wow!!! pretty heated discussions going on in here!

i agreed to be a mod in the 400s...and i have seen a LOT of changes going on since then. as a mod...i tried taking my 'duties' seriously and would read thru the rules to assure i was being fair to all involved.

i just got back into town...and read thru all the discussions going on for the past week, and have to agree with a lot that was said.

my 'unsolicited' advice to the current (and future) modz...perform democratically. no 'one' person should make decisions for the group...that, after all, is a monarchy!

if there are ANY questions regarding the validity of a photo...put it to a vote...and follow the rules of the game. that is the only way this group can capture some of its integrity back!

maybe when i get a little more time...i'll be able to participate. until then...

ciao!

my 2 cents!

Group.. this is the last time you'll see my words trying to protect the group (i never did it for me, as u can see i'm not participating since i won the 500 contest, because of abusive behavior from the mods).
That lady-mod really showed she is learning with the president of her country, passing through democracy and the group rights. Now she threat me with the desativation of my fotolog. And stablished CENSORSHIP! Desautorized me to comment at the fotolog i have much more participation then her. Ok.. i accept her authority (that EVEN her don't know why she received. just like the president of her country).

So.. there's only one thing to do. i'll get out and never return.

But as the mods desautorized me to comment, I desauthorise this flog to keep my pictures in it archive

So, you, mods, have 48 hours to delete EACH picture sent by me. Delete them Immediately.

Thank you and good bye.
and congrats to Pat.. he did all perfect and is the winner of the contest, finally... (will he really accept it?)

Como meu nome foi citado aqui pelo therichard me sinto na obrigação de postar a resposta aqui também.

Caro therichard,

como você citou meu nome no Discussion Board do Sequential_nmbrs me sinto à vontade para lhe mandar essa mensagem.
Gostaria de deixar claro que não sou seguidor de ninguém,nem mesmo de Yoda, e tampouco faço parte de nenhum grupo, meus questionamentos apenas coincidem com os de jvc e jpinho e muitos outros, pelo simples fato que desde que os antigos moderadores deixaram o Seq_nmbrs sob a responsabilidade da Delina e do Patisfaction que esse flog deixou de ser um jogo onde os participantes têm alguma voz. Antes todos opinavam se uma foto era válida ou não e todos ajudavam a estabelecer as regras do jogo, agora não o Pat aparece quando quer e faz o que quer(deleta fotos que ELE acha inválidas) sem pedir a opinião de ninguém, e a Delina é incapaz de questionar as atitudes dele e ele as dela.
Espero que se houve leviandade na sua expressão "your "gang" of followers (aka jpinho and rodrigov)" esta mensagem sirva para que antes você procure conhecer toda a história do jogo e dos envolvidos antes de opinar sobre o caráter deles.

Atenciosamente

rodrigov

If you would ask me which time I preferred most I would say the early days of sequential_numbers, and I mean REALLY EARLY (no. 1-100). But nothing ever stays the way it is, neither the fotolog community not this group, and glorifying good old times is not really a solution. ;-)

I don't know why rodrigov was not accepted as moderator, in fact I'm not even sure if this was intentional.

haha. sao tao medrosos que tiraram até o link..

homemcueca. thanks for your help and support.. but post it @ 2late, as the contest is over..

i think it MUST be cancelled..
or
the 5 pics showed on the cover page be declared invalid.

to any of the modz:

please remove my 600 picture from the contest. I'm no longer in competition. thanks

I admit that, as a moderator, I have been quite absent of the 600s' issue. But I have already had several discussions about other issues with /credd (and one time with - yes! - patisfaction), giving opinions on them and what should be done.

About the banners' issue, IT IS A RULE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED AS SUCH. If one feels lazy about making and uploading banners, it should ask for other moderator to do such work.

Here I leave my personal contact for further discussions, including moderation discussions. If any mod ever need me to make and/or upload banners, do not hesitate in contacting me.
MSN/e-mail: vitor.dias@terra.com.br

delina.. in alll these scenarios u present:
"For the record the last 4 entries in 500 were patisfaction, lampiao, jvc & zwigmar. 400 contest last 4 were lampiao, jimsky, neptuno & rodrigov. 300 contest were addadada, patisfaction, lampiao & jvc. You can surmise any number of scenarios from that information. It doesn't really prove or disprove much. "

There were 6 banners hiding the shots..



If you fell bored with the work.. if you are lazy to be a mod having to upload and delete the banners (htat don't reallyneed to be deleted) please, quit being a mod.. do us this favor.

The richard:
as you are new here.. and Tatianaf too.. just check this link:
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=7819866

see (reading the coments from the group) how absent Pat is.. we waited four or five days for any mod to do something (there were more than 5!)

THen Rodrigov, jp and that lady offered to be mods.. the group wanted Rodrigov.. we know him from long time.. he's a pro.. and honest..
u can see the nice popdesign furious with Pat because he f**d with her..
and.. u'll see who has the reason here.

and ask everybody (u have a list of the regulars @ /2late. that are not anymore u know now why..) how was the game before.. and now.. which do they prefer.. they will say for sure limone's time.. with no pat dong whatever he wants.. and no that lady.

Continuing. read the below message firs, The Richard:

U can see here, that when a shot is suspicious like this one:
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=5106009
the group ask the photographer to show the complete picture to make sure that the shot is really valid. And Lampiao did it:
http://www.fotolog.net/2late/?photo_id=5280162

so.. what we ask for Pat??? To show the full pic.. HE NEVER SHOWED IT

ans as he was the ONLY mod here..(not participating as a mod.. but unfortunately a mod) he simply ignored our complains.. so i quit the game to put some pressure. but he never even said a word! We, THE GROUP are really OFFENDED with the person that we really thought must be the one to give the example! But NOTHING!

now.. again w/ this contest.. they are wrong not putting the banners.. but they are the only mods that appear (pat called some mods.. after the 400 contest.. but they seem to be dead.)

But as i (even quitting the game i love!) like a fair play.. i begged them to put the banner..

Do you know what was the answer i got from them???????

NOTHING
NOTHING

oh.. i'm wrong.. i received an agressive message from this lady with captions.. seemed for me that she is yelling at me 9and for me it really sounded like a "SHUT UP, U BAD F*ING GUY").

look at it: "sequential_nmbrs @ 2004-07-15 17:21 said:

I AM SERIOUS! YOU COMMENT HERE, and YOU JEOPARDIZE YOUR VOTE! "



And why did pat called this lady and not accepted rodrigov and others? Rodrigov is playing here for much more time!
Toooo strange!!! maybe because pat knows he will follow the rules.

Pat is not the owner of this game.. so.. i really want Hukes to say a world about this.
I want Pat out as a mod. he can't be a mod here. He's SO impartial.. man, he took shots from rodrigov and jpinho WITHOUT an acceptable excuse to post his own shot. THis is not fair.. he'll do it with you, and you'll became very ungry!

and i don't want to see you, a seriuos player, and a fantastic photographer, ungry as i and some others are.

understood?

The Richard..
U see i'm not at this game anymore despite many claims that i return.. not me, not jp, not rodrigov, not lampiao. podesign.. and many others that don't agree with these mods.

I'm really sorry if you understand wrong. Who is not playing fair are the mods.

i'm not participating at this contest. I have a 600, that i think is really nice and put at 2late (u can seee it there). i'm soo sad, because i was keeping this 600 for the contest.

What i'm trying to show here is that these mods are THE ONES that are not following the rules that THE GROUP made altogether.
You can check i'm the one that is trying to have a fair play here! Just click here:
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=5605801
ang go clicking on NEXT button 6 times.. you will see that the spaces on the left MUST be filled with banners. THe reason is clear.. the one that posted the last pictures (oh.. what a coincidence: PAT and DELINA DID!!!!! ), have a huge advantadge!

And u can see clearly that they are not playing fair because in ANY moment they answered my complains!!! Why???
because they have no answer!!

I don't have anything personal with them.. U don't know.. but pat and i are friends and toggether mods of /eye for months.. i'm a fan of his shots. But i really got ungry with his attitudes here.
He posted an invalid shot.. everybody complained! EVERY.. and he NEVER said a word or showed the full shot.

continue..

/m302 tatianaf
Hi Tati, Rodrigov and I volunteered to be moderators at almost the same time. I didn't really know him and he didn't really know me; so it wasn't a competition. I thought we both might get accepted. Instead, I was accepted and he wasn't. I do not know why. You would have to ask Rodrigov what they told him, or ask the other moderators. I had nothing whatsoever to do with why he nver became a moderator. Some people seem to think that we moderators are on some nefarious power trip. I just enjoyed playing the game and had the time and ability to do some moderating; so I volunteered. I have never told anyone on this group to "Shut up". That is not my style. Of course when I was brand new, I tried to comply with the moderator who seemed to be the most active at the time, Patisfaction. As I grew more accustomed to my role here, I haven't always agreed with all the other modz, but we take little polls & try to be fair. Sometimes, if someone is out of line, we don't take a poll, we just use our own judgement. We are a group of volunteers.

/m288 Rodrigov
I just realized that I didn't address part of your comments which can be seen by clicking on the /m288.
You were saying it was unfair about the banners not covering the entire left column of the page; so that the people who posted toward the very end got to be on the front page, perhaps an unfair advantage. I know for a fact that during some of the last 300, 400 & 500 contests that there were people who posted right toward the end, apparently to get that advantage. I saw them in the 500 for sure. It was not all banners at the beginning. It maybe became all banners later, but I remember wondering what if people waited too long, and technical problems kept them from getting in, they would get caught in their own trap.
For the record the last 4 entries in 500 were patisfaction, lampiao, jvc & zwigmar. 400 contest last 4 were lampiao, jimsky, neptuno & rodrigov. 300 contest were addadada, patisfaction, lampiao & jvc. You can surmise any number of scenarios from that information. It doesn't really prove or disprove much.
As far as all banners, I think it looks boring. It is a lot of work, and has to be all removed later. I am NOT the only moderator. I am just the most active one. There are other moderators who can take a little poll, and if all banners win, they can do them. ~Delina

/m288 Rodrigov
Hi, Your point that the rules made it sound as if you couldn't post anything except "I vote for this one" under the 600 picture you were voting for, but that other places to post might be OK, was a valid point. It did sound that way. Posting under the banner, however, provided an inconsistent amount of attention to anyone who posted there, perhaps with campaigning for the picture they liked, or perhaps with scolding the moderators or fotolog about some grudge. Or as one person did, posting about a completely different topic when they have been banned from positng at S_N at all. We have this discussion board, and we have the comment depository. You were being polite. Some people were not. Your comment was not deleted. It was moved to the comment depository.

JVC, I'm new to the game, I just posted one number so far, the 591, plus the 600 for the contest. I don't know what happened in the past, you might even be right, but I just don't agree with and don't accept your way of dealing with the problem. If you have some issues to be cleared out with the modz, keep it between you and them. Don't use the event - the contest - to make a personal statement. Because there are many involved other than the modz, and they might have nothing to do with you and your problems and/or don't agree with you and your "gang" of followers (aka jpinho and rodrigov). By trying to interfere with the results of the contest you are disrespecting me and many others that want to play a fair game. You don't approve of the way modz manage the game, talk to them. You still don't agree and don't want to play the game? Fine, don't play the game. I don't care, since you keep it between you and them. All right?

By the way, Yoda is a Jedi Knight, the Master.

I'm quite new here but if everybody have the chance to be a mod, why they didn't accept /rodrigov? I was not playing here at that time but I remember something going on about that.