few people who will stand-up for us and one is steve Millard
BUT the post office is trying to go after him with a vengence to keep all of us down while fighting tooth and nail to keep managers with abusive records
on the pay-roll Why do you think they move them so often ? tell somebody !!!

I know Steve Millard he is a good man. We are close to a congressional investigation. Lets keep giving letters through lowe@kfwb.cbs.com

dear sir/madam:

i am looking for a homebased typing job/data entry position. that will not asked any one time fee to be able to start the job. i worked as a executive secretary, and now i dont have job, so while staying at home, i wan't to earn, i lived here in PHILIPPINES. i hope you will consider me. if ever here's my email address so you can contact me: maylene_05112@yahoo.com.ph

thank you very much.

THE MANAGEMENT at the U.S.POSTAL SERVICE are ABOVE THE LAW. They've
been abusing their authority for years. They abuse and deny employees due process of the law. MANANAGEMENT breaks the law without having to face any kind of disciplinary action which encourages them to continue their abuse, intimidation, wreckless negligence, and illegal practices. I encourage all Postal employees to get together and seek assistance from our Senator Diane Feinstein, Chairperson for the Postal Senate Subcommittee, or other Senators
to address the ongoing abuses.