latestart: tell me about that grievance. i was injured in 2005. looks as though it is permanent. am still on the roll. i changed to a PTR once my son was born. they used me to keep from their FTR using over constantly. they would work me 6-10 hours. i was a 5 hr per day clerk. this went on for a few years....

me: a PTR is a bid, part time REGULAR hour, regular days off position. that is if nothing has changed since 2005. his hours can only be change within a 2 hours time frame. he must sign off on the change, or they can put the job up for bid. check with personnel on his form 50. his job had the hours posted.

agodlywoman.. I asked him about his form 50.. the one they send you every yr.. hopefully that is the form... and it states 28 hrs a week.. i need some kind of rule/reg that states this so he can file a greivance and get his hrs back.. pm stated he was going to take 2hrs a day from him and in the end he took 3hrs a day.. there is still a TE carrier working in our office which doesn't seem fair that he would get more hrs than our ptr, also the work that was taken from him, was given to ftr's who are doing OT.. it just doesn't sound right... but i need some kind of rule/reg to support that pm is wrong..

agodlywoman.. are you saying the start time hours can be changed???? within a 2 hr timeframe or are you saying the pm can take 2 hrs a day away from him? he would have to sign off on the job saying he is accepting this change? what if he doesn't sign off on it... i need some regs/rules on this...

Edited by author 08-20-2009 05:54 PM
to Me: I have never heard of a PTR collection carrier, but I guess it's possible. A PTR has regular hours with regular days off. A PM cannot take hours away from him, unless he is on light duty or has limitations. Even if that is the case, they can send him home early, but they still have to pay him his hours. Start hours can be changed, I'm not sure if the 2 hour timeframe applies to PTRs. I know my start time was changed by 1/2 hr. Only other way his hours/job can be changed is after a function 4. But then, that would probably require that the job be abolished and/or reposted.
to agodlywoman: there was a national grievance submitted against PTRs working more than their stated hours. There was a settlement reached before it went to final arbitration. The agreement has been made that all PTRs are to be used for their bid hours. They are not to be used for more than that even if management claims an "emergency situation". FTRs are to be used for OT and brought in for their day off rather than use PTRs beyond their bid hours. I too was also used by my station to keep the FTRs OT hours down, but most of the time, when I was used for extra hours, the FTRs were ALREADY being used on OT.. AND on their days off!!!!! Guess my greedy co-workers would rather get V time than see the post office try to save some money and thereby our jobs!!!!!

latestart: please help me. i need the info on the national grievance. i was not informed and had no knowledge since i was injured and at home. thank you so much. this could mean a lot of $ for me, which i could use.
Me: it is in your contract. i will see what i can look up for you. they can not remove hours from his bid job. they are allowed to change start times by 2 hours. but he's not doing that. if the PM, after he files the grievance, THEN tries to mess with his start time, he will have grounds for retaliation. i would at least give it a try. i'll get back to you.

Me: got it. his hours can be changed Permanently. not at random. and not verbally. and not removing hours. the grievance should be filed persuant to Section 8.02 and 8.03 or Article 8 of the National Bargaining Agreement. read it yourself. it shows REGULAR employees hours are to begin, blah blah and end blah blah. then the flexible blah blah. that is what states he cannot mess with regular's hours. that's all there is to it. he can get back pay for the hours he was not allowed to work. stipulate that also. piece of cake. do it now. there is a time limit from when he knew he was wronged. i think it's 10 days...

Edited by author 08-25-2009 07:01 PM
Me. don't got it. forget everything i just said. you guys have a NEW contract. i haven't been there. the new contract-Article 7A.2 states a part time employee (doesn't say regular or flex) CAN be scheduled as the PM needs on a weekly basis. i also found notes that Burris and the big cheeses wrote between each other. and it states that they are reducing PTR's hours because there is nothing in the contract that states they can't. note: FTR says they have a 40 hr week. but PTR does not have a guaranteed # of hrs. IN THE CONTRACT. that is a big loop hole for management. Burris grieved it, so it's going to be a big, fat mess. wait and see. get the contract and read it for yourself. i'm glad i'm not a PTR anymore. it could really open up a can of worms. but in this guy's case, any maybe mgmt doesn't know very much, i would grieve it and see how it falls. yes, they may make his hours flexible, but cutting them, i don't think that is worked out yet, as per what Burris stated.

that should have read PTR does not have guarantee. all this reading is making me crazy...

37. We have a number of PTR's in Tucson and management is reposting their bid jobs with fewer hours than the original bid. For example - 36 hour PTR job is being reposted as a 25-hour job. I spoke with Rob Strunk about this last week and he does not believe that there is anything in the contract that would prohibit the reposting to fewer hours. I am just wondering if this is happening in other offices and is our collective response. Connie Sadler-Nelson, President - Tucson Area Local

Answer: Pres. Burris – National has filed Step 4 and have been awarded, if it is in violation of Garret or Das award over Article 1.6, management can reduce the hours.

i don't really know what this says? anyone????

agodlywoman... thanks for the help... PM did change his start time hrs from 12:00 to 6 to 2:30 to 5:30.. it isn't working out.. i read the jcam and somewhere it said if ptr had reg hrs, it couldn't be changed, only if they had a flexible schedule.. then i go to read the jcam again and it has been revised... i would think the te's hrs would be cut first.. seems like union and management are up to sneaky things... the union seems to only want to save the ftr's, who are getting ot and dont' care if anyone else can survive.. i hear other offices have cut the ptr's.. i am an iod and the union helped me alot.. this past yr they have gone downhill and are hanging me out to dry now...

2. Part-Time. Employees in this category shall be
hired pursuant to such procedures as the
Employer may establish and shall be assigned to
regular schedules of less than forty (40) hours in a
service week, or shall be available to work flexible
hours as assigned by the Employer during the
course of a service week.this is from artical 7 of the national agreement

thanks guy. my post 459 had it, article 7A.2. they CAN work the PTR's flexible hours as needed. when the PM posts the schedule, he can change the PTR's on a weekly basis. what's funny is "to work flexible hrs." i know that means different start times, but i believe the union will fight for a set # of hrs per week. who can live not knowing what their salary will be on a weekly basis? what about PTR's that were hired in 1989 with 36 hr week? they have their life set up on those hrs? now you're going to cut 22 hrs off of their paycheck? try that with management and see what happens...

i didn't write post 461. who did? weird.
OK. this is funny. this wording is in the contract, right? so who, if not the "big guys" negotiated the contract? the union uppers had to have negotiated for this to happen to the PTR's in the first place. now Pres. Burris is saying they have national grievance? for what? something they already negotiated? or am i missing something here? this doesn't make sense. if it's in the contract, THEY negotiated it. sounds to me like all of the PTR's and PTF's have been hung out to dry.

agodlywoman.. i think you are right.. it seems like union is just trying to save the few they can so they keep a union and dues....

you forgot iod's and older ones who are getting harassed to retire..