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01-28-2004 12:53 AM ET (US)
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Edited by author 01-28-2004 12:58 AM
Doug:
I believe there's an easier way, although I don't know either. Mathematicians are lazy, they want everyting LOOKS simple and elegant.
When I work on this assignment, most the time I feel that it is almost there, I just need a little tricky manipulation to get it done.
I am looking for that trick to make this question easier.
Andrew: "define a p* over (X^n) to be the product of each of the p(x_i)?"
This is true only when each x is independent to others.
I think a preciser definition of p* should be the joint probability of each x of (x_i).
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01-28-2004 01:14 AM ET (US)
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Prof Elkan: The question about insect sex is 2.7 in my copy of Silvey. Question 2.8 is about the "Leaves of a plant". You may want to write out the question on this message board so that there is no confusion.
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I have a question about problem 2.1. I have estimated the parameter theta which gives me directly the expectation of e^(-theta) but not necessarily its variance. Can the variance of e^(-theta) also be expressed as a function of the variance of theta or do we have to estimate it directly?
Doug & Jay:
I believe that an easier way to prove 2.4 is to express one of the variances as a function of the other - start with the expression of one of the variances and transform it into the other. What remains will tell you which of the two is greater than the other.
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01-28-2004 11:09 AM ET (US)
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For 2.4, can I use the conclusion from 1.1(b) and "MSE = Variance + Bias" as granted? This makes the life a lot easier.
It is not hard to prove the second one, though.
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01-28-2004 11:36 AM ET (US)
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Doug, thanks for pointing out the confusion about the insect question. I did not know that the current printing of Silvey is different!
Here is the question:
An entomologist samples at random from a large pop. of a species. She records the sex of each insect and stops sampling after obtaining M > 1 males, by whichtime the total sample size is x. Find an MVUE of theta, the proportion of males in the pop.
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01-28-2004 11:37 AM ET (US)
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Edited by author 01-28-2004 05:26 PM
Jay, yes, you can use the results you mention in /m12.
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01-28-2004 11:48 AM ET (US)
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Edited by author 01-28-2004 05:24 PM
Hint to Jay for 1.3 /m8: Think coin flips.
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01-28-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)
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01-28-2004 04:02 PM ET (US)
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I started to say I got much more traction for 2.4 by relating variances, but I found an error in my proof. Back to square one...
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01-28-2004 05:21 PM ET (US)
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Edited by author 01-28-2004 05:23 PM
Andrew asked /m6: So, precisely, how is the expectation of an estimator defined, given that p is defined over X and the estimator g is defined over X^n? Do we define a p* over (X^n) to be the product of each of the p(x_i)? Technically, we have a different estimator g_n for each n. And yes, the expectation of g_n is defined using the pdf for (x_1, ..., x_n) which is the n-fold product of p(x_i). Jay's comment /m9 "I think a preciser definition of p* should be the joint probability of each x of (x_i)" is correct.
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01-28-2004 05:32 PM ET (US)
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From Nuno in /m11: "I have a question about problem 2.1. I have estimated the parameter theta which gives me directly the expectation of e^(-theta) but not necessarily its variance. Can the variance of e^(-theta) also be expressed as a function of the variance of theta or do we have to estimate it directly?" This question is not phrased right because e^(-theta) is not a random variable, so it does not have an expectation. An important fact to note: Suppose g(x) is an unbiased estimator of theta. Usually f(g(x)) is *not* an unbiased estimator of f(theta).
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01-28-2004 05:37 PM ET (US)
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For problem 2.4, you don't have to evaluate var[S^2] explicitly. You can get it by looking up properties of the chi-squared distribution, following part (b) of Silvey 1.1.
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01-29-2004 12:10 AM ET (US)
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I am having trouble with Q3 where we need to express the distribution P(x1 | x1 + ... + xn) If I let this equal ( P(x1 = a) * P(x2 + ... + xn = N-a) )/ P(x1 + ... + xn = N), I almost get a binomial distribution like: (N choose a) * p^a * q^N-a but it seems that I'm not getting a probability for p and q but instead I have n, the number of random variables
Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
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01-29-2004 12:37 AM ET (US)
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Luke, I think you probably have it right. Do you mean you get p = 1/n? If so, this is plausible.
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