What does Capgras Syndrome say about the thin
fabric of reality?

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Capgras syndrome is fascinating. Please keep adding these stories to RealityCarnival. I wonder if the syndrome has any connection with the theory of doppelgangers, alien abduction, or "Men in Black"? I wonder if there is a reverse Capgras syndrome in which people we don't know seem like people we do know.

 What it says is that we keep coming in the end to skepticism, that we can't really be sure of the true reality. How could you prove to such a person they are in an authentic reality? what the heck does authentic reality even mean? (do the afflicted feel they are in the wrong universe?)

BobEVans -- Yeah , the name for that is Fregoli's syndrome -- where the person thinks that people with different physical characteristics are infact the same person....

I think Maru is so right,what is "the right" reality? maybe people with mental diseases are not sick but just on a higher level - how can we prove that there's something wrong with them and not with so-called normal people?

My husband Stan has parkinsonion type with,what neuro says
Lbd dementia. However he thinks I am an imposter, saying I'm his wife. What meds or treatment is there for this. Tks
Pat in SC

I was just wondering...re: your husband...can you ask him what specifically about your looks different? I once had a vision change that resulted in people looking physically different to me. I had a headache at the same time. It was very alienating. Is anything else different? For example, did his art change? Music? Math abiity? Personal grooming? Does he get lost more often? Has he lost some emotion?

Since he had a stroke in 2002 he has not known me, his wife, he �D; thinks there are 4 to 6 girls impersonating his wife, he mistrusts�D; me, thinking I'm an impersonator trying to use his ins, etc. He hides his billfold,checks,etc, because of this paranoia. He does not believe�D; me when I try to tell him I am indeed his wife. After almost 2 yrs,�D; I don't have mush hope of him ever knowing me. Tks �D;
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Does he have specific pain or headache?

No, he does not have specific pain, only his Parkinson symptoms�D; make it hard for him to get up and down , can't walk very good.�D; �D;
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Theres a couple of messages been posted, which say, how do you know that person isn't in an othentic reality. I myself have been through mental illness. I belivie that even through it your trying to work out, what you yourself firmly belivie in. How intellegent are we? Does anyone think we are trying to tap in to parts of our brain we don't use?

Hello,

My name is Eddie Stafford, I work as a researcher for a London based production company called Tigress, part of the Tiger Aspect Group (www.tigeraspect.co.uk). We make high profile scientific docuemntary films for networks like the BBC and Channel 4.

I am keen to talk with people, for the purpose of background research, who have had their lives affected by rare neurological conditions, one of which is capgras syndrome. I am very keen to talk with anyone who has any experience of capgras and would appreciate it if you could e-mail me at the following address:
 
eddiestafford@tigressproductions.co.uk

Please note that by contacting me at this stage you are making no commitment to be a part of this documentary.

Many thanks,

Eddie

I had a client who at around 80 yrs old had a severe stroke and was adamant that her apartment was a replica and I tried to help her by saying how clever it was of the condo management to replace everything so exactly. This of course did not soothe her and after a time the thoughts would fade but reoccur each time attendants took her out
for sunshine, etc. She died after about 3 months. Before this was a very strong willed, intelligent person. However, no one tried to (medical research person) tried to find out what was causing this, this was before the very fast MRI procedures or chemical tests. Fascinating how our reality is so tenuous for us to navigate our version of the world.

Hello, Capgras syndrom is quite interesting to study. I read a book named "L'image pathologique du corps" written by St閜hane Thibierge, which is a great study concerning Capgras and Fregoli syndroms. I don't know if this book has been traslated into english...


Fregoli syndrom: when a person thinks that someone, always the same person, is following him under different pieces of dress . Fregoli was an actor who had the ability to change of costume, suits, very quickly. A person who suffers from Fregoli would say that this neighbor,the butcher and the doctor of the bloc are one person, who has changed his dress.

These symptoms deal with fake or false recognitions. It's a psychotic phenomenom due to the non recognition of his own body image by the subject. Maybe you've heard about Lacan mirror stage and about the mirror sign discovered by Abely and Delmas, two french psychiatrists.

Tom

Edited by author 09-25-2005 01:14 PM
"Versitech" is a shortening for Versipellis Technology, both my own terms for the technology extra-terrestrials use to dissemble their actual physiognomies.
"Capgras Syndrome" is a term for genuine brain damage, though I have discussed this technology with so-called top men in Capgras Syndrome analysis, Hayden Ellis & Andrew Young.
I'm interested in a sensational case of alien infiltration by means of versitech, where THREE TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT TOTALLY SEPARATE TIMES EACH DISCOVERED THEY'D SEEN THE SAME GUY CHANGE FOR SPLIT SECONDS INTO A SMALL LARGE HEADED ALIEN BEING FOR A FEW SECONDS ONLY....."Aw, God, I thought I was mad"-type conversations....have written a book about this and had an offer for it from a publisher, but I refused it, which altercation I would describe to any other publisher who may also be interested....though I do accept that Andrew Young is correctly identifying brain damaged conditions....he & I both agreed that it was odd that a health magazine had referred to Capgras syndrome as "a condition where a sexual partner believes the other person in the relationship is an alien being from another world"
also I've recently heard that four musicians in a recording studio saw one of the engineers change momentarily into a small being....they were far too terrified to make it worth joking "You must all have been on LSD" or such like...
David Moncoeur
<ravemoncoeur@yahoo.co.uk>

I am a documentary filmmaker in England working with Windfall Films, an award-winning and highly respected production company specialising in social, historical, and scientific documentaries. I recently stumbled across Capgras syndrome on the Reality Carnival and am fascinated both by what it must be like to have this condition, but equally about what it must be like when the person you love and have married thinks that you are an imposter.
I wondered if anyone reading this, who lives with a partner with capgrass would be willing to speak to me? Is this a recent thing? Why do you think or have you been told did it start? How do you cope with it>

this is for background research, in confidence. Although I am hoping I will be able to make a film at some stage. My email is francine@windfallfilms.com;
best
Francine Shaw
Producer Director
Windfall films

Francine: I don't know if you have received the info you requested but if not, my wife has capgras. You can contact me at shelly@cybersol.com.

 Email is
 hogma3592@aol.com
  If someone out there has capgras please enmail me would like to know i`m not alone with this illness capgras I know its not to knowen
                    thank you Nanner

  Hello
 I had this capgras over three years now. With the right pills it can help to control it but it always is there When it happens i want to get out away from where it started for me. if you or someone you know who has capgras please email me than i wont seem so alone
              Hogma3592@aol.com

hi everyone my names paul i am the son of a capgras sufferer. my mum is now 60 poor thing had this illness over 32years the pills and potions never worked.my family was ripped apart.we were lied to by everybody concerning my mums condition.my sister was the person my mum had problems with from the age of 7 my sister never had her mum.violence there was plenty my sister was the imposter.. the fact is my sister now has power of atouney over everything concerning my poor old mum who is now at a stage where things are looking a bit brighter..but its taken me personaly over 20years plus to FINNALY get the name of her condition..the morral of my very breif story is this condition ripps the heart out of many families..but there is always hope.my god i have never spoken a single word of this to anybody its to frightning to remember..god bless u all.

       Hello I would like to talk to someone who has capgras
        Please email me Hogma3592@aol.com
                    I have it for almost 4 years
                                      Nancy

I am surprised. For all my life (48 years old now), I had have episodes when I do not recognize my image in mirrors and I do not recognize my name when someone calls.
Sometime I do not recognize my parents when a child, and so on... but those episodes last a few seconds and later I react and I can know who I am and who the other are. I supossed it was a normal thing, that everyone have this moments and never shared this.
I have a high IQ and an academic work. I thought this perceptions are linked to intellectual work. What do you think?

What s this shit....
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Edited by author 08-03-2006 01:33 PM
My deepest sympathies to those of you with Capgras syndrome. I just wanted to alert you all that a brilliant author named Richard Powers has a book coming out called "The Echo Maker" that deals with Capgras. It is a novel, but it depicts a heartbreaking portrait of how Capgras can affect family relationships.

Frank, I'm very sorry to hear of your troubles. Believe me, as I am an
additional victim of my wife's illness, I know what you have gone through.
Every morning for years when my wife and I arrive in a common area of the
house (we live on seperate ends of a ranch house) she says: "You couldn't be my husband; not in a million years." In her mind, her husband is a great guy and I, the imposter, am a terrible animal.
I wish I could give some good advice. The truth is that they know very
little about the mind. There is no help that I can give, except "grin and
bear it." Accept it for what it is and throw away any hope that there is
something that can be done. It won't happen, at least I feel it won't, not in our lifetimes, if ever.
I do believe, however, that Capgras is a syndrome of other mental illnesses and is not a delusion. My wife was diagnosed with Schizo Affective Disorder. She has been through all the medicines and, currently, is without medicine.
She seems to have adapted a lot and can get along by herself with minimal
help. She drives, cleans the house, shops, cooks, reads but she lives in
another world.
How old are you?
Where do you live?

Sheldon (Shelly) Waxman, J.D. http://www.thelawyer.info
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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Rock" <rockman_says@hotmail.com>
To: <shelly@cybersol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:00 PM

I am the son of a mother who has capgras. I read your note in the quick
notes. It has been 12 years of agony for us. Do you have any good advise. It seems that it is a very rare condition and i am looking for anyone who can shed some light for me because the psychiotrists we are worthless
 thanks, Frank

I meant that Capgras should be considered a symptom of other illnesses and not a "syndrome" or separate illness.

i so agree capgras should do that i mean seriously skeet skeet skeet

HI OUT THERRE.. mY 79 YR. OLD MOTHER HAS JUST BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH CAPGRAS..
WE HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG, BUT COULDN'T PUT OUR FINGER ON IT. BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TO US ( FIVE SISTERS & BROTHERS)
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT..AND HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN ANSWER US???
MY MOM COMPLETELY DOES NOT SEE MY YOUNGER SISTER ANYMORE, SHE THINKS SHE IS MY MOMS 66YR OLD SISTER...
DOES THIS PROGRESSIVELY GET WORSE??? OR WILL IT TAPER OFF NOW THAT SHE IS TAKING DRUGS??
HELP
YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT GALLERYHUB@AOL.COM

 Hello to all who live with this capgras. I would very much like to hear from someone who has this illness. I have this illness I`m sure this is very hard on my husband since he is the double.
                                   Take care god bless all
                                              Nanner

hi,
 I am Alexia. I am writing a paper on Capgras. I find it a very interesting and sad syndrome. I am truely sorry for those who live with it and for those who are living with a spouse or relative with it. My deepest sympathys go out to you and your familys and friends.
 I was hopeing that maybe some people on here could help me out. If there is anything that you could tell me about this, it would be very helpful.
thanks,
lexi.

I too suffer from capgras syndrome and multipersonality syndrome skitso affective (bypolar type) and post tramatic stress disorder I live in alaska and was born here I was maried for 20 yrs and my family would change and peoples bodies would look distorted and their clothing looked too big or small unlike houres earlier before they left my sight often I did not know my own children and it kept getting weirder I once stayed up 27 days w/o sleep on high alert as to these clones taking my family and testing ont them.But now thet I am divorcing and have ben with my fieonsay and meds (7 kinds)they r finaly working and for 3 yrs I have had no episodes this leads me to beleave thet someone was playing with my mind because no family=no symptoms or episodes .If anyone out their has more info or would like to studie me we can talk e-mail me if you would like. and dont worie it can get better-blessings-cyn

I might be coming down with the syndrome. Recently, I have been confused by my boyfriend. One second he is wearing red and the next he is wearing a green shirt. He swears to me he has not changed clothes. Then I will notice his hair is slightly different and his face and mannerisms have slightly changed. Years ago I would forget what people would look like and be fascinated to see them after just saying good bye to them a few hours before! Somehow, they never seemed to look the same as the memory I held in my head. I feel that with age it is getting worse. I have accused my boyfriend of acting differently or being strange and he just shrugs and tells me he is moody. I have dreams that he is an imposter and is actually David Duchovney or someone else...
   I am 36 years old and have never done drugs. I do have a highly creative mind and was labeled at a young age "gifted" with intelligence. Now, I struggle with these tricks my mind is playing. I never knew there was a disease like this out there. I have had some severe head injuries but to my knowledge no lasting damage. I hope these symptoms don't get worse. The other symptom I have had is looking at the mirror and being fascinated with my face. I never seem to recognize myself as myself. Every day I look at my face and am surprised that I look different than what I remembered. I ask my friends and they say I still look the same. Can anyone help me? I do not want this to become a big problem.

Edited by author 01-29-2007 09:37 AM
I was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and Capgras syndrome. I had only short episodes where people did not look real to me. They looked like dolls to me. These episodes only lasted for like 10 minutes and after that everything was normal again. I don't have any symptomes for the last 2.5 years. I remember that i was in a store at some point and there were about 10 people around me. Two of them did not look real and the other 8 did look real. I did not thought about what those 2 (not real) people would be, my mind stopped at that point. They just did not look real. Later i thought about it and in some delusional way i thought that those (not real) people might be some sort of invention, robots of some sort doing some sort of task in the store. Now i know that i was pretty confused at that time. I have medication for schizophrenia (Risperdal) which works pretty well.

I've always been a phonie ever since birth. In front of my family i was always the angel, meanwhile, with my friends i was a whore. i am forever runing off "doin a school project", when in reality i'm doing the badass in class.
I think i suffer from multipersonality sindrome and i'm also 16. I always wanted to the my parents my problem, especially now that this situation has gotten me pregnant... I need some ones help, please, some one tell me how to tell my parents a bout my problem and how its gotten me into a bigger situation.
I dont want to abort, i just want to be a better person for my kidssake

Hello Juana - Look for a local teenage pregnancy clinic or talk to your school guidance counselor to get proper health care for yourself and your unborn child; that's more important than anything at this point. It doesn't sound like you have multiple personalities--we all behave differently when in front of different peopel such as our families, our co-workers, our friends, etc. We all have multiple aspects to our personalities and as Shakespeare said, "The world is a stage." We act as we feel we should act in different situations. I'm not an expert and there may be more than you're telling us about here, but it doesn't sound like you suffer from Crabgras but more like you're a confused teenager who had unprotected sex. Seek help where I advised and take it one day at a time. Good luck, sweetheart.

Years ago when I was in elementary school a teacher jokingly said, "Always remember, when you look in a mirror someone's always looking back." That creeped me out at the time and it still does because sometimes when I look at myself in the mirror it really feels like someone different is staring back at me, someone mean. It's not every day that I feel this way, just a couple of times a year. But the strangeness of it just seems to be getting worse as I get older. I'll be 42 in May, and as I've grown older I've changed physically, as we all do. I'm quickly balding and graying at the same time, developing jowls. I've always struggled with my weight, but my pecs are starting to sag. I don't feel old but when I look in the mirror I see this old-looking guy staring back at me, which makes it feel even more like someone else is in an alternate, mirror reality checking me out the way I'm checking him out. I don't "believe" that's the case and I'm aware of reality. I don't know, maybe I have a mild case of Capgras syndrome. It's almost like when you hear your voice recorded and it sounds like someone completely different.

I am really surprised to read all these stories about a syndrom I never knew existed, but have a lot of experience with. By coincidence I found out that it has a name, and the things I have experienced are not unique.
I am sure that my mother had Capgras syndrom after reading the description on Wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet. I recognize so many things.
 I always felt alone and couldn't really explain to other people what was happening. It sounds funny somehow, if you tell somebody that your mother conciders you to be a fraudilous copy of yourself.
No neurologist has ever mentioned the name 'Capgras' to me, while she was gettting worse and worse. At first she admitted to concider her sister and brother in law to be 'fake' when she was told they both were diagnosed with terminal cancer at the same time. After a while I found out that she also saw her children as 'fakes' when she said to a nurse that she only wanted to see her daughter if she was real.
I recognize the fact that people with Capgras can sometimes act quite normal, and still have some sort of reality. My mother could talk to me as if I was her real daughter, but I was always suspicious that she saw me as a 'doppelganger'. Which was probablby true.
I have lived with this for many years and always felt I was the only one. I'm really happy to find out that this is not the case.
My mother has died 6 years ago because of this, but it still puzzles me. I really like to get in contact with people who know more about this. Maybe I can even help someone, or at least be supportive. Everyone that wants to tell their story can mail me on annacarolina1968@hotmail.com.
I don't pretent to have an answer, but am happy to be a shoulder to lean on.

Hello,
I am writing an article about Capgras and I was hoping someone here who has been diagnosed or has a relative/friend who has been diagnosed with it would be willing to talk to me about it.

Thanks,
Fiona

Hello,

Fiona if you still want to talk about my capgras syndrome you can email me at wnn356240@tiscali.nl

Fiona,
I have a relative with Lewy Body Disease. Capgras is an unfortunate symptom, along with dementia and Parkinsonian features. You may email me or LBDA.org for information.
Claudia

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Capgras Syndrome

so you reaLIZE most of the metal probelms that ppl have are cause the ways they have grown up and yet todays parents continue to shetlter their kids though it leads to dependent personality disorder and other problems those of you who are parents should think about this when upbringing kids.

One day at the age of 16, i had a kind of panic attack, I started looking strange at other people, when I saw someone, I only saw myself, almost like you're looking in a mirror, in my own eyes... That really stressed me out, 7 months everyday. It was strange but after a long time, you get used to it. My psychiatrist came to the conclusion that it had to do with border-line psychotic illnes. I got medicines, that I refused to take, because I didnt wana be hooked on pilss. Ive never had a test for " capgras syndrome" but I feel like that might be what I have or feel, can anyone explain it further to me?

Hello! My name is Jon Maas -- and I'm a producer for the Discovery Health Channel. We are doing a series named "Mystery ER" -- and we're doing an episode on Capgras syndrome.

We're looking for stories where:

* The patient must come to the Emergency Room at some point
* There is a "mystery" at first -- IE no one can figure out that it is Capgras syndrome

If you have a story that you'd like to share with the world, let me know! Email or call me directly! We're on a deadline, so calling is no problem!

Jon Maas
626-535-0868 X 293
jmaas@mikemathisprods.com

English ITV is already doing a TV show about Capgras.

shelly@cybersol.com

English ITV is already doing a TV show about Capgras. Titled, "The Dark Side of the Brain."

shelly@cybersol.com

Besides, you could never get somebody afflicted with Capgras to an Emergency Room.

There is a Dr. Morris B. Goldman at the University of Chicago Hospital that claims he has had partial success treating Capgras.

Edited by author 03-12-2008 01:26 PM
My Mum has been diagnosed with Alzheimers and capgras syndrome. She rarley recognises my dad at all. Although there are only the 2 of them in the house, she believes there are sometimes up to 3 or 4 people living with them. She sometiomes get really angry that these people are using my dads stuff, sleeping in the bed and wearing his clothes but most of the time she accepts that these people are helping her( because that is what I have told her). My dad is at his wits end as they were totally devoted to each other and now he cannot even cuddle her. We could probably cope with the Alzheimers but no one seems to have any advice for us regarding capgras syndrome. She has never failed to recognise me, only my dad. Any advice ?

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I think that this syndrome is very interesting and has a possibility in being correct. Maybe this does exsist and there are things around us that are much more than we could imagine. I don't know if pumping the amazing people full of medications to supress this mentality. This may be lots to learn from in discovering our what our large brains in which we only use a minute amount of are really about.

I have a life-long yearly battle w/ seasonal depression in which the meaning drains from everything in my experience during the darkest winter months. Among other awful effects, objects lose their familiarity and 'mine-ness'. Everything is foreign and artificial looking and this is most pronounced with the people in my life. I know that I know a particular person intimately yet the experience is one where they are suddenly just skin and hair and noise. I can see how someone with the same or similar boichemical malady might subconsciously impose the narrative of 'imposters' familiar to Capgrass Syndrome in order to continue some semblance of purposeful functioning in a devasatingly meaning-drained world. It's odd ill-logic makes perfect sense to me.

My own method of coping has often included aping the forms and feelings of meaning that are no longer present in the winter-- just to get through it. In that sense, in those situations, I am the imposter, pretending to be the same engaged meaningful friend I am at other times in the year.

My mother - who died in 1992 - jad Capgrase syndrome for the last 25 years of her life. In watching a Science channel show aout the brain recently, I saw a woman with carpgas and her husband. And I realize - at age 60 - that I was seeing and hearing someone other than my mother with that illness for the first and only time in my life.

Seeing Dr. Morris - the Chicago doctor mentioned below - encounter this woman sure brought back memories of the complete helplessness I felt in trying to deal with my mother. (In the TV show, the capgras woman throws a glass at him and shouts him out of the house in minutes).

And yet... my mother's courage in fighting this illness - her love - changed my life for the good immesurably. But it's one hell of a condition.