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Topic: No Thank You, Pierre Pettigrew - Michelle Dawson
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A M Baggs  10
04-17-2004 02:42 AM ET (US)
Thanks, W. K. Dawson, for adding your views on this whole thing. I am glad when I see parents being supportive in matters like this, as my own parents have been lately.
oddizm  9
04-17-2004 02:31 AM ET (US)
Michelle,

How wonderful that you have a father of the sort that you do.

I was amazed to see his letter. What great support. I hope Pierre Pettigrew reads it.

oddizm
David N. Andrews EdPsych  8
04-12-2004 05:33 AM ET (US)
AH!!!!

AT least it's not a court action then from the ABA-salespeople then.... phew!

I got a message from the FEAT people, and I should point out that, when I asked him for some ideas on how to get in touch with Kit Weintraub, all I got was this: "Mr. Andrews, Please note the "Wisconsin". Or contact ASAT." Not very helpful. Anyway, I've done my (almost) sentence-by-sentence reply to Weintraub. I'll post it sometime.

[Vastaanottaja xxxxxxx
Lähetetty 4.4.2004 21:57:18
Lähettäjä Michael McIntire <xxxxxxxxxx>
Aihe FW: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.feat.org/contact.htm
David, I submit that you have mistaken this organization for someone else.
FEAT does not have a Kit Weintraub on it's board. You may be referring to
another organization. Please keep in mind that all FEAT organizationas are
entirely independent. FEAT is neither a membership organization, nor is it a
parent child organization such as the ASA. FEAT has no relationship with
ASAT, and does not endorse or condone it's policies or actions.

In the future, please take greater care to refrain from slandering an
organization in this manner.

Michael McIntire

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 9:06 AM
To: xxxxxxx
Subject: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.feat.org/contact.htm

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B1: Send Email
UserTo: Board: xxxxxxxxxxx
UserEmail: xxxxxxxxx
UserSubject: well, well, well....

UserMessage:

Firstly, I looked again at the board-member's name: it is Kit Weintraub, not
Kim.

Secondly.... I checked out more of the ASAT site, and it was interesting to
see that the FEAT video is being marketed intensively there. So I got to
thinking... what to they say about other approaches to autism.


I checked out the bits on various other approaches and found that - of all
the approaches - only the behaviourism-based approaches were favoured, and
all the others were found "flawed": only the behaviouristic interventions
got through the scrutineers' grasp with anything like a totally positive
review.


And yet ALL the properly conducted reviews of the literature in this field
suggest that no one method is more effective that the others.


I have to conclude for myself that ASAT is not an Association for Science in
Autism Treatment, but maybe should be called ABAT... since it cannot see
past behaviourism as anything scientific.


I think that there is a link between the ASAT organisation and the FEAT
organisation, and that - since it came from a FEAT board-member - Kit
Weintraub's article forming a very nasty personal attack on Michelle Dawson
was "allowed through" purely because of this link.


It seems that a number of people find the ASAT and FEAT perspectives rather
"nauseating and machiavellian" but my point in this mail follows:


If FEAT and ASAT want to find anything like a good review in the journal
that _I_ work with, I shall be expecting to see Michelle Dawson's reply to
Kit Weintraub's personal attack and character defamation within the next few
weeks appearing either on the FEAT pages or on the ASAT pages, or on both.
In any case, it will find its way onto _my_ site, as will a sentence by
sentence analysis of Kit Weintraub's article, telling how it is wrong, why
it is wrong and making sure that the public are made aware of the tactics
that FEAT and ASAT between yourselves are prepared to stoop down far enough
to do in order to cause upset.


I cannot see FEAT or ASAT as anything but the most unprofessional and
unethical organisations dealing with autism. Even Lovaas didn't stoop to
your levels.

David N. Andrews BA-status, AEPiT
Applied Educational Psychologist
Kotka
Finland
http://dna1fi.tripod.com/intropage/]
A M Baggs  7
04-11-2004 09:11 PM ET (US)
It (along with, presumably, many other sites) is crashed at the server level. The company is working on fixing it. It will be back whenever they do, which will probably be sometime after it becomes a weekday again.
David N. Andrews EdPsych  6
04-10-2004 04:23 PM ET (US)
Amanda....

what's happened to autistics.org?????

:(
David N. Andrews EdPsych  5
04-10-2004 06:24 AM ET (US)
Hi Amanda,

>Years ago, I sent a letter to my senator telling her I was not in support of a pro-cure rally going on in Washington.

*I am considering doing something like this with the Finnish parliament, such as we have one here.... They are very much into the homegrwon "AKIVA" project and similar things which we have here: watered down versions of misinterpretations of the work done in other countries.

>Her response? "Thank you for your support of the rally in Washington..."

*If I should expect a shite responnse like that one, though... I don't think I'll bother: it's obvious that the vast majority of politicians don't listen.

>I knew I should expect a form letter, but a *form letter putting me on the wrong side*? I think that's what this "sympathy" stuff is too.

*That sucks, really. Just no capacity in these people to accept an idea that doesn't conform to their idea of what should be. Sad, and infuriating too, I think.
A M Baggs  4
04-09-2004 06:52 PM ET (US)
Years ago, I sent a letter to my senator telling her I was not in support of a pro-cure rally going on in Washington.

Her response? "Thank you for your support of the rally in Washington..."

I knew I should expect a form letter, but a *form letter putting me on the wrong side*? I think that's what this "sympathy" stuff is too.
David N. Andrews EdPsych  3
04-07-2004 10:43 AM ET (US)
I was absolutely mortified when I saw that arsehole "sympathising" with Michelle... last thing she (or any of us) needs is a sympathising idiot who will not do anything to ensure our rights as individual members of society.

Are all Canadian politicians that thoughtless and obsessive in their need to "sympathise"? Autism hardly ever gets mentioned in the Finnish parliament, and - given the shitty state of affairs with knowledge and clinical paradigms here - I'm rather glad about that.

David
oddizm  2
04-01-2004 08:03 PM ET (US)
My condolensces to Minister Pettigrew for his suffering from such a terrible ignorance of who autistics are.
My feeling is that it's not so wrong to be a child autistic or a silent autistic as it is to be an adult autistic and worse yet a vocal and informed adult autistic.

my jaw dropped when I read his "condolences" to you.
 I said to myself,
"Self, this man doesn't know who he's talking to." I said other things to myself about the man, but I will keep them to myself.

Keep it up Michelle. I look forward to meeting you, someday. :-)

Merci non beaucoups M. Pierre Pettigrew

oddizm
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03-31-2004 07:16 PM ET (US)
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