Edited by author 09-22-2003 05:47 PM
Just managed to get on (in Alton), and the result is: 4.8Kb/second or 39 Kbps. If it's working tomorrow AM i'll try then. That was using a Tosh laptop with a USB connection.

Just tried another one after clearing the browser cache: 2.8 K bytes/sec or 23 Kbps - same hardware

One more thing - looking at the log for the Motorola GPRS manager, I notice that I set the Quality of service to "default - subscribed preference" in all cases, but lookig at the log it shows "Setting Quality Of Service - Minimum" - i'm not sure if this changes to something a bit higher once I get connected ..

Edited by author 09-23-2003 09:40 AM
Not too bad @ 39kbs- change in speed between the 2 tests is most likely down to load variations on the cell. What signal strength is your phone showing?

QOS- I'm not sure this is too relevant, depends if voda have implemented QOS in their network yet.

Phone strength was about 50% both times. re the QOS, I'm using Orange - had to come off Vodafone due to extremely poor reception in Alton..

Jim Hughes, re your /m14 - I'm not convinced.

It's far from cheap, true; but the numbers of people prepared to use it at this price are far from huge. Keep the price at today's level, and everybody will simply wait for a WiFi hotspot to be set up.

Cut the price to the level where people can actually use it, and I'm not sure the payback is justified. I'm looking at the (very poor!) 3G coverage that is already there. It's coming along with fits and starts and hiccups, but it is coming. Most phone companies are now starting to plan the slowdown of their investment in GSM masts, not a vast increase.

And the potential of GPRS isn't great. Once there's a choice between the 30K average speed of GPRS and the 300K of 3G or the 512K of WiFi/broadband, GPRS will not stay popular except in emergency, I feel.

Guy (re /m21), I don't know the figures so you could well be right.

GPRS is starting to smell a bit like ISDN, good functional tech but overtaken and too heavily priced to get the market penetration it really deserved.

Jim/Guy

I'm not sure I agree with this. WLAN hotspot coverage will never approach the ubiquity of GSM/GPRS, and neither will 3G in the short term.
The market is't exactly flooded with quality 3G handsets yet, and there is no mass market for laptop/PDAs. GPRS is appearing in most new GSM handsets though, and they have a pretty large market. My money is on email to handsets/Blackberries, MMS and telematics as the applications which will drive GPRS. We'll see if the per kb charge comes down, I'm guessing it will in time.

Mike,
I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying, however, that there's a limit to how far down it can come.

A lot depends on how quickly we get true (seamless) roaming from hotspot to GPRS. If I log onto a hot spot - and then find I haven't finished, but I've got to move (catch a train, taxi, whatever) then I won't mind too much doing a few close-down operations over GPRS - you know, saving the file, leaving the chat-room, and so on.

But even then, I'll be sure to set my system up so that if it sees something that isn't GPRS, it drops off instantly.

So the question - which I can't answer - is how much of the time I'll be in reach of a hotspot, and how much of my work will simply have to be done RIGHT NOW whether I'm at a hotspot or not.

If the volumes go down, then the network will have to keep charges relatively high. If the volumes go up, the networks will have to increase their provision. Either way, it doesn't sound like a formula for huge profits.

Hi all,

I've worked on GPRS network infrastructure and have some comments that might help check the bandwidth you're getting.

The performance is related to all the things you would expect like RF coverage and all the forms of interference. But it is also very dependent on the traffic profile. The protocols are not great at supporting intermittent data as there is a reasonable overhead in establishing a GPRS radio link (temporary block flow) and getting the coding scheme adjusted to give an optimum throughput.

Therefore there's a good chance that just browsing the web will give a poor throughput (other reasons aside) depending on the page content. If you have a data kit or PCMCIA card, try using a PC to FTP/HTTP a large file or download some streaming media.

With our kit, we find variations from 30 - 70+ kbit/s depending on traffic pattern.

Also, GPRS is *very* phone dependent. We can achieve 70+ kbit/s on a Sierra Wireless PCMCIA card (highly recommended) while we can crash a Sagem (battery out to recover) by sending it >~40kbit/s.

You may also be interested to know, there is an operator in the States (OK, perhaps bad example as GSM/GPRS usage is a lot lower than here but...) that has a single 64Kbit/s link for about 1/3 of the country...

Edited by author 09-26-2003 06:00 AM
Hi Guy, just read your latest piece, copied on the Register, it seems O2 are doing it as well.

I built a WAP site for a friend and uploaded it to some webspace I have, I can access it fine using wapsilon but not if I go through O2's wap service on my phone.

Several other people i've asked to test it report the same problem as well, although I havent chased it up yet to see what networks they are on.

Regards

Dazzz

GPRS guy,
We're getting good and technical now ;+)
GPRS throughput also varies significantly by available coding scheme-therefore influenced by handset and network capabilities too.

Guy,
Your comments are true for the laptop/PDA user (and me too!), but as mentioned earlier that's a pretty small segment of the market, even though laptop/pda users can generate orders of magnitude more data.

please let me know which is the best gprs mobile phone.

what is the modem speed.

as i am planning to buy one


u can mail me on sumit@jiskcon.com

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