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02-21-2008 03:14 AM ET (US)
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Vicarious  25
07-07-2007 04:41 PM ET (US)
While I, personally, am a huge fan of hallucinogens, my mind is capable of entertaining all possible solutions to this question. In a certain way, the reality is in fact real AT THE TIME of ingestion/into the trip, seeing as how easily swept away and how intricately produced that reality is. However, by the same token, I also believe that any psychedelic, such as lsd, shrooms, or dmt, can and does in fact do nothing more than scramble the senses. For instance, on my last "trip" I took 4 hits of lysergic acid dithalymine, double dipped to a 125 microgram content per tab. I went to the park, brought music and my laptop. The very fabric of reality and time seemed to crumble around me, and my vision was almost that of an intense heavenly area. In what seemed to me to be a period of literal years, I did numerous things, such as watch clouds form above me, contemplating deeply how such things occur. Then I drifted into thinking how my current state made certain aspects of these clouds to appear to me, when normally I would be incapable of perceiving such things. Later, I did the same thing with grass. Then it started raining, and my god, how amazing that was. I went to the car, and watched water droplets splatter onto it, and then crystallize into tiny pools. I then drove home, which was remarkably easy, and got in the shower. Time seemed to come to a complete halt, as I turned the water on, I could see each individual drop coming at me, yet I didn't move, and in an instant was pelted with warm water. That was the typical parts of the trip. Yet, there was also evidence of major scrambling of my senses. For instance, I would taste things that I was looking at, like pine cones. Something I had never previously eaten, or even entertained the thought of eating. I would take sips of Lipton Green Tea, and taste only portions, then a half hour later, taste the rest of it. To truly ever know the answer to this question, one must literally try a hallucinogen in a fairly high dose. One hit of lsd gives the shiny, glossy, dumbfounded state. Yet, in high doses, truly profound, completely unexplainable things happen. There are incredibly strange coincidences created in our perception, albeit fake or real, that are simply unexplainable. For instance, that day I brought a friend with me, who also took 4. We walked and talked of many things, yet once into the trip fully, we became mirror images of the other. I noticed how he was the opposite of me, and coincidences such as us walking apart as soon as I had thought about it happening, or me thinking of bringing up a certain topic would incite him to say the exact opposite thing I was thinking of saying. When I wanted to talk to him, I found him walking in a strange pattern which coincided with my thoughts. The next day, I asked him about these things, and he remembers them vividly as well. How could both our perceptions be altered to the same degree? It certain sparks a good deal of thought and question. Overall, as far as my experiences go, which is over 100 acid trips, 50 shroom trips, 2 peyote, and 3 dmt, I believe that drugs allow our brains to observe new realities. Note, the word choice "observe". Quantum theory suggests that electrons act based on what perceives them. "The power of the observer" Going back to the ever mind-numbingly aggravating questions of "If a tree falls down in the woods, but no one is there, does it make a sound?", I believe it is just that. The world is only what you allow it to be, and the mind is the ultimate creator. How is it possible that we have senses in dreams? I for one have had dreams where I’ve felt cold/hot, smelled things, felt sexual arousal, etc. How do we shield pain out of dreams? How do monks shield pain out of their physical perception via mind over matter? Your reality can only be what you allow yourself to sympathetically participate in. You can argue that if a car hits you at 60 mph, that you WILL die. Yet, is there even a slight, slight, minute possibility that you won't? Won't there always be a chance, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant? If there are an infinite number of realities as Quantum theory suggests, then perhaps in one of them it is possible? This is just the tip of the iceberg my friends.
Erich Kuersten  24
01-24-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)
the "is this is or is this aint" question is not one to be answered, but TRANSCENDED. There is a real freedom in being able to transcend duality. Indeed, we must transcend duality for that is the only way this crazy endless board game of existence will ever finally end (at the beginning). This is why the only way to truly win a war, for example, is to make the enemy your friend. Patrick Harpur writes well on this subject in his Daemons book, and Pinchbeck reaches the same conclusion in 2012 as he tries to wrap his noodle around the abundant contradictions in crop circles. If we ask are aliens real we will never get an answer, since "real" itself is a term that will have to be thrown clear out the window if we will ever BEGIN to understand the alien/elf/magic city/spaceship dimension. Even admitting that all we have to go by is our sensory perception is not enough. I predict that as we spin closer to the big 2012 we will begin to grasp these paradoxes more clearly, as if by magic. The fludiity of identity, the transmigration of soul energy through the magnetic fields of space and time, the ability we all have locked away in our brains to create the tangible real world before us through sheer thought, these things and more await once we stop projecting one half of the whole on the wall and pretending we're just the other half and then wasting our last few years left on futile shadow boxing.
the Cheshire Cat  23
11-17-2006 08:34 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-17-2006 08:35 AM
All evidence I have that there is a reality at all is derived from the senses, and the senses perceive nothing outside themselves. Whatever I see is a neural impulse from the retina, whatever i hear is a neural impulse from the eardrum. Those impulses get scrambled around in the brain in the most opaque of ways. There is no way to validate reality at all except by assumption.

Even assuming an objective reality, there is no way we can know that we ever perceive it unfiltered, with or without drugs. I don't see how I can at any given time know I'm not dreaming or hallucinating. Any experience is as valid as any other for all that I know.
 
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Butch...  18
09-30-2005 12:27 AM ET (US)
Definately not, because hallucinations are only really a manifestation of the brain trying to protect itself from overload....

DMT... interferes with the brains gating mecahnism, so impules that the brain would normally screen out, from the subconscious mind are instead changed into hallucinations to protect the brain from being overloaded...

Thus Hallucinations are very little different than dreams, just as in a dream, emotions that are too painful to become aware of are disguised via symbolism, in essence to allow the dreamer to have the experience yet remain defended....in other words jerk their mind off...

Here is the answer to all your questions: The symbol or symptom is the contradiction between the feeling and the need to repress it...
Gary F. Goodman  17
04-11-2005 12:37 PM ET (US)
If the person ON the trip can, DURING the trip:
1. Count to 1000
2. Tell the exact geographical location (more oor less) he/she is standing on
3. Tell the date and time
4. Tell who the Presdident of the United States is

THEN that person should feel free to describe, in as much detail as possible, the "reality" thast he or she "sees".

But there must be a way to TEST this description, so the whole experience is _repeatrable_. That's the essence of Science, remember: repeatability under strict conditions.
5dimensional doGooder  16
03-08-2005 05:07 PM ET (US)
I would agree with the Hooligan. Reality does not exist per se, but rather is percieved. So whatever we (either as individuals on drugs or collectively sober) percieve is in fact reality. I hate to bring up the ol' Matrix reference, but really, how do we know we are in fact not in a simulated reality, or the only conciousness that exists is actually my own, and the world was created in my mind as a self defense mechanism against the trauma of that realization. Oh hell... I don't know what I'm talking about.
NostreborPerson was signed in when posted  15
12-20-2004 05:25 PM ET (US)
My wife suffers from Capgras syndrome. She thinks that I (Jeff) am dead and have been replaced by two imposters Fred or Carl. Usually she thinks I am Fred.
4dimensional hooligan  14
12-12-2004 09:49 PM ET (US)
have you guys ever heard about TEMPORAL LOBE EPILEPSY? or the CAPGRAS SYNDROME? the people suffering these anomalies are absolutely sane. they just construct their reality in a different way than the rest of us. but in the end, their brains suffer... meaning that this state wears down the "thinking machine".
4dimensional hooligan  13
12-12-2004 09:39 PM ET (US)
the first assumption one must make is: there is a reality. actually i think we CREATE reality. as humans, we have a somewhat "typical" human way of navigating around with our senses. this is what connects us humans, but it is also what seperates us from each other. drugs surely "do" something. they change the way we perceive reality or more precise: they change the way we CONSTRUCT reality. it's like a different viewpoint really. nothing more - nothing less. btw: i like psychedelica, but postulating alternate realities just because of the "fact" that they feel so real is a bit hasty. a paranoid does not think he's paranoid in the first place! and that's a part of paranoya.
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