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> but am not sure about numbered lists (see pic 59 as reference),
> maybe we could add that to the "no page numbers".

Hmmm. Numbered list are going to be a bit difficult to manage, since we have banned lately other photos for having other numbers inside.

> Re. rule 2: it should be possible to ask somebody to upload a
> pic on your behalf, it has been done in the past, but the author
>of the picture must be credited and must have authorized the upload.

That would be the only time to post something from another author.

> Rule 3 is ok IMHO it has been there from the beginning. I would
> like to know what you mean with "and the likes" though.

"And the likes" would mean "and similar things".

We could try without the go banner. Then only HOLD banners?

Hugo.

Well if we make new rules or overhaul existing ones, pictures from the past are no precedence. It should be clearly pointed out how many numbers are allowed to be on the picture or, if there are more, the number submitted must play a special role in the composition (see 37 as an example)

I would say only HOLD banners, yes. We had that in the past as well.

These are the rules so far:

General Rules:

1. Stand alone number: It has to be a standalone number and it must be evident in the photo. This means the number must not be a part of a larger number.

2. Original photos: The fotologger who uploads the photo must be the one who shot the photo, that means it has to be the author (no scans from magazines or photos from the web). Any fotologer can ask another fotologer to upload a photo on his/her behalf, the author of the picture must be credited and must have authorized the upload (authorized by asking the uploader).

3. Thumbnail rule: The number must be visible or take a FAIR AMOUNT of area of the photo. That is the number MUST BE the subject of the photo and it must be evident from the thumbnail. If it cannot be seen in the thumbnail then it won`t be valid.

3. The numbers must be from a different source each time. This means that no sequential numbers from hotel rooms (within the same hotel), or dressing rooms, etc. Numbers from pages and similar things are totally out of question.

4. Repetitions: No repeated numbers allowed. If a repetition occurs the first valid number is the one that stays.

5. No made-up numbers: Numbers uploaded are preferred to be from a banner, a sign, etc. No handwritten numbers, computer generated, documents, etc.

6. Only the numbers in sequence will be valid. No numbers uploaded in advance will be valid.

7. A fotologer is allowed to upload as many numbers as she/he wants per day (according to these rules) up to a maximum of 10 numbers per 100 (this rule has been added because there are people who have a huge collection of sequential numbers already), but it is not allowed to upload two or more CONTINUOUS numbers from the same fotologer. The intention of this rule is to give everybody the same chance to participate.

No GO banners, only HOLD banner. The HOLD banners will appear any time a rearrangement is needed.

"Numbers from pages and similar things are totally out of question."

Misunderstanding :-) I know what "and the likes" means, what I meant was it would be nice to have another example besides of "numbers of pages" - what else would fall under that rule? Menu tables for example?

Oh, ok!! :) Sorry.

Page numbers, indexes, ..., (help me, plz).

saved discussion from 199/1:

10/08/03
From limone

Detail from an insurance broker`s shopwindow in my street, shot a few weeks ago.
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bytepusher @ 2003-10-08 08:12 said:
Sorry Olivia but I think the burn on license plates should count for even fake license plates...
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 limone @ 2003-10-08 08:43 said:
Actually license plates were not really burnt. We always said we just should not go for the easy catch, so the license plate should have something special. It`s not that you see a license plate exposed in a shopwindow each day, with exactly the number you need... like I said earlier, if we do that, we may not allow housenumbers as well. And we haven`t had a license plate for quite a long time. And this is a license plate for a small motorbike which we didn`t have at all yet.
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 limone @ 2003-10-08 08:46 said:
P.S.: The burning of license plates was suggested at one time, but never made it into the rules, exactly because of this discussion. Just for the fun of it I will prepare stats from 1-100 for the different numbered objects, so we see which objects have been used most so far.

I have uploaded an alternative 199 to 2late, but I would like this one to stay.
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bytepusher @ 2003-10-08 08:51 said:
Sorry, I am mis-remembering, I thought they did get burned. Darn, I`ve skipped a couple different looking ones recently because I though they were burnt...in the words of Emily Litella "Never Mind"
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 limone @ 2003-10-08 08:54 said:
When in doubt, just try and upload.
But don`t worry, the rules will be easier for the next 100 anyway.
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 limone @ 2003-10-08 08:54 said:
correction: stats from 1-200. I`m just at it, I`m curious what the result will be. :-)
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-08 20:06 said:
Sorry, Lim.. but they did get burned.. i know, because i`ve translated it..
somedays later, it desappeared..
But i agree they must not be burned.. hard to find!
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 limone @ 2003-10-09 03:49 said:
They did NOT get burned, it was always only a suggestion, and not a good one, if I may add. It was never approved by all mods that`s why it was only there for a short time. I didn`t even remember they were in the list - Hugo, how long have they been there? I think only for one day because I intervened immediately...

saved discussion from 197/1:

10/08/03
From patisfaction

& here is da 2nd ^_^
u choose & i`m gonna crash now..
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 super8mm @ 2003-10-08 00:19 said:
first one`s better-it`s more patisfaction to me
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-08 00:26 said:
hehe i actually found this1 1st, was happy
& then found the other1 which i think is more patisfaction as well ^_^

saved discussion from 197/0:

10/07/02
From jvcbrasil (uploaded by limone, used as a joker following the 48 h rule)

Since I will most probably be sleeping at 22:00 fotolog time (which is 04:00 my time) I upload the 197 right away. If somebody should happen to have a 197, feel free to upload it anyway, we can restore the sequence, but otherwise I would suggest to move on.

I hope it`s ok for the rest of the mod team, too, if not, let me know.
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jvc @ 2003-10-07 20:26 said:
YEAH! I`m the leader.. 12 to 11 against jpinho now..
heuheuehuuehuehaauahua
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 limone @ 2003-10-07 20:27 said:
LOL - it`s the little things that make life worth living, right? ;-)
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-07 20:29 said:
yes.. i love to live.. i love sequential! ;)
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 hukes @ 2003-10-07 23:07 said:
We`re almost there, the 200 contest is near. Wait for rules (easy rules, don`t worry).

--Hugo
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-08 00:05 said:
w8 w8 buddies, just got back from vicky`s birthday
wondered sum hours around in a cold wet & windy city in da middle of da friggin nite & found sum nice 1s!
includin a 197 phhhfffeewwww ;)
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-08 05:06 said:
ok so we don`t need a joker, fine :-)

saved discussion from GO 197:

10/05/02
From limone

GO 197
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 hukes @ 2003-10-05 18:01 said:
We are about to reach 1/5 of the journey!!

--Hugo.
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 limone @ 2003-10-05 18:49 said:
:-)
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-05 19:55 said:
Is there going to be a competition for 200 too?
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-05 19:56 said:
Just read the comments on 196. Boy do I feel stupid!
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-05 20:16 said:
I already have my 200... contest!!! :o)
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-05 20:16 said:
lol, jimsk..
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jpinho @ 2003-10-05 20:58 said:
;_)
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jpinho @ 2003-10-05 21:00 said:
@limone:
Can I participate of 200 contest????
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 limone @ 2003-10-05 21:38 said:
@jpinho: Yes. For the contest, the 10/100 rule doesn`t count. But: only one 200 per participant.
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-05 21:43 said:
limone! go to sleep! right now!
;)
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alessandro @ 2003-10-06 02:10 said:
was out biking with a friend today and all of a sudden I hit the brakes. My friend saw me taking out my camera and shoot a picture of number. He thought I was crazy, but I have now a cute 216 :-)
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-06 09:11 said:
Forgive me.. but i`ve already won the 200 contest! ;)
let`s start it!! :)))
where`s the 197?
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 super8mm @ 2003-10-06 12:22 said:
oh no where did that perfect 197 go!
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jpinho @ 2003-10-06 13:00 said:
Sorry.
I just had fished a beautiful 200.
Unique!
;_))))
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jpinho @ 2003-10-06 13:12 said:
@limone:
Let´s say that I am the winner of 200 contest, can I to upload a 201?
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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-06 13:33 said:
NO WAY! Nobody will beat my 200!
It is PERFECT!
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 limone @ 2003-10-06 13:49 said:
AFAIR yes. Contest entries are out of 10/1000 or continuous post rules - correct me if I`m wrong.
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 limone @ 2003-10-06 14:21 said:
I have a nice 199, btw. ;-)
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mirka_ @ 2003-10-06 14:49 said:
I have my 200 since 5. August :-))
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 limone @ 2003-10-06 15:39 said:
I just made a spectacular 199 ;-)
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jpinho @ 2003-10-06 20:33 said:
damn....
This 197 dropped anchor...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-06 21:02 said:
LOL.....
I found out 3 nrs in my spare memory stick....
I am posting at 2L8
Eih JVC see my fire power....hehehe
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-06 21:18 said:
About the 200. How about allowing 2 (or 3) entries per person. After all what we think is our best photo may not be what other fotologgers consider the best? I think 2 entries per person max might be a good idea (by the way I haven`t any 200s at the moment).
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 limone @ 2003-10-06 21:41 said:
I have no problem with that. What do the other mods say?
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jpinho @ 2003-10-06 21:45 said:
I, one of the seq_nr_flogger hall of fame, say:
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!


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jvcbrasil @ 2003-10-06 21:46 said:
great idea, jimsk.. as i have both the best and the second best 200 shot of everybody here.... i`d like to post both ;)
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-06 21:53 said:
i think its kewl 2 b able 2 post more than 1!
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 super8mm @ 2003-10-06 21:57 said:
who`s gonna tally the votes ; -)
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 hukes @ 2003-10-06 22:27 said:
I think every participant should upload only one photo. She/he should be careful and wise to upload her/his best 200.

--Hugo
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 limone @ 2003-10-07 04:33 said:
I just realized why it is NOT a good idea to have more than 1 photo per participant: we have a posting limit of 50 pics in 24 hours. This means: if one person posts 2 pictures, 1 person less can participate in the contest. Think about it.
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 limone @ 2003-10-07 04:34 said:
we should start the timeframe in a way that we have the quota of 2 days though (which means: preferrably start it in the middle of the day, around high noon or so. ;-)) )
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 limone @ 2003-10-07 10:40 said:
If we have no 197 until 22:00 fotolog time, my suggestion is to use the 197 submitted by jvc (aka password) to 2late as a joker.
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-07 12:12 said:
Hmmm... I`ll have a look round but don`t expect miracles!
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metalfinger @ 2003-10-07 18:10 said:
Boring 197...
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-07 18:25 said:
Left my camera at home, so no 197 from me today. Haven`t seen (or rather noticed) one anyway.

Since commenting is closed during the uploading period for the # 200 contest, you are welcome to leave your questions and feedback here. :-)

The ending of the uploading time is Monday August 13th 12:05 pm flog time.

August 13th??

Edited by author 10-10-2003 12:41 PM
Hehe. Hukes wants the summer back. It's October 13, of course. I didn't notice either - I want the summer back, too! Thanks for pointing it out!

How to post my 200?
It's cloesed only for F/F

I don't know what is wrong with me. Of course it is October 13th. This is the third blunder in a day. ;)

Hi, I'd like to be added to friends and favorites @ seqential_numbers

cheers

kmc

It is not necessary to be in the f/f list of sequential_nmbrs to upload a photo. The f/f comment restriction is to keep the log clean while the 200 uploading time is in course. But you can upload your 200 photo.

@jvc: actually there is a photo from Italy in the archive:
113:
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=595112

*g*

Edited by author 10-10-2003 01:37 PM
@all: Note that the green banner is intentionally always on top of the left column - to make sure that people can read the announcement.

@hukes: I noticed the f/f leads to confusion - sorry. I thought it was a good idea so the admin could still leave administrative messages, but it can be switched on in case such a message is necessary.

@limone: Yeah, I noticed the date on the green banner. Clever.

Don't worry about the f/f confusion. I think it is clear now. :)

hey yall!
my 1st in here..
da contest is beginnin 2 roll
not that fast as we might have hoped but i guess we'll have bulk of it 2morrow or even l8r
there r a cuple o very nice numba'z already ;)

only f/f commentz that confusing?! ;o
*baffled*

@pat: yes 3 people were confused, I had a comment in my log as well re. f/f and supposedly impossible uploads.
I think the speed is ok, have a look at the 100s for comparison, I don't think we were faster then. We could announce the contest in the general fotolog QT board, though.
Good night! ;-)

it's picture and computer art.
I joined in the computer three pictures.
sorry if can't be like this

http://www.fotolog.net/cyan

well the rules say it must be a photo of a number. so the picture with just the number on it (if it's a photo) would be valid.

if u take yr 200 foto alone,
u can post it again cyan ;p

dang.. i really 4got 2 tell yall
we don't have a kewl votin banner yet..
so if anybody wantz 2 make a votin banner u could post it @ 2late..
if there r more than 1 we make a quickvote so we all can use the winning banner 2 get sum votez in!

It must be a real quick voting then, we have like 12 hrs before the voting stage starts.

Edited by author 10-13-2003 04:34 AM
actually I doubt we will have submissions by then but let's see - that would be a nice task for cyan :-)

I'm having problems uploading getting the image to show but I posted the vote banner

@Everyone: Voting time ends October 15th at 12:00 (noon) flogtime.

sorry about uploading two pics... the second was just to prove that i took it.. :)

cheers, and let the best pic win! :P

@leolecal: it's ok, your point was more than proven. ;)

actually I liked the second one even better *g* will we get to see it in 2late?

O.K.
Leolecal roxs!!!!
Let´s play....where is the GO 201????????
;_)

@limone
Do you ask: OBJECTIONS??
but only f/f can answer...

oops! sorry, forgot to open the comments. ;-)
The GO 201 banner won't come from me, though, I want the other mods to check back the results. I'm done for today. :-)

Wow, limone!! That was fast!! I'll check the results tonight at home. The winner is quite obvious. :)

Thanks limone!!!!

you are welcome. I was too curious to wait. :-)

@leolecal: we were discussing a higher submission quota for the winner, like allowing 15/100 postings instead of 10/100... apart from fame and glory, of course. *g*

(can't post to the flog gbook right now... §!"$"§%"§$&)

Is there something wrong with fotolog? I cannot get to sequential_nmbrs flog!

After some minutes I was able to upload the GO banner. But it was painfully slow!!

Thanks to metalfinger for the GO banner I am using. :)

Yeah but I thought we try w/o a GO banner from 201 on??

Oops! I forgot. Sorry. :)

guess we are pissing off everyone on seq numbers...

please specify why.
however, as you may have noticed, there's a hold banner right now. I'm waiting for word of the other mods.

saved discussion from hold_223:

10/23/03
Please hold your 223. 218 and 219 were posted by the same
fotologger. In the past we have agreed that if there`s no valid
submission for more than 48 hours it is possible to take a
submission despite of the 10/100 or the no subsequent 2 numbers
rule. Usually this is the case if the number is from a person
who has posted the last active number.

Strictly spoken, this would only have been possible after 218
had been up for 48 hours - so I`m passing the question to the
other mods. Shall we carry on or restart with GO 219?

-- limone

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 addadada @ 2003-10-23 21:15 said:
hey, its only a game...so, i will not be too crushed if you delete my 219...well, maybe ;)
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 jvc @ 2003-10-23 21:17 said:
restart 219!
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mendao01 @ 2003-10-23 21:21 said:
restart 219...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-23 21:24 said:
@adadadadadadada
We know that is only a fun game...but @bytepusher do not think like us...@byte thinks that seq_nmbr is a gambling.
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jpinho @ 2003-10-23 21:25 said:
Not restart 219!
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-23 21:25 said:
peace, folks! ;-)
I`m gone for today.

-- limone
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jpinho @ 2003-10-23 21:27 said:
Why restart?
We are strictly following the rules...
@jvc: In the past you used the 48hs rule.
;_)
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jpinho @ 2003-10-23 21:31 said:
Dudes
I´m going bed too.
Good night for all
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 jvc @ 2003-10-23 21:45 said:
jp, it`s not about the 48hs rule.. he send 2 in a row in just some seconds difference..
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-23 21:54 said:
The precendent set with 163/164 was that, as Olivia points out, the last active poster can repost after a 48 hour stall. In this case that would have been jvc again. I think we know where I stand, backup to 219.
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 jvc @ 2003-10-23 22:04 said:
yes.. byte is correct.. the 48 rule was ok for ME not for dadadadddada
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-23 22:16 said:
Oh, yah and we simply MUST make sure Olivia`s 221 is restored in the process.
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 jvc @ 2003-10-23 22:21 said:
now, byte is wrong.. sorry..
if u want to make sure limone`s 221 is restored, so we must make sure the 220 and 222 from jp is restored also... or everything or nothing!
As jp and limone played fairy, they should not be punished for adda`s error... like we did with the Lobo`s train number..
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-23 23:24 said:
if da 217 was there long enuff, was it?
evrybody [not only da last poster] could post 218, so dada did
[doesn`t count 4 10/100]
he [legally] posted 219 also [aamof 220 too [illegally]& modded by limone again]

yes dada u actually f*cked thingz up a bit.. plz don`t do that again
u like 2 stirr thingz up huh? ^o^
anywayz
so after jose`s 220 its back 2 normal, ain`t it?!
so let it roll! cuntinue da sequence :)

btw i`m 4 a 36 hrs rule instead of 48, whudya say?
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-23 23:26 said:
fair enough
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-23 23:42 said:
218 and 219 were not 48hrs away from each other, the date of the upload is October 23rd in both of the photos. I think we should respect the 48hrs rule and have another 219 uploaded.

As for the 36hrs rule, I am open to it. But I think the problem is now on respecting the rule, no matter if it is 24 or 36 hrs.

--Hugo
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hotpartypix @ 2003-10-24 01:06 said:
no hugo 48 hrs was for 218, after that evrybody could post 219
in this case dada did that
so there`s nuttin goin wrong, & dada just promissed me he wouldn`t stirrr evrything up again, ever :p
so let it roll! cuntinue da sequence! :)
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 05:50 said:
Pat.. u`re crazy in this point.. what 48 rule is for me is IF THERE IS 48 HS of WAIT of a number, than the same "sender" of the last number could post.. IT`S NOT THE CASE.. THERE WAS NO 48 HS between 218 and 219, SO, let`s go back and finish this discussion!

219 was not legally as Pat say.. no way! I had a 219 and MUST have at least 48 hs to post it.

i agree with Patz in da 36hs nu scheme ;)
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 05:52 said:
by the way, let`s go back to 217 so lyn can upload her/his (this is one problem of Fotolog.. should advise the sex) morbid beautiful 217 (if it is really a 217 and not a 2171 or 2172 cropped)
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 07:30 said:
217=@jvc
48hs= between 217 and 218
218=joker- do not count for rule 10/100 and do not count for 2 numbers in a row rule
@219=@adadadadada
@220=@jpinho
@221=@limone
@222=@jpinho
I do not understand why a lot of people is crying out!
What I, @adada and @limone have about the other were not "in air" or was at grocery ?
let´s movin on..
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lyn @ 2003-10-24 07:35 said:
i`m happy you liked the photo i posted to 2late :) but honestly, i didn`t post the photo to challenge the 217 in this group haha. if anyone’s interested in seeing the steps and raised burial plot where the number was taken, it`s on my flog...although the number was on the right side of the steps and it`s not clearly visible in the photo...hehehe maybe you should just leave things the way they are because i`m not online that much to keep up with things...this flog is a bit chaotic, but it very fun!
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 f4hr3nh3it @ 2003-10-24 09:24 said:
ehaeoiuhioaehaeuae
que fotolog muito loco!
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 11:06 said:
jp, it`s not what we understand of the rule!
jesus!! 218 WOULD BE a joker if I and ONLY I posted it.. It wasn`t ME so, as it was adda, it`s NOT a joker..
This is what i, Hugo, Byte and Limone understand.
The main law is the same floger can not post 2 numbers in row.. exception is if THE FIRST number of this row stayes more than 24 (now maybe 36) hours waiting for the next..
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sleepwalker @ 2003-10-24 11:29 said:
Well, if any one of you guys need a lawyer just let me know ;)
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:39 said:
...i just LOVE this site...i see it hasn`t changed a bit while i was gone...in a game, people come in 1st, 2nd and 3rd...and sometimes one person comes in all three! and sometimes life is not fair...like BUSH being president! Players realize that there are folks with numbers just ready to go, and when the time comes, they post...its a game...and one does not have rules like `ladies first`...timing & luck are everything in this game..just like life...! my #218 IS FAIR...do what you want with my #219...and my #220 was already taken down (hahaha)! Besides, i have some other numbers just waiting to be posted and they may trump YOURS!another machine gunen
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 12:42 said:
I appoint Mr. Sleepwalker my attorney.
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:43 said:
OH and adda dada NEVER promises NOT to stir things up...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:45 said:
i actually have become to like the HOLD YOUR #223 PLEASE sign...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 12:46 said:
@adadadadadada
I think better you appoint Mr Sleepwalker.....

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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 12:52 said:
Hey dudes...
let´s move on....I have a NICE 225.....cumon
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:53 said:
no lawyer for me for its all no big deal to me...its only a game. The SEQ #`s god makes the rules...not us. i abide by the SEQ #`s god`s rules... whatever they may be. SEQ #`s god can delete whatever SEQ #`s they choose...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:55 said:
ahh...someone else has a #225?????(said with a raised eyebrow) I see another `fotoshoot out at SEQ #`s` on the horizon...hummm the SEQ #`s gods are a trembling already...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 12:55 said:
@LLLIIIIMMMMMOOOONNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Where are you?
We really need your sweet and fair words...
;_)
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 12:57 said:
hopefully that bang i heard was a car backfiring and not the SEQ #`s gods attempt at suicide
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 limone @ 2003-10-24 13:42 said:
;-)

Edited by author 10-24-2003 05:14 PM
saved discussion from go_223:

10/24/03
From http://www.fotolog.net/limone/

GO 223.

OK. Seems the majority (also of the mods although Hugo votes for a rollback) wants to carry on.

Note: don`t make a rule of it. The usual procedure is: after a 48 hours break without upload a number may be uploaded as joker which would usually be against the 10/100 or "no 2 subsequent posts" rule. This was not the case here, it would have been if 217 and 218 had been from the same person, not 218 and 219.

And remember: if you really really want to get a certain number into the sequence it may be a clever idea to ask if somebody can help you out and upload it for you in case you are not near the computer.

Hugo, I hope it`s ok for you.
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 13:49 said:
@limone rulez!
@sleepwalker, you are dismissed!Thanx.

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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 13:54 said:
hahaha...jpinho....! addadada plays the joker...hey, did i ever tell everyone i was in the BATMAN comic book...really!...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 13:55 said:
now do we have to wait 48 hours for a damm 223 cause everyone is at the grocery store?
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 14:01 said:
i`m sorry.. but this is ridiculous.. u are throwing the rules into the garbage..

i`m here to have fun.. and i will still do it. of course..
but. this is still ridiculous..
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 14:03 said:
i only saw jp and pat agreeing with it.. that makes 2.. neither adda agreeded.. Where`s is the majority?
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 addadada @ 2003-10-24 14:04 said:
adda agrees..lets move on
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 14:08 said:
just understand i don`t wanna be a pain in the ass.. that`s all ok for me...

I`m just alerting that in the future, many things may happen without the rules compiance.. and nobody can complain of it.
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 limone @ 2003-10-24 14:09 said:
@jvc: we had a discussion over the mail too. super8 agreed with pat`s argumentation as far as I understood it.

note: I have no personal interest here. I will post my 221 to 2late if necessary and ask if somebody wants to submit it in case I`m not there if there`s a rollback, but I really don`t want several days of discussion here, that`s not the spirit of the log.

The "no 2 subsequent posts" rule was there before the 10/100 rule, to prevent that one fotologger dominates the submissions. However, from what I understand the 10/100 rule prevents such a domination anyway so I wonder if the "no 2 subsequent posts" rule is up to date anyway... if you like, this can be discussed in the discussion board:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28
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 limone @ 2003-10-24 14:17 said:
@jvc: I don`t think that we will have chaos that way because the last word on the rules has always the mod. The rules are a guideline, but just like in real life you sometimes have to take the circumstances into consideration.

However, like I said, DON`T MAKE A RULE OF IT!
Next time I will probably simply go to bed and wait if somebody else makes a decision. ;-)
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-24 14:23 said:
wow! I disappear for a few days & miss all the fun! And I was still looking for a 218 om the way to work today :-P And I was kind of hoping that we`d reach 100 comments in the guestbook for the previous page!
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jpinho @ 2003-10-24 14:33 said:
@jvc
Oi meu amigo, calma ....isso aqui é para nossa diversão e prazer e não pra aumentar o stress e a pressão...ce tá mais parecendo um gringo do que eles próprios.
Eu não quis me aproveitar de regra e pra mim as 48 hs tanto fazia,se com 217/218 ou 218/219.. etc, etc...na hora foi até gozado, pois parecia um tiroteio de fotos de numeros....
Eu acabei indo no embalo e coloquei 2 numeros e agora to quase pendurado com 4....fiz foi m...
Abraços
jpinho
Sorry dudes, to have written the above in portuguese....
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 eye @ 2003-10-24 15:38 said:
Hey.. i`m ok.. i just always accepted the rules.. and don`t understand people that always defended them are bow defending to break them! No Sense..

but.. that`s ok as for me it`s all fun.. i accept everything.. i don`t earn anything with this and i`m not part of interest in this specific case.. as i don`t want to upload any of these numbers (in reverse.. i want to give my 217 place to lyn..)
i just want people to follow the rules these ppl made..
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 15:39 said:
grr.. eye=jvc
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 jvc @ 2003-10-24 15:40 said:
here.. in this message.. hehe.. eye is me, not pat
i always do this confusion! sh*t
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 limone @ 2003-10-24 17:12 said:
@jvc: I can only explain my point of view, we have discussed in the mods circle that the rules turned to strict and it would be a wise idea to loose them a little from 201 on. That may explain why you get the impression that people who always defended the rules are now defending to break them as you put it. I don`t totally agree with that, though, because in that case it was open to interpretation, pat expressed it very well.

At one point, somebody wrote in the comments that we sound like a bunch of lawyers, and he was right. And I had the impression that a lot of the fun that lived here for the first 100 numbers was about to be buried under lengthy rules discussion, and people were rather discussing rule-compliance than the beauty of a picture. Have a look at the ruler 180, there`s part of the discussion.
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 limone @ 2003-10-24 17:13 said:
Personally, I was never the one who wanted too strict rules, and I had always to defend my numbers which were sometimes considered too small and I wanted them like that because of the overall composition of the image. And I started to miss the "innocent" spirit of the early days.

So what I am doing here is to get a little of this spirit back. It`s not easy though, because that doesn`t mean that the doors should be open to cheating or abuse of that "freedom", as it sometimes happened in the past. For example, stolen images will never stay here if we find out about them. Or fake numbers, made-up numbers, anything that`s not in the spirit of the hunt.

Hope that could clarify it a little.

@limone: Well, it is ok for me to continue (it was since the idea first arose). But I wanted the rollback cause I wouldn't like to bend the rules again. :)

Edited by author 10-25-2003 12:49 PM
I understand :-) I wouldn't probably have done it if pat's argumentation hadn't sounded so logical, but I have stated that it's not the usual procedure so I don't think we'll have the same thing happening again...

Dear Friends

1)Since last week I had observed the numbers around me and could verify that:
1-100= very easy to find
101-250= easy to find
251-350 = difficult to find
351 –…= very difficult to find

2) The new fotologers that updated valid numbers to seq_numb were rares, They upload 1 and never more…..

3) The most part of the new fotologers only said: nice, wow, interesting, ……

4) The most part of the numbers was uploaded by 10 crazy guys

5) The interval time between 2 numbers trends to increase day by day, with some exception like 250, 260, 270,….

In my opinion, the above means that the end of seq_numba is coming fast or due to the difficulty to find numbers or people, like us, will give up due to lost the fun.


We need to think about the rules in order to have one more flexible and easy, this way we have a long life.

well what changes would you have in mind to improve the situation?

-limone: I really do not have ideas about this issue in my mind - I only decided to put this question to discuss.
I am worry about the seq_numba to loose our interest in the near future.

saved discussion from deleted zoomed 238:

10/31/03
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popdesign @ 2003-10-31 11:31 said:
is that ok??? 239??? :)
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limone @ 2003-10-31 11:34 said:
for me it is. ;-)
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jvc @ 2003-10-31 11:41 said:
so, Go 239! ;)
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patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 11:50 said:
why didn`t u put it on da scanner?!
apart from da fact i still think da focuss sxxx,
this numba D-serves a much better view, real original :)
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patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 11:51 said:

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jpinho @ 2003-10-31 12:05 said:
-limone
238 with jpinho trademark....LOL
;_)))))
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bytepusher @ 2003-10-31 12:15 said:
I don`t know, now this looks faked to me...and I really don`t like these insets...but I`m not wanting to hold the game up nor second guess Olivia`s judgement...

Problem is I`m now 50km from home and won`t be able to rescan for hours so let`s just go on to 239 or delete these and rollback to 238, either way it`s OK with me...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-31 12:15 said:
byte is a rich man, each viewmaster costs USD 15 at antique market....
15usd x 2500 = USD 37.500
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addadada @ 2003-10-31 12:18 said:
wow...byte! this is so cool...great new number source
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limone @ 2003-10-31 12:26 said:
hey bytepusher it`s your pic!! this version is just a suggestion, if you don`t like what I made with it it`s ok...
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limone @ 2003-10-31 12:27 said:
BTW, it`s not really a problem to re-upload a few numbers, so we can as well move on and re-upload stuff as soon as we have a decent version of this 238.

-- limone
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-31 09:43 said:
This is as good as it gets with a point and shoot digicam, this is not a question of focus so much as extreme zoom and cropping, if I had a $2000+ DLSR with a macro lens then maybe...I could put this on the flatbed scanner but that IMHO would be cheating...
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 10:44 said:
no man yr really wrong.. & i mean really..
with almost evry cam u can make close upz,
but may-b not that close as u want it 2 B..
itz way better 2 take sum more distance & get it really focussed [& zoom with program] than this oof sh!t [sorry but it is..]
& u have 2 keep tryin & tryin, work it my friend!
it really isn`t about X-pensive camz p
its about learnin 2 use yr gear!

zoom with a photo editing program, but
zoomin = loss of quality! [more than 100% even focus!]
so never zoom more then 100%
loadz of freeware available.. want da real stuff? kazaalite away ;)

just a cuple o centz..

btw if u can`t get it focussed
please do put this on the flatbed scanner
wouldn`t b cheatin, it would B doin our eyez a big favour ^_^
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 limone @ 2003-10-31 10:49 said:
hey scanning it is ok! that`s another sort of photo, if you will.
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-31 11:15 said:
Fact of the matter is that with ANY camera there is a minimum distance you must maintain to get focus, with most p&s digicams this is somewhere well in excess of 50cm and it`s very hard to actually find the focus since AF doesn`t work at this range and manual focus is a crapshoot, visually through the viewfinder or even on the LCD the difference between crisp focus and slight fuzzy is not viewable, I shot this half a dozen times touching the focus one tick per shot and this is the best I got. You can get much closer with a macro specific lens, this is simply a matter of the limits of the focus range of the glass in the lens and manual focus with a SLR is also somewhat easier since the focus through the viewfinder actually works.

So to shoot something like this it becomes very difficult, you must back up far enough that zooming results in the grainyness you see here....

Now I`m not wedded to this number if someone has a 238 that pat would like then go ahead. I`ve got 2500 of these viewmaster reels I can do another one later...


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jpinho @ 2003-10-31 11:20 said:
We are day by day more exigent.
For me the theme has more value than the photo quality...
This 238 is gr8 and unique...focus in this case in not a major point to be taken in our consideration

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 limone @ 2003-10-31 11:20 said:
why not scan it? that would be fine.
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 jvc @ 2003-10-31 11:25 said:
I agree with jp..

There`s nothing aggainst focus in the rule.. so, it`s valid..

The first one shot is cool.. we can change it later, when Byte finally scans it.
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-31 11:35 said:
Changing it later is a pain for the mods, I say we just nuke these, open up 238 again and if 238 is still open this evening after work and the kiddies have been around for the free candy then I`ll scan and upload, again, I have lots of these reels and I`m not attached to this particular number...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 12:19 said:
hey..we are...its a good number..new source...very cool
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-31 12:34 said:
@bytepusher: I think we can manage to re-upload a few pix, I don`t expect 20 pics to appear in the meantime... it would be nice to have the originals though to prevent quality loss

-- limone
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-31 12:36 said:
the problem is always just that we lose the comments or have to copy+paste them into the image description. that`s all. and of course not a desirable rule. ;-)

-- limone
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 13:08 said:
2500? thats friggin alot man!
well like u said not wedded ;p so lets open up & call 4 anutha 238

btw byte what cam r u usin?
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 13:10 said:
@jose: `focus in this case in not a major point to be taken in our consideration`??
without @least sum focus there is no photography man :)
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sleepwalker @ 2003-10-31 13:41 said:
I think it is compliance ... it is a bit out of focus ... but ... who isn`t !??! :)
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jpinho @ 2003-10-31 13:41 said:
@pat: You understand what I said...plz do not take my words to the limits....
You know my job and has seen how I take care with this question...but some guys do not pay attention to quality
;_)

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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:12 said:
well...some fotos are meant to be out of focus...its called art vs a snapshot.
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:18 said:
this 238 is out of focus and should be in focus for it is a technical foto and not an art foto. ===the 239 on 2late can actually be interpeted as an art foto...the grain of the foto is actually inhancing the total concept of speed, movement, rain. to have the number 239 out of focus is in the spirit of the foto. it is an art foto.===one can take a very crisp technically perfect foto and have it be arty also. it would depend on the positioning of the camera, the angle, the subject, and the actually number...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:25 said:
i would look at SEQ #`s 235,229,227,224,223,217,216,213,211,208,205,204,200,197,188,185,175,and 171 for example as art. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THOSE FOTOS THAT CAPTURES ONES INTEREST BESIDES THE ACTUAL NUMBER. The other numbers in that series would be just considered a foto of a number; a technical foto, no intrinsit value except for the number.
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 limone @ 2003-10-31 14:32 said:
199 not? :...(
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 limone @ 2003-10-31 14:34 said:
or 176... (the numbered horse)
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:42 said:
horse....not really arty...its more arsey...hahah
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:45 said:
199..yes yes yes..very cool foto...sorry i missed it..
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 addadada @ 2003-10-31 14:51 said:
208 by `pat` is one of the best
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popdesign @ 2003-10-31 15:53 said:
well i have problems to focus with my cam. i take the pics with the highest resolution to get the number then i put a thumbnail of the whole stuff. i think in that case bytepusher should use a scanner. i think it`s better...
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popdesign @ 2003-10-31 15:54 said:
i think people are doing their best to keep the game alive.
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 jimsk @ 2003-10-31 16:17 said:
Interesting discussion. I`d also like to know what camera you`re using bytepusher. My story: I used to be unsatisfied with the autofocus on my Fuji A300 (macro down to 10cm) and the auto and manual focus on the Canon A70 (limit 5cm) for much the same reasons. On the Canon where I have manual control I thought closing the aperture to F8 would help since then an exact focus isn`t such a big issue. However the exposure time increased so much that camera shake became a problem. Things improved quite a bit when I started using a tripod with the timer on the camera, eliminating the camera shake. Using the timer is very important as it gets rid of the shake when the button is pressed. Oh, and I too *always* use the camera on maximum resolution.
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 20:16 said:
@dada: thnx 4 da propz on 208, but i like da rejected 208 @ 2late or 184 [from same source] much more!
but what about el numero ocho?! ^_^

@jim: yr rite alwayz max reso!
still haven`t tried a tripod yet, gotta do it..

i have a p&s cam with an AF macrosetting 2.. so it is possible!

saved discussion from 1st 238 version:

10/31/03
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lchico @ 2003-10-31 09:31 said:
Is that number readable from the thumbnail??
I guess not....
Limone, Pat, I`m gonna hold my 239 because that one doesn`t make sense, specially after reading Pat`s OOF fobia!!! hehe, LOL
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 jvc @ 2003-10-31 10:12 said:
It`s readable from thumbnail..
this one is better then the other.. but bad in focus :((
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 10:47 said:
lol@lchico

byte, C next..
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-31 10:48 said:

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jpinho @ 2003-10-31 11:21 said:
We are day by day more exigent.
For me the theme has more value than the photo quality...
This 238 is gr8 and unique...focus in this case in not a major point to be taken in our consideration

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mirka @ 2003-10-31 13:51 said:
I like this version better, too ... and it really is readable from the thumb on my screen ... not super good, but it IS

Edited by author 10-31-2003 09:26 PM
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10/29/03
Please hold you 238, to give time to upload again Coke 237!!
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-29 23:14 said:
whaaat that ugly oof 237 again?
u gotta B kiddin!! :((
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2003-10-29 23:16 said:
Sorry, pat, it is rule compliant.

--Hugo.
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-29 23:25 said:
well then we have 2 change it!!
this is about numberz & photography,
& whatz photography without focusssssss?!?!
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jpinho @ 2003-10-30 10:43 said:
-hugo
What is the name of this font?
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 addadada @ 2003-10-30 12:27 said:
sorry about the 236...i did get another...its a CALIFORNIA licence plate...but 233 was one too...
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 bytepusher @ 2003-10-30 12:59 said:
Mods can clarify but I think the general consensus on license plates is that they are OK as long as they come from different juristicitions so California should be fair game...
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jpinho @ 2003-10-30 13:06 said:
I agree with byte.
license plate from Rio de Janeiro is not equal of l.p. from New York or Florianopolis...
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spacetramp @ 2003-10-30 14:22 said:
Yeah neat Font!
PS. i have a nice 240 waiting....
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 addadada @ 2003-10-30 16:11 said:
oh oh spacetramp...#240??? watch out...there may be a `foto-shoot out at SEQ #`s`
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 limone @ 2003-10-30 19:15 said:
U2? I have a nice 240 too, sent my way by another fotologger who can`t participate regularly currently due to illness... that will be a nice shootout, I believe we have 4 of those by now *g*


saved discussion from 1st 236:

10/28/03
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#236...GYM LOCKER
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 limone @ 2003-10-28 17:34 said:
why did that take so long? *g*
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 addadada @ 2003-10-28 19:49 said:
oh oh...it is going by by...i took a 153 (?)when i was a virgin SEQ #`s guy ..oh my...this is a dup type number..sorry...
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 addadada @ 2003-10-28 19:56 said:
R.I.P. #236
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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-28 20:09 said:

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 patisfaction @ 2003-10-28 20:12 said:
my 208 got cancelled b-cuz of 184 from same source..
i said this b4, but i wanna vote 4 stay if it is used 1 time evry 100..

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 limone @ 2003-10-28 20:49 said:
@pat: for me that sounds ok.
otherwise somebody put up a go236. I`m off to bed. ;-)
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 jvc @ 2003-10-29 05:10 said:
oh my.. mods again want to change rules..
is that only for adda numbers?
i think u estimulate his funny, but not correct, attitute:

jvc @ 2003-10-27 19:01 said:
lol
again adda?? u again thought i was posting in the wrong place ;)
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addadada @ 2003-10-27 19:05 said:
i just can`t get them rules down..guess i should read them...i just post them, and limone, hugo and crew deal with it... ;)


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 addadada @ 2003-10-30 12:29 said:
sorry, bout this 236.. completely forgot it was used long, long ago when adda was just a SEQ NUMBER VIRGIN...so i walked out the door and saw a license plate with 236...is that an ok?
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 addadada @ 2003-10-30 17:44 said:
r.i.p. #236

TO THE MODS: I suggest you to post an image asking the visitors of /sequential_nmbrs to come here to continue discussions, while fotolog.net comments are disabled.

Oh no! I have missed 280 by just a few numbers! Where is the other flog where unused or "latecomers" can post?

Proposed REWORDED English Rules for sequential_numberz

These are the same rules we have been playing under (I hope) just reworded to be a little clearer, especially for new players.

The objective of this game is to find and photograph unique numbers and post them here in sequential order. The competitive aspect of the game is to be the first person to post a particular number.

Rules:
1) Numbers must be FOUND
a) No number that the photographer created to photograph is permitted. Additionally no number that by appearance looks like it could have been created by the photographer is allowed, in particular this means no:
i) Hand written (including graffiti) numbers unless it is otherwise clear from the context that they had to be pre-existing
ii) Computer printouts and typed documents, unless it is otherwise clear from the context that they had to be pre-existing
iii) Digital displays where the user can enter numbers (calculators, cell phones, microwave ovens, TV’s etc)
b) Numbers must be presented as found. No digital manipulation of the subject number is permitted. Cropping and placing insets to show context are allowed as is anything that does not change the main number.
2) Numbers must be PHOTOGRAPHED by the entrant
a) Entries must be pictures that you have taken yourself (this is also a requirement of the fotolog terms of service). Pictures taken by someone else are not acceptable and will be deleted. This includes scans of photos out of books or magazines and pictures from the web.
3) The entry must be a photo of ONE NUMBER
a) The number must stand alone in the picture and it must be evident from the composition that the number is the subject of the picture. By “stand alone” we mean that the number cannot be part of a larger contiguous number, in particular extra zeros to the left of the number are not permitted.
b) If other numbers appear in the photo they must be clearly less prominent (i.e. smaller and otherwise visually distinct from the subject number) and they must have a clear space separating them from the subject number.
c) The subject number must be clearly visible when the picture is reduced to fotolog thumbnail size (100 x 75 pixels).
4) The number must be UNIQUE
a) Once a number has been used from a source another number from that source is prohibited unless it is visually substantially different. For example, once a hotel door number has been posted, any other door number from that hotel is not permitted; any other number that substantially resembles that number (i.e. same colour, typeface and background) cannot be used even if it is collected from a different source.
b) In the case of car license plates, only one license plate per jurisdiction is permitted.
5) In order to make the game an appropriate level of difficulty some number sources are prohibited as being too easy:
a) Numbers from books (page, chapter, figure numbers etc.)
b) Numbers from maps
c) Numbers from any numbered list (crossword clues, ‘best of’ lists etc.)
6) In order to keep the game open to many players we limit the number of numbers a single player can post.
a) No player can post two numbers in a row.
b) No player can post more than 10 of the numbers in a block of 100 numbers (e.g. 100-200 etc).
7) In order to keep the game moving if 36 hours pass without a number being posted then anyone who is prohibited from posting a number by rule #6 can post. A posting made after a 36 hour wait where the users was not covered by rule #6 does not confer any other privileges, specifically if a user has not already posted 10 numbers a posting after 36 hours still counts towards their count of 10 numbers. This is done to prevent users from intentionally delaying postings to earn more future slots thus slowing down the game.
8) When you see a number posted, you can post the next number, there is no need to wait for a banner or other notification
9) If the moderator must delete a number for a rules violation then that number and all of the subsequent numbers are deleted and the game starts over at the last valid number before the violation. Therefore be sure to watch the game in case you need to replay a number.
10) These rules have evolved over time and in the past some numbers may have been posted that no longer fit the current rules. Old numbers that exist outside of the current rules will be allowed to stand but they do not set a precedent for the future, all postings must adhere to the rules as written at the time of posting.

Thanks, bytepusher.

I think the rules are clear the way you rewrote them. Maybe, we mods were so immerse in the rules that for us they were clear enough.

Let's see what the other mods think.

Hugo.

Good initiative bytepusher.

New rules look fine to me.

If everyone agrees with new rules I can help translate it to portuguese.

Nevertheless, I believe that too many rules may make new participants afraid to participate. In order to avoid this, we should only put something like:

# – If in doubt about any one of the above paragraphs just post your number, the mods will be the judge.

Other issue that people always complain when I am playing poker is that I made a lot of rules and this slows down the games discussing the rules, but I believe that we already did a lot of this in the past 100 number. To have all the “common sense” rules written now seen as a good thing.

Sounds like a good idea, basically, just a few comments:

> 2) Numbers must be PHOTOGRAPHED by the entrant
> a) Entries must be pictures that you have taken yourself (this is also a
> requirement of the fotolog terms of service). Pictures taken by someone
> else are not acceptable and will be deleted. This includes scans of
> photos out of books or magazines and pictures from the web.

It should be possible to upload a number for a friend who is not able to upload the number in time, though - while giving him/her credit, of course. But the friend must have asked for the upload.

> a) Once a number has been used from a source another number from
> that source is prohibited unless it is visually substantially
> different. For example, once a hotel door number has been posted,
> any other door number from that hotel is not permitted; any other
> number that substantially resembles that number (i.e. same
> colour, typeface and background) cannot be used even if it is
> collected from a different source.

That could become difficult esp. with license plates. The
typeface for license plates is always the same within one
country, at least in my country.

> b) In the case of car license plates, only one license
> plate per jurisdiction is permitted.

What does "jurisdiction" mean? Country? City? I would rather limit the number of plate pictures per participant and 100s. We need them to fill the gaps, since it's more and more difficult to find numbers anyway.

As soon as we agreed on the new rules, we need a translation into Portuguese, plus I was asked to provide a German version.

limone, I can translate into German if you want an assist. Just let me know.

@pieplate: thanks. I will remember that! Are you German? (I am *g*)

-byte

I have only one doubt, in the past mirka posted:
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=1280704

This is valid according with your rewitrable rules?

I have two questions:

1. About numbers from books, ok it's prohibited page, chapter, figure numbers etc. But if the number appear in the middle of the text? Can I post?

2. Why it's not accepted left zeros? In Brasil, the license plates have 4 numbers, and so they are all invalid until 1000! For example, just now, my license plate is 0287, and I can't use it, and the game is stopped because no one have the 287! I think a 0287 = 287, why not? Well, thats my opinion...

For numbers in text, this would be OK as long as it does not cause a problem with the rule about typed documents, so you ghave to be able to see that it is not a typed or computer printed document, so for example the 179 that is a price from a catalogue would be OK because you can see that this was not just a laser printout. If you can't tell the difference between something from a book and something the could have been printed on a laser printer then it's no good.

I should like to know when am I allowed to post a number? If I have two following ones and I manage to post it, when can I post the next? Starting when from our time? (I am in Germany)

Edited by author 12-13-2003 03:45 PM
Also mir scheint, wir brauchen die Regeln auch ganz dringend in einer deutschen Fassung ... ich rätsel bei manchen Sachen auch immer noch ein bißchen rum ... wäre schön, wenn das mal jemand übersetzen würde.

Die deutsche Fassung kommt mit der Neufassung der Regeln, hier aber mal die Expressversion, die ich heute an Dimilinchen verschickt habe:

- Es müssen fortlaufende Nummern sein, die man vorfindet, also
keine selbstgemachten (gedruckten, gemalten, gebastelten etc.)

- Jeder darf 10 Nummern pro 100 einschicken, aber keine 2
hintereinander

AUSNAHME: wenn es 36 Stunden lang keine neue Nummer gegeben hat,
darf man auch dann eine einschicken, wenn man die vorherige
hatte und/oder wenn man schon 10 Nummern eingeschickt hat.
(Joker)

Damit soll verhindert werden, dass einzelne Leute das Log
fluten, wie wir es in der Vergangenheit schon hatten.

Nur selber gemachte Fotos, d. h. keine Screenshots, geklauten
Fotos etc.

Die Nummer darf nicht Teil einer größeren Nummer sein, auch
führende Nullen sind nicht erlaubt.

Die Nummer muß jedesmal von einer anderen Quelle stammen, sprich
nicht 2 Nummern vom gleichen Haus oder Hotelflur oder ähnliches.

Keine numerierten Listen (zu einfach)

Keine Buchinhalte oder ähnliches (zu einfach)

Pieplate hatte sich schon mal angeboten für die Übersetzung (sie ist Amerikanerin, hat aber Germanistik studiert), wobei es natürlich sinniger wäre, wenn es ein Muttersprachler macht, nur ich habe im Moment einfach keine Zeit für sowas. Wenn ich zwischendurch mal Zeit habe, mach ich's - aber es soll ja wenn auch stimmen und nicht dahingeschludert sein.

Pandarine liest hier nicht mit, oder? Die ist nämlich quasi zweisprachig...

Mochmals vielen Dank Limone. Mir genügt das. Ich benötige keine umfangreichere Übersetzung.

Edited by author 12-15-2003 07:23 AM
# 300 contest rules - English and German
Could somebody please translate it into Portuguese?

===========================================================
OK, here are the rules for the contest:

The contest will have three phases:

phase 1: submission period (48 hours)

phase 2: voting period (48 hours)

phase 3: vote counting period and announcement of the winner


PHASE 1/Submission period:

Duration: 48 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: upload your 300" banner uploaded by one of the mods

Please upload your #300 submission. Rules for the submissions are:

- pictures must comply with the sequential_nmbrs rules (see "about"), most importantly: they must be your own work. If you submit a picture for another fotologger, it must be with his/her consent and stated clearly in the description.

- only one submission per fotologger. If you submit more than one, only the first submission will count, other submissions will be deleted.

- participating fotologs must be at least one week old (just to ensure that people don't open new logs to get more than one submission in)

- Note: you can participate even if you have used your 10/100 quota, also if you have submitted #299 or plan to submit #301.

During phase 1, commenting will not be possible. For discussions, please use the QT discussion board linked under the f/f list:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Voting period:

Duration: 48 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: cast your votes" banner uploaded by one of the mods.
(Difference to previous contests: Votes entered after 48 hours, but before upload of the banner will be valid.)

Commenting will be re-enabled right after uploading the banner. The first comment by the mod who uploaded the banner will serve as timestamp for the banner. The rules for voting:

- Only one vote per fotologger
- You cannot vote for your own picture
- Cast your vote by writing a comment "I vote for this one" under the picture of your choice

Other comments will be deleted. You can still use the discussion board for other comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Vote counting period:

Duration: as long as it takes to count the votes ;-)
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: voting is closed" banner.

Commenting will be disabled during phase 3.

Please use the discussion board for comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

After the votes are tallied, we will announce the winner. The winning #300 will stay. The others will be deleted - if you want your #300 to stay, please upload it after the contest to http://www.fotolog.net/2late. If you have more than one #300, please also upload it to 2late.


And, one of the most important questions:

WHAT WILL BE THE PRIZE??

First of all, fame, of course.

Second, the winner will get a higher quota for uploading pictures: 15/100. Which means, (s)he can upload up to 15 numbers between 301 and 399 instead of usually 10.

(Why this rule? To make sure that all participants have a fair chance to submit numbers)

===========================================================

German version/Deutsche Version:

Hier sind die Regeln für den Wettbewerb:

Der Wettbewerb besteht aus drei Phasen:

Phase 1: Einsendungsphase (48 Stunden)

Phase 2: Abstimmungsphase (48 Stunden)

Phase 3: Stimmen-Auszählungsphase und Bekanntmachung des Gewinners


PHASE 1/Einsendungsphase:

Dauer: 48 Stunden
Beginn: wird durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: upload your 300" angezeigt werden, das einer der Moderatoren hochlädt

Bitte lade dann deine #300 hoch. Regeln für die Einsendungen:

- Die Bilder müssen den Regeln für sequential_nmbrs (siehe "about") entsprechen. Das wichtigste: sie müssen deine eigene Arbeit sein. Wenn du ein Bild für einen anderen Fotologger hochlädst, muss er/sie damit einverstanden sein, und es muss klar aus der Bildbeschreibung hervorgehen.

- Nur eine Einsendung pro Fotologger. Wenn du mehr als ein Bild hochlädst, wird nur die erste Einsendung zählen, andere Einsendungen werden gelöscht.

- Teilnehmende Fotologs müssen mindestens eine Woche alt sein (nur um sicherzustellen, dass keiner ein neues Log eröffnet, nur um mehr als ein Bild einreichen zu können)

- Achtung: du kannst teilnehmen, auch wenn du schon deine 10/100 Quote erfüllt hast, ebenso falls du #299 eingeschickt hast oder #301 einschicken willst.

Während Phase 1 wird die Kommentarfunktion ausgeschaltet. Für Diskussionen bitte das QT Diskussionsbrett verwenden, das unter der F/F-Liste verlinkt ist:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Abstimmungsphase:

Dauer: 48 Stunden
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: cast your votes", das durch einen der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird. Als Zeitstempel zählt der erste Kommentar des Moderators unter diesem Banner.
(Anders als bei den bisherigen Wettbewerben sind Stimmen, die nach Ablauf von 48 Stunden aber vor Hochladen des Banners abgegeben wurden, gültig)

Die Kommentarfunktion wird sofort nach Hochladen des Banners wieder geöffnet. Die Regeln für die Abstimmung:

- Nur eine Stimme pro Fotologger
- Du kannst nicht für dein eigenes Bild stimmen
- Stimme ab, indem du unter das Bild deiner Wahl einen Kommentar schreibst mit dem Text "I vote for this one".

Andere Kommentare werden gelöscht. Ihr könnt weiterhin das Diskussionsforum benutzen, um andere Kommentare abzugeben oder Bilder zu diskutieren:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Stimmen-Auszählungsphase:

Dauer: so lange, wie wir brauchen, um die Stimmen zu zählen ;-)
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: voting is closed", das von einem der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird.

Die Kommentarfunktion ist ausgeschaltet während Phase 3.

Bitte benutzt das Diskussionsforum für Kommentare oder Bilderdiskussionen:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

Nachdem die Stimmen ausgezählt sind, wird der Gewinner bekanntgegeben. Die Sieger-300 wird in der Sequenz bleiben. Die anderen werden gelöscht. Wenn du willst, dass deine 300 bleibt, lade sie nach dem Wettbewerb in http://www.fotolog.net/2late hoch. Wenn du mehr als eine 300 hast, die überzähligen bitte ebenfalls in 2late hochladen.


Und, eine der wichtigsten Fragen:

WAS GIBT ES ZU GEWINNEN?

Als erstes natürlich: Ruhm.

Zweitens: der Gewinner erhält ein höheres Upload-Guthaben: 15/100. Das bedeutet, er/sie kann bis zu 15 Nummern zwischen 301 und 399 hochladen statt normalerweise nur 10.

(Warum diese Regel? Um sicher zu stellen, dass alle Teilnehmer eine faire Chance haben, Nummern einzustellen)

OOOPPPPPSSSSSS!!!! Sorry

C the complete rules:
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ #300 CONTEST - REGRAS

O concurso terá 3 fases:
Fase 1 : período em que os 300 serão submetidos (48 horas)
Fase 2: Período em que os 300 serão submetidos a votação (48 horas)
Fase 3: Contagem dos votos e anúncio do vencedor

FASE 1 : Período de Submissão

-O período de submissão terá a duração de 48 horas

-O início de contagem de tempo será através do aviso colocado por um dos moderadores: "#300 contest: upload your 300" banner uploaded by one of the mods”

As regras para submeter os números 300 são:
-Os números deverão estar estritamente dentro das regras do Seq_Numbrs (veja no “ about “) e o mais importante, ele deverá ser um trabalho seu.
-Se você submeter um número de outro fotologger este deverá dar o seu consentimento e estar citado claramente nos comentários.
-Somente será permitido um número 300 por fotologger. Se você fizer o upload de mais de um numero, será válido o primeiro e o moderador apagará os restantes.

-A participação está restrita a fotologgers com mais de uma semana de existência – isto para que não seja possível fazer mais de uma submissão (um fotologger poderia abrir um fotolog novo e fazer em seguida um upload – espertinhos não!)

-Nota: poderá participar mesmo aqueles que já tenham utilizado a sua quota de 10/100 ou que tenha submetido o 299 ou planeja submeter o 301.

-Durante a fase 1, não será possível fazer comentários, para discussões, use QT discussion board no link: http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 2 : Período de Votação

Duração: 48 horas

Início da votação: indicado através de um aviso colocado por um moderador “ # 300 contest : cast your votes” – diferentemente do anterior , votos que forem dados depois das 48 horas mas antes do upload do banner serão considerados válidos

Os comentários estarão novamente disponíveis após o upload do aviso. O primeiro comentário do moderador responsável por este aviso será considerado o tempo inicial para contagem das 48hs.

-Somente um voto por fotologger
-Você não pode votar em seu próprio número
-Vote escrevendo o seguinte: “I vote for this one”, embaixo do número 300 que você escolheu
-Outros comentários serão apagados. Você pode ainda utilizar o QT discussion board para outros comentários ou discussões sobre números:
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 3 : Período de Votação

Duração: O suficiente para fazer a contagem dos votos

Inicio da contagem: Será indicado com o aviso: “# 300 voting is closed”

Não haverá comentários na fase 3, por favor use o QT board para discussões
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28
Depois de todos os votos serem apurados, nós anunciaremos o VENCEDOR. O #300 vencedor então permanecerá, os outros que participaram da competição deverão ser colocados em http://fotolog.net/2late . Se você possui mais de um #300, por favor coloque-o no 2late.


E a mais importante questão:

QUAL SERÁ O PRÊMIO????

Primeiro de tudo a FAMA, é claro.

Segundo, o vencedor terá direito a uma quota de números de 15/100, o que significa poder submeter na série 301 – 399, 15 números ao invés dos usuais 10.

(Por que desta regra? Para que todos os participantes tenham uma chance justa de poderem submeter seus números)

These are the rules for the contest:

# 300 contest rules

===========================================================
OK, here are the rules for the contest:

The contest will have three phases:

phase 1: submission period (48 hours)

phase 2: voting period (48 hours)

phase 3: vote counting period and announcement of the winner


PHASE 1/Submission period:

Duration: 48 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: upload your 300" banner uploaded by one of the mods

Please upload your #300 submission. Rules for the submissions are:

- pictures must comply with the sequential_nmbrs rules (see "about"), most importantly: they must be your own work. If you submit a picture for another fotologger, it must be with his/her consent and stated clearly in the description.

- only one submission per fotologger. If you submit more than one, only the first submission will count, other submissions will be deleted.

- participating fotologs must be at least one week old (just to ensure that people don't open new logs to get more than one submission in)

- Note: you can participate even if you have used your 10/100 quota, also if you have submitted #299 or plan to submit #301.

During phase 1, commenting will not be possible. For discussions, please use the QT discussion board linked under the f/f list:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Voting period:

Duration: 48 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: cast your votes" banner uploaded by one of the mods.
(Difference to previous contests: Votes entered after 48 hours, but before upload of the banner will be valid.)

Commenting will be re-enabled right after uploading the banner. The first comment by the mod who uploaded the banner will serve as timestamp for the banner. The rules for voting:

- Only one vote per fotologger
- You cannot vote for your own picture
- Cast your vote by writing a comment "I vote for this one" under the picture of your choice

Other comments will be deleted. You can still use the discussion board for other comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Vote counting period:

Duration: as long as it takes to count the votes ;-)
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#300 contest: voting is closed" banner.

Commenting will be disabled during phase 3.

Please use the discussion board for comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

After the votes are tallied, we will announce the winner. The winning #300 will stay. The others will be deleted - if you want your #300 to stay, please upload it after the contest to http://www.fotolog.net/2late. If you have more than one #300, please also upload it to 2late.


And, one of the most important questions:

WHAT WILL BE THE PRIZE??

First of all, fame, of course.

Second, the winner will get a higher quota for uploading pictures: 15/100. Which means, (s)he can upload up to 15 numbers between 301 and 399 instead of usually 10.

(Why this rule? To make sure that all participants have a fair chance to submit numbers)

===========================================================


#300 CONTEST - REGRAS

O concurso terá 3 fases:
Fase 1 : período em que os 300 serão submetidos (48 horas)
Fase 2: Período em que os 300 serão submetidos a votação (48 horas)
Fase 3: Contagem dos votos e anúncio do vencedor

FASE 1 : Período de Submissão

-O período de submissão terá a duração de 48 horas

-O início de contagem de tempo será através do aviso colocado por um dos moderadores: "#300 contest: upload your 300" banner uploaded by one of the mods”

As regras para submeter os números 300 são:
-Os números deverão estar estritamente dentro das regras do Seq_Numbrs (veja no “ about “) e o mais importante, ele deverá ser um trabalho seu.
-Se você submeter um número de outro fotologger este deverá dar o seu consentimento e estar citado claramente nos comentários.
-Somente será permitido um número 300 por fotologger. Se você fizer o upload de mais de um numero, será válido o primeiro e o moderador apagará os restantes.

-A participação está restrita a fotologgers com mais de uma semana de existência – isto para que não seja possível fazer mais de uma submissão (um fotologger poderia abrir um fotolog novo e fazer em seguida um upload – espertinhos não!)

-Nota: poderá participar mesmo aqueles que já tenham utilizado a sua quota de 10/100 ou que tenha submetido o 299 ou planeja submeter o 301.

-Durante a fase 1, não será possível fazer comentários, para discussões, use QT discussion board no link: http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 2 : Período de Votação

Duração: 48 horas

Início da votação: indicado através de um aviso colocado por um moderador “ # 300 contest : cast your votes” – diferentemente do anterior , votos que forem dados depois das 48 horas mas antes do upload do banner serão considerados válidos

Os comentários estarão novamente disponíveis após o upload do aviso. O primeiro comentário do moderador responsável por este aviso será considerado o tempo inicial para contagem das 48hs.

-Somente um voto por fotologger
-Você não pode votar em seu próprio número
-Vote escrevendo o seguinte: “I vote for this one”, embaixo do número 300 que você escolheu
-Outros comentários serão apagados. Você pode ainda utilizar o QT discussion board para outros comentários ou discussões sobre números:
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 3 : Período de Votação

Duração: O suficiente para fazer a contagem dos votos

Inicio da contagem: Será indicado com o aviso: “# 300 voting is closed”

Não haverá comentários na fase 3, por favor use o QT board para discussões
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28
Depois de todos os votos serem apurados, nós anunciaremos o VENCEDOR. O #300 vencedor então permanecerá, os outros que participaram da competição deverão ser colocados em http://fotolog.net/2late . Se você possui mais de um #300, por favor coloque-o no 2late.


E a mais importante questão:

QUAL SERÁ O PRÊMIO????

Primeiro de tudo a FAMA, é claro.

Segundo, o vencedor terá direito a uma quota de números de 15/100, o que significa poder submeter na série 301 – 399, 15 números ao invés dos usuais 10.

(Por que desta regra? Para que todos os participantes tenham uma chance justa de poderem submeter seus números)

=======================================================

#300 Wettbewerb


Hier sind die Regeln für den Wettbewerb:

Der Wettbewerb besteht aus drei Phasen:

Phase 1: Einsendungsphase (48 Stunden)

Phase 2: Abstimmungsphase (48 Stunden)

Phase 3: Stimmen-Auszählungsphase und Bekanntmachung des Gewinners


PHASE 1/Einsendungsphase:

Dauer: 48 Stunden
Beginn: wird durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: upload your 300" angezeigt werden, das einer der Moderatoren hochlädt

Bitte lade dann deine #300 hoch. Regeln für die Einsendungen:

- Die Bilder müssen den Regeln für sequential_nmbrs (siehe "about") entsprechen. Das wichtigste: sie müssen deine eigene Arbeit sein. Wenn du ein Bild für einen anderen Fotologger hochlädst, muss er/sie damit einverstanden sein, und es muss klar aus der Bildbeschreibung hervorgehen.

- Nur eine Einsendung pro Fotologger. Wenn du mehr als ein Bild hochlädst, wird nur die erste Einsendung zählen, andere Einsendungen werden gelöscht.

- Teilnehmende Fotologs müssen mindestens eine Woche alt sein (nur um sicherzustellen, dass keiner ein neues Log eröffnet, nur um mehr als ein Bild einreichen zu können)

- Achtung: du kannst teilnehmen, auch wenn du schon deine 10/100 Quote erfüllt hast, ebenso falls du #299 eingeschickt hast oder #301 einschicken willst.

Während Phase 1 wird die Kommentarfunktion ausgeschaltet. Für Diskussionen bitte das QT Diskussionsbrett verwenden, das unter der F/F-Liste verlinkt ist:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Abstimmungsphase:

Dauer: 48 Stunden
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: cast your votes", das durch einen der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird. Als Zeitstempel zählt der erste Kommentar des Moderators unter diesem Banner.
(Anders als bei den bisherigen Wettbewerben sind Stimmen, die nach Ablauf von 48 Stunden aber vor Hochladen des Banners abgegeben wurden, gültig)

Die Kommentarfunktion wird sofort nach Hochladen des Banners wieder geöffnet. Die Regeln für die Abstimmung:

- Nur eine Stimme pro Fotologger
- Du kannst nicht für dein eigenes Bild stimmen
- Stimme ab, indem du unter das Bild deiner Wahl einen Kommentar schreibst mit dem Text "I vote for this one".

Andere Kommentare werden gelöscht. Ihr könnt weiterhin das Diskussionsforum benutzen, um andere Kommentare abzugeben oder Bilder zu diskutieren:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Stimmen-Auszählungsphase:

Dauer: so lange, wie wir brauchen, um die Stimmen zu zählen ;-)
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#300 contest: voting is closed", das von einem der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird.

Die Kommentarfunktion ist ausgeschaltet während Phase 3.

Bitte benutzt das Diskussionsforum für Kommentare oder Bilderdiskussionen:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

Nachdem die Stimmen ausgezählt sind, wird der Gewinner bekanntgegeben. Die Sieger-300 wird in der Sequenz bleiben. Die anderen werden gelöscht. Wenn du willst, dass deine 300 bleibt, lade sie nach dem Wettbewerb in http://www.fotolog.net/2late hoch. Wenn du mehr als eine 300 hast, die überzähligen bitte ebenfalls in 2late hochladen.


Und, eine der wichtigsten Fragen:

WAS GIBT ES ZU GEWINNEN?

Als erstes natürlich: Ruhm.

Zweitens: der Gewinner erhält ein höheres Upload-Guthaben: 15/100. Das bedeutet, er/sie kann bis zu 15 Nummern zwischen 301 und 399 hochladen statt normalerweise nur 10.

(Warum diese Regel? Um sicher zu stellen, dass alle Teilnehmer eine faire Chance haben, Nummern einzustellen)

hey guys. is my post valid? i've got another 300..

i'm waiting.. :)

cheers

@leolecal: difficult. In the past it would not have been valid. According to the "evolved" rules, a handwritten number is valid if it is clear from the context that the number can't have been manipulated by the photographer (see jvc's pavement picture for example)

i see.. well, as you can see in the picture, there are some other price plates filled if the same handwriting.. but, i took the picture as they got hidden..

this is a good shot in my opinion.. my other 300 is not that good... :/

so, is it going to stay?

I would say leave it in, yes. We have to set signs for the next 100s, and this is one of them.

@kmc: wow, that's one cool shot!!

@limone: Thanks, It was a coincidence that I was back in the old home town when I found it.

Cool, some very nice entries already...

Great, I was hoping for some road signs :-)

Nice #300s up to now.
I´m waiting for pat, adadadadadada, byte.....
I´ll post my 300 soon.
;)

Looking forward to your 300 jpinho.

Hey, this 300 nikon remembered my 200 moulinet...

@jpinho: Oh my goodness!! LOL!! I do especially like the bear. Now it will be really hard to pick a favorite...

jvc

I knew that your #300 was a stamp...
hehehehe

I don't have an entry, too busy selling those servers before the end of the year...and beside how could I possibly compete with Jose's opus magnum.

Now I think we can guess that Jose's family thinks him to be barking mad...

Please add me in the guestbook!!!

oh mmy.. we still ahve adda to post.

but i think the time is over.. dont?

jvc

Don´t worry
Adadadadadadada said to me that he has no 300...
He was very very busy to break blue glass balls
;)

@jpinho: Who's hmc? :-) Sorry, I did enjoy your 300 and will ask if I can keep a copy for myself to enjoy forever in the future, I just had to vote for another entry.

Cheers

kmc

Re. the comment under Pat's submission. I have posted the comment issue which apparently leads to confusion when it's on f/f only to the official Fotolog board:

http://pub22.ezboard.com/ffotologfrm9.show...ge?topicID=28.topic

I really don't know what to do to avoid this confusion. If we close commenting altogether during upload, all comments become invisible, also the timestamp and older discussions. Also, people might think they are not allowed to upload a picture at all.

So, when in doubt, please ask! Unfortunately we do not have the possible to add an information banner that's always visible on all pages, and apparently it's not enough to explain it in the rules ... ???

Question to all:

Example:

If you want to vote for this picture:

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=3580386

please write "I vote for this one"

Otherwise I cannot tell if your comment is a vote or not. Thank you!

========================================================

How to handle the other votes? I had to ask Babelfish to understand some of them, and I can't do that with all comments, plus it was set clearly in the rules.

I think "this one gets my vote" or similar is ok too, but it has to be clear from the wording that it is a vote.

Limone

Please delete these comments that these guys wrote for me,
no votes but insults...
Sorry for these people

amandasapao
castor
thiagomontagens
tooshit
lonelystupidlife
pathyra

My idea: if we campaign for people to vote for our photos then I'd say we have to accept the negative (i.e. we run the risk of losing voting space from unwanted comments) as well as the positive consequences. I think it makes the contest more interesting too.

Note: I campaigned on my flog & have lost voting space because of miscast votes.

@jimsk: you mean they voted in your own flog instead of s_n? because that's what happened to me when I didn't give the link to my s_n submission... (only one vote, though)

@jpinho: will delete the mentioned comments. ;-)

no limone, don't D-lete
thatz da risk of campaining da way he's doin!! :p

Edited by author 12-19-2003 01:26 PM
too late!
but in the past we have deleted non-vote comments anyway, especially comments with inappropriate language.

Here's an excerpt of the contest rules:

- Only one vote per fotologger
- You cannot vote for your own picture
- Cast your vote by writing a comment "I vote for this one" under the picture of your choice

Other comments will be deleted. You can still use the discussion board for other comments or picture discussions:

i agree with pat...

come on.. the guys were trying to say that they shouldn't vote for him because he was spamming for it.. i don't think that it would be needed..

the photo itself is funny.. but i don't think that the rage attack against him should be deleted, specialy, if he asked for it.. :P

my english is not that good.. i hope you did understand my point.. ;D

Edited by author 12-20-2003 07:47 AM
like I said, too late, and it was stated in advance that none voting comments will be deleted, under any picture. I just can't permanently check all comments, so it is necessary that people point out when comments need to be deleted.

By the way, are here any volunteers for a mod job? I will definitely not return after my holiday break, and it seems that it is important that we have a mod from Brazil too.

Jpinho is not the only one who is campaigning like this, btw. ;-)

One important reason why non-votes have to be deleted is to prevent sabotage. Otherwise people could just flood a guestbook to prevent that a certain picture wins - and I mean ANY guestbook. As long as we don't have a decent poll system, we have to stick to this one - unless we switch to voting by e-mail for the next contest (like fotocats does), but this will be the job of other people then. ;-)

In general, it seems it would be a better idea to exclude campaigning for the next contest (in the sense of leaving comments in other people's guestbooks asking them to vote. I think using the own log to add a link to the competition is something different) because it's rather a popularity contest than a photography contest then. Just my 2 cents.

Unless it's supposed to be a popularity contest. ;-)

Dear Seq_Numba Friends

In the last #200 contest I complain a lot about campaigns made by other fotologers, in my opinion no campaign must be permitted and NO thumbs with the contest numbers should be showed at left side.
Only must be permitted in our flogs : Please vote at #300 contest : http://www.fotolog.net/seq_nmbrs.
This is a fair election!!!
Can you imagine Mrs. SINISTRA, participating of #300 contest and doing the same of Pat??? Sinistra would be the winner, of course…
Pat has a beautiful fotolog and crowded of comments and friends , when he upload – VOTE FOR ME he has a big advantage ! Pat and Lampiao uploaded the same photo….please see how many votes each one have….a 300D Digi Rebel…Why this difference???
When the #200 contest was over , I decided to show to my friends how to be a winner with a trash 300….I decided to make a story ( Rasta man), to become myself a ridiculous guy ( marketing appeal ), and to do an aggressive campaign…yes a spamming a lot….I spent about 3 hours asking people to vote for me ( in the same way Pat asking people to vote for him at his flog) and I win.
I used a lot of dirty tricks (but do not cheat…)- only imagination and a ridiculous photo with a marketing appeal for those crazy day….
….but I am not comfortable with this, J-Rasta-Pinho is the winner not Jpinho….
Dear friends, I do not want to be the winner and the glory, I only want that next #400 contest a fair campaign where all of us have the same chance.
In my opinion the winner goes to Mr. JIMSK with his beautiful, artistic, original and firing #299+1 matches. Jimsk do not make an aggressive campaign like me and Pat. His #300 isn’t Digitals machines, Road signs, House numbers……

OK Mod , you decide……….You can choose any other #300 , not mine #300, because I only want to joke and to show how easy is to be the winner…..
;))
jpinho ( not J-rasta-Pinho)

Hey Limone, do not count my votes , will be lost of time….hehehehehe

OK jpinho, I see your point.

Re. the thumbnails: I understand what you mean, but if this were true, addadada's pic would have much more votes than it currently has. Plus, it has never been an issue in the 100 and 200 contest, and I wonder why.

You know what I think? The most fair system would probably if submissions are sent to the mod by e-mail, and put in anonymously. This way, only the picture itself gets the vote, and after voting is over, the photographers behind the pictures are being revealed. Of course this would exclude signatures in pictures, and some styles are just unique, but nevertheless it would take the personal element out a little.

All this experience should certainly influence the process for #400, but like I said, I won't be involved anymore. It's time for the mod team to get some new fresh blood. Hugo seems to be away currently, I hope he's doing well, so maybe the log will go into a creative break after Christmas - unless there are other people who can support the mod team (super8 is not available on a regular basis either). Time enough to get things straight an also to form a new team (with the consent of Hugo, of course).

P.S.: I would like to hear Pat's opinion about this... I agree that the match picture is a very good one (there are some other pics which are very good too and currently have much less votes than they deserve...)

Limone

I agree with you.
There is a good idea to send to a mod by email.....
I only want a fair chance for everybody....The winner must be the most beautiful, original,artistic,....
;))

Sorry, bur I forgot to say:

Mrs. SINISTRA gave her vote for me!!!!!

YYYEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;))

Thanx Sinistra

Edited by author 12-20-2003 12:20 PM
Re. leolecal's 300: it is valid, we had discussed this right after his submission. It falls under the new rules that handwritten numbers are ok if it is clear from the context that they can't have been made up by the photographer.

re. thumbs: I have shuffled the thumbs now (by changing file dates) to give some other pics exposure on the left side. Too bad I didn't have this idea earlier. Plus, voting time is extended for another 24 hours.

As for justice in contests: well, most contests are not really fair, when it comes to that. One way would be to have an independent jury of people who know lots about photography, and of course, also about the rules of s_n.

Come to think of it, maybe a shootout would have been better. ;-))

P.S.: Yes, I saw sinistra's vote yesterday already :-)

By the way, I would have voted for your picture WITHOUT ANY CAMPAIGN right after you submitted it just because I thought it was creative and funny, if I hadn't reserved my vote for kmc's pic, which is still my favorite because of the very nice subject, although it could be improved a little in the photographic aspect (other format, and stronger zoom).

I do not think that it is a fair contest if you are allowed to post the same picture in your own flog and make advertisement for it. I think it is better to send the pics to the mod and let him post them, so nobody knows whose pic it is.

Edited by author 12-20-2003 06:00 PM
Just for the record: if the picture itself is bad or boring, a campaign won't help. See my own 300 for reference. ;-) I used an alternative version of it to announce the 300 contest without giving a direct link to my own submission (bearing in mind what we had discussed the last time), and the result was that the only vote it got at all so far was posted in my own flog. ;-) (Only after that I added the link to my pic).

But I'm all for the anonymous contest version because then we can be sure that it's only about the photos and not about the people behind them. :-)

OMG
Pat did not stop to spamming.....
Hey Pat I´m out.....

c pat today spamming at:
http://www.fotolog.net/headb/?photo_id=3642167

that was at 2003-12-20 04:25 flog time!! ;-) old stuff!

I tell you...
... even if you spend a lot of time considering your rules...

... and even if you take a lot of time to put them in more than one language...

... and even if you put them up wayyyyyyyyy ahead of time so folks can digest them...

... you'll still get a lot of complaints and misunderstandings!

Here's the rules for the Your City Holiday Lights Festival Contest: http://www.fotolog.net/your_city/?photo_id=3150943

And believe it or not, I've already had more than 20 submissions even though the contest doesn't officially start until December 28!

One rule that I'm most emphatic about is that pictures may not be placed on a contestant's own log until AFTER voting is over. I get quite a few complaints about it, but you know the way I look at it is, if you want the prize, by Gum you'd better follow the rules as they stand. (arms crossed, foot stamp, hair toss!)

I have no problem with people scaring up votes. Indeed one reason I host such events is to drive traffic to the group f'logs I manage.

You know I had more thoughts to share with you but my three-year-old is pitching a fit. argh

Thanks, TeraGram, for sharing your experience :-))

Been out all day and just got back from a very (very!) late night party and found this discussion. I'd just like to say what I think.

I really don't see any problem in jpinho campaigning for his current photo - it's within the current rules. Besides any other aspects he obviously spent a lot of time and effort on his entry. We all know how much time he (and others) dedicates to this group and how deserving it would be if he won the competition and could thereby send 15 instead of 10 photos in the next phase. There are few of us (and I doubt I'm one of them) who could submit 15 worthwhile photos to the group and help to keep it alive. The only thing it does show, and I'm just repeating what others have said, is that the rules probably should be changed for the next contest. And if the rules are changed to prohibit campaigning, I agree that campaigning in users' own guestbooks should be excluded - the more "popular" people (whatever that means) would have an unfair advantage.

Got to go - the wife is saying I should go sleep at this hour! Peace etc.

Jim
That is the point!!!
Since #200 contest I am saying that these rulez must changed.
...and I did show with a bit of imagination and waisting time with spams how to win....but I did feel confortable with this prize.
;))
#300 jimsk is da best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Edited by author 12-21-2003 11:32 AM
OK, guys, one question: I posted the rules for the contest in advance. Why didn't we discuss and remind of such possible problems BEFORE the contest started?? And I don't mean the discussion right after the 200 contest - this was months ago and as far as I'm concerned I didn't remember or even was aware that campaigning could be such a problem (plus, see TeraGram's comment, in other contests it is even encouraged). There was absolutely no feedback to the rules posted here and in s_n.

I will later upload a banner, but the counting will be done by another mod a little later, so plz be patient.

And let me just say this: IMHO each of the current Top 3 deserves to be the winner, they are all regulars of s_n and all make good pictures.

Don't be too serious about the 15/100 quota, there's the 36 hours joker anyway, so what the heck. If there's no new pic after 36 hours, one could (theoretically) upload 50 pics to the group... ;-))

As for the popularity topic: I think we covered this already with the suggestion of anonymous submissions by mail and revealing the identities of the photographers AFTER voting period. This is a new idea with came up with this contest.

However, let me add a thought about campaigning in general: As I pointed out earlier, a boring or even bad picture won't get many votes, no matter if there's campaigning or not. So, to be successful with a campaign, you have to put some effort and creativity both into your submission and your campaign.

Of course, if you are famous AND good it's easier (see Sinistra example), but I would bet if the submissions are anonymous, the results would not be that much different. But to be sure, you have to try and experiment. :-)

What about the second round.. with no names..just pics posted by Lim..

and new votation with only the top 5 ?
:)

jp, stop saying that jminsk's one is the best..
We all know u2 are friends.. but..

None of us voted it
not even U!!

It's really a good one, for me must be on the top 5... but far to be the best.

Ei jvc, what is the best??????
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Eih limo
let´s rollin....I hava a beautifule 301!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ...and the winner is.........

I'm off for work. Pat does the counting. ;-)

jvc: I consider most of the people whose photos I know & like here, through their fotologs and group logs, "friends". Just for the register, I have (incredibly) never met jpinho though we live close by and share an interest in sailing and photography. I empathize with him. In the same way, I love many of your photos, and your valuable contributions to volta_ao_mundo and consider yourself as much a "friend" as jpinho. (Note that I did not vote for jpinho's photo this time round and posted a previous message here which, if the suggestion in it had been implemented, would have prejudiced jpinho's vote). For much the same reasons I consider Pat and limone "friends", and hope that these feelings are reciprocated (even if Xmas weren't just round the corner!)

I think what's important is that the 300 contest has brought us some great photos and is improving all of us in terms of imagination and photography. Frankly, I'll be happy whatever the result (even if jpinho wins!)

Peace etc.

in my opinion, this contest shouldn't be so stressful.. i mean, complains, campaigns, withdraw.. remember, it's JUST a game.. let's leave all the competition behind us, improve the rules to the next contest and have a merry x-mas and a happy new year.. :))

jm, u know i like u very much here in s_n, in VAM and in your own flog. I loved your shot, specially because of the caption..
but being sincere and looking for the votes gave from us, regulars in s_n.. in my opinion (no.. in s_n regulars opinion) the best ones were the ones from Rodrigov (votes from me, you, pat and kmc), the great truck 300 from kmc From Lim, zwigmar, Byte and leolecal and mine (i got votes from adda, leolecal -voted 2times!!- and rodrigov)

i was just tired of seeing jp saying that your was the best when not even he voted for u..

in my opinion, if the election was fair, using anonymous shots, kmc or rodrigov would be the winners..

I apologize.. i did think u are friends from sailing.

Frankly, i'd be happy if kmc's or rodigov's were the winner, never if jp was the one

Was away since early Friday morning and just saw the results. Congrats to all!

Thanks jvc for your comments. Onward to 400!

cheers

kmc

merry x-mas you all! :))

OK, proposed new rules taking into account the comments, it's been really fun the last couple weeks with lots of numbers and no rules problems until today.

Mods can you please take a final look at these and decide if we want to make them official? We will need translations obviously.

Proposed reworded Rules for sequential_numberz

These are the same rules we have been playing under (I hope) just reworded to be a little clearer, especially for new players.

The objective of this game is to find and photograph unique numbers and post them here in sequential order. The competitive aspect of the game is to be the first person to post a particular number. If you are a new player you do not need to read these rules in detail immediately but please at least skim read rules 1-6 before posting.

Rules:
1) Numbers must be FOUND
a) No number that the photographer created to photograph is permitted. Additionally no number that by appearance looks like it could have been created by the photographer is allowed, in particular this means no:
i) Hand written (including graffiti) numbers unless it is otherwise clear from the context that they had to be pre-existing
ii) Computer printouts and typed documents, unless it is otherwise clear from the context that they had to be pre-existing
iii) Digital displays where the user can enter numbers (calculators, cell phones, microwave ovens, TV’s etc)
b) Numbers must be presented as found. No digital manipulation of the subject number is permitted. Cropping and placing insets to show context are allowed as is anything that does not change the main number.
2) Numbers must be PHOTOGRAPHED by the entrant
a) Entries must be pictures that you have taken yourself (this is also a requirement of the fotolog terms of service). Pictures taken by someone else are not acceptable and will be deleted. This includes scans of photos out of books or magazines and pictures from the web.
b) The only permitted exception is that you can arrange for another fotologger to post an entry by proxy if you know you will be away, this must be announced by the poster in the photo description, for the purposes of rule 6 the posted number is treated as if it came from the entrant not the proxy poster.
3) The entry must be a photo of ONE NUMBER
a) The number must stand alone in the picture and it must be evident from the composition that the number is the subject of the picture. By “stand alone” we mean that the number cannot be part of a larger contiguous number, in particular extra zeros to the left of the number are not permitted.
b) If other numbers appear in the photo they must be clearly less prominent (i.e. smaller and otherwise visually distinct from the subject number) and they must have a clear space separating them from the subject number.
c) The subject number must be clearly visible when the picture is reduced to fotolog thumbnail size (100 x 75 pixels).
4) The number must be UNIQUE
a) Once a number has been used from a source another number from that source is prohibited unless it is visually substantially different. For example, once a hotel door number has been posted, any other door number from that hotel is not permitted; any other number that substantially resembles that number (i.e. same colour, typeface and background) cannot be used even if it is collected from a different source.
b) In the case of car license plates, only one license plate per player per block of 100 numbers (e.g. 100-199) is permitted.
5) In order to make the game an appropriate level of difficulty some number sources are prohibited as being too easy:
a) Numbers from books (page, chapter, figure numbers etc.)
b) Numbers from maps
c) Numbers from any numbered list (crossword clues, ‘best of’ lists etc.)
6) In order to keep the game open to many players we limit the number of numbers a single player can post.
a) No player can post two numbers in a row.
b) No player can post more than 10 of the numbers in a block of 100 numbers (e.g. 100-200 etc).
7) In order to keep the game moving if 36 hours pass without a number being posted then anyone who is prohibited from posting a number by rule #6 can post. A posting made after a 36 hour wait where the users was not covered by rule #6 does not confer any other privileges, specifically if a user has not already posted 10 numbers a posting after 36 hours still counts towards their count of 10 numbers. This is done to prevent users from intentionally delaying postings to earn more future slots thus slowing down the game.
8) When you see a number posted, you can post the next number, there is no need to wait for a banner or other notification
9) If the moderator must delete a number for a rules violation then that number and all of the subsequent numbers are deleted and the game starts over at the last valid number before the violation. Therefore be sure to watch the game in case you need to replay a number.
10) These rules have evolved over time and in the past some numbers may have been posted that no longer fit the current rules. Old numbers that exist outside of the current rules will be allowed to stand but they do not set a precedent for the future, all postings must adhere to the rules as written at the time of posting.
11) All postings and guestbook comments must adhere to the fotolog terms of service which includes a prohibition on profanity. The first time a poster violates the TOS on sequential_numberz the offending material will be deleted by the moderators and the poster will be asked not to repeat the violation. Second offenses will result in a ban from the game for some period up to permanent at the discretion of the moderators and a report to the fotolog admins.
12) Interpretation and enforcement of the rules is at the sole discretion of the volunteer moderators here, they created the game and put a lot of effort into making it work, so their word on any matter is the law, a single polite counter-proposal is permitted if you disagree but anything else could be grounds for a ban so be nice.

Excellent set of rules based on the evolution of the contest and the related discussion to date!

Thank You.

kmc

bytepusher, for me the new rules sound ok. problem is: currently there's only pat and me (who's actually on vacation), super8 does not have spare time and hukes hasn't sent a lifesign for quite a while (actually I'm worrying a little). I hope that hukes returns soon so the new rules can be implemented.

and what about the translation of the rules? i can work on that, but as my english is not the best, i'd apreciate a little help.. :P

and maybe it's time to find some new mods.. it's clear that poor limone is overduty (if this word exists.. :P)

cheers

we are still waiting for the mod volunteers ;-)
but w/o hugo we cannot re-form the team anyway... IMHO...

I can surely work on the Portuguese version of the rules. Maybe I could review leolecal's translation or do it myself. Just let me know.

just FYI, I got a mail from Hugo, he's away to see his family, but doing well. :-)

thanks, guys, for your offers re. translation. We'll get back to them as soon as the rules are official.

Stats 1 of 3, by numbers:

301 jvc parking lot sandbag
302 kmc fire truck
303 lampiao recycling container
304 henrique_oleiro house number
305 zwigmar house number
306 lampiao car model
307 jvc door number
308 zwigmar house number
309 lampiao car model
310 addadada truck number
311 spacetramp bus number
312 addadada street sign
313 metalburst food number
314 addadada gas meter
315 rodrigov trademark number
316 rmx dustbin detail
317 lampiao bus stop number
318 henrique_oleiro house number
319 jvc brush size
320 addadada nutrition information on package
321 jpinho house number
322 zwigmar house number
323 henrique_oleiro house number
324 jpinho shop number
325 zwigmar house number
326 henrique_oleiro house number
327 jvc street advertisement
328 jardim_celeste house number
329 popdesign street sign
330 Alberto bus number posted by JVC for a friend from Curitiba (Alberto)
331 zwigmar house number
332 dimilinchen license plate
333 mirka cheese package
334 loba_mah bus number
335 lampiao packing size
336 addadada tree marker
337 zwigmar house number posted by addadada for zwigmar
338 henrique_oleiro house number
339 zwigmar house number
340 addadada apartement number
341 jardim_celeste house number
342 zwigmar house number
343 addadada sales receipt
344 rodrigov parking lot number
345 limone shirt number posted by lampiao for limone
346 louiedog house number
347 addadada house number
348 lampiao bus number
349 rodrigov bus number
350 respider packing size
351 rodrigov car number

Stats 2 of 3, by participant:

310 addadada truck number
312 addadada street sign
314 addadada gas meter
320 addadada nutrition information on package
336 addadada tree marker
340 addadada apartement number
343 addadada sales receipt
347 addadada house number
330 Alberto bus number posted by JVC for a friend from Curitiba (Alberto)
332 dimilinchen license plate
304 henrique_oleiro house number
318 henrique_oleiro house number
323 henrique_oleiro house number
326 henrique_oleiro house number
338 henrique_oleiro house number
328 jardim_celeste house number
341 jardim_celeste house number
321 jpinho house number
324 jpinho shop number
301 jvc parking lot sandbag
307 jvc door number
319 jvc brush size
327 jvc street advertisement
302 kmc fire truck
303 lampiao recycling container
306 lampiao car model
309 lampiao car model
317 lampiao bus stop number
335 lampiao packing size
348 lampiao bus number
345 limone shirt number posted by lampiao for limone
334 loba_mah bus number
346 louiedog house number
313 metalburst food number
333 mirka cheese package
329 popdesign street sign
350 respider packing size
316 rmx dustbin detail
315 rodrigov trademark number
344 rodrigov parking lot number
349 rodrigov bus number
351 rodrigov car number
311 spacetramp bus number
305 zwigmar house number
308 zwigmar house number
322 zwigmar house number
325 zwigmar house number
331 zwigmar house number
337 zwigmar house number posted by addadada for zwigmar
339 zwigmar house number
342 zwigmar house number

Stats 3 of 3, by number type:

340 addadada apartement number
319 jvc brush size
311 spacetramp bus number
330 Alberto bus number posted by JVC for a friend from Curitiba (Alberto)
334 loba_mah bus number
348 lampiao bus number
349 rodrigov bus number
317 lampiao bus stop number
306 lampiao car model
309 lampiao car model
351 rodrigov car number
333 mirka cheese package
307 jvc door number
316 rmx dustbin detail
302 kmc fire truck
313 metalburst food number
314 addadada gas meter
304 henrique_oleiro house number
305 zwigmar house number
308 zwigmar house number
318 henrique_oleiro house number
321 jpinho house number
322 zwigmar house number
323 henrique_oleiro house number
325 zwigmar house number
326 henrique_oleiro house number
328 jardim_celeste house number
331 zwigmar house number
337 zwigmar house number posted by addadada for zwigmar
338 henrique_oleiro house number
339 zwigmar house number
341 jardim_celeste house number
342 zwigmar house number
346 louiedog house number
347 addadada house number
332 dimilinchen license plate
320 addadada nutrition information on package
335 lampiao packing size
350 respider packing size
344 rodrigov parking lot number
301 jvc parking lot sandbag
303 lampiao recycling container
343 addadada sales receipt
345 limone shirt number posted by lampiao for limone
324 jpinho shop number
327 jvc street advertisement
312 addadada street sign
329 popdesign street sign
315 rodrigov trademark number
336 addadada tree marker
310 addadada truck number

Edited by author 01-05-2004 05:16 PM
Ranking / Quota by participant:

addadada 8
zwigmar 8
lampiao 6
henrique_oleiro 5
jvc 4
rodrigov 4
jardim_celeste 2
jpinho 2
Alberto 1
dimilinchen 1
kmc 1
limone 1
loba_mah 1
louiedog 1
metalburst 1
mirka 1
popdesign 1
respider 1
rmx 1
spacetramp 1

Ranking by number types:

18 house number
6 bus stop number
5 bus number
2 car model
2 packing size
2 street sign
1 apartement number
1 brush size
1 car number
1 cheese package
1 door number
1 dustbin detail
1 fire truck
1 food number
1 gas meter
1 license plate
1 nutrition information on package
1 parking lot number
1 parking lot sandbag
1 recycling container
1 sales receipt
1 shirt number
1 shop number
1 street advertisement
1 trademark number
1 tree marker
1 truck number

Edited by author 01-25-2004 05:59 PM
These are the rules for the contest:

# 400 contest rules

IMPORTANT ADDITION FOR CONTESTANTS FOR THE #400 CONTEST:

NO CAMPAIGNING ALLOWED! This means: if you participate in the contest you may inform people about the contest in your own fotolog. You cannot upload your contest submission to your own fotolog (or any other fotolog other than sequential_nmbrs). You cannot ask people to vote for your picture and/or put the URL for your contest submission in your own flog. Spamming other people’s guestbooks is not allowed.

Participants who do not respect this rule will have their submission deleted.

This rule is meant to give each participant equal chances, especially less popular participants.

* * *

NÃO É PERMITIDA CAMPANHA! Isto significa: se voce participa do concurso, você pode informar a outras pessoas a respeito do concurso no seu próprio fotolog. Você não pode carregar a foto que você submeteu para o concurso no seu próprio fotolog (ou qualquer outro fotolog que não seja o sequential_nmbrs). Você não pode pedir às pessoas para votar em sua foto e/ou colocar a URL da sua foto do concurso em seu próprio flog. Fazer spam nos guestbooks de outras pessoas não é permitido.

Participantes que não respeitarem esta regra terão suas fotos deletadas.

Esta regra foi feita para dar chances iguais para cada participante, especialmente, os menos populares.

* * *

KAMPAGNEN SIND NICHT ERLAUBT! Wenn du am Wettbewerb teilnimmst, darfst du andere in deinem Fotolog über den Wettbewerb informieren, du darfst aber NICHT deinen Wettbewerbsbeitrag in deinem Fotolog zeigen (oder in irgendeinem anderen Fotolog als sequential_nmbrs). Du darfst andere nicht darum bitten, für dein Bild zu stimmen oder den URL zu deinem Wettbewerbsbeitrag in deinem Fotolog veröffentlichen. Anderer Leute Gästebücher zu spammen ist ebenfalls nicht erlaubt.

Wettbewerbsbeiträge von Teilnehmern, die diese Regel nicht respektieren, werden gelöscht.

Der Sinn dieser Regel ist, allen Teilnehmern gleiche Chancen zu geben, insbesondere weniger populären Teilnehmern.

===========================================================
OK, here are the rules for the contest:

The contest will have three phases:

phase 1: submission period (96 hours)

phase 2: voting period (96 hours)

phase 3: vote counting period and announcement of the winner


PHASE 1/Submission period:

Duration: 96 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#400 contest: upload your 400" banner uploaded by one of the mods

Please upload your #400 submission. Rules for the submissions are:

- pictures must comply with the sequential_nmbrs rules (see "about"), most importantly: they must be your own work. If you submit a picture for another fotologger, it must be with his/her consent and stated clearly in the description.

- only one submission per fotologger. If you submit more than one, only the first submission will count, other submissions will be deleted.

- participating fotologs must be at least one week old (just to ensure that people don't open new logs to get more than one submission in)

- Note: you can participate even if you have used your 10/100 quota, also if you have submitted #399 or plan to submit #401.

During phase 1, commenting will not be possible. For discussions, please use the QT discussion board linked under the f/f list:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Voting period:

Duration: 96 hours
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#400 contest: cast your vote" banner uploaded by one of the mods.
(Difference to previous contests: Votes entered after 96 hours, but before upload of the banner will be valid.)

Commenting will be re-enabled right after uploading the banner. The first comment by the mod who uploaded the banner will serve as timestamp for the banner. The rules for voting:

- Only one vote per fotologger
- You cannot vote for your own picture
- Cast your vote by writing a comment "I vote for this one" under the picture of your choice

Other comments will be deleted. You can still use the discussion board for other comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Vote counting period:

Duration: as long as it takes to count the votes ;-)
Starting time: will be indicated through a "#400 contest: voting is closed" banner.

Commenting will be disabled during phase 3.

Please use the discussion board for comments or picture discussions:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

After the votes are tallied, we will announce the winner. The winning #400 will stay. The others will be deleted - if you want your #400 to stay, please upload it after the contest to http://www.fotolog.net/2late. If you have more than one #400, please also upload it to 2late.


And, one of the most important questions:

WHAT WILL BE THE PRIZE??

First of all, fame, of course.

Second, the winner will get a higher quota for uploading pictures: 15/100. Which means, (s)he can upload up to 15 numbers between 401 and 499 instead of usually 10.

(Why this rule? To make sure that all participants have a fair chance to submit numbers)

===========================================================


#400 CONTEST - REGRAS

O concurso terá 3 fases:
Fase 1 : período em que os 400 serão submetidos (96 horas)
Fase 2: Período em que os 400 serão submetidos a votação (96 horas)
Fase 3: Contagem dos votos e anúncio do vencedor

FASE 1 : Período de Submissão

-O período de submissão terá a duração de 96 horas

-O início de contagem de tempo será através do aviso colocado por um dos moderadores: "#400 contest: upload your 400" banner uploaded by one of the mods”

As regras para submeter os números 400 são:
-Os números deverão estar estritamente dentro das regras do Seq_Numbrs (veja no “ about “) e o mais importante, ele deverá ser um trabalho seu.
-Se você submeter um número de outro fotologger este deverá dar o seu consentimento e estar citado claramente nos comentários.
-Somente será permitido um número 400 por fotologger. Se você fizer o upload de mais de um numero, será válido o primeiro e o moderador apagará os restantes.

-A participação está restrita a fotologgers com mais de uma semana de existência - isto para que não seja possível fazer mais de uma submissão (um fotologger poderia abrir um fotolog novo e fazer em seguida um upload - espertinhos não!)

-Nota: poderá participar mesmo aqueles que já tenham utilizado a sua quota de 10/100 ou que tenha submetido o 399 ou planeja submeter o 401.

-Durante a fase 1, não será possível fazer comentários, para discussões, use QT discussion board no link: http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 2 : Período de Votação

Duração: 96 horas

Início da votação: indicado através de um aviso colocado por um moderador “ # 400 contest : cast your vote” - diferentemente do anterior , votos que forem dados depois das 96 horas mas antes do upload do banner serão considerados válidos

Os comentários estarão novamente disponíveis após o upload do aviso. O primeiro comentário do moderador responsável por este aviso será considerado o tempo inicial para contagem das 96hs.

-Somente um voto por fotologger
-Você não pode votar em seu próprio número
-Vote escrevendo o seguinte: “I vote for this one”, embaixo do número 400 que você escolheu
-Outros comentários serão apagados. Você pode ainda utilizar o QT discussion board para outros comentários ou discussões sobre números:
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

FASE 3 : Período de Votação

Duração: O suficiente para fazer a contagem dos votos

Inicio da contagem: Será indicado com o aviso: “# 400 voting is closed”

Não haverá comentários na fase 3, por favor use o QT board para discussões
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28
Depois de todos os votos serem apurados, nós anunciaremos o VENCEDOR. O #400 vencedor então permanecerá, os outros que participaram da competição deverão ser colocados em http://fotolog.net/2late . Se você possui mais de um #400, por favor coloque-o no 2late.


E a mais importante questão:

QUAL SERÁ O PRÊMIO????

Primeiro de tudo a FAMA, é claro.

Segundo, o vencedor terá direito a uma quota de números de 15/100, o que significa poder submeter na série 401 - 499, 15 números ao invés dos usuais 10.

(Por que desta regra? Para que todos os participantes tenham uma chance justa de poderem submeter seus números)

=======================================================

#400 Wettbewerb


Hier sind die Regeln für den Wettbewerb:

Der Wettbewerb besteht aus drei Phasen:

Phase 1: Einsendungsphase (96 Stunden)

Phase 2: Abstimmungsphase (96 Stunden)

Phase 3: Stimmen-Auszählungsphase und Bekanntmachung des Gewinners


PHASE 1/Einsendungsphase:

Dauer: 96 Stunden
Beginn: wird durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#400 contest: upload your 400" angezeigt werden, das einer der Moderatoren hochlädt

Bitte lade dann deine #400 hoch. Regeln für die Einsendungen:

- Die Bilder müssen den Regeln für sequential_nmbrs (siehe "about") entsprechen. Das wichtigste: sie müssen deine eigene Arbeit sein. Wenn du ein Bild für einen anderen Fotologger hochlädst, muss er/sie damit einverstanden sein, und es muss klar aus der Bildbeschreibung hervorgehen.

- Nur eine Einsendung pro Fotologger. Wenn du mehr als ein Bild hochlädst, wird nur die erste Einsendung zählen, andere Einsendungen werden gelöscht.

- Teilnehmende Fotologs müssen mindestens eine Woche alt sein (nur um sicherzustellen, dass keiner ein neues Log eröffnet, nur um mehr als ein Bild einreichen zu können)

- Achtung: du kannst teilnehmen, auch wenn du schon deine 10/100 Quote erfüllt hast, ebenso falls du #399 eingeschickt hast oder #401 einschicken willst.

Während Phase 1 wird die Kommentarfunktion ausgeschaltet. Für Diskussionen bitte das QT Diskussionsbrett verwenden, das unter der F/F-Liste verlinkt ist:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 2/Abstimmungsphase:

Dauer: 96 Stunden
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#400 contest: cast your vote", das durch einen der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird. Als Zeitstempel zählt der erste Kommentar des Moderators unter diesem Banner.
(Anders als bei den bisherigen Wettbewerben sind Stimmen, die nach Ablauf von 96 Stunden aber vor Hochladen des Banners abgegeben wurden, gültig)

Die Kommentarfunktion wird sofort nach Hochladen des Banners wieder geöffnet. Die Regeln für die Abstimmung:

- Nur eine Stimme pro Fotologger
- Du kannst nicht für dein eigenes Bild stimmen
- Stimme ab, indem du unter das Bild deiner Wahl einen Kommentar schreibst mit dem Text "I vote for this one".

Andere Kommentare werden gelöscht. Ihr könnt weiterhin das Diskussionsforum benutzen, um andere Kommentare abzugeben oder Bilder zu diskutieren:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28


PHASE 3/Stimmen-Auszählungsphase:

Dauer: so lange, wie wir brauchen, um die Stimmen zu zählen ;-)
Beginn: wird angezeigt durch ein Banner mit dem Text "#400 contest: voting is closed", das von einem der Moderatoren hochgeladen wird.

Die Kommentarfunktion ist ausgeschaltet während Phase 3.

Bitte benutzt das Diskussionsforum für Kommentare oder Bilderdiskussionen:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

Nachdem die Stimmen ausgezählt sind, wird der Gewinner bekanntgegeben. Die Sieger-400 wird in der Sequenz bleiben. Die anderen werden gelöscht. Wenn du willst, dass deine 400 bleibt, lade sie nach dem Wettbewerb in http://www.fotolog.net/2late hoch. Wenn du mehr als eine 400 hast, die überzähligen bitte ebenfalls in 2late hochladen.


Und, eine der wichtigsten Fragen:

WAS GIBT ES ZU GEWINNEN?

Als erstes natürlich: Ruhm.

Zweitens: der Gewinner erhält ein höheres Upload-Guthaben: 15/100. Das bedeutet, er/sie kann bis zu 15 Nummern zwischen 401 und 499 hochladen statt normalerweise nur 10.

(Warum diese Regel? Um sicher zu stellen, dass alle Teilnehmer eine faire Chance haben, Nummern einzustellen)

Edited by author 01-25-2004 02:34 AM
re: translation

Participantes que não respeitarem esta regra terão suas fotos deletadas.

Esta regra foi feita para dar chances iguais para cada participante, especialmente, os menos populares.

i hope it helps.. :P

since the posting by email works again, a few submissions by me are double - I will delete them as soon as I regain access. I'm very happy about the AS/400 picture, I hoped somebody would come up with one, we had the AS/400 in my first workplace. :-)

Glad you enjoyed the 400 limone. If I had ordered a new one last year I'd no longer have the number on the outside of the box. Glad I've kept this one around!

Edited by author 01-27-2004 03:24 PM
you have your own as/400?? or are you a sysadmin? :-)
the as/400 is a nice reliable machine. good choice. :-))

Not my own 400 although I have thought about getting an old F10 or 20 for the heck of it. Great machines as you say.

Sysadmin I am.

hopefully no BOFH *g*
one of our IT managers had his own AS/400 at home :-)
I remember times when they were really huge...

sorry ! I hadn't read the rules before posting. I should have known though that page numbers wouldn't be allowed!! I'll try again next time!!

um... re. rodrigo's metric ribbon... it's a great pic, but if I recall that correctly we had said that rulers are out because they offer too many choices of numbers... I'm sure there's a 100, a 200 and a 300 on that ribbon too??

RODRIGOV

Sorry but your 400 metric tape is out of rules!!!
My first number was a metric tape number....and the mods said: OUT OF RULEZ! ..and I did agree.
;0)

Yes Lim.. we've (Rodrigo and i) discussed about it.. I said it was not valid and tried to proove with the rules.. but there's nothing in the rules about it. (where did RULERS went for?)
So.. we cannot invalidate it.
But i do think we can ask Rodrigo to shoot something else if he can, and put it in the rules.

by the other side.. Rodrigo and i think that if rulers are not valid, so house numbers should not be either, because they are part of a metric system or a norma sequence (at least here, the house numbers follow meters between the doors, and in Brasilia, they are sequencial: 1,2,3,4,5,....).

I think Rodrigo's foto is out of rules.
One of my shots was labeled of invalid because had more than one number with same size of the number in context (#370).
In this case we can see one #9, a #1 and a #2 with same size of #400.

The rules prohibit all scales. I've often desisted from photographing numbers because they're part of scales (kitchen balances, protractors...)

On actually reading the rules as they stand I notice that scales no longer appear on the current list of burnt options. When did they disappear?

Jimsk has reason.
My first upload to seq_numb was a 120, from a measuring tape and was considered out of rules.

one of burnt options was scale....

I did upload a compass number ( 135 ) and was considered out of rulez too -> scale!

Sorry, but this 400 isn´t valid!
;0)

Edited by author 01-29-2004 09:57 AM
They are still there in the Portuguese version, as I just noticed. We had a discussion about rulers when there was a beautiful shot with a somewhat antique ruler, that's the only time when they could have disappeared but I tend to believe that it was just by mistake while doing the update.

P.S.: oh well I thought "rotulos" = "rulers" but apparently it's not. I cannot imagine that we took them out on purpose... did we?

Edited by author 01-29-2004 10:03 AM
@jvc: in the end almost every number is part of a list, no matter if it's a house number, a model number, a license plate... if we burn those too we will probably never reach the 500 mark... ;-)

The point with rulers was that it is just too easy to take a pic of a number on a ruler, just like it is with book pages. To take a pic of a house number, you have at least to go out and walk or drive a little bit until you get the desired number. And the higher they get the harder it is to find one.

On the other hand, a measuring tape with a 400 on it is not that easy to find either.

i agree, lim..

my only doubt is..

IS THAT 400 from Rodrigov REALLY a 400?????????

for me it seems to be a 40 and a 0 (the other numbers are 9 and 1..)

and i do agree with dreamer..
too many numbers on the same shot

i have to disagree with Dreamer's and jvc's argument, the others nºs that appear in the photo are out of focus and at the shadow...all attention is too the 400 that's red, have a spot of light on it and is in focus...

Hy fellows.
I do agree with rodrigo. Firstly, the 400 is in evidence. It is in focus and in red.
And you will agree with me that is more difficult to do this kind of shot then shoot house numbers. I disagree with Limone. It’s not that difficult to photograph house numbers. To make a valid scale shot it should be the right scale and a lot of work. I think Rodrigo spent a lot of shots and light setups to find the correct one. It doesn’t occur with a house number.
I think it’s a good occasion to put in the table the discussion of the difficult of the shot. It’s easy to found a scale to shot. But it’s not easy to make this shot a valid shot.
I think that the rules must incentive good shots. Not the contrary.
What do you think ?
;-)

agree

I agree with both lampiao and jvc (is that possible? :P).

I think that the shot is really good (point for rodrigov) but it's something that was in the rules before and, for some reason, it's not there anymore. I mean, one of the burnt options is 'no rules or scales allowed'. I agre with that, but in the other hand, i think this is a contest, therefore, it should be valid (you can vote for it or not).

As we were talking about the rules before the contest, i think of an idea for the next one: invite some others fotologgers to judge the pics. First of all, stablish criterias (focus, composition, subject, 'unique shot', etc) and let famous photographers (that have a fotolog) to judge. I think with that nobody is going to doubt the result (i mean, there will be no excuses to complain about).

It's just an idea. ;P

Edited by author 01-29-2004 06:46 PM
@leolecal: it's an idea but I think it makes things too complicated. Currently the audience is the judge (in German the word would be "Publikumspreis", word-by-word-translation "audience prize") and so people know which pic others like most.

A professional jury knows nothing about the spirit of s_n, this means the criteria would probably be completely different from what we usually like in s_n.

Plus, I really don't know who's going to do that extra work (inviting people, establishing criteria...)

@lampiao: the problem is another one. The rule should say something like "if you do a scale shot, make sure it's a really good one", but then, how do you define "good"? Speaking from my POV, it's more effort for me to go out (especially in the cold we have right now here) and search for a higher street number (we don't have many of these high street numbers) than to take a pic of something I find in my own home.

If we make a rule or an exception, we also have to know how to react when we get a really low quality submission.

@jpinho:

"for me it seems to be a 40 and a 0 (the other numbers are 9 and 1..)"

um... actually I see it the same way. There's a clearly visible line between the 2 zeroes, so it's actually 40|0.

Hi Limo could you please insert this portuguese version at /seq_numba.



O PERÍODO DE VOTAÇÃO COMEÇOU

Dê por favor seu voto (você tem um voto) até o dia 2 de fevereiro,
até as18:00 hs flogtime escrevendo "i vote for this one" sob o #400 de sua escolha.

Non-voting pictures serão deletadas, usem por favor o link abaixo para discussões em geral:

http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

POR FAVOR NÃO VOTE A MENOS QUE VOCÊ TENHA OLHADO TODAS AS
IMAGENS, E USE SEU OLHO HÁBIL E SEU GOSTO PELA BOA FOTOGRAFIA
AO INVÉS DE SUA LEALDADE AOS AMIGOS.

well about the doubt about if it's a 400 or 40 and 0, i can photograph all the ribbon to show that at every 10 cm there's a number like 10, 20, 30,...90,...140,...400 and all them have the " | " in the middle of the nºs like: 1|0(ten),..., 11|0(a hundred and ten,... 40|0(four hundred centimeters). you know that trace is to indicate the exactly place of the measure...i thought every single ribbon in the metric system was like that...sorry!

maybe we could make a fast voting between us to know if my 400 stay or get out of the contest.

i might say that it should stay.. :P

(it's my vote.. ;)

I vote for stay too but we need an agreement how to proceed for numbers from 401 on.

Hey, Lim, what do you think on re-upload the first banner sometimes (delete and upload) to make the contest’ s_n thumb appears at the favorites of everybody? 2 or 3 times a day, maybe.
Maybe it will boost the number of votes.
And a question. Could you tell us how much fotologers have s_n in their F/F list? I’m curious.
Thanks.

I vote for stay too.

I'll say the rodrigov 400 is OK

Limone, could you delete your message and other invalid messages from my pic? i guess it is making some confusion if it's valid or not... thanks

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=5563816

saved discussions of 1st voting banner:

 leolecal @ 2004-01-29 18:59 said:
yeah! :))
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 gr0ba @ 2004-01-29 19:24 said:
é fdp
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 jimsk @ 2004-01-29 20:07 said:
I vote for this one!
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 rodrigov @ 2004-01-29 20:30 said:
O PERÍODO DE VOTAÇÃO COMEÇOU
Dê por favor seu voto (você tem um voto) até o dia 2 de fevereiro,até as18:00 hs flogtime escrevendo "i vote for this one" sob o #400 de sua escolha.
Non-voting pictures serão deletadas, usem por favor o link abaixo para discussões em geral:
http://www.quicktopic.com/24/H/fKH7g24Gb28

POR FAVOR NÃO VOTE A MENOS QUE VOCÊ TENHA OLHADO TODAS AS IMAGENS, E USE SEU OLHO HÁBIL E SEU GOSTO PELA BOA FOTOGRAFIA AO INVÉS DE SUA LEALDADE AOS AMIGOS.

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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2004-01-29 20:40 said:
thanks for the translation :-)
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 jvc @ 2004-01-30 05:26 said:
ABSTIMMUNGSPHASE!!
How can a human being understand this strange language? hihi
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 dreamer @ 2004-01-30 07:14 said:
There are only two ways to respect the true of contest:
1 - Or you remove all this blue warnings to all pictures can be in first screen
2 - Or you put more blue warnings to all pictures can be in second screen

There are 18 fotos in contest and screen can show 20 pictures..... 2 more for blue warnings!!!
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 leolecal @ 2004-01-30 10:31 said:
dreamer: cara, essas telas azuis jah sao uma coisa discutida anteriormente.. antes, as fotos do concurso ficavam no thumbs do lado esquerdo, soh que apenas algumas eram mostradas, fazendo com que as primeiras fossem pouco visitadas. se vc quer um conselho, quando for no proximo, deixe pra postar no final.. o aviso estah bem claro: "POR FAVOR NÃO VOTE A MENOS QUE VOCÊ TENHA OLHADO TODAS AS IMAGENS".

Go blue screen! :P
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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2004-01-30 11:50 said:
@dreamer: I am well aware of this problem, but in the past we had more submissions which also led to the fact that submissions were spread on two archive pages... so I just hope people are intelligent enough to realize that there are two pages of submissions. Filling the first page with banners does not really help, it only adds to the confusion. I will leave a note in this picture though.

But leolecal has said it all already... the banners were a joint decision of the s_n community, for good reasons.

@jvc, re. language: LOL

P.S.: given the slow performance of fotolog, it was already enough of a stretch to upload 6 banners and make sure they were in the right sequence, because the last banner had to be the start of the voting and you can`t shuffle them afterwards. I would have had absolutely no chance to upload 20 banners in 5 minutes. ;-)

What about becoming a mod, Dreamer? We need fresh blood!

-- limone

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 lampiao @ 2004-01-30 12:36 said:
Hey, Lim, what do you think on re-upload the first banner sometimes (delete and upload) to make the contest’ s_n thumb appears at the favorites of everybody? 2 or 3 times a day, maybe.
Maybe it will boost the number of votes.
And a question. Could you tell us how much fotologers have s_n in their F/F list? I’m curious.
Thanks.

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 leolecal @ 2004-01-30 12:39 said:
i`m curious too.. :P
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 zwigmar @ 2004-01-30 15:43 said:
You`ll never know what you`re missing unless you look at the 4 fotos of the 4 poor guys relegated to the 2nd page of the recent fotos! Go there and find out for yourself! This is not a request for your vote, if you don`t like my foto just say "I wish I never listened to that guy!"
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 lampiao @ 2004-01-30 16:53 said:
spamming?

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 limone @ 2004-01-30 17:05 said:
@lampiao: the simple problem is: I can`t do that because I`m not that much online during the weekend and not at all on Sunday and Monday. Pat will take care of the log during that time.

@zwigmar: in every contest we had so far there was a 2nd page of submissions because we always had more than 20 submissions in the past. ;-)

I will let you know about the number of f/f listings as soon as I managed to login again to s_n, fotolog won`t let me right now... :-(
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 limone @ 2004-01-30 17:12 said:
418 other Fotologgers have added s_n to their F/F list
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Message

Edited by author 01-30-2004 05:38 PM
re. torre_a's voting: alright it's suspicious but the rule that a flog must be around for one week to participate applies to uploading a photo, not to casting a vote, so it's not against the rules, at least not for the rules for the #400 contest. (I don't say it's good but actually we cannot argue with the rules in that case... :-/ )

@rodrigov: I had intentionally left pat's message in for a while to make clear the pic is valid. I have deleted the comments now as requested.

Edited by author 01-30-2004 06:00 PM
thanks Limone, it works. I doubled my votes in the last upload.
:-)

There are only a few votes.. What's happening?

Yes, very slow :-(

I leave the voting up a little longer. I had trouble connecting to fotolog the past days, maybe others had the same problem...

the hole website is slow.. even visiting.. ://

Edited by author 02-03-2004 09:52 AM
saved comments from currently active banner:

jpinho @ 2004-02-02 19:48 said:
I give up....
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 leal @ 2004-02-03 00:02 said:
No more sequential numbers ? My vote is "any photo", doesnt matter other stuffs. Blahhhhh, theres some days I dont see any sequential numbers here, just those warnings ! Bleeeeeeehh !
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 lchico @ 2004-02-03 03:22 said:
Come on... Lets move... put on the new banner "GO 401" voting time is over its february 3rd already... VAMOS

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 sequential_nmbrs @ 2004-02-03 09:51 said:
Sorry folks, but I don`t have time to do the counting currently. I had asked Pat to help me out because I was traveling for two days.

Fact is that we don`t have a regular mod currently, so either we find at least one new mod who can be there on a regular basis and help out or we have to stop the whole thing until Hugo returns.

The voting time had been extended for one day since Fotolog was so awfully slow during the last days that many people couldn`t connect to the site or leave a vote, also it was not possible to check the pages for valid votes. This has been discussed in the QT board.

Oh btw, ANYBODY CAN COUNT VOTES AND PREPARE STATS (thanks for the last stats btw :-) ). So, instead of just whining, what about doing something constructive and helping out, when it`s obvious that some help is needed?

Yeah, that sounds pissed and it`s intentional. This is a community project, so it would be nice to see the community behave like one - the mods don`t have any benefit from the contest, the contests are there because you want them, but if this project shall survive, participating in it is a bit more than writing comments and uploading photos.

-- limone

Lampiao = 18
jvc = 15
yeliseev = 12
dreamer = 7
henrique_oleiro = 5
limone = 2
fotofuzzi = 1
kmc = 1
jimsk = 1
zwigmar = 0
ivo = 0
sabinche = 0
powershots = 0
dimilinchen = 0
zutra = 0
jphino = 0
neptuno = 0
rodrigov = NOT VALID (ruler)

Now I am not applying for a moderator-job, so please don't offer me one... I just want to get the game moving again!!

AND THE WINNER IS LAMPIAO with
"STAIRWAY TO SEX-HEAVEN"

thanks, lchico!
rodrigov is valid, though, we had discussed this.

I cannot connect at all to fotolog right now and have to go to bed now (it's close to 1 after midnight over here).

Anybody else trouble connecting?
re. proceeding after 400: the 401 was not valid, too small. As I said, I have not much time currently, so all I can do is delete an invalid upload here and then, but there's no time for long rebuilds. However, you don't need a mod for discussing images or rebuilding a sequence by doing re-uploads, that could be a community thing as well... right?

hey, what about moving on? :P

Edited by author 02-19-2004 05:15 PM
The phonetic spelling gives me a headache. plz stp it. It's difficult for non English speakers to try and translate phonetic spelling in something like babel-fish. Please won't someone think of the children? Thank You.

i see that the natives are getting restless....so....i guess i'll need to get indoctrinated REAL quick. my email's on my about....or post to /credd.

is this pic valid? (http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=6639080)

i mean, i can see the number, but my point is: is that a standalone number?

what about this new 421? is it a printout or not?

the rules say: burnt option

"Typed documents (Printouts like receipts, tickets or similar are acceptable if the source is trusted and the person that posted it is a sequential_numbrs regular. regular means: must have a minimum of 5 accepted numbers in the sequence.)"

I think it's valid. I like it too!

I think it is valid, and very original! I looked at something similar to this...but I'd have had to post at 2late.

I believe it?s plainly valid. I?d just sharpen it a little bit...

i love #421. it´s FAR more creative than these fucking street numbazz.

Edited by author 02-27-2004 03:15 PM
yep leo yr rite!
like rule 1 says: ... (no scans from magazines or photos from the web)
but we discussed this b4.. no stuff from magz or boox..
so NOT valid

& oow good idea 2 cap the amount of house #s submitted by floggerz, lets say 5-7/10

Hi, I want to be a good participant, but I have two questions. Are decimal points ok? Say that gas goes to 6.49 per gallon (God forbid), would that count as 649? Other question, supposed there are a bunch of numbers on a sign, like 6.49, 7.20 and 5.30; can I just pick the number that I want to use for sequential and sort of void the others that might be seen in my photo? Or should I try to zoom in so close that no other numbers show? Thank-you. Delina with Pixelation, Abundance, Equine & Angles.

Edited by author 03-02-2004 09:56 AM
These are common point discussed before..

The numbers in commas, points and so ever are not valid. Just try to read it. Instead of six hundred and forty nine it's a six point forty nine, so not valid.

About many numbers, the important thing is: is the number you want to show the subject of the picture? i mean, you can have small numbers on it, but the 'wanted number' should not be part of a bigger number. I guess using the zoom is always better.

Well, this is my opinion.. let the other mods pronounce theirs. ;)

Thank-you.

is a number from a car's plaque alright (i mean if it is a standalone number within the plaque) ?

or is it a burnt option?

[plaque] i mean registration plate...

you can submit a license plate (once for each block of 100)...however...it MUST BE a stand alone number. from the #426 uploaded...its not clear.

ok, fair enough. i'll hunt for the same car in the whole city if needed!
:)

What happens to the numbers whcih have already posted after the not valid 226? Do we have to post them again? When I left the flog yesterday we were already at 229!

yes...per rule #9...If the moderator must delete a number for a rules violation then that number and all of the subsequent numbers are deleted and the game starts over at the last valid number before the violation. Therefore be sure to watch the game in case you need to replay a number.

it's a shame in my opinion..

I have not been able to log in to upload for the past 8 hours?

So phone numbers on signs are no good, right?
I mean if for example if there is a 468 as the exchange (which I just so happen to have).

hey where is the 500 contest?!!!

What happened to the 500 contest? After 100, 500 is the singular most important mark in the sequence! We can't let this go past without a contest.

i posted a 'hold' sign on the site until i can communicate with the other mods. i've emailed them and should hear something soon!

Credd, I hope you get some discussion in and do something special with 500. I thought it would just be everybody that wanted to could post a 500 as sort of a celebratory thing, no win, no lose, just 500s. Or maybe the best looking 500, or most original or whatever. I like the former idea better than the latter. I have a 501 I was wanting to post but didn't think we were in danger of starting 501 yet. Well, we'll see. I'll be watching for new instructions. :0)

Edited by author 04-13-2004 12:02 PM
Well, Pixelation have brought a good idea here - just (valid, please) 500's. Now let's wait for the other mods' opinions...

pixelation's idea is a good one. we could just let everyone post their valid 500's and then start the next series on saturday.

ohomemcueca...i sent you an email...but i got a return.

lbl's can shot is invalid:
http://www.terravista.pt/FerNoronha/4143/c.../descobrimentos.htm

On the rules is written that labels are not valid. but it would be only "ml" or "gr" ones or any kind of label?

Beatrix..
it's valid.. your 500 is ok

keijie mag number is invalid

"burned options
Magazine numbers."

Rienji, not keijie

Hi, I have a question about the 400 series that just ended. I got 10 valid numbers. Do I get to do 15/100 next time for the 500s, or only if I win the 500 contest? Is who gets the most valid numbers out of 100 a contest? If the only contest is just at the hundreds mark, then why were people teasing about only have "1" and others had "4" etc. I remain confused.

there's no 'prize'. but...15/100 would be something good to consider. unfortunately...i haven't talked with the other mods...and have just been expressing my own opinion.

INDIANAPOLIS 500 is not valid, this girl got this photo from internet ( http://www.brickyard.com/500/)
;0[

Sorry

Is that boy instead of this girl
but his 500 is not valid.....

mine is valid ;-) but indianapolis and the magazine not

thanks for looking out!!!

that mag shot was cool though!

500´s rienji in my opinion is valid!!!
;0)

@jpinho: I am very impressed! How comes it that you knew about the Indianapolis sign in the Internet??? Do you check them, or did you just happen to know?

yo people! My upload is valid, right?
I have that issue of spider-man in my collection, and i take that picture from a comic of my collection, only this... so... its valid, right?

thx =D

Dimi

Some photos "smell" like fake, then I tried to get them from Internet ( the best source for people without imagination..)In the past I found out another like that, did you remember ?
The 484 smells fake but I did not find anything out.
;0)

What do you think of the stereo? I guess that's valid...

no reinji.. that's a shame.. that's ridiculous..

but ur shot is not valid

it's the number of a magazine.. invalid..
:(
find another 500

Thursday 4/15/2004
I am out of the office and will return on Tuesday 4/20/2004.
Please contact John Weiss x1403 if you need assistance during this time.

ooops!!
http://www.yale.edu/opa/v30.n33/story1.html

OMG
That´s a real SHAME!
SKAR Yale 500 Homebuyer is INVALID!!!!
Please see : http://www.yale.edu/opa/v30.n33/story1.html
Mod , please delete this shit!!!!
;0[

grrrr
fotolog went crazy again
please delete my first.. i've sent and nothing happened, so i sent it again (another version this time)

sorry.. not my fault (and its still an x for me)

now i understad.. it's on the main page:
To improve image delivery we`re moving Fotologs that begin with "S" over to a faster server. For the next few hours some of their images might appear to be missing, but they`re safe and sound and will reappear as they get moved.

just to help the moderator.
there are a few irregular pics at 500 contest:

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?pid=7691984 (501)
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?pid=7691979 (adddadda's stuff)
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?pid=7691881
 (duplicated)
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?pid=7689925 (see here: http://www.yale.edu/opa/v30.n33/story1.html
)
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=7680298 (numbered magazine)
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=7679656 (see here: http://www.terravista.pt/FerNoronha/4143/c.../descobrimentos.htm)

hhihi

where are the mods?
Who are the mods?

i've been answering this for weeks.

To also help the mods:
DELETE This one:

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=7660154
(scandalous 475)

and, as Rodrigov's 270 was not accepted, u must delete these:

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=5106009
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=4384791
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=4276316
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=2554173
http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=3087770

please. delete my 500..
u deleted the wrong one..
so i can upload the right one.

:\

i deleted the /yale homebuyer photo. thanks for looking out!

for a list of the mods....see

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=6407141

thanks credd..
but where r the other mods? Are they still alive?
never seen 2 of them here

by the way.. credd has a very nice flog. Dicovered it today :)

you're welcome jvc.

i usually communicate with them via email or msn chat.
thanks for the compliments on my flog! :)

fill all the 6 spaces on the left with banners
fill all the 6 spaces on the left with banners
fill all the 6 spaces on the left with banners
fill all the 6 spaces on the left with banners

i agree!

fill all the 6 spaces on the left with banners

i'm filling them now. and will delete the 2late 500.

credd.. u are the man
thanks..

i know that's bad for me (my 500 was on the front page), but rules r rules

CRedd.

better create a new banner written on it:

CLICK ON MORE TO SEE THE PICTURES

something like this

jvc...thanks for everything!

and why aren't you a mod?

hehe.. not enough time to mod /eye, /password and this one too..

SEE:

04/17/04

Eu, Xuaum, Ailne e Will, lah no shops....
hehehehe....

http://www.fotolog.net/sequential_nmbrs/?photo_id=7685114
entrem nesse flog e escrevam: i vote for this one


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This guy must be desqualified.

it's a shame.. ;)