lc, it is rough being a ptf. I have about 32yrs service. Worked at a federal job ,naval base that closed.I have a great supervisor.He has been at it for 30 yrs. That helps alot.3 more to go and i am out.

SORRY ABOUT THAT WORM YOU ARE RIGHT IF THERE IS ANY EXCESSING GOING ON ANY JOBS AVALIBLE WILL GO TO THE REGULARS THAT ARE BEING EXCESSED NO MATTER WHAT THE CRAFT AS LONG AS THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR THE JOB.

 They dont allow ptf's to be converted to regular. There is an artical 12 in place most of the country. These jobs are given to people who are regulars already and are excessed. They bid on it ,they get it. I know. I am a ptf carrier for 14years and a clerk just bid on a vacant route He got and i got screwed. I dont see the artical being lifted ever. PTF for life, i am pissed

CHERYL A PTF CAN BECOME A PTR OR A FTR IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COMPLEMENT CALLS FOR AT YOUR OFFICE. NEITHER IS YOUR CHOICE AN OPPURTUNITY HAS TO ARISE TO MAKE EITHER POSSIBLE.YOU WILL ONLY BE SECURE ONCE YOU HAVE ATLEAST 6 YEARS OF SERVICE NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POSITION IS.

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NO THE POST OFFICE IS NOT THAT BROKE THEY CAN BUY THE GLOVES AND IF THEY USE THEIR HEADS THEY CAN BUY IN BULK QUANITY AT A GOOD PRICE. WHEN SOMETHING GO WRONG WHATS GOING TO BE SAID WHEN THE GLOVES WERE NOT SUPPLIED? ITS NOT ABOUT SAVING THE POST OFFICE SOME MONEY ITS ABOUT HAVING WHAT YOU NEED TO HELP YOU DO YOUR JOB.SHOULD WE BUY TOILET PAPER ALSO?

MDOs Gabe and Scott are right.it 's not in the budget,since you only need a box or 2,just buy your own gloves,they're cheap,save the post office some money,ok?

This is for Cheryl. A PTF job is a FLEXIBLE position, whereas a PTR job is a REGULAR position (with established hours and days off). As I understand it, regular jobs are "safer" than flexible and casual positions. There are no more PTFs in my station. The ones we have took regular positions, and there are no new PTFs being hired (vacated jobs were abolished). A PTF can become a PTR, so long as the job went unbid. The unbid PTR job does not automatically go to a PTF, however. I believe it would have to be requested.

Hey, I got a copy of the book written by the chief steward of Royal Oak at their PO shooting in 91. It is called "The Tainted Eagle" 'The Truth Behind the Tragedy'. by Charlie Withers.
Pretty bizarre. So far it starts out, that on the morning of the shootings, management was making a big deal about people keeping the noise down. On his way, with another steward to write up grievances on managers who had been making racial slurs, two individuals were sent home. One two loud, one for whistling "It's beginning to look like Christmas". Then the gunshots started going off. Management that had been investigated in Indianapolis by Congress for bad behavior had been sent to Royal Oak, and had created a bad environment. The union knew, but failed to pass this on. National even tried to get him to do nothing about the fact that management was highly aware of the threats by the employee/gunman, and their request for protection never came, yet they failed to warn employee's. National failed protocol in warning the Chief steward, that the employee who went over the edge, had lost his arbitration, so that there was no warning for employees. The harassment towards the angry employee had escalated after he had filed an EEO complaint. Skipping through the book, there are some pretty bizarre incidents of harassment, such as a mgr, knowing he was terminated, went so far to call Tom McCelvane's home, and when she got a busy signal, used an operator to interrupt his call, saying it was an emergency, and actually ordering him to report to work. Guess he didn't have call-waiting back then. Doctoring of his tape-recorder which an expert examined, destroying documents, all managers involved, and some that weren't even there all were given indefinite stress leave, while traumatized employees got nothing. Even when a shot steward's attorney sued the local union, NALC wrote letter they would not aid the local financially. Lot's of page of documents included in the book, to include Committee On Post Office and Civil Service U.S. House of Reprentatives (didn't know we had one) that managements harrassement "drove a man to kill" and lack of the USPS providing security. To me it's alot of postal terms that the public might not understand, but thought it would be a good read for employees, managers, and their "families" to see just how the USPS works and the early signs to possibly keep this type of horror from happening ever again. There seems to be a pattern, such as we all know about the remove promote the bad ones. A local Target had the book, but not sure all Targets. A link CWITHERS58@yahoo.com Bookstores Xlibris.com or by phone at 1-888-795-4274 ext. 7876, Barnesandnoble.com , Borders.com

I'm a ptf w/only 3 years in the service. Would my job be more secure if a became a ptr? A ptr w/less years me as is safer? I thought that only ptf's could be come full-time & not ptr's.

To: Jeannine H. Turenne

Last month we were transferred to the L&DC in Springfield, Ma. We requested Nitrate/latex free gloves. The gloves provided have certain chemicals that make my hands extremely itchy. These gloves were provided at our previous building at the Springfield P&DC. Management Senior MDO Gabe and Scott said that they were not in the budget and they could not afford them. These gloves are needed and we only need a box or two since not all of us are allergic to the ones provided. Can you please give your opinion on this issue? It would be greatly appreciated.

Or they might be under Article 12 withholding.

It may be robbie, that they are going to abolish the job.

February 11, 2009

Subject: Provision of nitrile gloves for employees that request them

Senior management’s (COO and SR VP HR) position remains that nitrile gloves and FFPs will be supplied to employees if requested for comfort and a measure of security. There is also an understanding with unions. Addition ally, the Postal Service indicated to an federal interagency workgroup that part of our protective measures from biological agents (anthrax specifically) is to supply gloves and FFP’s on request. This is not a SEPM policy – although it is included in the PPE/RPP MI revision (the current MI-March 2001 –says managers may elect to provide FFPs but that was superceded in the fall of 2001). Any change to the policy would have to be solicited from, and issued through, Mr. Donohoe’s and Mr. Vegliante’s offices.

Of course any PPE, including gloves and FFPs, must be provided if indicated by a hazard assessment – but that is separate from the above policy and is required by OSHA.

We understand that everyone is seeking to cut expenses, but this would not be an appropriate way to do so.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,
Jeannine H. Turenne
Director, Safety & Environmental Performance Management
United States Postal Service

i am a ptf where a full time employee retired. Why haven't I been able to bid on her position. I am next in line

Are you a PTR or a PTF? What I have heard, though cannot substantiate, is that anyone with less than 6 years in the USPS may be on the chopping block. I do not know if this is designated for PTRs, PTFs, FTRs or all of the above. Like I said before, this is what I am hearing through the grapevine. If you are a PTR, the Union has a class action grievance that is trying to have your job re-posted as a FTR job, or re-posted "properly" with hours that management truly needs you for. These jobs would be open to all FTR employees (as well as PTRs, depending on the hours the job is posted for). These are only for PTR jobs that have been used in excess of their Form 50 limits. My feeling is that, at least where I am, FTR people are losing their day jobs at the plant, so the union is going after the PTR jobs in an attempt to create new full-time jobs. I doubt this plan will work though, but time will tell.