I am planning a second pregnancy & wondered if anyone has tried eliminating Milk and soy during pregnancy (first, last or all 3 trimesters)? I have not been able to find much information to back up the idea that this works, but would be willing to give it a try if anyone thinks it can make a difference.

Nikki: I agree that there is very likely something still in your diet that is still bothering your son. I also understand the appreciation for even partial improvement. When you are at 100% miserable, dropping to only 50% miserable is huge! For us, my son was OK with the soy fats (lecithin and oil), but was very sensitive to gluten as well as milk/soy. An elimination diet was the way we figured out about the gluten.

By the way, message /m14998 is a "welcome" post from a while ago that has lots of helpful links in it about food lists, elimination diets, etc.

Thanks everyone - makes my decision a little easier. Going to work on cutting out the soy oil & lecithin (bye bye last few foods I could eat) ;)

I agree with the others - no need to do the other procedures yet. My son was older when he was diagnosed, but it took about 4 weeks to find all the hidden soy and dairy (and some doctors will tell you that soy lecithin and oil are OK... remove it anyway). It then took 4 weeks before he seemed to really be on the mend. It sounds like you're seeing progress...

Nikki: I wouldn't agree to endoscopy yet. I would first ask doc probing questions like, "what would you be looking for with these procedures?" Or, "is there something you're concerned about that you're not telling me?" I personally doubt the latter but the question might let him know you expect more from your relationship than perhaps 70% of patients out there expect from their doctors.

Dee Dee

Nikki, if you want to email me, I can send you some articles that you might find helpful. j2thaxton@att.net

Nikki - No need to rush to and endo/ultrasound yet! Many of have experienced that it takes at least 6 weeks to heal. Have you taken out soy oil and soy lecithin yet? After you take out those, and check very, very carefully all supplements, vitamins, probiotics, ingredient labels for every scrap and iota of milk and soy, then you may want to try an elimination diet. It is not uncommon for our babies to be sensitive to more than just milk and soy. But first, do make sure that you have sniffed out every possible source of milk and soy.

Hey Everyone~ I'm new to this site and am looking to hear about your experiences as they relate to my son, Luke. Luke is 2 months old and has had chronic diarrhea since about 2 weeks old. At 6 weeks old, he was diagnosed with a milk/ soy allergy and as he is breastfeeding, I have eliminated milk and soy from my diet. We have been on the diet for 2 weeks and have seen some improvement but not to the extent that we would have hoped. How long was it before you saw improvement?

The MD now wants to do an endoscopy and ultrasound. Do you think this is necessary? Luke's stools are still very watery, but they have decreased from about 10 per day to about 5 per day. He still has nasal congestion, is very gassy, and has periods of inconsolable crying. But we are now able to put him down in the swing when he is asleep and we could not do this before (he would always wake up and cry).

I'm wondering why the MD doesn't look more into the food allergies...Do you think we should have seen better results by now?
Thanks!

Jennifer -
I just ordered from Kirkman labs - we are waitingn to get it in the mail - they have one that is dairy/soy free and formulated for babies - best to call them just to confirm - but i've been searching forever myself and thought i'd try this

melanie - you probably are a pro at this compared to me - but just my 2 cents - the shot could have upset her gi balance - hence the grn poop - do you use probioitics? esp be/c if she does end up w a secondary inf and on antibiotics, she'll be one step ahead...

Melanie: my kids are both sick right now. They got colds that turned bad. Elli's cold turned into bronchitis. Robby's cold turned into an ear infection. And on their worse days, they were miserable. Did I mention that these coincided with each other? Oh, and Elli's poops turn bad when her immune system is challenged. All this being said, I would have her ears checked for inflammation.

Dee Dee

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I don't post much so here's a quick picture of Natalie: She has reflux and has been on meds for two years. She's intolerant to dairy and wheat and allergic to peanuts. She 26.5 months old.


Natalie has had two horrible nights. Last night she wouldn't go in her crib and nursed practically the whole night. The night before, she was in her crib, but was moaning every hour. This was accompanied by generally okay days at daycare, but very fussy mornings and evenings. She's generally cooperative and happy, but she's melting down over everything.


Last night, she wouldn't let me touch her head and said that it hurt her. I tried to ask her again if something hurt and she touched her ears so I asked her if her ear hurt. She said yes. I asked her later and she said no. Our rule is that we do her "head" exercises before nursing so she's used to this, but she was a mess about it last night. I wondered if her ears hurt, so I skipped it last night. (Natalie goes to CST and these are her home exercises).


She had her H1N1 shot on Saturday and had a fever between 102 and 103 the whole weekend. Anyone have any experiences with side effects from the H1N1 shot? Natalie had a huge reaction to her 2-month shots with days and days of screaming. Since then, we break up her shots. But, this was only one shot and I can't find out much information about it.


We are also trialing going off of the Prevacid by alternating days, but she got the medicine yesterday and her night was even worse than the night before. Daycare said that she refused snack, but after breakfast and lunch. Last night, she refused dinner, but had a snack later. Her MO for reflux problems usually starts with sleep difficulties and fussiness. That's followed with refusing to eat. Sometimes she spits up also, but not always. These days, she doesn't spit up much anymore.


To top it all off, her poop has been green the last 2 days. This morning, she reached for her tummy and groaned. We can't figure out what she could have eaten that she doesn't normally. We have asked at daycare and from what they've said she's had, the foods are okay for her.


Help - should I put her back on the Prevacid? Call the doctor about a possible ear infection? Wait it out to see if it's the H1N1 shot?





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Cathianne: I hear you on the PTSD thing. I feel the same way. It's like we been walking through a mine field and the grocery store is boobie trapped! My child is now sucessfully drinking raw cow milk in small doses. Soy in large quantities still seems to be a big issue for her. good luck on your trials.

Diana - thank you for the time frame. The allergist said "a few weeks," and it was 5:30 at night and I was so freaked out that we were going to be trying soy that I never thought to ask what that meant in real life. That means we have about a week to go!

After that next week is up - we were told we could try milk. I think I've seen this progression from people on this site before: cheese, then yogurt, then baked goods, then straight milk. The doctor also wants us to have his stool checked for blood three times after we start milk even if it appears there isn't a problem - just in case it's not visible.

Have other people had the experience of going successfully from soy to then trying milk? What happened? I know every baby is different, but I'm just wanting to hear the possibilities, I guess. I'm extremely nervous. The soy made me nervous - but the milk. I think I have a mom's version of PTSD about the whole thing... just need some grounding in reality.

One more thought about soy, is that in processed foods it's very concentrated. When you eat an edamame bean you're getting a range of nutrients that are refined out of the "soy protein isolates" etc. that are in processed foods. I agree with Cathianne, moderation is key, and recognizing the source.

Karen Reill - My daughter wasn't even consuming milk (only had it in my diet for her first 2 weeks) and still showed up positive with it on the prick test at a year. I always thought it would be only the immediate reactions that would show up that way, but my understanding is that some allergies are expressed in the belly instead of the traditional way. I wish we had a visible way of knowing that she was reacting, then I'd be more clear about whether she could tolerate "shared equipment" products, etc.

Karen Reill and Jennifer - My daughter healed up beautifully once we started a probiotic called Synergy by Designs for Health, 1/4 tsp daily mixed into anything. We got it at the naturopath, I'm sure you can find a provider online. We started it at 13 months, when she was in so much distress she could only handle chicken and Alimentum for 2 months. I'm convinced it helped her move ahead. Culturelle used to be cultured on dairy, but I think I remember reading that they may have stopped that. I would call the company.

Jill - I always found rice pasta to be terrific for binding my daughter up when she was ill. No nutrients, but fluids, and you can put a healthy oil on it. Good when she's sick and doesn't want to eat much.

Cathianne - We have been advised by the allergist to do our "challenging" challenges for three weeks to know for sure.