i'll repeat this for the record: the quality of the guys you have met, no matter how many of them there have been, does not define your particular city's dating culture. guys do not adapt to a certain style based on where they live. for every guy you've dated who was "non-commital" or whatever, there is probably a guy who doesn't frequent the same social circles who is exactly what you're looking for. cities are multi-faceted, as are the people who live in them.

and to the person who was maintaining the "queque" of "quiet, depressed nerdy girls," would you please send a few of them -- or heck, even one -- in the direction of portland? that description sounds perfect! heh.