egark /m434 maybe then the word "public" should be changed to something that better describes it then like "open" meeting.

Observer /m433 -- can somebody just walking down the street that day come in to the meeting? Do the wives, friends, etc. have the right to be there or are they just allowed? Can anyone join the union? The answers to all these questions are "no." Union meetings are not public meetings.

egark /m431 from the San Diego meetings I have seen I would say yes that anyone could come to them that had an interest in them. Because I have seen wives, family members, friends, and non-member coworkers come to these meeting. Each came for different reasons. Maybe like wife to be with the husband. Older child to do research work on how a meeting is held or to find out about a Union for a school project. Non-members coworkers to see if they want to join our local. (some have joined)

But, the only time the meeting has been a non-public meeting has been when charges are going to be read and the members are to decide about what to do with the trial board verdict. Then at the meeting the non-members have been asked to step outside to wait until this has been completed. Afterwards, non-members have been let back in to the local's meeting.

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Are you wanted by the FBI? Have you performed criminal activities under your name? If not then why not reveal it? It can't be worse then Englbert Humperdink. Unless, you are saying that you can be held accountable for any activity or writing that you do on these posts.You've admitted you lied ( in a very flippant fashion)and you still seek to obfuscate your identity. When the curtain was pulled away from the Wizard of Oz he was found out to be a fraud. Step away from the curtain and masks. On some level people would say this is all childishness the inability to identify yourself.

I will answer your question regarding experience. First, I think everyone can agree that are some shop stewards and officials who have been involved with the Union forever who are less then competent. Heck, we have a presidential candidate who is being dinged for not having run a large corporation, not having been an ambassador and has minimal time in politics. The other candidate is seen as having too much experience and this is translated as being too old. I think the President of the US is a little more important then the position that Larry is running for.

What has to be looked at is what do these candidates bring to the table. Larry is a very intelligent man who has many interests beside surfing. He has been subjected to a great many indignities under the CS regime. We all know of co-workers who get away with many illegalities and who are never busted. Larry was on every maintenance supervisor's hit list for even the most trival offense. He understands that supervision does not appreciate or even recognize the individual. That management can and will be abusive. Larry is tenacious about correcting wrongs and he has never afraid to hold people's feet to the iron. While some shop stewards hem and haw and act just plain obsequious to managemnt -Larry will change the status quo. Sometimes things have to be shakened up. So experience is not the always the be all and end all.

The elections close on April 10 and I hope everyone votes. I am also hoping that "San Diego" does the right thing and tells us who they are - Marion and I did it. I don't know when I will post next but I say again thank you for your patience. The internet is a fascinating place but it must be used responsibly. I was always amazed at stings that the police conducted trying to catch child abusers on line. I now see how easy it is to hide and misrepresent one's identity. Words and meanings take on new slants which I investigated in my own social experiment.

You know there is a price of admission to a Union meeting. It is not cheap you have to sign up to be a member and have the money deducted from your salary. That is why I wondered why there was any question regarding whether or not a union meeting was a public function.

san diego /m430 -- can anybody walk into the meeting? If not then it is not "public." Every state has public meeting laws are they are all pretty much the same. Here's is Oregon's: http://www.open-oregon.com/New_Pages/192-610.shtml

Ya I lied! If you want to say I did not reveal my name, but I am revealing my screen name, (see above) because I never said I would reveal my birth name.

Now answer me this. how can someone who has NEVER been a shop steward, been to 6 or 7 union meetings have any qualification to be our assistant maintenance craft director?

next time I pass you in the hallway I will say hi.

By the way Randy is NOT the steward who handled Larry's out of schedule grievance. It was a female who ricky fired! Larry told me so! And I have asked Larry to thank her but he changed the subject!

egark could you post some references as there are public people at these meetings (ie spouses who are non-members).

Marion /m428 -- a union meeting is not a "public meeting" in the sense of those laws. Public meetings are town councils, school boards, etc.

Kitty you asked me in /425 a question concerning the legality. Yes, that video was on the up and up. Also, according to Federal and State laws "public meetings" maybe recorded by anyone and seen by anyone. The earlier part of the meeting that was concerning the trial board and their findings concerning the actions of Rick Cornelius was in a closed meeting for members only. I was there at that meeting and voted to uphold the finding of the trial board. Unfortunately, there was to many individuals voted to disregard the findings of the trial board. So Rick Cornelius was not held accountable for his actions at our local. Instead, it has now been sent up to National to be reviewed and hopefully to have the proper action taken on it.

What do I see another message from San Diego. Well, Marion this individual is apparently playing for the same side you are but do take note this person does not keep their word. Said he would come out of the closet with his name. Did you see a name? I gave my name and still he didn't. He will use the name to threaten me but stays safe in his annoymous state. It is really easy to spout off about anything when you have no fear of it being brought back to your own door. Man has no understanding of the words, honor, integrity or even loyalty. I mention loyalty becuase a loyal person will stand by you no matter what it takes regardless of the personal cost. San Diego's hide is obviously so valuable to him he can't even honor his word to say who he is. The word that applies to San Diego is LIAR. So ignore his posts obviously he has lied once in these postings so his word cannot be trusted. Called me Bonhoeffer (Lou) in /m415. And the actual phrase was :" And Bonhoeffer when you admit who you are then I will." /m415.

The steward who got Larry the money was Randy Sollinger and he is on the ticket. So who the heck San Diego is fabricating as the steward? It is just another indication of his mendacious personality.

Yeah, I am a friend of Larrys. San Diego do you remember the phrase, "Judge not lest you be judged." Everything you stated was your opinion which you can have but you still performed a nasty act. No one in this lifetime doesn't have skeletons in their closet. Larry never personally wounded/hurt you but you have made it personal because you have "judged him" and found him not worthy. All this done in secret without him knowing who you are. I take my hat off to you apparently you can walk on water and were crucified for mankind's sins. Hey, what would the real Jesus do? Would he judge as harshly as you?

Toot-toot-tootsie goodbye Kittykat aka Black Hole. Let us see if she keeps her word about saying good bye. She's a liar too. Just note the exact phrasing of my comment to her. Then tell me she didn't read it. Timing is everything.The creative writing and social experiment will now end as well. Sorry about the crudeness.Again, Hasta La Vista, Baby. I know I am repeating myself but oh what a great line and a fairly decent flick.

And no, I am not going all religious on everyone only on those who have the odor of pious sanctity that they have no business to.

My apologies to those who are asking true postal questions for taking so much of your time. Hope you all are having a great weekend.

/m422 You could look around your neighboring offices and see if there is a PMR you could borrow occasionally to keep you under 40.