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Ginger
11-17-2004
10:49 PM ET (US)
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Why not think about how we are treating people we are professing to liberate? I don't think there is a single person who plans on disrespecting a soldier - their sacrifice and commitment is obvious. What is not obvious is the truth about why were asked to fight this war. Why not talk about that part? Don't you wonder how straight the media (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) is really being with you? The harsh truth is that they are NOT telling you why we went to war. They are protecting their own interests - and not the general public's.
It's up to all of you to find out the true meaning of this war. If you care about why our men and women are out there, stop listening to the pundits and start listening to your gut. Ask questions - and don't let yourself be talked down to - by anyone.
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mary
11-17-2004
06:44 PM ET (US)
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thanks kevin for this source of photos and stories direct from iraq.
i will be checking here for info i hope is unbiased.
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Gerald Buckley
05-01-2004
09:44 PM ET (US)
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I like this kevin sites blog, but I won't be a part of this discussion. It should be edited.
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samantha
04-21-2004
01:38 AM ET (US)
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how were men treated that did not go to war in ww1
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Esperanza
03-17-2004
03:46 PM ET (US)
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I agree with Elle, what is wrong with you lamp?
War is the most horrible thing in the world but someone must defend the helpless and oppressed of the world. If you like your freedom, chances are someone along the way died for it. Putos like you would never have stood up for freedom and democracy and we'd all be living in some despot's private hell-hole right now.
The Spanish, Americans, British etc in Iraq right now are heroes. They should be treated as such.
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Elle
02-27-2004
08:32 AM ET (US)
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Lamp:
What is wrong with you???? First of all, not everyone who went over to Vietnam or Iraq .... necessarily killed people. For God's sake, my dad was on an aircraft carrier -- he just knows many of the pilots who left, never came back. Second of all, do you really think that the soldiers go to war with happy thoughts of killing people! Be real. Would you rather, when faced with another pointing gun your way ready to shoot, that these men lay down their gun and be killed????
I am not for this war -- I never was. I always thought is was simply a Bush Family vendetta / best interests war having to do with oil. And I never wanted any of our men to go over there. But the fact is that they are over there and regardless of how I feel about the over all war, I would always support our people over there!!! For many, it is not a choice whether to go or not go -- and I would never cast stones on a man for defending himself.
Maybe you should rethink your BS.
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lamp
02-18-2004
03:27 PM ET (US)
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"I also worry about how the media will handle them. I still remember all too clearly their reaction to Timothy McVeigh and John Mohammed (the Washington Sniper). Sadly, it only takes on vet doing something stupid to make the rest of us look like Rambos in waiting."
You ARE a bunch of Rambos in waiting. Someone(the gov.) gives you $1000 a month, or whatever crap pay you get and you're willing to slaughter brown people all day long. The difference is only in what country you're killing people. It wasn't "one vet doing something stupid" that gave you guys a bad name, it was the millions of you dumb fucks that have been killing people all over the globe for the last 50 years that did it. get a fucking clue: people are people-- killing Iraqi's or Vietnamese is just as bad as killing Americans.
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lamp
02-18-2004
03:20 PM ET (US)
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"I hope our current soldiers will not expeience the "shame" that your father and mine experienced.... I hope they can hold their heads up high..... I wish for them the strength that you so obviously have..... and I certainly wish for them and for our country that no one stands in judgement of these men....."
Fuck that. If you're a murderer you should feel ashamed! Honor is reserved for those who make hard choices-- going along with a murderous war makes you just as bad as the people who's idea it was. stop coddling these moral degenerates. they aren't real men and shouldn't be treated as such.
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lamp
02-18-2004
03:14 PM ET (US)
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This was a good story. It showed how amoral our soldiers are. They don't give a crap about defending democracy, they just joined up cause they had dead end lives. and now they're distraught cause they didn't have the moral backbone to not kill people who did nothing to them. cool shit
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Dick
02-09-2004
06:44 PM ET (US)
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Four friends who'd readjusted from special warfare (1960's) to civilian life relapsed occasionally. Examples:
1. Gutting a live trout
2. Attacking when his wife approached from behind
3. Justifying a live cap in a training booby trap
4. Admiring an Apache method of torture
5. Boasting of air-dropping a zealot to make a weakling talk
6. Repeating a cannibalistic lyric
Only one repented. ALL had refused to re-enlist.
Dick, Salt Lake City, Utah
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debbie
02-09-2004
12:17 PM ET (US)
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I remember well how our men were treated upon returning from Vietnam. Some were shamefull, some were proud, but all seemed angry. The country did them a great dis-service. The biggest difference then was the draft. These men did not want to fight then anymore than now, but the government said go...and they did their jobs. Many never came back, and those who did were scared for life. I was sadly married to one of those men. A "tunnel-rat", and I would wake up with a pillow held to my face, or fingers around my neck. Sometimes the yelling and thrashing would come first. He wouldn't talk of what happened over there, but it haunted him all the time. The blind fury would creep over him and hold him by the neck, till he would strike out, or submitt to weeping. Sadly, we eventually went our own way, but the war to this day still haunts him. We take young men, boys for the most part, and in that time they are in Iraq, the rest of their lives will be altered. Some will be strong enough to handle it, many won't. How they will be treated when they return will have more of an impact than those of us here can begin to imagine. I pray that the government will back them up and continue to offer them support to overcome the brutality of war. But ultimately it will be up to us to extend the hand and welcome them back. Let them know that we support them, regardless of how we felt about the war. It's so easy for those here to say the war is wrong. Tell that to the people of Irag, who have looked our men in the eyes and thanked them for setting them free. Tell that to our boys and men who have seen first hand what is happening, and to the families who have lost loved ones. "War is Hell", no matter where you are, who you are and what position you hold on it. But sadly in this day and age, it's also a fact of life.
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