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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  1
11-09-2003 09:55 PM ET (US)
Banned in the USA

Collecting banned books.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  2
12-03-2003 10:49 PM ET (US)
Ah, the American Christian Right: the Not-as-Violent-Anymore Psychos of the Religious World... I Wish They'd Ban My Books

I could use the sales.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  3
01-21-2004 09:53 PM ET (US)
Yeah, That'll Take Care of It

O brave new world! I can already smell the flowers and see the elves dancing. Why hasn't anyone thought of this "censorship" idea before?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  4
02-02-2004 12:32 AM ET (US)
Another Bunch of Small Town American Yokels Lacking Taste, Foresight, and Education...

Poor Judy Blume. 30 Years later and still fighting the same battles. Is there no rest?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  5
02-10-2004 09:42 PM ET (US)
Grendel? I Mean, I Can Understand Banning Where's Waldo, But Grendel?

The Forbidden Library is a nice little resource on banned books. (From Bookslut)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  6
02-20-2004 09:06 PM ET (US)
Imagine! People Caring Enough About Books in Canada to Ban Them!

Feb. 22-28 is Freedom to Read Week in Canada. Celebrate by freeing a book. Or just read about the books that have been banned in Canada (PDF link).



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Rachel LebowitzPerson was signed in when posted  7
02-21-2004 07:54 AM ET (US)
It infuriates me that a book about racism (like To Kill a Mockingbird) should be banned for using the word "nigger". What are the racist people in the book supposed to say? "African-Americans"? As in "Your father's no better than the African-Americans and trash he works for"? Or should that be "refuse"?

It's not listed here, but a Where's Waldo book was once banned because there was a topless woman sunbathing on the beach.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  8
02-21-2004 10:14 AM ET (US)
Reminds me of a huge kafuffle back home on PEI when a local artist started selling t-shirts he'd designed, featuring a painting of a red-haired girl running towards the shoreline, bikini top held aloft. Incredible uproar over that. PEI takes the cake for puritanical stupidity. To bring this back to books, for a long time there was a policy against having schools keep their own textbooks, to be passed on to new students from year to year--on the ground that it might spread germs. I kid you not. Germs.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  9
02-26-2004 09:41 PM ET (US)
American Publishers Can Publish Work from the Pentagram of Evil

But if they want to avoid jail, they better not even think about editing it. "The U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control recently declared that American publishers cannot edit works authored in nations under trade embargoes, which include, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya and Cuba. Although publishing the articles is legal, editing is a, quote, service, and the Treasury Department says it's illegal to perform services for embargoed nations. It can be punishable by fines of up to half a million dollars or jail terms as long as ten years." When is someone going to freak out down there and lead the people in a revolt? (Thanks to JLG for the tip.)



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Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  10
02-26-2004 09:55 PM ET (US)
This doesn't make any sense. You'd think the US government would want to be on the side of certain writers and public intellectuals from these countries, who tend to be instrumental in handy little things like revolutions and social change initiatives.

It's funny how the USA gets all upset about poor little countries that don't share their political values, but suddenly American political pride soars out the window when dealing with a marketplace super-power like China. Editing an article by a communist intelligence officer from China is okay, but editing an article by women's rights activist from Iran is punishable under the law.

Nice goin' Dubya. Your adminstration looks dumber everday. I imagine you'll be hearing from PEN about this, maybe Amnesty International, too.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  11
02-26-2004 10:09 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-26-2004 10:20 PM
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Good evening. As a duly designated representative of the City, County, and State of New York, I order you to cease any, and all, supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin, or to the nearest convenient parallel dimension.

Dr. Peter Venkman: That ought to do it. Thanks very much, Ray.
Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  12
02-26-2004 10:30 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-26-2004 10:32 PM
[continued]

Gozer the Destructor: Are you a god?

Dr. Raymon Stantz: [shrugging] No.

Gozer the Destructor: Then....die!

Winston Zedmore: [after Gozer unleashes god-power rays from fingertips, nearly knocking humans from rooftop] Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!



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(BN: what do the Ghostbusters have to do with the article on editorial restrictions imposed by the US government?)
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  13
02-26-2004 10:32 PM ET (US)
You're Ray.

:)
Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  14
02-26-2004 10:33 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-26-2004 10:39 PM
Oh... I get it.

:)

Wait....

Does this mean George W. Bush is going to transform himself into a 900 foot marshmallow man and try to destroy the world?
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  15
02-26-2004 10:56 PM ET (US)
Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  16
02-26-2004 11:14 PM ET (US)
Thanks, George.

That just has to find its way to television!
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  17
02-27-2004 09:54 PM ET (US)
Soon We'll Be Lucky to Have Freedom to Remember Freedom of Speech

Laws that will severely impinge civil liberties are always being passed in the name of security, ethics, and decency. But as of late, things seem particularly dire for "freedom of speech" here in the West. As is often the case, the first targets are creative works by fringe artists. Now, the dude in question here is a fringe of a fringe and only really an artist of self-denial, but the ripple effect is in motion and has serious implications for serious artists. Russell Smith examines bill C-12 and how its impact might be felt in Canada.



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Claude Hoddam-Boullejalka  18
02-27-2004 10:25 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-27-2004 10:27 PM
"Thus will it be illegal to create, distribute, transmit, access or possess wholly fictitious works of the imagination, such as fiction or painting, which represent characters in sexual situations who are or who seem to be under the age of 18, unless the "public good" is proved to be served. Note that we are not talking about representations of actual children, as one finds in video or photographs."

I wonder how this will effect Japanese cartoons like Sailor Moon?
More importantly, I wonder how this will effect work that is "about" child-abuse? It seems to me that such imprecise wording of the law could actually be used against a victim who, in some artistic way, recounts the horrors of his or her own experience, or any artist who wishes to draw attention to the plight of victims of child abuse. For a victim, the repression of this kind of expression is potentially as psychologically damaging as the abuse itself.

Didn't this happen about ten years ago in Canada? Wasn't there an artist who was charged with producing indecent art for a series of paintings about victimization? Such serious subject matter. Should artists in general be silent, even when advocating victims? I can see how the law could be used to prosecute them as well. I can hardly see, under this law, how it could be possible to discuss the issues at all, except in the most oblique manner.

The use of illicit drugs is also illegal? Is Trainspotting next? I wonder.
Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  19
02-27-2004 10:43 PM ET (US)
"Didn't this happen about ten years ago in Canada? Wasn't there an artist who was charged with producing indecent art for a series of paintings about victimization? "

Claude, yes. His name was Eli Langer. The charges were evetually dropped. The case is outlined at the following link.
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/mercer/348.html
Claude Hoddam-Boullejalka  20
02-27-2004 11:21 PM ET (US)
Thanks. Looks like a lot to read through, but I'll have a look.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  21
02-28-2004 12:40 AM ET (US)
Poof! There goes Lolita....
Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  22
02-28-2004 12:58 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 02-28-2004 01:00 AM
Not just Lolita.
There goes half of Anais Nin's work.
There goes anything by Margueritte Duras.

But then, what's the average age of sexual active young women in the Bible? I don't think that slave girl that bore Abraham his first son was over the age 18. Bye-bye Bible!

How old is Ophelia in Hamlet? What's the line? Younger women than her are happy mothers made? How old is Juliet? What, 15, maybe? She sleeps with Romeo. Bye-bye Shakespeare.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  23
02-28-2004 01:33 AM ET (US)
Shit, there go my memoirs too...

Why 18, I wonder, when the age of consent is 14?
Anais Ninja  24
02-28-2004 12:51 PM ET (US)
Ew!
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  25
02-28-2004 05:49 PM ET (US)
Anais, I never said I was the older party...
Anais Ninja  26
02-28-2004 07:13 PM ET (US)
Still, just "Ew!" Consent laws don't overlap with exploitation laws for a reason.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  27
02-28-2004 07:28 PM ET (US)
OK, I give: what reason? (Keeping in mind that there are provisions within consent laws intended to prevent exploitation, and keeping in mind that we're talking about fictional representations here, not actual teenagers engaged in actual sexual acts.)
Anais Ninja  28
02-29-2004 11:47 AM ET (US)
Let me see, ZW. I just wonder what the "artistic" value is, or, in the terms of the new law, how it could possibly serve the public good. The consent law is the way it so a fifteen or sixteen year old boy won't go to jail for sexual contact with his fourteen or fifteen year old girlfriend, not so adult perverts can take advantage of young girls.

Even in Lolita, there are no actual graphic depictions of sexual acts, only references to them, sometimes suggestive, often oblique, and after the fact at that. But, as readers, we never get to watch. I think that's a significant distinction.

I think the word I'm searching is 'gratuitous'. I fail to see how graphic depictions (and by depiction I mean an image or verbal description in graphic detail) of minors having sex could be anything but gratuitous. What would be the point? To horrify? To titillate? Even veteran writers of horror, erotica, smut, whatever, know is more effective to leave something to the imagination. I can only see the purpose of graphic depictions of minors being used to satisfy perverted fantasies and the impulses of very sick people.

Have you ever Read Anais Nin's "Little Birds"? It's about a man who watches school girls out his window and is excited by their beauty. It only works as a story because he never gets his hands on them. I think Lolita only works because Nabakov only teases, in language, about what happens, but he never actually lets us watch.

In contrast, Henry Miller's Under the Roofs of Paris is no better, probably, except perhaps in the quality of its prose, than whatever that guy in BC was arrested for. Graphic depictions of minors having sex, and with adults no less, for the purpose of sexual titillation...I just can't see a legitimate reason for it. It's socially abhorrent, and I don't see why the law shouldn't be applied.
Claude Hoddam-Boullejalka  29
02-29-2004 12:57 PM ET (US)
The Law (here with a capital L) is, in theory, a summery of what a society finds to be permissible and what it finds to be not permissible. In essence, it is the manifestation of a nation’s civic conscience. In practice, however, especially in countries where those who legislate also govern (i.e. most modern nations), the Law is also a manifestation of political consciousness as well as the civic conscience.

The problem, as I see it, with Canada’s age of consent statute is that there’s no tier system in place, there’s no staggering of permissible acts for certain age groups. With the exception of relationships of trust or dependency, the age of consent is 14. That’s it. In my opinion, there should be an addition caveat, as there is in many other societies, that age of consent is 14 so long as the older party is not more than X number of years older than the younger party; for the sake of argument and illustration, let’s say 4 or 5 years older, until such time as both individuals in question reach the legal age of majority.

I can understand Anais Ninja’s reaction to Zach’s question about the age of consent law in /m23, because the question has direct implications for the legal definition of child pornography in Canada. To alter this definition in such a way as to make it analogous with Canada’s age of consent would be, in both the civic and political senses, a legal disaster, and it would have far reaching international implications as well, given that the internet is the primary means of dissemination for such material.

I also believe that it’s important to protect freedom of speech and expression. That said, I don’t believe in the absolute right of anyone to express anything; some things will always be, and should always be, illegal. You may not joke about having a bomb while standing in line at the airport. You may not utter threats of death to a person. You may not share government secrets with another nation. The Law has always placed certain restrictions on freedom of speech, in accordance with social standards and/or for the public safety. These laws do not limit legitimate artistic expression, or legitimate dissent, so there’s no cause for alarm.

The bomb scares, death threats, and acts of treason are all very cut-and-dry examples, but when we wade into the waters of teenage sexuality and sexual development, we are wading into murky waters indeed. Without a doubt, between the ages of 12 and 18, people develop physically, sexually, and mentally at vastly differing rates. It would be impossible to arrive at a concrete definition of sexual maturity, and for this reason, any law applied to the subject of teenage sexuality will be, in large part, arbitrary. The age of consent statue makes this point as well. The development and function of these laws then becomes as mathematical game, a utilitarian application of averages, toward the ultimate end of harm reduction for the most possible citizens.

Making distinctions between real and imagined persons in laws pertaining to the depiction of sexual acts between minors is an abyss of legal nightmares, not the least which is the creation of potential loopholes in existing laws designed to safeguard against the exploitation of minors. Certainly the law can err, as a human invention it is naturally fallible, but in terms of what a society finds permissible, the civic conscience, where the law is designed to protect the weakest and most vulnerable citizens, I believe it is necessary to err on the side of caution. Given that lawyers, judges, and juries will interpret the law on a case-to-case basis, I believe there is little to fear in terms of the repression of legitimate artistic expression. While the creators of highly controversial works may expect to answer difficult questions, they are no doubt aware of the risk.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  30
03-01-2004 03:38 PM ET (US)
AN, re /m28

"I just wonder what the "artistic" value is, or, in the terms of the new law, how it could possibly serve the public good. The consent law is the way it so a fifteen or sixteen year old boy won't go to jail for sexual contact with his fourteen or fifteen year old girlfriend, not so adult perverts can take advantage of young girls."

Musings about 'artistic' value and 'public good' are shaky at best as grounds for banning something. I happen to agree with you, about sex scenes in general, be they in books or movies or porn mags; i.e. that 49/50 times, it's pure catchpenny sensationalism, no matter who the participants and what their age. However, to extend this objection to a legal ban is, um, reactionary. Plain and simple. A very fucking (pardon the pun) slippery slope. I don't want to see it, but I'll defend to the end the rights of someone else to write it.

Yeah, Nabokov conveys the relationship between HH and Lolita thru indirection, for the most part, but he is none too subtle about it; there's never any doubt about what's going on there, and I think a zealous 'right-thinking' individual, equipped with a law like the one we're discussing, could easily stretch it to cover a book like Lolita. Or sections of the Bible. Or great chunks of Greek lit (how old was that donkey in the Golden Ass, anyway?). Is teen sex o.k. if it's sufficiently shrouded in metaphor? Careful what you wish for, AN: you might just get it.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  31
03-01-2004 08:57 PM ET (US)
Rebel Edit

Want to protest the U.S. Treasury Department's decision that works from Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya and Cuba can be published but not edited, under penalty of imprisonment? Why not edit the work of a writer from one of these countries and post it on Rebel Edit?



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Rachel LebowitzPerson was signed in when posted  32
03-05-2004 10:55 AM ET (US)
Wasn't sure if I should post this here or on Peter's essay. Just in response to Anais Ninja's

"I fail to see how graphic depictions (and by depiction I mean an image or verbal description in graphic detail) of minors having sex could be anything but gratuitous. What would be the point? To horrify? To titillate? Even veteran writers of horror, erotica, smut, whatever, know is more effective to leave something to the imagination. I can only see the purpose of graphic depictions of minors being used to satisfy perverted fantasies and the impulses of very sick people."

What about teenagers wanting to read sex scenes involving people their age? What's wrong with that? I'm sure most of us were on the hunt for good sex scenes when we were that age. I know that a lot of us thumbed through Valley of the Horses, where a girl gets deflowered by the older professional deflowerer guy (one more for your list, Peter?). Were we perverted and very sick? Teenagers are sexual beings and they have the right to see that reality reflected in books.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  33
03-22-2004 09:59 PM ET (US)
Ah, Ignorance and Bigotry - Thy Name is the American South

Mother cries when daughter reads a kiddie book called King and King - citing "God made Adam and Eve -- not two men." Bush rubs hands, twists mustache. The South marches on.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  34
03-23-2004 10:08 PM ET (US)
Vancouver Gay Bookstore Battles Canada Customs

The feds are still at it, legislating taste. And things can only get worse if Bill C-12 goes through. Kudos to Little Sister for having the balls to fight. Now send them some money.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  35
03-26-2004 02:48 AM ET (US)
"It was not even the first story that had somebody slicing off someone's nipples."
A student at a San Francisco school is expelled for writing a violent, sadistic story about a serial killer. Then the teacher is fired. And then Homicide is called in. But apparently everything would have been all right if the student had just written his tale of murder and sexual torture in a more aesthetically pleasing manner, such as in The Lovely Bones.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  36
04-05-2004 06:21 PM ET (US)
First They Came for the Serial Killer Authors, Then They Came for Lemony Snicket
The censorship situation we reported on earlier at the SF Academy of Art University got a little worse when Lemony Snicket (Daniel Handler) was denied access to a forum on the subject and booted off campus.
"The forum, set up by Kaufman, was to have included Richman and David Greene of the First Amendment Project. Handler says he'd told academy Senior Vice President Sally Huntting by phone that he wanted to discuss the subject instead of turning the dispute nasty, and was hoping to participate. But when Handler showed up on Tuesday morning, security guards told him he was not authorized to attend."

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  37
04-06-2004 09:43 PM ET (US)
Hey Ma! Creationists in Cobb County All Go "Ahyuk!" at Same Durned Time

Ah, the religious hillbilly right... Don't these people have anything more important than religion? Aren't there cousins to mate with or something?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  38
04-07-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)
Update: US Govt Says Editors Free to Work Without Being Labelled Terrorists... For Now....

Remember that bit about the US govt trying to ban editors from working on manuscripts from certain axis-of-evil-because-we-says-you-are countries? It's been repealed.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  39
04-13-2004 12:42 AM ET (US)
"The Bill of Rights can be read as a classic expression of the teenage spirit: a powerful imagination reacting to a history of overwhelming institutional repression, hypocrisy, chicanery and weakness."

Michael Chabon writes that kids who write violence* are being harassed in the US. "the threat posed by these prosecutions to civil liberties, to the First Amendment rights of our young people, is grave enough. But as a writer, a parent and a former teenager, I see the workings of something more iniquitous: not merely the denial of teenagers' rights in the name of their own protection, but the denial of their humanity in the name of preserving their innocence."



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  40
04-20-2004 10:28 PM ET (US)
This is the Reason Some People In Law Enforcement Get Called Pigs

Wally Lamb, Oprah's pet boy, teaches creative writing to female inmates. When one of his students won a prestigious literary prize prison officials erased all work pertaining to the class -- up to five years of work for some of the women. Um, excuse me, dickwads, but don't they already live behind bars? Isn't punishment enough for your mean spirited power monger asses?



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Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  41
04-20-2004 11:05 PM ET (US)
Since this is the eight straight posting with no reader commentary on this thread (of all threads!), I'd just like to say that I'm shocked and appalled. Well, appalled, anyway. How convenient that a post-facto inquiry is being made. So much easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission, eh?

What was the name of that poet on death row in the states who was featured in the Times a while back? I've been meaning to check out his books.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  42
04-27-2004 08:48 PM ET (US)
American Civil Rights Set Back 20 Years...

For the mathematically challenged, that's all the way back to 1984. This 15-year-old kid had the secret service sicced on him when he called Bush a terrorist in his art class notebook by drawing a picture of Wubblewoo dressed as a devil firing a missile. You people are fucking nuts! Nuts I tell you. Except all my friends in New York City and Seattle. And maybe a few others. And wide swaths of Massachusetts. Just vote that dumb-assed, Nazi mofo out of there already!



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Paul VermeerschPerson was signed in when posted  43
04-28-2004 01:23 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-28-2004 01:24 AM
Oh great, so now the "crown jewel" of the free world is little more than a dictatorial police state where children are grilled by secret police for "doodle" crimes. Tune in next week when G.W. Bush solidifies his plans to make the USA a Christian Fundamentalist Theocracy. When that happens, I'm moving to another planet.
marc  44
04-28-2004 08:34 AM ET (US)
That's right....Bush is a Nazi. Gimme a break. Let us not forget that Saddam was the tyrant in all this. However, the far-left probably would have given Hitler some more time to tinker if it meant not reacting to a situation that could result in some harm as well as good. Your Bush-Nazi barb is an example of why "political commentary" in this day and age is a farce. Please, stick to books.
Oh, and by the way, the left side ain't better. Kerry's notion of separating his religion from his public position is laughable. A Catholic endorsing a pro-abortion rally is a real lie-in-action.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  45
04-28-2004 08:53 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 04-28-2004 08:59 AM
Blah blah blah. How much does it cost to buy in these days? You want bland book news, go read the Quill and Quire. You want fair and balanced political commentary, go watch Fox News. Otherwise, welcome.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  46
04-28-2004 09:23 AM ET (US)
The division of politics into a "left side" and a "right side" and the belief that the Democrats and Republicans actually represent those sides is the chief reason for the slide of "political commentary" (which is little more than a reflection of political reality) into a squabble that 12 year-olds would be ashamed to take part in. But let us not forget that Saddam was the tyrant in all this...
Kathryn KuitenbrouwerPerson was signed in when posted  47
04-28-2004 09:47 AM ET (US)
Isn't a tyrant defined as one who gets into power illegally?

Hmm…
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  48
04-28-2004 10:04 AM ET (US)
Remember the Alamo! Remember the Alamo! Orange Alert! Orange Alert! Guards! Guards!
kevinja  49
04-28-2004 10:06 AM ET (US)
however horrible Saddam was to his own people he posed no threat to his neighbours or the US.

Dictators are bad, maybe even evil if elimination of them is fair game then where do we start? Do we start with North Korea where the government has openly stated that it has nuclear weapons and is not shy about using them?
Occasional Intruder  50
04-28-2004 10:25 AM ET (US)
"A catholic supporting a pro abortion rally is a real lie-in-action" ???

Ummmmm, the world isn't so cut and dry... Take a look at: http://www.cath4choice.org/
Group membership, does not always lead to group homogeneity.
Zach WellsPerson was signed in when posted  51
04-28-2004 10:49 AM ET (US)
Not to mention the fact that there's no such stance as "pro abortion," at least none that I've ever heard of. What do they do at a "pro abortion" rally? Go around with signs saying "Death to the Foetus"; "Get Our Unborn Before They Get You"; "Foeti Are the Root of All Evil"?
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  52
05-11-2004 09:36 PM ET (US)
A Sorry State, We Are

When our writers are receiving grants for artists working under repressive regimes... "Williams, who wrote Invisible Darkness and Karla: A Pact With the Devil about the couple, was charged by Ontario Provincial Police in October 2003 in connection to a website on which he posted information about the case."



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  53
05-14-2004 09:31 PM ET (US)
Nigerian Poet Abducted by Government

For apparently releasing an anti-government album. It goes on, this human ugliness.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  54
05-18-2004 03:11 PM ET (US)
I Can't Believe You Don't Support a War About Freedom -- You're Expelled!
Somebody please tell me this is another fake news story. It just seems too ludicrous to be real.


In March 2003, a teenage girl named Courtney presented one of her poems before an audience at Barnes & Noble bookstore in Albuquerque, then read the poem live on the school's closed-circuit television channel.

A school military liaison and the high school principal accused the girl of being "un-American" because she criticized the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's failure to give substance to its "No child left behind" education policy.

The girl's mother, also a teacher, was ordered by the principal to destroy the child's poetry. The mother refused and may lose her job.

Bill Nevins was suspended for not censoring the poetry of his students. Remember, there is no obscenity to be found in any of the poetry. He was later fired by the principal.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  55
05-28-2004 10:15 PM ET (US)
Patriot Act vs. Free Speech

A Muslim computer nerd who helped run sites purported to support terrorism is being charged under a nebulous section of the Patriot Act regarding "secondary" terrorists.

The Saudi-born Ph.D. candidate set up and ran Web sites that prosecutors say were used to recruit terrorists, raise money and disseminate inflammatory rhetoric.

His supporters say the government is using vague anti-terrorism laws to prosecute Al-Hussayen for his beliefs.

"To the extent that someone provides guns or money to a group for terrorism, that should be punished," said Kevin Bankston, an attorney for the civil liberties group Electronic Frontier Foundation. "But you can't outlaw advocacy for any group or position, and that seems to be what they are attempting to do."

I wonder, are all terrorists somehow linked to Kevin Bacon?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  56
06-26-2004 03:46 PM ET (US)
Remember, a Vote for the Liberals, NDP, Bloc and Anyone Else But the Conservatives Is a Vote for "Artistic Merit" and the "Public Good," I Mean, Child Porn
In the wake of all the election child-porn accusations, the Globe and Mail revisits the Eli Langer case.


What I remember most about that show was a painting dominated by a red-velvet curtain, behind which a diminutive person is trying to hide. The curtain hangs from the ceiling, but is too short to reach the floor or to conceal the skinny little legs shod in a pair of children's black-patent-leather shoes with a strap across the instep. This is a painting depicting a terrified little girl being stalked by a predator, a predator who we sense, as we look on helplessly in horror, is about to pull aside that curtain and grab her. It arouses fear, not rapacious sexual appetites.

"That series was my toughest work," Langer says. Since then, he has moved "into more subtle ways to represent danger, violation and vulnerability." While he doesn't recommend being arrested as a fun activity, he insists the experience didn't muffle his creativity, although it "definitely taught me a different way of understanding language and the implications of language," he says. "It was a learning experience but it didn't chill me.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  57
07-08-2004 10:06 PM ET (US)
Welcome to America, the Year 1984

What a shame. What a crying shame that country is becoming. And now it's making the leap from bully to tyrant.

The Republican-led House bowed to a White House veto threat Thursday and stood by the USA Patriot Act, defeating an effort to block the part of the anti-terrorism law that helps the government investigate people's reading habits.

The effort to defy Bush and bridle the law's powers lost by 210-210, with a majority needed to prevail. The amendment appeared on its way to victory as the roll call's normal 15-minute time limit expired, but Republican leaders kept the vote open for about 20 more minutes as they persuaded about 10 Republicans who initially supported the provision to change their votes.

Note: trawling conservative scumbags looking to pick a fight can save their hate mail. It will go unopened. Your country is falling to pieces - you and your willful ignorance are the reason.



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killer  58
07-09-2004 09:57 AM ET (US)
Hey, remember when we were all young and the cold war was raging... coldly? Remember how the Kremlin would make those hilarious excuses for their evil mysteries and obvious failings? "The former Under-Secretary of the Party is 'not well,' and has been placed in a 'hospital,' etc."

The hilarious part was that these tyrants actually thought an outrageous lie would somehow convince the population they were not living in tyranny.

And, so:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/politics...aign/09records.html
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  59
07-09-2004 12:44 PM ET (US)
For the last time, "artistic merit" doesn't mean we want to see children peforming unspeakable sex acts... adults, yes, children, no.
A big issue in the recent Canadian election was the proposed reworking of the country's child-porn laws. The debate went something like this: "If you're not against a complete ban of all representations of youth in sexual situations, or hey, even non-sexual situations that some reader/viewer could perceive to be sexual, well, then you must support child porn!"


Unfortunately, in both Canada and the U.S., this has been the position taken by many media types as well, who have written angry editorials about judges defending child pornography by refusing to strike down "artistic merit" laws, etc., without looking critically at the issues. Thankfully, the comics media has understood what's really at stake -- freedom of expression.


Their latest cause has been fighting the Child Online Protection Act, which was intended to protect children from viewing online porn by limiting people's ability to post material online that may cause our children to go astray.


Retailers, publishers, and comic art dealers would have faced potential chill on what kind of work they could show on their sites. Could someone selling an original R. Crumb, Reed Waller, or Milo Manara page depicting sex show that page on their website? Would Last Gasp, which presently requires all browsers to state that they're 18 to enter, need to get a credit card from anyone entering their site or risk prosecution? Could Bud Plant face prosecution because he shows samples and covers of adult products on his website?

The answer is that all of the above examples would be vulnerable to the lines drawn by COPA, and we feel that's unconstitutional. The businesses mentioned above are responsible businesses, and shouldn't have their rights to responsibly sell protected speech chilled by this law. Likewise, creators shouldn't need to worry that they could lose their livelihood and freedom if they post a story speaking to adult themes in a responsible fashion.

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07-09-2004 12:50 PM ET (US)
Re /m59, Killer, I am speechless with impotent rage. I trust you've seen this: http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4027&n=3

What a time to be alive!
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07-13-2004 12:16 AM ET (US)
Gay bookstore gets a break

The judge overseeing the 20 year feud between the knuckledragging bigots at Canada Customs and Vancouver's Little Sisters bookshop has granted "advanced costs" to the bookstore.

In her funding decision, Justice Elizabeth Bennett said advanced costs are ordered in "rare and exceptional circumstances."

She said Customs may not be applying the artistic merit test as decided in the obscenity writings case of B.C.'s John Robin Sharpe when detaining books.

This seems to be a good thing. Can someone explain it to me?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  62
07-26-2004 10:10 PM ET (US)
American civil liberties: finally free for all

You know, like Pepsi Free?*

Congress recently voted against repealing a portion of the USA Patriot Act that allows the government to monitor Americans' reading habits. What clinched the vote was information provided by the Justice Department that a suspected terrorist had used e-mail services at a public library.

As terrifying as this idea might be, what's even more terrifying to former Watergate counsel Samuel Dash are the incursions already made on Americans' rights. Indeed, the Patriot Act allows the government to tap phones and search homes without probable cause. Government agents may also sneak into homes of Americans and seize evidence without telling the residents until the search is over.

And guess what, folks: that's not all. Rambling idiot and quite-likely-psycho, Daniel Rakowitz, had titles from his book collection brought into court as evidence of his likelihood to commit harm if released from prison.

Then the prosecutor cited a list of the books in Rakowitz's library as yet more proof that he was a dangerous maniac, crazy as a loon, a man "fascinated with evil" who would surely be dismembering someone else within half an hour of being released.

Undoubtedly, this one IS a nut, but surely this sets an ugly precedent? (Yeah, New York Press is a rag, but it's a scary article, nonetheless.) (From Maud)



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08-10-2004 10:26 PM ET (US)
Code/nut breakers

The meatheads guarding these guys are not...

Serious new allegations about the ill-treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay have been revealed in a series of letters from a British detainee, who has accused US guards of threatening him with sexual assault and physical violence, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

The letters from Martin Mubanga, one of the last remaining British detainees in Guantanamo Bay, were carefully written to escape the military censors, using a unique mixture of London street slang, Cockney, Jamaican patois and rap lyrics.

A sample goes: "The bully boy loves to be the bully boy, chats enough crap and giving it large. Expecting man n' man to bend over so as them there can give to man n' man real good. Boy must be thinking man n' man is some kind of rent boy." Not that I'm anything but glad these kinds of allegations are being made public, but, man, that reads more like a bad A Clockwork Orange rip off than a viable code. Who's doing the censoring here, an 80 year-old hermit?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  64
08-24-2004 01:32 PM ET (US)
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Memepool points to the differences between the Kerry and Bush campaigns when it comes trusting the intelligence of their supporters. The Kerry campaign offers a style guide for supporters writing letters to newspapers. The Bush campaign tells people what to write. Actually, you don't even have to write anything -- you can just click on the text you want. At least they have choices....

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  65
09-19-2004 10:38 PM ET (US)
File under: only in Kentucky

Read ruminations on banned books, then take this quiz and help determine which books should and shouldn't be banned. Yep, you read that right, Cletus. Ah-yhuk! (Someone should ban the colour-blind moron who designs this site... Yeesh!)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  66
09-28-2004 03:31 PM ET (US)
The books people don't want you to know about
Unfortunately, they're mainly "ungodly" books such as the Harry Potter series.


Banned Books Week, sponsored by the American Library Association and the American Booksellers Association, runs through Saturday and shines a light on a growing controversy in America -- what should our young people read, and who should decide?

Christian groups like Colorado-based Focus on the Family stand on what they consider to be high moral ground and believe groups like the American Library Association undermine parental preferences.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  67
09-29-2004 11:38 PM ET (US)
American publishers get the pitchforks and torches out

Well, the legal forks and torches*... Bravo, regardless.

The regulations, meant to keep Americans from trading with enemies, require anyone who publishes material from a country under trade sanctions to obtain a license before substantively altering the manuscript. The publishers say that keeps them from performing typical editing functions like reordering sentences and paragraphs, correcting grammar and adding illustrations or photographs.

The regulations do not forbid publication of existing works from those countries. They allow publishers to print and distribute materials that come to them in camera-ready form, that is, ready to be published without alteration. But they also restrict marketing materials, which the publishers say essentially prohibits publication.

The publishers argue that the regulations do not allow enough room for them to prepare material from foreign authors for the United States market and create a "chilling effect" on them. "For all practical purposes," the suit states, "that means American publishers simply cannot publish their books."

I was just lamenting with some Random House people yesterday that we Canadians, as a literary culture, don't riot nearly often enough. Where are the lawsuits against Head and her plan to slowly kill the book? In my dreams... (Mind you, now that she's killed off the competition, it would be like suing your own heart. When the publishers have only one customer there just ain't much you can do.)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  68
09-30-2004 09:53 PM ET (US)
Texas: land of the free(-roaming idiots)

Please, people. Please. Please please please. Vote sanely.

In its annual review of state schools and libraries, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas this week identifies 62 titles that were removed from school libraries during the 2003-04 school year following objections from parents or teachers. Restrictions were placed on an additional 33 books, including George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, following objections from the parent of a ninth grade student.

The south is only a brain-ghetto now. Soon it will be a model for the country.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  69
10-03-2004 09:48 PM ET (US)
A bomb in every copy: Tong Ting gets a lesson in paranoia Patriotism

A children's author finds herself in the middle of a terrorism investigation.

Her 3,000 copies of "Tong Ting Finds a Family" were confiscated by the U.S. Customs Department in July because she unknowingly used a Chinese shipper that the Bush administration has barred from doing business in the United States. According to a spokeswoman from the U.S. Treasury Department, the company's parent company is suspected of having shipped missile parts to Iraq to be used in the delivery of weapons of mass destruction.

I'm pretty sure that this just means the book never existed in the first place...



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  70
10-03-2004 09:52 PM ET (US)
The Patriot Act

What does it mean for American writers?

In a nutshell, the act gives federal law enforcement agencies (for example, the FBI, Justice Department, U.S. Attorneys) and foreign intelligence surveillance agencies (the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services [USCIS, formerly known as Immigration and Naturalization Service or INS], Secret Service) more tools and greater leeway to spy on citizens (and legal aliens) in national security and criminal investigations. It does so in the following ways (among others):

• Makes it much easier for domestic law enforcement to use tools like roving wiretaps and phone taps
• Lowers the standard needed to convince a court to issue search warrants and subpoenas (probable cause to believe a crime is being committed or planned is no longer needed)
• Greatly expands the scope of third- party records subject to subpoena
• Permits domestic and foreign intelligence agencies to share information gathered about citizens more easily
• Allows individual district courts to issue nationwide search warrants and wiretap orders
• Permits agencies to spy—even to exercise a search warrant without notifying the person being searched
• Expands the type of information subject to surveillance to include e-mail and other online activity
• Forbids citizens subject to surveillance to challenge it in court except after the fact if they are charged with a crime

I've always been amazed at how the simple use of the word "patriot" makes everyone think twice about criticising it. You guys really have to excise that word from your vocabulary. Or at least return it to a station of power and respect by not abusing it so often. (P.S. What I'd like to see around here is an article outlining what the loss of American civil liberties means for us -- the little brother who's always getting the hand-me-downs. As "the land of the free" becomes "the land of the deluded", what happens to us?)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  71
10-09-2004 03:43 PM ET (US)
My question is, who was the bottom?
The Chronicle reports on the rise of censorship in Russia, and a worrisome situation it is. Protesters tearing up books about homosexuality? Good thing that doesn't happen here. They need to adopt some good ol' American values!


The last few years in Russia offer multiple examples of literary censorship on the rise after the "anything goes" spirit of the Yeltsin era. A Russian youth organization allied with Putin, Walking Together, has begun propaganda campaigns against freewheeling and critically acclaimed post-perestroika writers like Victor Pelevin (A Werewolf Problem in Central Russia and Other Stories) and Vladimir Sorokin (Blue Lard). In the case of the postmodern Sorokin, Walking Together protesters publicly tore up copies of Blue Lard (which imagines a homosexual relationship between clones of Stalin and Khrushchev) in downtown Moscow and tossed the remains down a mock toilet bowl. The Moscow prosecutor's office subsequently brought charges against Sorokin of pornography, later dropped, under Article 242 of the Russian Federation Criminal Code.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  72
10-22-2004 05:15 PM ET (US)
All-Mart bans America (the book)
All-Mart has suddenly decided not to carry America (the Book): A Guide to Democracy Inaction</b>, written by Jon Stewart and <i>The Daily Show scribes.


The chain will not be selling the book because it contains a fake photo of the members of the U.S. Supreme Court in the nude. "We were not aware of the image that was in the book [when Wal-Mart ordered it] and we felt the majority of our customers would not be comfortable with it," Wal-Mart spokeswoman Karen Burk told the Associated Press by way of explaining why the corporation had cancelled its order.


Sure... and it had nothing to do with Stewart's recent contentious appearance on Crossfire, where he had it out with Tucker Carlson.

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10-25-2004 11:41 PM ET (US)
A ratings system for books?

Speaking of teens... This highschool kid writes to his local paper suggesting that rather than banning books, we should adopt a ratings system not unlike that used for motion pictures. I'm not so sure you're right, junior, but were I your teacher, you'd be getting a big fat A for effort.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  74
11-01-2004 10:56 PM ET (US)
Just throw the settlement debt on the pile...

Last year's Iranian Nobel Peace Prize winner is suing the US over sanctions that prohibit her from publishing her memoirs in "the Homeland" of Bubba and Berndine Jones.

The Treasury Department declined to comment on Ms. Ebadi's suit, but spokeswoman Molly Millerwise defended the regulations as "part of the different strategies that make up our national-security policies." The U.S. has 29 sanctions programs in place against various countries, terrorist groups and others considered national-security threats, although the restrictions challenged by Ms. Ebadi apply only to Cuba, Iran and Sudan. Ironically, the way the Treasury Department interprets the trade embargo, Ms. Ebadi would have been free to publish a translation of her book in the U.S. had it originally been issued in Iran. The regulations allow publishers to "reproduce, translate, style and copy-edit" existing works from sanctioned countries, according to a department fact sheet. But they prohibit providing "services" to people or entities in embargoed countries, such as the type of editorial, marketing and translation work needed to publish an original book in the U.S. In a March letter to the Treasury Department, Rep. Howard Berman, the California Democrat who wrote legislation excepting information from the embargo, called the policy "patently absurd."

Don't you know that if we let her publish, her books might explode and unleash nukular catsforfree on one nation under god?



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  75
11-10-2004 10:49 PM ET (US)
Hope for America?

That this "article" is appearing in a Texas newspaper gives me hope, though it probably just gives most Texans gas.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  76
11-12-2004 09:27 PM ET (US)
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Hypocrisy knows no bounds

Actually, I'm tempted to say it knows the 49th parallel, but I'd be lying... An Iowa school board has upheld a teacher's right to include two books dealing with gay issues in her middle school curriculum. But check out this:

Seven parents filed complaints last month, saying Protheroe and the district failed to notify them about the stories, which they consider unsuitable for middle-school students. They say the stories promote gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender themes and use bigoted or racist slang.

How can you complain about both of those things, you bigots? (From Moby)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  77
11-16-2004 11:31 PM ET (US)
Ah, the Canadian West... It's the South of the North

A school board meeting meant to discuss the place of specific queer texts in the school library turns into a bashing scene against a lesbian couple attending in support of the books.

"If people had stood up and made those type of comments regarding race, that we were exposed to regarding sexual orientation, it just wouldn't have been allowed."

They're charming folk out there, eh?



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Emiko  79
11-27-2004 09:45 PM ET (US)
Hello. My name is Emiko.

Now, I am writing a resarch paper about censorship of the media in English class.
I have to interview to someone.
If you have time, could you answer some questions?

What do you think about censorship of the media when you take a contrary position on the censorship?

What do you think about freedom of speech?

Why is cfreedom of speech important?

Why sould not be censored the media?

What is the relationship between censorship and freedom of speech?

Could you listen your opinions?
Thank you for reading this mail.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  80
12-01-2004 11:13 PM ET (US)
Into the jaws of the beast I go

Wubblewoo has enabled this and it will be interesting to watch him ignore it as best he can. Rise up, people.

An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.

A bill by Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Cottondale, would prohibit the use of public funds for "the purchase of textbooks or library materials that recognize or promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle." Allen said he filed the bill to protect children from the "homosexual agenda."

"Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday.

Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.

"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.

I guess the positive here is that the more empowered these nutbars become, the more they run the risk of showing their true selves and ending up like Allan Keyes. (I really want to make a-yhuk noises about the inbred slackjaws of the south, but Maud and Michael Schaub have shamed me into silence.)



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ZW  81
12-01-2004 11:59 PM ET (US)
""Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday."

This would have been such a better soundbyte if he'd added, "including from behind."
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  82
12-07-2004 10:54 PM ET (US)
America gets some good TV

Hopefully someone from the US will report into our boards to give us some commentary on this documentary,* "The First Amendment"... As the little-brudah country that receives America's legislative hand-me-downs, the information could come in handy in the next few years.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  83
12-09-2004 04:03 PM ET (US)
"Dig a hole and dump them into it"
More on the Alabama monster leading the charge to "protect marriage" by outlawing homosexual propaganda texts such as Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, The Colour Purple and even Shakespeare. So I guess Annie Proulx's "Brokeback Mountain" about cowboy lovers is probably out too, huh?

Cutting off funds to theatre departments that put on A Chorus Line or Cat on a Hot Tin Roof may look like censorship, and smell like censorship, but "it's not censorship", Allen hastens to explain. "For instance, there's a reason for stop lights. You're driving a vehicle, you see that stop light, and I hope you stop." Who can argue with something as reasonable as stop lights? Of course, if you're gay, this particular traffic light never changes to green.

Unless, perhaps, if you live in Canada.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  84
12-09-2004 11:54 PM ET (US)
Licence to ill

Censors tell publishers to "get a licence" to publish foreign material from countries on the bad side of the Bush junta. PEN and others are going after the regulations with legal challenges.

The regulations seem shaded by Joseph Heller's classic novel "Catch-22."

U.S. publishers are allowed to reissue, for example, Cuban communist propaganda or officially approved books but not original works by writers whom the Cuban government has stifled.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  85
12-17-2004 08:31 AM ET (US)
Holy Shit! Peaceful protest works!

The US backs down from its embargo against foreign authors.



BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  86
12-18-2004 05:57 PM ET (US)
Yes, Virginia, there is a Patriot Act
What exactly does "censorship" mean today?

The definition of censorship has loosened so much that the word has become nearly devoid of meaning. Long gone are the days when the government banned racy books like D. H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover, Henry Miller's Tropic of Cancer or James Joyce's Ulysses. When it comes to the written word, censorship debates are no longer about taste and decency -- although those issues are much in the news concerning the visual arts, television and radio. Instead, the debate over books tends to center on geopolitics, national security and foreign policy.

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MrJT  87
12-25-2004 04:10 PM ET (US)
The purpose of censorship is to "prevent" more than to "ban". Banning is merely a tool. Modern apologists for censorship - and for dissent-prevention tools like the Patriot Act - love to demand concrete examples of how you have been hurt, how you have been punished for the spoken word or written prose.

This angle misses the point. The measure of censorship impact is not how many books have been banned, how many reporters have been canned, how many authors have been blacklisted, or how many artists have been arrested. The true measure is in how many books never got written, how many reports are watered down, how many authors slink into the pablum of historical fiction or pander by delving in non-controversial subject matter.... and most importantly, how many mainstream individuals are isolated from exposure to thought provoking points of view.

In achieving the desired result of censorship, banning is a heavy handed last resort. Banning is a message being sent. It hardly matters whether banning is the product of government edict, corporate activitsts, conservative community groups, or even the response of market forces. The silencing of dissent is the result. And that is the point.

The tragedy of Stalinist censorship was not in the harm perpetrated on dissentors. This was merely a visible symptom of the true illness...the silencing of other voices, the absence of broader dissent, the marginalization of independent thought, the intellectual isolation of the masses.

In 2004, the impact of the Patriot Act, of subtle White House threats, of activist smear campaigns, of challenges to patriotist, of careesr held in the balance, all resonate loudly and widely and instantaneously across a tautly strung web of technology and media.

The "magic" of censorship in 2004 is how it has been accomplished without bonfires to burn books and gulags on which to exile writers.

Make no mistake about the effectiveness of modern censorship. Do not demand photos of inkstained clouds of black smoke or blood smears drawn upon stairscases and concrete sidewalks as the evidence. The lack of physical evidence merely testifies to the insipid effectiveness of the modern program.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  88
01-06-2005 11:25 PM ET (US)
Now, kid, it's up to you to not shame him

Coetzee leads a PEN charge for 15-year-old California poet's rights. (From Conversational Reading)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  89
01-06-2005 11:29 PM ET (US)
A different kind of year end review

The top 25 censored stories of 2004. Some interesting stuff in here. (From Bookslut)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  90
01-10-2005 08:39 AM ET (US)
File under: yeah, right

Mississippi libraries ban Jon Stewart's America because of the "nude depictions of the nine U.S. Supreme Court justices". Ya-huh.



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animal print  91
01-10-2005 12:23 PM ET (US)
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"nude depictions of the nine U.S. Supreme Court justices"...

i'm sorry, but that's a little stomach turning

not saying it should be banned. banning books bad. baaaddd. but "nude depictions of the nine U.S. Supreme Court justices" ... ew
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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  93
01-10-2005 03:30 PM ET (US)
We don't need no education
Salon discusses the battle over anti-evolution textbooks in a U.S. school district. Guess who won.

DOVER, Pa. -- It was an ordinary springtime school board meeting in the bedroom community of Dover, Pa. The high school needed new biology textbooks, and the science department had recommended Kenneth Miller and Joseph Levine's "Biology." "It was a fantastic text," said Carol "Casey" Brown, 57, a self-described Goldwater Republican and the board's senior member. "It just followed our curriculum so beautifully."

But Bill Buckingham, a new board member who'd recently become chair of the curriculum committee, had an objection. "Biology," he said, was "laced with Darwinism." He wanted a book that balanced theories of evolution with Christian creationism, and he was willing to turn his town into a cultural battlefield to get it.

The article also links to the National Center for Science Education, a handy site detailing the struggle to keep the Taliban out of the classrooms.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  94
01-12-2005 12:02 AM ET (US)
Only the ignorant people called them communists...

The Miss. library system has America at its heart once again. Perhaps the shortest book banning of all time. Except for when I told my wife she could no longer haul that 400 pound Georgia O'Keefe book between houses when we moved. That lasted about 10 seconds.



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Bily da Willy  95
01-13-2005 02:14 AM ET (US)
" I like mustard on my French Fried Taters Uhh..Huuhhhhh..." - Billy Bob Thornton (in the film "Sling Blade")...... This is the most ridiculuous thing.......... ever.........Long live the Constitution http://www149.pair.com/marilynn/slingb01.jpg
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01-25-2005 03:01 PM ET (US)
Glad Day gives up the good fight
Eye Weekly reports that Toronto's Glad Day, one of the country's better-known gay and lesbian bookstores, is bowing out of the censorship battle.

For most of Glad Day's more than 30 years in business, they have been fighting either Canada Customs, the police or the OFRB for the right to freely import and sell gay and lesbian books and videos; the fights, like most fights for freedom of expression in this secular but sexually ambivalent society, were fought about porn. The Criminal Code states, for instance, that it is illegal to possess or purvey "any publication a dominant characteristic of which is the undue exploitation of sex." It goes on to single out standard characteristics of S/M material for specific scorn. But, says Kuwabara, the tiny store was finally no match for the essentially unlimited resources of the government.

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01-26-2005 08:35 AM ET (US)
Poland finally joins the 19th century

The Poles are working on their public image by trying a newspaper editor for what amounts to blasphemy.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  98
01-28-2005 08:22 AM ET (US)
Texas... it's always Texas

Thank God and Wubblewoo somebody is thinking of the children! (From Bookslut)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  99
02-01-2005 12:03 AM ET (US)
Just greeeaaat....

And here I was naively holding out hope that once the godforsaken baby boomers died out we'd see an end to this right wing swing. Turns out they've raised themselves an army of idiot descendants. (From Bookslut)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  100
02-01-2005 11:42 PM ET (US)
In the beginning, there was idiocy and God saw that it was good

Evolution*: education's new red-headed stepchild.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  101
02-03-2005 11:32 PM ET (US)
Parents invited by principal to burn banned books from school library

Yep. Ah-yhuk!

Recently a book that was being used as part of an English assignment was confiscated from freshmen at Norwood High School due to references of paganism and an alleged magnitude of profanity.
Here in Norwood, a small group of parents sent letters to Superintendent Bob Conder, expressing their concern over, Bless Me, Ultima, a book being used in the classroom as a literature book. Conder said the books, about 2 dozen in total costing $6.99 each, were pulled from the classroom, and designated to be destroyed. The parents approached the superintendent and asked that they be able to burn the books instead of the school janitor destroying them.

Conder granted them their request, as he has the right to dispose of them. Conder informed the School Board in a letter after the fact. He further stated, “I can’t dictate morality, but my job is to protect the kids. The books should have never been purchased, and were not properly disclosed for approval.”

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The Bottom Line  102
02-04-2005 06:34 AM ET (US)
“I would not feel comfortable with those books possibly falling into another child’s hands, and the return would not be more than 50 cents to a dollar a piece”.

Better you should have the children witness religious fanaticism; you wouldn't want your kids to find out about pagan rituals or anything weird like that.

Have a bonfire, don silly hats, speak righteously, denounce all forms of thought not your own. Children need to be proetected, for God's sake.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  103
02-05-2005 10:50 PM ET (US)
What amazes me is how carefully the writer had to tread around the topic.

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animal print  104
02-06-2005 04:59 AM ET (US)
it amazes me that this crap is increasingly tolerated. the principal should lose his job demonstrating those fascist ethics to kids
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02-10-2005 10:21 PM ET (US)
Kansas thinks all we are is dust in the wind

More evolution warning stickers.

Atty. Gen. Phill Kline said he favored putting stickers on textbooks similar to what was done in Georgia, and he suggested the idea to conservative members of the State Board of Education. Conservatives now have a 6-4 majority on the board.

Hey, at least it's not Texas. In fact, I haven't ragged on Texas in a bit. Are you guys laying low or improving?



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02-18-2005 08:18 AM ET (US)
Arkansas: next to go

Arkansas defeats anti-gay book bill. Well, technically. It was more of a tie than a defeat. How creepy is that? (From Moby)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  107
02-18-2005 08:19 AM ET (US)
It's like stumbling onto a meeting conducted in white hoods

In the words of Bookslut Michael Schaub: "Meet the enemy".



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killer  108
02-18-2005 12:59 PM ET (US)
Oh, darling -- I love this:

check out their page of bad word lists from books on the curriculum:

http://www.classkc.org/badwords.php

There's a couple of found poems in there:

Slaughterhouse Five

Vonnegut --
motherfucker, fucked, fucking,
fuck, fucking, God-damned, Jesus,
Jesus Christ, cocksucker, shit,
piss, balls, pecker, whore,
bastard,
son of a bitch, hard-on,
hell,
damn


Catcher in the Rye

Salinger --
hell 249 times, goddam 186,
damn 113, faggy 1, ass
26, butt 2, bull 6, bitch 2,
bastard 60, Chrissake 25, God
(in vain)
32, Sonovabitch
15, Jesus Christ
(in vain) 6,
whore 5, fuck 6
Bibliovixen  109
02-18-2005 02:12 PM ET (US)
"...more books that contain an excessive use of profanity including many variations of the f-word..."
Oh! Oh! I know! Let's substitute all naughty words with numbers, like George Carlin suggested back in the '70s!

Ass.fucking.monkeys.
Art Norris  110
02-20-2005 06:37 PM ET (US)
So the Kansas City Classics (yikes) folks approve of "The Three Musketeers". Yeah, I agree; it's a lot of fun. The protagonist has an affair with a married woman, then seduces another woman, a maid, to get access to the bed of yet another woman. His mentors include a depressed drunk, a vain dolt and duplicitous seminarian.
All for one and one for all.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  111
02-20-2005 09:59 PM ET (US)
Don't you guys get it?

You pick on my Little Sister, you pick on me.

In a decision released Friday, Justice Allan Thackray of the B.C. Court of Appeal reversed a July 2004 ruling that would have given Little Sisters Book and Art Emporium an unspecified sum to wage its book battle against the government agency. Little Sisters argued it couldn't afford another court fight with Customs, which has seized several books at the United States border since 1985.

I regularly get (non-pornographic) books sent to me from the US, and I can attest to the overzealousness of customs. Book packages from anywhere other than Amazon arrive at my house opened (only sometimes resealed) and quite often leafed through, bent, or otherwise molested. Note to bored customs dudes: once you've seen there are no drugs or bomb parts in it, WTF? Get your own books. (Aren't you reading Dean Koontz anyway?)

On the other hand, crossing the border quite consistently, as I have been the last five years, I know Canada customs officers to be a few latex gloves short of invasive, at least compared to their American counterparts.

But, regardless, Deva is right: these frontline workers should have no authority to make snap judgments on reading materials at the border -- not without more definite guidelines and some fucking sensitivity training (preferably involving ropes and meatmen.)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  112
02-23-2005 10:38 PM ET (US)
I am so getting ready to hit Canada Customs with a saucy middle-finger emoticon

More on Little Sister's losing battle.

Little Sisters' current challenge is actually the second time the bookstore has targeted Customs. The first case concluded in 2000, when the Supreme Court flayed Customs for following arbitrary and inconsistent seizure policies. However, instead of striking down the agency's power to seize and censor, the court ordered Customs to clean up its act.

Mr. Arvay said that since then, Customs has done "almost nothing" to address the shortcomings cited by the Supreme Court, and more than 5,000 titles of "expressive material" are seized each year.



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  113
03-06-2005 11:26 PM ET (US)
"If we know what artists are going to do, they can achieve little or nothing."

Is art being killed because the internet is faster?

The only way to achieve "decency" without "censorship" is if artists make their own choices. Tell them what to do -- or, worse yet, tell them what they are going to do before they do it -- and you have censorship, pure and simple. It may well be desirable censorship from some people's point of view, but politicians such as Stevens should at least call it by its proper name.

Free, empowered artists make their own agendas. And in so doing, they don't necessarily undermine the cultural fabric of society.



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RCS  114
03-07-2005 09:53 AM ET (US)
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"If we know what artists are going to do, they can achieve little or nothing."

That entire article reminds of a great Gravity's Rainbow line --

"Once the technical means of control have reached a certain size, a certain degree of being connected to one another, the chances for freedom are over for good."
G.G.Giller  115
03-07-2005 03:24 PM ET (US)
Censorship has made the career of many a mediocre artist. You can fight with it, but just hope it doesn’t go away…you may need it one day. Besides, when just about everybody sees himself or herself as an artist in one capacity or another, I think art should not only be censored but discontinued indefinitely for its own preservation. Where artists are concerned, a serious cull of the herd is long overdue. This may go along way in resolving the censorship issue also. There is a censorship issue, right?
animal print  116
03-07-2005 07:44 PM ET (US)
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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  117
03-27-2005 11:39 PM ET (US)
Here's how the banning of ideas works

School boards that buy text books in large blocks control the content of those books, as evidenced by the conservative school boards in Texas. This means things like abstinence-only sex ed books...

Texas is one of 21 states that use a statewide textbook adoption process, thereby wielding the power to rewrite textbooks to meet their priorities. “When you create a new edition,” says Steve Driesler, president of the American Association of Publishers’ Schools Division, “you’re talking about tens of millions of dollars of investment, and obviously the publisher wants to recoup that as soon as possible.” Driesler notes that a big state adoption enables a publisher to recoup its investment within a year. So most publishers hold off on writing new editions until that particular subject comes up on the adoption calendar of the largest state-adoption states.

California’s market size outstrips that of Texas, yet Texas has become far more powerful. Most state-adoption states are in the South, a result of banding together after the Civil War to pressure educational publishers to supply them with pro-Confederate history textbooks. Officials in these states treat Texas as the lead steer, often adopting and purchasing the same textbooks that have been adopted and purchased in Texas. Also, California adopts locally at the high school level, leaving Texas as the only big player in that market.

Guess what's next? Evolution disappears from science texts. (From BoingBoing)



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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  118
04-29-2005 09:14 AM ET (US)
Steve Jobs: iKnob

Apple, as part of their new campaign to compete with Microsoft, continue to be major dickheads. I wish someone would ban my book. It's trash, I tell you! Think of the children! The only honourable thing to do here is to ban my book and make me a millionaire.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  119
05-13-2005 06:58 AM ET (US)
The American government: keeping on truckin

The emboldened right in America is scary, sure, but what's more scary to me is the numbed left. The shock and awe of the last five years has left them catatonic, it seems, so things like this seem insignificant by comparison and pass without the howling shitstorm of controversy that should be stirred up.

What if Congress resurrected one of the most ill-conceived laws of the McCarthy era and nobody noticed? In 1952, the House and Senate passed the McCarran-Walter Act, which created an ideological litmus test for entry to the United States by barring foreigners with disfavored ideas or affiliations. The law denied admission to communists and anarchists, among others. For four decades, it was invoked to keep out hundreds of people, including writers (Carlos Fuentes, Gabriel García Márquez), scholars (Belgian economist Ernst Mandel), politicians (Ireland's Gerry Adams, Nicaragua's Tomas Borge), and even a former NATO general (Italy's Nino Pasti). Congress repealed the McCarran-Walter Act in 1990 with great fanfare about eliminating thought-control at the border.

But an attachment to a bill that supplements funds for Iraq, passed by Congress and now on the president's desk, would allow the United States once again to keep out and to deport foreign nationals not for their conduct, but for their politics—their ideas, their speech, and the groups with which they associate.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  120
05-17-2005 10:33 AM ET (US)
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This reeks

Newsweek retracts its story about the Koran being desecrated at Guantanamo Bay. It's a good thing we in the West don't have to worry about things like censorship and state controlled media. Ahh, democracy. Ahh, freedom.

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killer  121
05-18-2005 12:04 PM ET (US)
I heard a NW editor on As it Happens last night, and the interviewer said something like -- "so you retracted it because you can't prove the government's strong (though oddly late in coming) denial is somehow false, NOT because you no longer believe this happened?"

He responded, "Those are your words, not mine."

Life in America. Increasingly like life in Czechoslovakia circa 1969.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  122
05-18-2005 01:22 PM ET (US)
I blame it all on Belinda Stronach.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  123
05-18-2005 02:36 PM ET (US)
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What are you talking aobut George? Belinda Stonach (also affectionately known as B.S.) is the Mother Theresa of the Gomery Inquiry and therefore above reproach.

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Twinkle TwinklePerson was signed in when posted  124
05-18-2005 02:46 PM ET (US)
Hmm. I'm B.S as well. A poor version.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  125
05-18-2005 03:28 PM ET (US)
P.B.S.?

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  126
05-26-2005 07:19 AM ET (US)
My work here is done...

They are making fun of themselves now. I am obsolete. And happily so. On to sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows. The Patriot Act as farce:

Let's face it, the library records are just not that interesting. I spend half my days finding audio books of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code and digging through 50 copies of Michael Crichton's new "environmental thriller" for one decent book. The only reason to look at what the average American is reading (if they are reading at all) is to make fun of them. At the time of this writing, there is one "literary" title in the top 10 of the New York Times Fiction List, and two of the top five books have two authors credited. I'm sorry, but transcendent prose is not made by two guys rapping about "zinger" plotlines over Fabulous Fruit-Filled Pancakes (only $5.99!) at Denny's in Sarasota. In light of the country's reading habits, I'm not overly concerned about White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales peeking in.

Um... okay. Let's take it as a humour piece, no? (From Moby)


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05-29-2005 10:21 PM ET (US)
Turkey looks to join European Union...

But was hoping to make a few last shitfaced fascist moves first. A 17-year-o;d boy is detained for questioning after reading Nazim Hikmet, a poet whose work was famously banned in Turkey way back when. Way to join the world, Turkey.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  128
06-02-2005 07:22 AM ET (US)
Love you forever

I would like to think having your face splashed across a page in the NYT might give you pause for reflection and shame, but it's likely this lady is rather pleased to be thought of as the book banning mum. What a sad state of affairs when parents cling to restrictive power over their children's intellectual lives right at the point when a little freedom to experiment might make them a better person and give them the tools to make decisions for themselves later on (rather than following the crowd, ie, middle America -- see background of photo). (It reminds me of that inordinately creepy kids book that some people seem think cute: Love You Forever. That mother is a psychopath! That boy has to be Norman Bates. Ew ew ew ew ew.)


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  129
06-02-2005 10:31 AM ET (US)
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Another control freak

A Christian mom in Fayetteville, Arkansas, has succeeded in getting the city's school board to remove three books endorsing offensive sexual practices and pornography from the district's elementary and middle school libraries.

Christian mom? What does that make me, a heathen mom? I was expecting the books in question to be really steamy but it turns out two of them are about the best sex ed books around for children. Fayetteville can ban them but I highly recommend It's Perfectly Normal and It's so Amazing. They might not be for Christian moms, though, just NORMAL ones.

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06-02-2005 12:45 PM ET (US)
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper
GGAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHH  131
06-02-2005 01:00 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 06-02-2005 01:00 PM
Did you check out the name of the website and its slogan?

Agape Press? Reliable news from a Christian source?

Reliable? Give me a break?

Why is it that more and more, as these stories come up in the USA, does the word "Christian" become increasingly synonymous with "Uptight, ignorant douchebag"?
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  132
06-02-2005 03:26 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 06-02-2005 03:56 PM
I think judging from the number of censorships in local schools that I've been reading about, that this is probably pretty reliable. It's happening most definitely and most unfortunately. It is a pity that the word 'Christian' has taken on less than flattering connotations, though, I wouldn't have put it quite so, uhm, elegantly. To me, this article, and its story are synonymous with the sort of zealotry happening in almost every religion around the world these days. So, it isn't Christianity, per se, that freaks me out but the way that religion in general is being held up as the moral right. Whatever happened to the rational mind? I also find it worrisome that we as a society seem to condone violence while having a simultaneous fear of our bodies. Movies are rated R not for explicit violence generally but for explicit sexuality. I find this very disturbing. K
Jerry Ritcey  133
06-03-2005 11:09 PM ET (US)
I think book banning is working quite well. Hardly any teens are having sex anymore, right?
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  134
06-24-2005 10:04 AM ET (US)
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I come before you to stand behind you

Where do you stand on civil liberty? Is it a joke to even think one has privacy?

New polls show that a clear majority supports the Patriot Act. Meanwhile, the number of Americans staying up nights worrying about their vulnerable library records does not appear to be spiraling out of control. The public is willing to sacrifice some privacy to beat terrorism. If you disagree and expect to be taken seriously as a privacy champion, go after the IRS. To prove you are on the level, attack the hard targets, not the easy ones. And let the FBI get back to business.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  135
07-25-2005 10:11 AM ET (US)
Faulkner censored

In perhaps related news: the Faulkner write-alike contest Pete noted over the weekend, was won by a parody of the Bush junta. Now the in-flight magazine that agreed to print it won't. It's a lovely morning, isn't it?


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  136
07-28-2005 09:48 AM ET (US)
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Bully

Too bad they didn't have a community builders program in place when Bush went to school. It appears that Washington is trying to suppress a book about Osama bin Laden's escape from Tora Bora. I've read various accounts of what happened, the most hilarious and therefore plausible is the one in which US 'intelligence' is tracking bin Laden on a cell phone, even though he has handed it to a right hand man and walked out of Tora Bora. Here's the Guardian's 2002 account, though this one is good too. Refugee Afghan women and children have documented the Tora Bora escapade in hundreds of garish/beautiful war rugs, an article about which I wrote and you can read here.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  137
08-23-2005 06:45 AM ET (US)
Explained!

The censorship debate made pertinent to everyday life. Increasingly, this is the kind of pressure I live under. Perhaps, as a long time fan of the strip, I am unconsciously raising my son to be Calvin-like.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  138
08-29-2005 09:16 AM ET (US)
Patriot Act flexes muscles

By demanding library records for an "intelligence" investigation. A first, and a disturbing development. Librarians, go here to get some "legal" signs for your library. And watch what you say. Big Brother is on the case. (From Bookslut)


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  139
09-02-2005 06:51 AM ET (US)
Turkey charges Pamuk with "public denigrating of Turkish identity"

Frightening. And they think of themselves as part of the EU. If you could get charged with this sort of thing here, I would so be rotting in jail right now.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  140
09-05-2005 11:05 PM ET (US)
Good morning!

I think I'll make the start of the work week "good news day". So here we go: 2004's 20% rise in the number of books targeted for removal from library shelves is either an indicator of moral decay or an emboldened censorship movement from America's right, depending on how you look at it. Shit. I fucked that one up totally.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  141
09-23-2005 11:11 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-23-2005 11:12 AM
Taslima Nasreen wins court case

The Calcutta High Court has lifted a ban on Nasreen's novel Shame.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  142
09-26-2005 11:04 AM ET (US)
200,000 petitions

Challenging the Patriot Act, one signature at a time.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  143
09-27-2005 11:54 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 09-27-2005 11:55 AM
Kirkus reviews of censored and challenged books

The Book Standard has compiled reviews before the fact of the books America loves to hate. Books they'd hate if they could read well enough to have read them. Books they've heard might influence young minds and make them consider things like equality, normal sexual behaviour and joy. I see no cookbooks on this list. Where are all the banned cookbooks? Where are the banned exercise books? Where are the banned pop psychology books?

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  144
10-02-2005 10:10 PM ET (US)
For me it was Salem's Lot ... I still can't sleep

Okay, I'm late for banned books week, but I was sick last week -- kind of a banned-from-society thing. So here is an interesting piece on authors revealing their early experiences with books they probably shouldn't have been experiencing so early. (Much like George Saunders' experience, my moment ended poorly, and humiliatingly, when my dumb-assed family thought it would be a good idea to creep outside and knock on my window in the pitch black...)


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  145
10-14-2005 02:17 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 10-14-2005 02:18 PM
Cuba: A nice place to visit but

You think the US likes burning books? Well, they do. But Castro likes the smell of pulp burning, too. Funny thing, how ideologies are so damn scared of words on paper.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  146
10-20-2005 01:24 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 10-20-2005 01:24 PM
Pamuk backpedals

Orhan Pamuk is in hot water for using his words. He should move to Canada; we use our words here.

Pamuk could face up to three years in prison for reportedly telling a Swiss newspaper that "30,000 Kurds and 1 million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". But on Saturday night, he went on CNN-Turk television to say: "I did not say, we Turks killed this many Armenians. I did not use the word 'genocide'."

Genocide. Genocide. Genocide. See? Nothing happens.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  147
10-25-2005 10:26 AM ET (US)
Fa-Q, W

Turkey fines 20 people for using Q and W, letters not in the Turkish alphabet. It's the kind of place that just makes the sun shine, that Turkey.


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Jacque Cartier  148
10-25-2005 11:42 AM ET (US)
Sounds like Quebec.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  149
11-01-2005 10:26 AM ET (US)
Maud on the patriot act

Maud updates us on some changes to the Patriot Act. Without trying to too alarmist, remember that we in Canada quite often inherit US policy.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  150
11-08-2005 01:11 PM ET (US)
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Finally, the voice of reason

Moms in Frago are up in arms about a book they want to have removed from the curriculum. No, it isn't a depiction of same-sex marriage. No, it isn't swearing. It's just that it's kinda bloody and rather badly written. How the heck a Grisham book got on a literature course is beyond me.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  151
11-10-2005 09:33 AM ET (US)
Hitler poem causes controversy

Who'd have thought? Well, this one, written from Hitler's perspective, was written by a 14-year-old and included in a UK school kids anthology. So a few people are angry. This is an important chance to teach kids about the power of art, history, and voice. What will the lesson be?


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  152
11-19-2005 06:32 PM ET (US)
You're either with us or against us
Philip Pullman, Monica Ali, Philip Hensher and Salman Rushdie discuss proposed legislation "to curb religious hatred" and its possible threat to free speech.

The Enlightenment, in Europe, represented an escape from the power of religion to place limiting points on thought; in America, it represented an escape into the religious freedom of the New World - a move towards faith rather than away from it. Many Europeans now view the American combination of religion and nationalism as frightening.

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freespeaker  153
12-05-2005 09:22 PM ET (US)
I find it ironic that Phillip Pullman talks of free speech while trying to discredit and curb the writings of his superiors such as C.S. Lewis. The hatred comes from those who wish to "curb religious hatred," not from those practicing religion.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  154
12-14-2005 11:17 AM ET (US)
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Göknar on Pamuk

Pamuk's trial for allegedly blaspheming Turkishness is set for Friday. His English translator considers the outcome of the trial to be a 'harbinger for relations between the West and Muslim nations.' This worries me. It seems to me this is only so if the outcome is negative for Pamuk. A positive verdict will ostracize Turkey from certain other Muslim nations and potentially fuel the fire, no?

“Responses from within the E.U. during the trial will be symbolic, too,” Göknar said. “Politicians in E.U. countries could let Turkey work out its political freedoms or they could try to stir up resentment against Turkish immigrants in their countries and fuel  jingoism.”

Pamuk's got a roster of elite literary superstars behind him now, too. I hope this helps because things sure look ugly.

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RTW  155
12-14-2005 12:38 PM ET (US)
So, Turkey wants to cover up their historical atrocities by limiting the free speech of its citizens. How medieval. How totalitarian.

Dear Turkey,

Please remove your 12th century head from your 12th century ass.

That is all.
BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  156
12-15-2005 12:05 PM ET (US)
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Pamuk on Pamuk

In a comment piece in the New Yorker, Pamuk lands right where you'd expect a novelist to land – right in the space between one and the other, simply observing.

As tomorrow’s novelists prepare to narrate the private lives of the new élites, they are no doubt expecting the West to criticize the limits that their states place on freedom of expression. But these days the lies about the war in Iraq and the reports of secret C.I.A. prisons have so damaged the West’s credibility in Turkey and in other nations that it is more and more difficult for people like me to make the case for true Western democracy in my part of the world.

If people are over-dramatising his case, which, after Goknar's views earlier might lead one to believe, it is not for want of compassion. It may be that it looks like an East-West symbolic trial, even though the defendent sees himself neither here nor there; it's a schoolyard dictum 'two wrongs don't make a right,' isn't it? Maybe, there isn't anything to do but stand by and witness. Now I'm going to curl up in bed and weep all day.

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  157
12-16-2005 10:19 AM ET (US)
The year in menaces to free speech

Now this is the kind of end-of-year round-up we need. How about one dedicated to the top 10 political decisions that didn't cause a violent uprising? How would you choose?


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  158
12-19-2005 10:43 AM ET (US)
All that learnin' is gonna get him inta some hat wah-tah...

A UMass student who requested Mao's Little Red Book through an inter-library loan gets a visit from Homeland Security. You know, my Yanky brethren, they'll be making movies about this time in 50 years and shaking their heads that nobody did anything sooner... (From Boing Boing)


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  159
12-20-2005 10:49 AM ET (US)
HLS story true?

Was the story we linked to yesterday about a student being visited by Homeland Security agents over the borrowing of a book by Mao completely true? The reporter says so, but some blogger-types beg to differ. The realist in me says, what is truth? The conspiracy theorist in me says, smear job by HLS! Black Ops! Black Ops! Bork! Bork! Bork!


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  160
12-22-2005 10:39 AM ET (US)
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Would you like some Greece on your Turkey?

Turkey has charged a publisher with insulting Turkishness. Apparently, the writer of the book, who is Greek and therefore unchargeable, suggested parts of Turkey were dirty. Who thinks up this stuff?

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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  161
01-03-2006 09:54 AM ET (US)
Turkey: trying to climb out of the ethical gutter

Progress is progress. Be happy to see something happening.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  162
01-09-2006 10:00 AM ET (US)
It's official: the CIA doesn't like books

Especially ones about the CIA.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  163
01-23-2006 09:17 AM ET (US)
Turkish government set to be more progressive than Canadian

Pamuk's out of hot water. Turkey enters the 20th C.


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  164
01-25-2006 09:21 AM ET (US)
America's future not completely in jeopardy

US law students (!) lead a very simple, very effective protest against the decline of American civil liberties. Bravo. (Lawyers are so cute when they still care.) (From BoingBoing)


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BookninjaPerson was signed in when posted  165
01-27-2006 02:12 PM ET (US)
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Comedy Central

Maybe, in general, we have to see America ironically. In fact, maybe we should refer to America as "America". A high school student is not allowed to return to his school because he, wait for it, made fun of some of the teachers. I ask, perhaps naively, isn't this the entire point of high school? It certainly was for me.

"Carroll (The Book)," a 14-page publication, was modeled after comedian Jon Stewart's book "America (The Book)." The boy's version includes diagrams, profanity, photos and a picture of school Principal Deb Neumeyer on the cover.

I can just see the administration spluttering, 'Insubordination. This boy needs reprimanding. This could lead to terrorist activities later in life or worse. He could put an eye out.'

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04-12-2006 11:52 PM ET (US)
This link is to sign the petition for the chef gate to Comedy Central and Viacom. feel free the gain the facts elsewhere. happy signing.

http://www.petitiononline.com/chefgate/petition.html
 
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Turk from Canada  174
04-29-2007 08:54 PM ET (US)
I really wish that all Turks would take the time to educate themselves on Turkish history. This would allow them to want to make a change to their religious beliefs and consider converting back to the Christian faith as Turkey was originally. I have been to that country a few times, its amazing and breath taking. Great people, who do not need to fall into the Muslim world as to which they all have been doing. I always hoped one day that an individual from a different religion became part of the government. Maybe one day! I'm proud to have a Turkish background but I'm also glad I choose the Christian faith. God Bless
Cristian_yw  175
06-14-2007 01:12 PM ET (US)
Ahlan!
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Lee_nz  176
06-14-2007 01:12 PM ET (US)

And some more..
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Edward_yv  177
06-14-2007 01:12 PM ET (US)

At last...
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Frank_wl  178
06-17-2007 05:27 PM ET (US)
Merhaba!
Check this out!
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Racially intolerant white canadian cops and security and their henchmen claim to be despots; following parasitically in the footsteps of their american counterparts, and wilfully engage in their racial profiling of non-whites, in racial harassment of non-whites, and in racially dehumanizing attempts to racially harass non-whites through intimidating physically, mentally, and spiritually; portraying their racial hatred of non-whites through causing wilfull and dehumanizing disturbance to non-whites through using illegal wall-see-through technologies and audio-bugs on non-whites' homes; through listening and watching through the walls of non-whites' rented and owned homes, and through their internet and private telephones. The perpetuators of these evil deeds do this from their cars using illegal equipment slyly given to them by the unworthy cops, and then
accelerating their cars loudly and intimidatingly near non-whites' homes and driving intimidatingly in presence of non-whites on streets, making threatening u-turns, driving intimidatingly right up and over sidewalks when a non-white is on the sidewalk, and throwing their ugly bullying weight around, in their shameless acts of cowardice. It is all done slyly, supposedly smartly, however, they cannot fool all the people all the time. The cops also participate themselves to wail their sirens abusively everytime non-whites move and talk inside their rented and owned homes in daily routine living, in addition to having their henchmen, and often, using their non-white gutless henchmen in cars, transport, shopping centers, neighborhoods, etc, to commit these ugly harassing racially profiling
deeds at all times day and night. Using non-whites to engage in racial harassment of other non-whites is an obnoxiously evil sinister humanely disgraceful intelligent move of the whites well-known for their ugly divide and rule tactics through their non-white henchmen.

It's a shameful disgrace when the so called protectors of law turn into abusers of law themselves and throw the weight of their uniforms and law around as cowards. So, they and their henchmen, appear to be very law respecting on the outside; however, they network cowardly to commit sly acts of provocation to non-whites all the time, which is supposed to
be legally acceptable. Is watching through walls of non-whites homes, bugging their homes, working in networking syndicates against them, committing human rights and privacy violations against them, supposedly lawful for the whites? Who makes those laws that favor
only the whites? The law itself has racism in its clauses. The ugly inner dirt of the perpetuators of these evil deeds of racism do not deserve to step into religious institutions for their ugly deeds - such as, if you ain't white, you ain't right? Oh! Really? Nicely dressed, beautiful people, magnificient concrete jungles, clean roads and lawns, sweet polite talkers on the outside, full of ugly stench in their souls, that is the
cause of these racist policies that are outrightly biased against non-whites. What a shame!

Most of these ugly acts of dehumanizing racial profiling depict the cowardice of the doers of these deeds in the real sense, and are done at the behind the scenes insistence of the racially intolerant white cops through their frontline stooges. However, without physical evidence, the white cops, security, societies, and their henchmen are laughing sinisterly
at their heinous deeds and the legal system seems to support this evil through its inability to take action without physical evidence. Their racial profiling penetrates public transport systems, shops and stores to do all they can to make the non-whites feel unwelcome in their dehumanizing acts of racial profiling against non-whites and those who don't conform to their nonsense. The white cops, security, and white communities use their
henchmen who do just as they are told and from behind the safety cushion of their oil-guzzling, pollution creating, often dark-glassed vehicles to intimidate and harass non-whites in obnoxious racial profiling that reflects the immoral, despotic, and cowardly behaviour of racially intolerant white cops, security, communities and their dumb henchmen
who do just as they are told, fuelled as they are in their racial frenzy, thanks to the racially manipulative corporate controlled media.

For more information, visit:

http://www.yourluckytoday.blogspot.com

Volunteers are welcome to circulate this information to all they know to put an end to this abuse and violations of human rights committed by immorally misbehaved white cops, security, white communities, public transports, shops, stores, etc, and their dumb henchmen who do just as they are told in their racial frenzy.

Save this information on your computers before any cowards remove it from the websites.

Racism is immoral and dehumanizing behaviour that reflects the "incapable to perform humanely" quality of those who are racist and are being watched from God's court above in ways they cannot be expected to be capable to perceive yet.

It's a shame when obnoxious stench of racism comes from people in so called rich countries. It's even more of a shame when words are twisted by media to influence young minds with lies. It's even more of a shame when so called authorities perpetuate racism and behave racistly and enforce racist policies and behaviour through intimidating means amidst outer sweet and polite talks. Racism seems to be prominent among so called white people in rich countries who cannot bear non-whites from other countries of origin. Planet Earth belongs to people of Earth. Highly educated people of high intellectual calibres, rich bosses and CEOs, etc, of rich countries are a blotch on humanity and their material levels when they
haven't yet evolved to basic human concepts of all humans have red blood irrespective of race.

Racism stems from social attitudes that are perpetuated by racist societies, the media, the authoritarians, and the peers. It's time to say, shame on all those who perpetuate racism and racist attitudes.

Thank you.
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TEMPEST VAN ECK PHREAKING AND SEE-THROUGH-WALL DEVICES AND TECHNOLOGIES:
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ddddddddd  207
06-09-2008 05:53 AM ET (US)
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mp4 player  213
06-30-2008 02:04 AM ET (US)
China MP4 Player - Wholesale MP4 Players from China
 

 
MP4 Player is the best tool for Movie and music lovers nowadays,as it has caught up with the release of countless devices that can easily store up to 20,000 songs and 100 hours of video since the advent of converting normally large audio and video files into smaller file sizes without sacrificing the quality of the sound or the image.How wonderful it is! Sourcinggate.com has listed various MP4 Players in detail,sorted by different memory cards(sorted by 512MB/1GB/ 2GB/4GB/8GB) to meet different customers' needs and requirements,so let us keep close eyes on the MP4 Digital Player product categories for the latest portable video player items together.

Differences between MP3 Players and MP4 Players
Memory:Seemingly,the memory volume of MP4 Player is much bigger than that of MP3 Player,as each file of MP4 Player is even bigger than that of MP3 Player.You know,MP3 Player only can store MP3 format music and TXT format file,but MP4 Player not only can store those documents MP3 Player can,but also includes AVI/ASF/FLV and other video format files.
Price:apparently,the price of MP4 Player is nearly double than that of MP3 Player,which follows the principle"Advanced Function,More Expensive,More Enjoyable".
In one word,MP4 Player has involved those functions MP3 Player has,but not oppositely.

When refer to "Made-in-China"products,many friends always think it is very good and very cheap at first.Exactly,that is the main reason why more and more businessmen import products from China directly,MP4 Player is among of them.The era of MP3 Player has gone away gradually,MP4 Player has got a comparatively innovation,so MP4 Player is to be more desirable.Sourcinggate.com boasts its good MP4 Player's quality,owing to all products are from factory direct,so you even buy sample at wholesale price,the only thing you should do is to be one registered member of Sourcinggate.com for free and enjoy more boon.Okay,let us surf on SourcingGate.com instantly.
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China cell phone  214
06-30-2008 02:05 AM ET (US)
Cell phone or mobile phone brings the world with more high efficiences and easy conveniences than old times which is lack of cell phones.When refer cell phones,you will always respond China mobile phones promptly,why? Because its good quality(We can boast,cell phones marked "Made-In-China" are NOT inferior to those of so-called world famous) and reasonable prices(Owing to omitting expensive advertisement,they can feedback consumers more profits).
Sourcinggate.com is one of the famous and leading China cell phones distributors all over the world. We have provided tens of thousand customers from various countries and regions with nearly all kinds of mobile phones,nearly 95% of them are very satisfied with our reliable products quality(Our QC checker will test each cell phone carefully before sending out),fast deliveries(All cell phones will be delivered via Express way),resonable prices and professional pre-sales and after-sales services. Every customer can pay via Paypal account which is deemed to the most secure payment to buyer,WesternUnion and bank T/T.The most importantly, all cell phones are UNLOCKED and will enjoy one year warranty period.No matter you are retailer,final consumer or dropshipping broker,please start your happy Sourcinggate.com journey instantly.
http://www.sourcinggate.com/Cell-Phone/c4/index.html
watch phone  215
06-30-2008 02:06 AM ET (US)
Cell Phone Watch=Cell Phone+Watch ?
Since the advent of Cell Phone Watch which has integrated wrist watch and cell phone together,many fashionable men have diverted his interests of cell phone to Watch Phones,among of which are super stylish.Don't be curious in seeing some young men seemingly soliloquize,in fact,they are on call with the bluetooth headset accompanied with Cell Phone Watch.How cool they are after you know the truth.Wow,Cell Phone Watch is that mysterious.Will you want to keep one Cell Phone Watch and throw off Cell Phone and Watch?
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smart phone  216
06-30-2008 02:07 AM ET (US)
Smart phones are intelligent,they are cleverer than non-smart phones.Usually speaking,smart phone has installed with Windows OS but not other OSs,such as Linux or Unix at least in China, so smart phone from China indicates it is Windows smartphone.Smart phones has been insalled with office software,although they can not compete with PC,you can keep one portable smart phone to synchronize your working by Outlook,Word and MSN. Exactly,it is rather important for businessmen especially for one workholic.Wow,we nearly forget to remind you that smart phones have attractive appearance and outline, they looks like gentlemen.
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triband cell phone  217
06-30-2008 02:07 AM ET (US)
Triband phones or quad band phones can be used more countries than other cell phones.If you are from Italy,you may not care this matter,as it has the same network frequency with that of China.Triband phones support GSM850/900/1800MHz or GSM900/1800/1900MHz which requires that consumers from AT&T Mobility,USA you can choose both,but from T-Mobile USA you must choose the latter. Quad band phones support GSM850/900/1800/1900MHz which can be used nearly everywhere.
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wifi phone  218
06-30-2008 02:08 AM ET (US)
Wifi phone supports IEEE802.11b whose maximum transmitted rate is 11Mbps.In WiFi coverage,users with WiFi phones can fastly browser Internet pages,dial and receive calls at ease,you can enjoy pleasures brought by stream media and network games which are worthy expecting,besides,you can also receive and send emails,download MP3 files,transfer digital photos which are basing on fast net rate and low consumption costs.Although WiFi is prohibited in China,Sourcinggate.com can offer international customers diverse excellent WiFi phones.Tips:Compared with bluetooth,WiFi has wider coverage and faster transferred rate.
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dual standby phone  219
06-30-2008 02:09 AM ET (US)
Dual SIM phone indicates that one cell phone with two SIM card slots,and you can receive two calls simultaneously(namely dual standby).People are always pesky in taking two cell phones when on business trip.Now,dual SIM phones have solved this issue,you don't have to take two cell phones beside you,unnecessary to switch between two sim cards,it is rather easy and convenient for you to receive two calls from two different countries at one time,that saves your much time and energy,more importantly,your peer never get message "Sorry,you dialed number is busy now,please try later" and get you through instantly.
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PDA phone  220
06-30-2008 02:09 AM ET (US)
After having one PDA Phone,your electron dictionary is redundant which supports translation between Chinese and English and preserve telephone numbers etc.PDA Cell Phone is one new arrival in Digital World.With more and more manufacturers joining the designing team and producing new products,powerful PDA Phones have become the focus in consumers' eyes!Really? PDA Phones? What PDA Phones? PDA Phone is one cell phone integrated PDA and Cell Phone together,and can access Internet.
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bluetooth phone  221
06-30-2008 02:10 AM ET (US)
Bluetooth phones have broken data transfer barricades among countries as they have adopted the universal frequency settings.You can receive wireless calls with one bluetooth inside 10 metres,which just requires you wear a bluetooth earphone. People with bluetooth cell phones not only surf Internet,but also connect his treasure to PC,all which are entire wireless operations.More interestingly,if the counterpart has bluetooth cell phone also,you can exchage your business card and phone rings to further interact.
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TV phone  222
06-30-2008 02:10 AM ET (US)
TV Phone=Cell Phone+TV Set ?
TV phone has integrated one common cell phone and one mini TV set. TV phones only can receive analogue singal presently,which confines its image is not as clear and stable as the digital TV,but TV mobile phones have catered the requirements of some stylish consumers who can watch TV programs in cars or on trains,which will make your journey not bored any more. Tips: Please don't desire TV phone can work as well as home TV set, after all, which is bigger and more eletricity-consumed than TV mobile phone.
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video phone  223
06-30-2008 02:11 AM ET (US)
Vedio phone will entertain your leisure life after intensive working.When ask your lover or good friends to go for a walk in the country in seasons,you want to keep the happy time forever,but static pictures can not record details,what you desire is portable Video phone.Video phone doesn't compete with home DV,however,its synthetical functions consisits of DV functions and Cell Phone functions can compensate this tiny shortcoming.Okay,don't hesitate to keep one Video phone in hands for virtues of Video cell phones.
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cell phone accessory  224
06-30-2008 02:12 AM ET (US)
Find all the latest and essential cell phone accessories at Sourcinggate.com. We carry mobile phone accessories for Motorola, Samsung, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Sanyo, LG, Pantech, Audiovox,Philips,Lenovo,Amoi,Siemens,Kyocera and more. Enjoy our wide selection of Cell phone accessories, cell phone cases, holsters, cell phone batteries, cell phone chargers, cell phone car chargers, cell phone data cables, cell phone charms and more mobile phone accessories. Sourcinggate.com is an authorized dealer for Apple iPhone. Order today for instant shipping and save more money!
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cell phone charger  225
06-30-2008 02:12 AM ET (US)
Cell phone chargers are used to charge for your cell phones.As we are living in different countries where perform diverse standards,we must adapt our various cell phone charges with corresponding rules to different interfaces.Don't worry,Sourcinggate.com will carry this giant project.We will keep updating more cell phone chargers with different brands(including famous ones and not that famous ones) to meet customers' needs and requirements of Cell phone chargers.
http://www.sourcinggate.com/Cell-Phone-Acc...s/c5_200/index.html
USB data cable  226
06-30-2008 02:13 AM ET (US)
To respond our dear customers,we will keep updating more Cell Phone USB Data Cables on our website. Welcome to buy data cables from sourcinggate.com, moreover, if cables you need have not been listed out,please remind us via Email,we will update them ASAP.Thanks:))
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iPhone accessories  227
06-30-2008 02:13 AM ET (US)
iPhone accessories are serving for the iPhone which is an Internet-enabled multimedia mobile phone designed and marketed by Apple Inc.. It has a multi-touch screen with virtual keyboard and buttons. The iPhone's functions include those of a camera phone, portable media player (iPod), in addition to text messaging and visual voicemail and many other featured traits.What a great pet!
Sourcinggate.com is one master distributor of iPhone accessories which consists of iPhone Bluetooth Headset,Apple USB Power Adapter,iPhone Dock,Apple Dock Connector to USB Cable,iPhone Dual Dock,iPhone Universal Dock Adapter 3-Pack,iPhone Stereo Headset,iPhone Bluetooth Travel Cable,AirPort Extreme Base Station,iPhone TTY Adapter and iPhone case.
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bluetooth  228
06-30-2008 02:14 AM ET (US)
Bluetooth products,including Bluetooth cell phone headsets,accessories,dongles,car kits,wireless adapters become the essentials and play a increasing significant role in modern era! Sourcinggate.com is always here for serving you with your Bluetooth connectivity requirements:View our completed categories to choose the best one in your eyes and start glad journey on Sourincggate.com now.

Bluetooth is a wireless protocol utilizing short-range communications technology facilitating both voice and data transmissions over short distances from fixed and/or mobile devices, creating wireless personal area networks (PANs).

Ordering Bluetooth Products from Sourcinggate.com
All of the Bluetooth devices listed on Sourcinggate.com are in stock to order instantly.Bluetooth products will be sent with all necessary cables and chargers,plus software(if necessary).
Bluetooth products on Sourcinggate.com will enjoy one year warranty period,and all customers can enjoy our best professional pre-sales and after-sales services.If you have any questions about Bluetooth products,please feel free to contact us,we will be gald to help you ASAP.
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bluetooth adapter  229
06-30-2008 02:14 AM ET (US)
Serial Bluetooth Adapters bring wireless Bluetooth technology to your RS-232 serial equipment, allowing you to eliminate messy cables. With a range of up to 330 ft (100 meters), you can communicate with serial devices beyond the reach of conventional cables. Simply plug the wireless adapter into your serial equipment and transfer data to and from Bluetooth-enabled devices.
With no software required, the Serial Bluetooth Adapter is a true plug-n-play solution. All you need to do is plug in the serial adapter to serial RS-232 equipment with a DB-9 connection and enjoy the freedom of wireless Bluetooth technology. In addition, the unit features external DIP switches allowing you to easily configure the baud rate with the simple flip of a switch. It is also fully compliant with Bluetooth 1.1 specifications and supports authentication and encryption.Hurry to get bluetooth adapters from Sourcinggate.com
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bluetooth headset  230
06-30-2008 02:15 AM ET (US)
A Bluetooth headset should be something you could wear all the time ideally while expecting to receive or make calls, or something you can quickly and conveniently affix on/around your ear when phone calls come in. Sourcinggate.com supplies many kinds of Bluetooth headsets at wholesale prices,namely,you can buy Bluetooth headsets direct from China at factory prices.After calculating the product cost and freight costs,you still benefit from the long distance business very much.
Looking for handsfree solution for your mobile? It's time to go wireless with China Bluetooth headsets!
Browse the China wholesale Bluetooth headsets category to find excellent value Bluetooth devices, compatible with all major wireless cell phone models that have Bluetooth. The wireless headsets and wireless Bluetooth earpieces in this category are all available to order in small quantities or bulk directly from China.
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memory card  231
06-30-2008 02:15 AM ET (US)
A memory card is a solid-state electronic flash memory data storage device used with digital cameras, handheld and Mobile computers, telephones, music players, video game consoles, and other electronics.Sourcinggate.com offers many different types of memory cards and jobs they are used for,such as in digital cameras, in game consoles, in cell phones, in industrial applications,in PC card (PCMCIA) and in MP3 Players or MP4 Players.
Ordering Memory Cards from Sourcinggate.com
Now you can buy wholesale flash memory card direct from china like SD cardAmini-SD cardACF cardATF card(Micro-SD card)AMMC card and memory stick of KINGSTON/SANDISK/SONY,etc.
Kinds of specification are as following:128MA256MA512MA1GA2GA4GA8G,etc.
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mp3/mp4 pleayer watch  232
06-30-2008 02:16 AM ET (US)
MP3 / MP4 Play Watch consists of one MP3 Player / MP4 Player and one watch. Welcome to the most famous distributor of MP3 and MP4 watches at factory prices you never encounted before.
Sourcinggate.com has listed the most popular MP3 / MP4 Watches as belows,welcome to choose the best ones you are satisfied with.Sourcinggate.com will be always here for serving you.
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mp3 player accessories  233
06-30-2008 02:17 AM ET (US)
There are several MP3 Accessories for iPod, Mp3 players, and Mp4 players(Famous brand and common brand). Resell Portable Media Player (PMP) accessories in your retail store, ebay store, and wholesale ipod accessories yourself! Check out our wide selection of generic China wholesale iPod cables and adapters, wholesale iPod Nano accessories, iPod Video accessories, iPod Shuffle accessories and wholesale iPod related accessories and devices for iPod resellers or terminative users.Welcome to buy mp3 player accessories and mp4 player accessories from Sourcinggate.com,Sourcinggate.com hopes to be your longstanding supplier.
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Video Game Accessories  234
06-30-2008 02:17 AM ET (US)
Video Game Accessories includes Wii accessories, psp, ds lite, component cable with speakers, games guides, xbox 360 controller, compare price wiimote, wii guitar, game accessories, wii fit, wii wheel, gameboy ds, xbox 360 headset, dsonpspcas04 review, rock band xbox 360, dreamgear sensor bar, dragon nds lite silicone storage case, fragfx, dgdsl-915, dreamgear micro etc.If you are looking for video game accessories,please come to SourcingGate.com who boasts lower price(Retail quantity at wholesale price) and faster shipping(send products out within 5 to 7 days as soon as getting money) all over the world.
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car video player  235
06-30-2008 02:18 AM ET (US)
When it comes to car video players, your options seem endless. A car DVD player may be installed in the dashboard for the driver and front-seat passenger to watch when the car is parked, or it may hang from overhead for back-seat passengers to enjoy on road trips. Some players include a TV tuner or combine a back-seat video monitor with an in-dash sound system. Easily compare features and prices on car video systems with a little help from Consumer Guide.
Now,good news is coming! Sourcinggate.com can provide you with many kinds of Car Video at featured prices,because we have established long and stable relationships with factories,which indicates it only take original factory price to get high quality products,and every product will enjoy one year warranty period.Feel free to visit http://www.sourcinggate.com/ to save more money and more time(We deliver products via Express Way).
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DVD player  236
06-30-2008 02:18 AM ET (US)
A great DVD Player can make a long trip go by very easily, especially when flying. Often however, the movie you watch on the small screen at the front of your cabin is edited and interrupted by announcements from the crew about dinner. Have you ever considered taking a portable DVD player with you? With one of these and a good set of headphones, you can enjoy that action flick while everyone else is stuck hearing about the Grand Canyon. Check out our list of recommended features below to help you choose the best portable DVD player.

Dimensions A portable DVD player can end up feeling like a small brick to some, especially those which have large rechargeable batteries attached to them. While all players tend to run small, weight can vary by several pounds so make sure to check the side of the box before you buy.
Disc Formats Supported Besides playing standard DVD Players, many portable players today can double as CD players as well, eliminating the need to take one extra device on your trip. You should also consider seeing if your player can support CD-R,CD-RW or DVD-R as well, as these do-it-yourself disc formats are becoming popular amongst those who have burners at home.
Outputs One of the great things about portable DVD players is that they can substitute for regular size cousins on the fly when you need to plug into your home entertainment system. You will want to consider a player which has high quality outputs, such as S-Video for video and Optical Out for audio, so you can get the best quality playback possible.
Screen Many players today come with built-in screens, which make it the ultimate DVD Player entertainment device for the road. While screen size varies somewhat, larger is definitely better. You should expect to pay a higher price however. If you are looking for budget, you can also consider a player without a screen, though you will need to make sure you have something you can hook it up to so you can watch your movie.
Virtual Surround Sound For those times when you don nott have the ability to hook your DVD player up to a home entertainment system, consider a model which has virtual surround sound. This neat feature enhances the sound quality of the movie, giving it a more realistic edge.
Now that you have down the basics about what makes a great DVD player, put your skills to the test by browsing our Top Portable DVD Player picks and choosing the player which best fits your needs,we can provide you with many kinds of Portable DVD Player with 7 inch,8 inch,9 inch,9.2inch and 10.4inch screen.Or visit www.sourcinggate.com direct to get all featured electronics products.
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led flashlight  237
06-30-2008 02:19 AM ET (US)
LED Flashlight can help you solve this issue: Most of us have had the annoying experience of the bulb failing in our common flashlight, usually at a less than opportune moment. Even when there is a spare handy, changing it can be a challenge in the dark. How appealing would you find a LED flashlight with a bulb that never burns out, or at least not for tens of thousands of hours? How appealing would you find a flashlight whose batteries last tens of hours, or even hundreds of hours?Now,the answer is out. Sourcinggate.com boasts its good source of LED Flashlight,they are good quality and very cheap,for example,it only takes less than $13.00 dollars to get 100 Bulb LED Flashlight, Ultra-bright and say good bye to dark from now on.How cheap it is,right? Okay,let us surf on www.sourcinggate.com at once.
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Surveillance Equipment  238
06-30-2008 02:19 AM ET (US)
Sourcinggate.com is a world leader in providing surveillance and security equipments to Government, Law Enforcement, Private Investigators, small and large companys worldwide. We have one of the largest varieties of state-of-the-art (one-of-a-kind) surveillance and counter-surveillance equipment including Biometric Identification Systems, Anti-terrorist-related equipment, Personal Protection (recommended for our female customers) and Bug Detection Products.
Sourcinggate.com offers high-quality, professional grade equipment whether you can rent or lease to others or buy for yourself and your relatives.Our advantage as follows:
1.We accept various payment ways,incluing the widely used Paypal,WesternUnion,Visa,Mastercard and bank T/T.
2.We deliver products via Express Way,including FedEx,DHL,UPS and EMS.It is rather soon to get your lovely products.
3.All products on our website have one year warranty period.
Know more details,please visit www.sourcinggate.com to harvest more surprises.
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Digital Camera,Hidden Cam  239
06-30-2008 02:20 AM ET (US)
A digital camera is a camera that takes video or still photographs, or both, digitally by recording images on a light-sensitive sensor.Digital cameras can include features that are not found in film cameras, such as displaying an image on the camera's screen immediately after it is recorded, the capacity to take thousands of images on a single small memory device, the ability to record video with sound, the ability to edit images, and deletion of images allowing re-use of the storage they occupied.In all,digital camera has integrated many modern features,every fashion man are proud of keeping one stylish and appropriate digital camera.
Sourcinggate.com provides many kinds of classical digital cameras,ranging from Video cameras to Compact digital cameras,from Bridge cameras to Digital single lens reflex cameras,Hidden Camera,Spy Cameras and so on.Besides,at sourcinggate.com you can get Camera Battery,Camera Battery Charger and Digital Camera Accessories conveniently.
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Computer Peripheral  240
06-30-2008 02:20 AM ET (US)
Discount computer accessories like Flash Hard Drives, Special Keyboards,TCP / IP Cameras, USB Accessories, WebCameras for your home computer or laptop allow you to keep pace with exciting new technologies. Given the rapid advance of digital accessory technology, consumers are often forced to choose between staying current and going broke. Fortunately, there are ways to shop for digital computer accessories and keep your costs down at the same time.
Sourcinggate.com is an wholesaler for discount electronics shopping. We offer a huge selection of computer accessories and electronics at marked down prices, so you'll never have to pay high retail prices. Of course, keeping your computer budget low means more than getting a great deal on a single part--it involves thinking about technology upgrades in a different light.
Choosing the Perfect Discount Computer Accessories
All computer accessories direct from china manufacturers, now you can Find cheap Computer Accessories , and discount deals on the latest Computer Accessories , and Derect Buy it online from china
With the right accessories, it's easy to create a computer platform that meets your needs. Our discount prices and easy-to-navigate website make ordering easy. Whether you need simple accessories like mouse pads or an entire tape backup system, we have the discount computer accessories you're looking for.
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Digital Photo Frame  241
06-30-2008 02:21 AM ET (US)
A Digital Picture Frame is a picture frame that displays digital photos without the need to print them or use a computer. The digital photo frames may also be able to display the photos in a TV set.
Sourcinggate.com reminds that Digital photo frames typically display the pictures directly from a camera's memory card, though certain frames also provide internal memory storage. Certain frames allow users to directly upload pictures to the frame's memory via a USB connection. However, few digital picture frames have built-in memory and due the high price of in-built memory this feature has been relatively expensive and the memory provided has been small.
Some of them also include a rechargable battery.
Most 7 inch (17.5cm) models show images at 430 x 234 pixels. The width of each landscape image is stretched to achieve an aspect ratio of 16:9, which results in very noticeable distortion.
Exactly,so many problems will be considered when you need to buy Digital Photo Frame,now,Sourcinggate.com will help you solve these problems. Welcome to log in http://www.sourcinggate.com/ to know more expertise about Digital Photo Frame.
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06-30-2008 02:22 AM ET (US)
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USB flash drive  243
06-30-2008 02:22 AM ET (US)
A USB Flash Drive is a NAND-type flash memory data storage device integrated with a USB (universal serial bus) connector.USB flash drives offer potential advantages over other portable storage devices, particularly the floppy disk.USB flash drives are more compact, faster, hold much more data, are more reliable for lack of moving parts, and have a more durable design.Please wholesale USB flash drives at factory prices from sourcinggate.com
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iPod Accessories  244
06-30-2008 02:23 AM ET (US)
If you are looking for iPod Accessories then you have come to the right place. SourcingGate.com has the largest selection of accessories including docks,speakers, transmitters and more. If you are looking for ipod accessories, we can help you regardless of your model.Amazing savings on some of the best top quality accessories.We also offer one year warranty on all iPod accessories.
You know what really makes iPods cool? It is the accessories you use to dress them up! With SourcingGate.com's affordable prices on iPod accessories, you can make your digital audio devices into unique technological wonders. Adapters, speakers, FM transmitters -- it's all here, at a attractive origital factory price.
If you're like most people, those little iPod ear buds can get uncomfortable. That is why everyone who owns an iPod should get iPod speakers. Most iPod speaker systems will charge your iPod while you listen to music, and you can get all kinds of different designs. Also called iPod docking stations, some have alarm clocks, some are small enough to sit on the bathroom counter and some are almost full-size stereo systems. Many are actually iPod speakers.
SourcingGate.com features loads of cool iPod cases (sometimes called iPod skins) made from cloth, leather, silicone and hard plastic: Get an iPod armband so you can listen to your music at the gym. Get an iPod car charger so you can listen to your favorite tunes on long road trips. Speaking of road trips, you've got to have an FM transmitter, so you can listen to your playlist wirelessly through your car stereo. With a new iPod charger, you can refill your battery's power without the computer. You'll never again be caught without music on your vacation!
All the iPod accessories you need are only a couple of clicks away at SourcingGate.com. While you're here, you'd better check out all our electronics. With the money you saved on your iPods, you can afford to get a couple more fun gadgets.
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iPod charger  245
06-30-2008 02:23 AM ET (US)
iPod Charger is used to charger for your iPod player.If you need to travel around,you can take one travel charger for iPod,if you encountered emergency issues,you can use Emergency Charger for Ipod.If you need to charge for your iPod in car,you can get iPod car charger.In all,at SourcingGate.com you can find various iPod chargers satisfying your requirements.
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iPod skin,iPod Case  246
06-30-2008 02:24 AM ET (US)
SourcingGate.com offers many featured iPod skins,namely,iPod cases which are thin, close fitting and come in a huge range of colours and designs. Our range of fabric iPod cases covers fur, corduroy, neoprene and everything in between, giving your iPod individuality without compromising on protection.
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iPod speaker  247
06-30-2008 02:24 AM ET (US)
iPod Speaker tells you one story "Music,music,I can not live up without music" many young guys shouted out passionally. Indeed,music is very significant to every life-lover.However,have you further thought why not share lovely music with friends together?Wow,good idea! Ipod speaker can implement it. SourcingGate.com provides consumers with multifold iPod speakers.You can find what you like here.Okay,don't hesitate to choose one to play music out louderly.
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SourcingGate.com  248
06-30-2008 02:25 AM ET (US)
SourcingGate.com is one professional distributor of Cell Phone,Cell Phone Accessories,Bluetooth,Memory Cards,MP4 Player,MP3 Players,MP3/MP4 Player Watches,MP3 Accessories,Car Video,DVD Player,LED Flashlight,Surveillance Equipment,iPod Accessories,Video Game Accessories,Digital Cameras,Computer Peripherals,Digital Picture Frame,Solar Battery Charger,USB Flash Drives.
Advantages  249
06-30-2008 02:26 AM ET (US)
1.No minimum order at wholesale prices
No minimum ordered quantity on Sourcinggate.com. You can even order one sample once,of course,more quantity you ordered once,less unit price you will get.So no matter you are one wholesaler,retailer or final consumer,you can enjoy wholeprice.Why we can offer such a low price?because we get products from factories direct,we can slash down the cost of all products,and repay to every dear customer.

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There are various payment worldwide,including T/T,WesternUnion and Paypal.Compared to other two payments,Paypal will be the most popular payment.Why?As its features have decided this:Instant,Serure.Sourcinggate has adopted Paypal payment,so you don't worry Sourcinggate.com will cheat your money,Paypal will protect you,although Sourcinggate.com never did this crime and won't do it.

3.Quick and soon Delivery
Usually,Sourcinggate.com will send products via FedEx,DHL and UPS.If you are in United States,you will get your lovely products within 3 days after getting your full money,as for other countries or regions,you can get within 11 days.Besides,we are one memberships of FedEx,which indicates the Expressway fee is cheaper than that of other co-workers.If you don't need to get products in small volume urgently,you can choose Air Mail to save money.
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mp3 player  250
06-30-2008 02:33 AM ET (US)
MP3 Player is a consumer electronics device that stores, organizes and plays audio files.Whether you want to get your groove on while working out or would like to amuse yourself as you commute on public transit, a portable MP3 music player could suit your needs. MP3 players which is available in a wide variety of styles and sizes and capable of storing thousands of songs,capitalize on digital technology to supplant traditional Walkman,style cassette,tape players and portable CD players.SourcingGate.com is one authorized MP3 Player distributor,where you can get multifarious MP3 Players marked with famous brand or non-famous brand.You will satisfy its excellent product quality,attractive price and considerate services.
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