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Vicarious  25
07-07-2007 04:41 PM ET (US)
While I, personally, am a huge fan of hallucinogens, my mind is capable of entertaining all possible solutions to this question. In a certain way, the reality is in fact real AT THE TIME of ingestion/into the trip, seeing as how easily swept away and how intricately produced that reality is. However, by the same token, I also believe that any psychedelic, such as lsd, shrooms, or dmt, can and does in fact do nothing more than scramble the senses. For instance, on my last "trip" I took 4 hits of lysergic acid dithalymine, double dipped to a 125 microgram content per tab. I went to the park, brought music and my laptop. The very fabric of reality and time seemed to crumble around me, and my vision was almost that of an intense heavenly area. In what seemed to me to be a period of literal years, I did numerous things, such as watch clouds form above me, contemplating deeply how such things occur. Then I drifted into thinking how my current state made certain aspects of these clouds to appear to me, when normally I would be incapable of perceiving such things. Later, I did the same thing with grass. Then it started raining, and my god, how amazing that was. I went to the car, and watched water droplets splatter onto it, and then crystallize into tiny pools. I then drove home, which was remarkably easy, and got in the shower. Time seemed to come to a complete halt, as I turned the water on, I could see each individual drop coming at me, yet I didn't move, and in an instant was pelted with warm water. That was the typical parts of the trip. Yet, there was also evidence of major scrambling of my senses. For instance, I would taste things that I was looking at, like pine cones. Something I had never previously eaten, or even entertained the thought of eating. I would take sips of Lipton Green Tea, and taste only portions, then a half hour later, taste the rest of it. To truly ever know the answer to this question, one must literally try a hallucinogen in a fairly high dose. One hit of lsd gives the shiny, glossy, dumbfounded state. Yet, in high doses, truly profound, completely unexplainable things happen. There are incredibly strange coincidences created in our perception, albeit fake or real, that are simply unexplainable. For instance, that day I brought a friend with me, who also took 4. We walked and talked of many things, yet once into the trip fully, we became mirror images of the other. I noticed how he was the opposite of me, and coincidences such as us walking apart as soon as I had thought about it happening, or me thinking of bringing up a certain topic would incite him to say the exact opposite thing I was thinking of saying. When I wanted to talk to him, I found him walking in a strange pattern which coincided with my thoughts. The next day, I asked him about these things, and he remembers them vividly as well. How could both our perceptions be altered to the same degree? It certain sparks a good deal of thought and question. Overall, as far as my experiences go, which is over 100 acid trips, 50 shroom trips, 2 peyote, and 3 dmt, I believe that drugs allow our brains to observe new realities. Note, the word choice "observe". Quantum theory suggests that electrons act based on what perceives them. "The power of the observer" Going back to the ever mind-numbingly aggravating questions of "If a tree falls down in the woods, but no one is there, does it make a sound?", I believe it is just that. The world is only what you allow it to be, and the mind is the ultimate creator. How is it possible that we have senses in dreams? I for one have had dreams where I’ve felt cold/hot, smelled things, felt sexual arousal, etc. How do we shield pain out of dreams? How do monks shield pain out of their physical perception via mind over matter? Your reality can only be what you allow yourself to sympathetically participate in. You can argue that if a car hits you at 60 mph, that you WILL die. Yet, is there even a slight, slight, minute possibility that you won't? Won't there always be a chance, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant? If there are an infinite number of realities as Quantum theory suggests, then perhaps in one of them it is possible? This is just the tip of the iceberg my friends.
Erich Kuersten  24
01-24-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)
the "is this is or is this aint" question is not one to be answered, but TRANSCENDED. There is a real freedom in being able to transcend duality. Indeed, we must transcend duality for that is the only way this crazy endless board game of existence will ever finally end (at the beginning). This is why the only way to truly win a war, for example, is to make the enemy your friend. Patrick Harpur writes well on this subject in his Daemons book, and Pinchbeck reaches the same conclusion in 2012 as he tries to wrap his noodle around the abundant contradictions in crop circles. If we ask are aliens real we will never get an answer, since "real" itself is a term that will have to be thrown clear out the window if we will ever BEGIN to understand the alien/elf/magic city/spaceship dimension. Even admitting that all we have to go by is our sensory perception is not enough. I predict that as we spin closer to the big 2012 we will begin to grasp these paradoxes more clearly, as if by magic. The fludiity of identity, the transmigration of soul energy through the magnetic fields of space and time, the ability we all have locked away in our brains to create the tangible real world before us through sheer thought, these things and more await once we stop projecting one half of the whole on the wall and pretending we're just the other half and then wasting our last few years left on futile shadow boxing.
the Cheshire Cat  23
11-17-2006 08:34 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-17-2006 08:35 AM
All evidence I have that there is a reality at all is derived from the senses, and the senses perceive nothing outside themselves. Whatever I see is a neural impulse from the retina, whatever i hear is a neural impulse from the eardrum. Those impulses get scrambled around in the brain in the most opaque of ways. There is no way to validate reality at all except by assumption.

Even assuming an objective reality, there is no way we can know that we ever perceive it unfiltered, with or without drugs. I don't see how I can at any given time know I'm not dreaming or hallucinating. Any experience is as valid as any other for all that I know.
 
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Butch...  18
09-30-2005 12:27 AM ET (US)
Definately not, because hallucinations are only really a manifestation of the brain trying to protect itself from overload....

DMT... interferes with the brains gating mecahnism, so impules that the brain would normally screen out, from the subconscious mind are instead changed into hallucinations to protect the brain from being overloaded...

Thus Hallucinations are very little different than dreams, just as in a dream, emotions that are too painful to become aware of are disguised via symbolism, in essence to allow the dreamer to have the experience yet remain defended....in other words jerk their mind off...

Here is the answer to all your questions: The symbol or symptom is the contradiction between the feeling and the need to repress it...
Gary F. Goodman  17
04-11-2005 12:37 PM ET (US)
If the person ON the trip can, DURING the trip:
1. Count to 1000
2. Tell the exact geographical location (more oor less) he/she is standing on
3. Tell the date and time
4. Tell who the Presdident of the United States is

THEN that person should feel free to describe, in as much detail as possible, the "reality" thast he or she "sees".

But there must be a way to TEST this description, so the whole experience is _repeatrable_. That's the essence of Science, remember: repeatability under strict conditions.
5dimensional doGooder  16
03-08-2005 05:07 PM ET (US)
I would agree with the Hooligan. Reality does not exist per se, but rather is percieved. So whatever we (either as individuals on drugs or collectively sober) percieve is in fact reality. I hate to bring up the ol' Matrix reference, but really, how do we know we are in fact not in a simulated reality, or the only conciousness that exists is actually my own, and the world was created in my mind as a self defense mechanism against the trauma of that realization. Oh hell... I don't know what I'm talking about.
NostreborPerson was signed in when posted  15
12-20-2004 05:25 PM ET (US)
My wife suffers from Capgras syndrome. She thinks that I (Jeff) am dead and have been replaced by two imposters Fred or Carl. Usually she thinks I am Fred.
4dimensional hooligan  14
12-12-2004 09:49 PM ET (US)
have you guys ever heard about TEMPORAL LOBE EPILEPSY? or the CAPGRAS SYNDROME? the people suffering these anomalies are absolutely sane. they just construct their reality in a different way than the rest of us. but in the end, their brains suffer... meaning that this state wears down the "thinking machine".
4dimensional hooligan  13
12-12-2004 09:39 PM ET (US)
the first assumption one must make is: there is a reality. actually i think we CREATE reality. as humans, we have a somewhat "typical" human way of navigating around with our senses. this is what connects us humans, but it is also what seperates us from each other. drugs surely "do" something. they change the way we perceive reality or more precise: they change the way we CONSTRUCT reality. it's like a different viewpoint really. nothing more - nothing less. btw: i like psychedelica, but postulating alternate realities just because of the "fact" that they feel so real is a bit hasty. a paranoid does not think he's paranoid in the first place! and that's a part of paranoya.
mykey  12
11-04-2004 06:43 AM ET (US)
You can bet your bippy they can. Reality is all around if we could perceive it, and we all do to a certain degree. Psychoactives help break down the walls we have built-up around our perceptions and thus allowing the user to see their own perceptions from a differant perspective. Whew! Here's an example. I was taught(or came to believe)that a free national health care system is no good. The quality of care goes down hill,long lines at the doctors office,etc. This perception I carried for years and believed it. But, after taking a "trip" I saw this subject from a differant angle. The reality I created in my belief system was not only wrong,it was disgusting. I had become narcisstically selfish over the years. I was concerned about the quality of my health care while millions have no health care at all. There are many realities. I don't care if the grass is really blue in color. I accept that I see green only because the grass is reflecting this color of the spectrum. People make too much out of "what is" reality. I do know this: If you've become a sheeple and follow all the rules,go to work,raise a family,pay your taxes,etc.,etc., and you find yourself not content,then try something differant. There is much more to reality than what you know. There are many ways to see these differant realities. If you ever do, be careful. We sometimes have a tendency to try and define what it is that we've discovered. The problem of defining something is to create borders to contain it,put it in a book. Some things,including realty, can't be contained and defined. So,enjoy this reality we call life and take it for what it is.
Simon  11
05-28-2004 06:00 AM ET (US)
Rather than through drugs DMT, dreams, or yoga, I have arrived at similar concepts through essentially pure reason. Essentially the ontology can be viewed as a hierachy of sorts:

The Dreamtime > The Tao > God > Cosmos

One can quibble about the relationships of these ideas, but this thing I call the Dreamtime, it is..very disturbing. Because it is essentially not sane. It encapsulates all possibilities and all impossibilites; it is absurd. It is the most important, and the most trivial; all realities lie within yet none are true. It both follows the tao and defies it. It is a place where god really is omnipotent, infallible and omnicient, and yet can awake to find he is but an urchin in the street. Logic does not apply. It is an infinitely nested dream; you could wake up as an angel, defy gods decree and fight his forces for millenia, only to spend eternity burning in hell, yet to awake as a mushroom in a stew.
Thus, in ultimate dreamtime, that DMT reality is both real and unreal, reality and delusion, and all possbile and *impossible* variations and permutations.
The key, anyway, that links it to this thread is that the chaos that God is dreaming away can be reached from within his dream, but he doesnt want to wake up yet.
herm  10
05-01-2004 09:30 AM ET (US)
  My hyperdimensional eyeball cloud claims to be a transport device, by means of which other realities may be apprehended. It doesn't only represent a valid reality, it is a gate to ALL the realities.
  One thing I know for sure, is that sustained use of NN DMT will result in contact phenomena. It is way past time to argue about weather or not they exist, and time to start listening to what they can teach us.
  NN DMT is only a fun thing if you are the type that enjoys being devoured by vast monsters and transported to strange topographies along it's hyperdimensional digestive tract. Every organ in it is another level of reality to be explored.
  .........yeah. I like it!
Massozen  9
04-28-2004 06:39 PM ET (US)
Although it is apparent by way of scientific aparatus that we as a species experience very little our environment has to offer without assistance (radio, infra red and ultra violet frequencies, scents which, to a dog, are impossible to miss, etc.) the reality in which we live is the basis for what we do sense. If someone is using a substance to go to a higher plane of reality, to see more, to expand their minds, and a large carniverous beast approaches and takes a bite out of them while they were moving amongst the stars or speaking with the divine elders, they are still going to be nibbled to death. Therefore their perception was not increased, they did not expand their mind, and watching the streetlights dance while on a "trip" did not help them in any way. It actually limited them, made them vulnerable and easy prey. Alot of this relates to that exact thing. What are you prey for? Humans have this incredible need to think of themselves as supassing the normality of existance without stopping to think how little normality there really is. The wonder of the visible, the detectable and the quantifiable is so vast and so complex that to understand it takes a great deal of time and dedication, while popping a pill or listening to drums until your mind goes numb takes nothing. From the imagination comes this great "Wisdom" that requires nothing as evidence. Oxygen deprivation, alchohol, and even too many hot peppers (well it worked for Homer Simpson) can all induce states of altered conciousness. Are these real? Who knows. If something is preceived as real then its up to the one who precieved it to determine. Basically if we think about things hard enough we can rationalize any reality to ourselves. So after this long meandering discertation the only way to answer the question is this. Be true to yourself, dont lie to yourself, and trust yourself. Because everything around you may simply be a product of your mind under the influence of a stimulant you took in your REAL reality. By the way... dont wake up, you'll kill us all.
David Solomonoff  8
01-05-2004 01:15 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 01-05-2004 01:16 PM
Neuropsychologist Dr. Michael Persinger claims phenomena such as mystical
experiences and alien abductions are caused by electromagnetism
and markets headgear to induce such experiences. If they can be induced in this way does that mean they are any more or less "real"?
iaohannes  7
01-04-2004 04:44 AM ET (US)
ahh Yes the Divine Mother Terminal is a station on
the Nirvana line..gate 5meo....NN........where elves board time travelling giant manta rays on there way back here from.....over there...
over there
well
the elves are cumming
the elves are cumming
the elves are cumming over there.,..
_-=David=-_  6
12-26-2003 02:20 PM ET (US)
John: What exactly do you mean by "phenomena"... "self-dribbling machine elves" ?
John F. Szczubelek  5
12-25-2003 04:46 PM ET (US)
Drugs like DMT allow us to alter the means by which our perceptive hardware interprets existing stimuli. The phenomena seen with DMT are always there, they just are not often seen without the assistance of DMT.
vortusthemad  4
12-25-2003 04:18 PM ET (US)
well...............having been a bit of a shamamic seeker myself .... some of the "higher states " i have achieved thru yoga and dreaming are very similiar to states experienced thru use of said substance and other psychoactives. and i am only guessing that this is due to stimulation of glands within the brain or the emulation of this stimulation by the ingestation of psychoactives.
 Rarely did i feel i was in another reality but when i did it was a profound , if not terrifying experience. such experiences did provide a completely new vantage point for looking at myself. dmt seemed to provide a state of immediate egoic dissolution and states following defy description and even memory in some cases. the metaphor of a whirling cloud of eyes comes close.
 i have never had access to the vegetable form and the elongated expereince it provides .as for whether or not it is revealing a true reality , i feel ambivalent whether the experience is a perception of another reality or a glimpse into the maze of our brain chemistry.
 However , i am convinced there is an indisputable value to the use of psychoactives and undeniable historical evidence of a nearly universal use by human cultures of these substances as tools to understand ourselves and our place here on the earth.
 Be forwarned ... dmt is powerful , unforgiving and rarely "fun" and should be used in a metered dose , a controlled setting and with specific spiritual goals in mind. It is only for the "experienced " user and people who have a proven ability to use psychedilics and reassemble their personalities without permanent disruption..delusion and psychosis.
_-=David=-_  3
12-25-2003 11:01 AM ET (US)
I need more experience and research to understand how chemistry affects the human thought process, but I think we are capable of being extremely aware of how the bits and pieces of existance are inter-connected and our natural electrobiochemistry might need some food in order to bring this self-awareness to consciousness.
Kathleen Dodge  2
12-25-2003 10:43 AM ET (US)
I believe that drugs like DMT do let us access something "real". The images and entities are just too real and detailed to be a total artifact of the mind. Someday, I think scientists will be able to communicated with entities discovered in these other realms.
Cliff PickoverPerson was signed in when posted  1
12-25-2003 10:34 AM ET (US)
Can drugs like DMT reveal a true, valid reality, or do they simply distort our perception of reality?
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