No matter what happens during war, you as a veteran or active enlisted personnel know what you did and how you did it. The news of last week, some say we were tarnished by the treatment of Iraqi prisoners. In every war we have problems such as these but we go on and serve, go home and re-enter cilvian life. On Memorial Day we need to honor those who paid the highest price and never forget. I will take my grandson's to services that day and instill something they will also never forget.

remember your military injuries become compensable if they are aggravated by what you do at work contact 727-449-1984

connie who are you? not a vet, i'm betting! if you're trying to help, post your win/loss record. if you're just trolling for work, bye bye.

federal employees compensation-eeo consultants-advocates do federal workers compensation, eeo, and mspb cases

Mailhandler /m14
The "minimum" Disability retirement is supposed to be 40%. However, with that said, I am not sure it applies to FERS. Since the FERS retirement is 1 percent a year for each year worked, 11 x 2 = 22%. If you were in CSRS you would receive 40% as the base, and 2 percent for each year over 20 years.
There is a formula that I will attempt to find for you that indicated the exact renummeration. The first 10 years are split with different percentages, then there is an amount for the second 10 years and the 2 percent for time over 20 years.

Edited by author 05-24-2004 11:59 AM
Lonestar /m22
I don't think that Connie was being difficult Lonestar, so your posting was a bit cruel. ANYONE that offers help, even if the help doesn't apply directly to a veteran, or other brother or sister in arms, should be seen as a resource. Let the individual who needs the information search out the connection, and find the answer(s) that are needed for the specific situation.

http://p203.ezboard.com/bvetbenefits
Some of you may want to check out this link for Veteran Benefits.

http://www.lunewsviews.com/your_rights/vetrights.htm
Another link that will send you to more informational locations.

On this memorial day, remenber our fallen and their sacrifice. Never forget! We owe them our respect.

     I am a 7 year Army Veteran and have been injured on the job with a herniated disc in my neck and have been harassed and retaliated countless times by several supervisors. Here's what's going on right now:

     I have a big problem concerning EEO procedures with the judge and their lawyer. I was supposed to have a tele-conference with them on a certain date and time but, it wasn't affirmative. The day it was scheduled, my 204b supervisor told me that it was that day at 11:00 a.m. Never told me where it was or how he got the info. When asked, he said he didn't know and that it was written on his calendar. I went to the street as usual and waited for the call to come to my home or cell phone number. It never happened. Yesterday, 6-2-04, the 204b, calls me into the "blue" room to discuss "corrective" action with me. This happens two weeks after the incident. I took a union steward with me. He told me that he had ordered me to be back at the office at 11:00 a.m. on the day of the tele-conference. He couldn't remember what day that was(go figure). Anyway, I told him he never told me it was going to be at the office or I would've been there. Steward asks, why is there going to be discipline? Because their jumping down my a--, and I have to give her "corrective" action. Why? The judge and lawyer called that day and waited an hour for me to come back to the office. 204b said he asked if he should get me but, they told him to wait to see if I would show up. Now the 204b wants to give me an LOW.
     What do I do now? I called the judge's office today but, could only get an answering machine so, I left a message. I did get thru to the lawyer, but, she said(bitchely, is that a word?), "you'll have to talk to the judge about it and see if he believes your story". All I was trying to do was apologize to her.
     Any comments, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Postmaster has her name written all over this......Can they do this?

IceQueen /m30
I hope you are keeping a notebook with each incident listing times, places, people, what was said, who said what, what was the tone of voice, etc, etc.

Your union steward (and you sound like a carrier) can be an effective umbrella to the dismay of management, but then again that is part of their job as they protect you from bad management/managers.

I don't understand the "judge and their lawyer" concerning the teleconference. So unless you are into something extreme, that 204B(itch) should have allowed you to teleconference, and that is why they are up his butt. It was the supervisors' responsibility to insure that you were at the appointed place at the appointed time. Don't let them intimidate you concerning harassment in our ZERO TOLERANCE environment.

any vets being excessed out there interested in a level 5 clerk regular position in New Hampshire? S/M off level 18 office need window ans bulk mail. will be vacated dec 31.
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IceQueen,

I would file an EEO Complaint against the 204-B(wanna-be) and then contact District to file charges against him for failing to do his JOB PROPERLY! WHAT A JOKE! He ought to be fired right now for this because it is clearly his fault for failure to notify you of the meeting and where was your lawyer? What are you paying them for? Mis-communication? File charges with the state for malpractice.

I'm not an attorney myself, but, this ridiculous. I have a 4 year degree myself and I know quite a bit about federal law.

IODuty, thanks for your input. I have filed a new EEO against this supervisor for retaliation/reprisal for me participating in EEO activity. The letter he sent the judge was nothing but, lies. So, the AJ has dismissed my case with prejudice. What does that mean? I have to wait 40 day's to appeal this decision. I swear that they're all in cahoots over this. Sound familiar to any of you? Trying to keep my head up. Don't have a lawyer. Can't afford one. I think that's part of the reason why I've gotten screwed so badly. Think any vet lawyers would take a retaliation case on against the PO?

"without prejudice" means you can come back again with the same issue. "with prejudice" usually means you are done.

Edited by author 07-27-2004 07:14 PM
a lawyer named pritchet from =I think- colorado takes postal cases , he used to be on these sites with infomercials. maybe you can locate him??

anyone been discriminated against due to their service connected condition? anyone had to go through the reasonable accomodation proceedure because their job was in jepardy due to a service connected condition? any lawyers out there know anything about discrmination against 30% plus rated veterans?

old soldier..I am a preference eligible veteran (Viet-Nam), but less than 10%.

However, I appeared before the RAC for an on the job injury. I had to appear in front of them because OWCP hadn't adjudicated my claim before my Dr released me to return to work.It took 11 mo. for OWCP to accept my claim.

 The PO refused to provide me a reasonable accommosdation, citing a 2002 Supreme Court decision narrowing the definition of the term "major life impairing " disability

The PO is currently referring injured employees to OWCP/Voc Rehab for placement in the private sector. They may be looking to push you into a disability retirement.

If you have a "major life impairing" disability you are covered under the Rehab Act of 1973, which is the federal sector equivalent of the American with Disabilities Act.

If you feel you are being discriminated against, based on your disability, you may file an EEO complaint within 45 days of the incident. Visit the Injured Employees Forum and the EEO forum for more help.

YOU ALL HAVE TO CHECK THIS WEB SITE WWW.SWIFTVETS.COM

old soildier -- I had a 40%er working for me. When things got worse he went to the VA. He recd help there from the DAV. He recd 100%, PO disability, and Soc Sec disability. Making more now than ever. I'm a 40%er, Nam combat injury,,,, If I had been a carrier my last 2 years I'm sure it would have been a problem too. Much depends on our job description/requirements. Good luck

Old Soldier,

I would contact the National DAV Headquarters in Washington, DC. You can find a link here: www.dav.org and you will find the address and phone number for the DC office. They are more likely to answer your question than anyone else. I'm a 40% service-connected disabled vet myself and a lifetime member of the DAV. If all else fails and you have college nearby with law library; you can go into the Code of Federal Regulations - 38 CFR. You should be able to access this online as well by typing in Code of Federal Regulations.

When a person has an illness like rheumatoid arthritis, and will be off work for a period of a year or more, can they still keep their route and seniority? If so, how do you do it?

Edited by author 09-05-2004 04:36 PM
Ice Queen /m43
You ask about "illness" and "time off" from your assignment. Please check with your local NALC rep or check the national site which LU has listed on her site that also has these boards.
As for the "normal" information, if you are on "sickleave" and it is for "FMLA" covered activities (ie: "chronic illness" or "recurring illness") Please check the rules with the "Personnel Office" concerning FMLA rules and regs or go to the ("ELM") Employee Labor Manual concerning applicability, duration, and causes for FMLA coverage.
(IMHO) In My Humble Opinion, your should not be penalized in senority NOR your route, if your DOCTOR has you medically unable to "TEMPORARILY" PERFORM YOUR JOB. PLEASE NOTE ----- I SAID TEMPORARILY, NOT PERMANATELY!
You have to MAKE SURE that your DOCTOR does NOT indicate on the Postal FMLA forms that this is a PERMANENT AND FULLY DIABLING illness (which it is in the sense that it won't go away.....however, you will have your good days and weeks, and you will have your bad days and weeks).
The office of which you work, can accomondate you into a "Light duty" assignment (and it could be a temporary/permanent) assignment. They can NOT force you off your route (where you are still assigned BUT DO NOT actually carry your route anymore) NOR can they change your senority UNLESS..........UNLESS they move you to ANOTHER craft!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got it????????????

Ice Queen /m43
PS: if you are out of work for one year or more and are NOT in a pay status (annual or sick leave with pay) rather you are in an LWOP status, you will lose your health benefits.
It works the same as if you were to take a leave of absence WITHOUT PAY for up to two (2) years. Nothing kicks in until you hit the one year timeframe.
PLEASE BE AWARE OF THIS SMALL DETAIL!!!!!

Thanks again 48. I'm working on getting this wealth of information like others have talked about.

AMERICA............ARE YOU LISTENING America, thirty years ago you abandoned us. You turned your back on us, forgot our sacrifices and classified us as losers, drug addicts and social outcasts. Hollywood gladly persisted in portraying us to a younger generation and to the world as drug-addled sadists, loners and borderline psychopaths.

You never welcomed us home with open arms or words of comfort for our wounds. Instead, we were greeted by sneering leftist, Communists and fifth columnists posing as students, professors and members of the almighty press, all anxious to document the return of its wayward sons to a country all too quick and pleased to forget us.

Our own families, force-fed a diet of lies by its trusted television newsmen, doubted the nature of our sacrifices and quietly, shamefully, accepted our unadorned return.

Faced with such singular ignominy, we quietly resumed our lives, jobs, educations and careers. The overwhelming majority of us succeeded in those interrupted lives and careers, becoming doctors,engineers,architects,lawyers,businessmen,accountants,and all other professions imaginable. We established businesses, became wealthy, raised families, paid taxes, had grandchildren. By any measure, we achieved the American dream-not because it was handed to us in payment for our service,sacrifices or victimization-but earned by us in spite of it.

For thirty years and more we quietly persevered in our march to heal the wound inflicted on our souls, not by the armed enemy we faced on the battlefield, but by our countrymen in our rear - some, but not very, very many at all, who had even worn the uniform. Such a deep wound had been healing slowly and without any help from those who gleefully inflicted it.

And then, one of the men who wielded the original knife...the dagger sharpened by his ideological masters in Hanoi,Beijing,Moscow and Havana...re-emerges from our past and begins to once again twist that knife he so deeply thrust into our backs. He now emerges, wearing the mantle of respectable member of Congress, who rode his once-shameful Vietnam service into the halls of political power...who now seeks the highest office in the land, professing to be one of us...the abandoned ones, the forgotten ones, the murderers, rapists and sadists he loudly and theatrically damned in front of a world watching, listening and reading in 1971. He now proudly proclaims shedding blood for a Nation whose service he condemned in 1971, whose medals he contemptuously threw on the Capital grounds and which he now wears, unstained by the shame of his rejecting them when his nation needed solidarity. He now claims heroism as his badge of honor in an army of savages not seen since the "hordes of Genghis Khan."

And he does all of this without shame, guilt or remorse in front of us, the forgotten ones, the abandoned ones...and what is most terrifing to us, the ones who were never ashamed of our service, who have quietly kept the faith of our fathers, who have faithfully remembered and honored our dead, who have never "cashed in" on our military service, and who had slowly and painfully learned to accept our anonymity - is the fact this opportunist, this sunshine patriot, this back-stabbing traitor to his uniformed compatriots...this elitist, gold-digger...may possibly become our Commander-in-Chief.

And you...America...our dearly loved Nation...who abandoned us so many years ago, and to whom we have remained faithful nonetheless...are you going to shame us once again?

A VIETNAM VETERAN

This description does not fit the vets I know.

Nor does it fit the Disabled Vets I know.

It also does not reflect the views of the people I know. Yes, I know that there was much conflict here in the states over the Vietnam War...but I would like to think that things are and have changed for the better with regard to opinions from the American public.

I do know that many people who fought in Vietnam were tragically affected by this war. Although I was just a small infant when this war occurred....I have read much on it and continue to whenever something presents itself. As a disabled veteran myself I am fully aware of the treatment of all Veterans by the Federal Government. I know that a woman who has never worked a day in her life and is now in her 70s and beyond gets better health care than a Disabled Veteran at any VA. It's one of America's biggest and continuing crimes....Shame on this Governement I say.

I am hoping that you do not believe that the majority of Americans feel this way...I would like to think that by educating ourselves about this war that there is now, where there should have been all along...a support and appreciation for those who served.

Disabled Vietnam Vet, outstanding post. not one person in goverment could have put it so eloquently. regardless of your former rank I salute you sir. "Airborne"-"Ranger!!!

Edited by author 09-14-2004 07:59 PM
Vietnam Disabled Vet /m47
Excellent diatribe, and just so that you know that you aren't forgotten, we have aligned ourselves with two groups that are going to welcome you home (FINALLY!!!).
Check out our web site, and it lists the "Operation Homecoming USA" and "Branson Veterans Task Force" who we will be working with to finally say thanks (for some it will be too late).
As a DAV'er myself, I couldn't agree with you more!
Check us out at: http://www.BikersSupportingAmerica.com
I think you will like what you see that I have cookin' for us!!!
'48 Pan (H Co. 2/11h ACR)

Edited by author 09-22-2004 12:58 AM
To Vietnam Disabled Veteran entry # m47

I am also a Vietnam disabled veterans. I agree with you but we must remember the same people who turned their back on us, the Vietnam Veterans, also voted in Clinton for two terms. How soon they forgot? The ONLY good thing Clinton did for the Vietnam Veterans was to the sign The Orange Act of 1991. Clinton like bush are unpatrioatic SOBs because they only looked out for their own A__ in order not to go to Vietnam. I wander how many brave soldiers died in their place. Even though Kerry did what you describe, out of the two, Kerry and bush, Kerry is a True Vietnam Decorated Veteran and we can not say that about bush. We Vietnam Veterans know that what Kerry did hurt, but we must go on and leave it behind.

   My e-mail address is: <marinecorpsjahead@yahoo.com>

For my money, neither of them SOBs should be running for president.

Semper Fi

Edited by author 09-25-2004 01:19 AM
Robert Castillo - I am a Viet Vet, disabled with a real PH. Kerry is a liar, traitor, & confessed war criminal. Already he has admitted he did not deserve the 1st PH (the 3rd is questionable). He has admitted Xmas '68 being in Cambodia, the time he testified was "seared.. seared" in his mind never happened. He has not denied a single charege of the SwiftVets. He labled all Viet vets as war criminals when only Calley was convicted and only Kerry confessed to any. I spent 23 months in combat zones and saw zero atrocities committed. Kerrys 'testomony' in '71 were responsible for the torture of POWs. Those same words prolonged the war making him responisible for deaths on both sides. As a senator Kerry held hearings on the POW/MIA issue where he destroyed documents. He failed to hold an honest hearing which resolted in his cousin receiving contracts with NVN for over $200MM and more contracts through today. Last week he sent his sister to influence elections in AU, a longest standing ally. She told them as long as they supported the US they were putting themselves in greater danger. If they pull out of Iraq that will put a bigger burden on our troops-- guess he wants that today? Yesterday Kerry insulted the PM of Iraq. The man is alienating our allies faster than anyone thought possible. He faked PHs in order to run from Nam in 4 months. He coludded with the enemy while our troops were being killed. This man is totally unfit to command a troop of cub scouts and is an embarrassment to our military.

Hey R&S looks like your id has been hijacked.

 Hey thanks for going to vietnam and all but you must be fu#*in jokin that Bush has some level of leadership that Kerry doesn't? Bush is the saddest ignorant piece of self serving crap to ever buy office. An unwillingness to admit when you're wrong is exactly what kept us in Vietnam. Unwilling to do what it takes to win and not willing to admit when the current plan ain't working. Blindly charging forward is not leadership, it's cattle.Moo. And oh by the way let's also bear in mind that Iraq did not have shit to do with anything.We're there to clean up daddys mess. He wouldn't let us the first time.CAV RULES! Remember terrorists? 9/11? Keep lying to yourselves if you need to. I know Republicans are all scared and clinging desperately to anyone standing around looking like a man but let's remember Bushy is not a leader. And Iraq did not attack us. And until we resolve that a sack like Bushy that let his pilot license expire(the plane was obsolete too) during a war doesn't measure up to anyone who was there for a single damn day, America deserves the punishment we're given. God is not on our side.

Smitthead -- (a certain misspelling in that name,, close..) Anyone that says, yet alone believes, America deserved 9-11 certainly should be institutionalized. Kerry married Heinz so she can buy him anything. Just like Kerry-- lots of words but no denial that Kerry is a liar, confessed war criminal, traitor, and killer of US service personnal and POWs. Just a flunky for Kennedy, Commander of Chappaquiddick.

Here's the link for the political forum:
http://www.quicktopic.com/27/H/xQaCQ5jrFVu

Aquick note to retarded and slimy.(OOh another misspelling?)While I am generally accustomed to you people going from the subject to a different issue to hide the truth, sneak in distortions and half-truths.But wow nice reach to imply I said we deserved 9/11. Standard Republicun proffering. Kinda' sad. Are your lies just to convince yourselves now or what? Look you half-wits need to face it, Bush is a turd.Six foot of it stacked.He exists only to serve the rich and is only in his position to draw in the stupid ,poor and uninformed to the Repubic way.You also know that the swift boat pukes are a fake? Or do you believe that Nixon et al let him off politically because he was a vet? Had to get it out , see you at quicktopic.Thanks for accepting reality if only fleetingly.(We will welcome you back)

/m56 I believe Kerry did deny those thintgs.

Shitthead -- Kerry admitted to being a war criminal in '71 and '04. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy twice which he admits to. That is treason- why has he not been executed? Kerry and his band of brothers met to plan assassinations of senators- proven FBI records and Kerry does not (cannot) deny. Kerry says he will add 2 divisions and double SF. The military dislikes and does not trust Kerry. The military does not want to be put under the French (UN) as Kerry has been preaching since the '70s. Kerry will not be able to maintain current levels of military.

^*^*^ no,, Kerry has testified to congress under oath he committed war crimes. Kerry cannot deny he is a traitor as he testified before congress under oath he gave aid and comfort to an enemy at time of war TWICE. Kerry cannot deny he planned the assassination of senators as the FBI has it all in their files. The Swifties charges were NOT denied by Kerry and he admitted to two lies; Xmas in Cambodia which was "seared-seared" into him never happened. He has admitted his 1st PH is undeserved (he owes the Navy 223 days in Nam- send him now!) as there was no eneny fire and the wound was a self inflicted scratch due to his panic.

Please cite your sources, as I think what you assert is highly unlikely.

It is amazing how so many people fail to realize we have serious ECONOMIC problems in our country. Here is something to think about. With our mounting debt, if we were to have four more years of this president and his lack of fiscal control, children born after 2008 would have to pay $1000 a month to pay their portion of the INTREST on our national debt. Because we are financing the war and other pork belly projects with future tax dollars backed with bonds sold to the Chinese, Saudi Arabia, Japan and others, we will never get out of the red. THIS IS SERIOUS. As a result, after ten years, all future potential taxes from children born after 2008 will have to bay of the interest alone on our debt. PLEASE WAKE UP!

I know what you mean. People complain about "tax and spend Democrats" but at least they are fiscally responsible. The Republicans just spend & figure somebody else is going to pay for it, I guess. It is pretty scary.

That’s right. I like to think of taxes as a user fees to live in the US. We should not use the country’s resources without paying for them now. We should not bankroll what we use now with the HOPE that our children and children’s children will be able to pay for it.

^*^*^ - check Kerrys '71 statements while under oath to congress. He said under oath he committed war crimes. He violated the US Constitution by undermining the US govt negotiations by having 2 unauthorized meetings with the enemy in Paris then returning as their mouth piece. That is the verey definition of treason- aiding and comforting the enemy at a time of war. It will be televised soon as Sinclair Broadcasting is airing the news documentary "Stolen Honor" in many parts of the country. You can get your own copy at www.stolenhonor.com

and there's no problem with our current commander in chief who was AWOL and couldn't be bothered to maintain his flight-ready status as a combat pilot ( cuz, god knows, he might have had to GO...)

or cheney, mr married with kids who couldn't apply for deferrments fast enough...

they're all SORRY!!! but we can't take another 4 years of the status quo--the US has become a debtor nation and the only gold around the corner is being diverted to Halliburton!

...? LOL! However-- if he should (unlikely) win he will be impeached. Its already in the works. A traitor is not permitted to hold any office and he certainly is that! OH-- check your local listings for when "Stolen Honor" is to be aired-- Do ya think this 'wife' will continue to keep him? LOL! No trailor trash in the WH.

hmm,
or you can waste your vote on Nader.

interesting to see how bush & kerry both have legal teams already gearing up to contest the election results of an event that hasn't even taken place yet...

and of course the wonderful tech glitches like FL yesterday, one hour into voting (sigh)

truly nonpartisan this time <G>

True! Also, I find it alarming how Bush supporters immediately act as AM radio and Fox news mouth pieces. They always attack Democrats patriotism. I'm ashamed to say but a few fascist reside within the Republican Party (REPUBLICANS FIND THE DEFINITION IN THE DICTIONARY!). The fact that most DEMS can express their own FEELINGS and THOUGHTS (Not what we are told on the RADIO!) proves with little doubt, that we are the smarter party.

Work Smarter- Kerry was the mouthpiece of the Viet Communists - and the Russian Communists during a time of war. Thats treason and anyone even suggesting anything but jailing the POS is not smart-- so damn stupid they do not know the difference between stupid and an ass,, but both fit.

BOTTOM LINE FOOL! DO YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN! It is not about the past. Its about the future.

I feel certain if treason was committed the traitor would have been arrested, tried, and jailed by now. Especially one who "confessed to Congress." I figured it was just something YOU decided was treason.

I think Kerry got a general discharge. A Dishonorable would require a Court Martial and that would have been lwaked IMO.

Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge
- Mark Alexander is Executive Editor and Publisher of The Federalist Patriot, a Townhall.com member group.
October 23, 2004


"Never suppose that in any possible situation, or under any circumstances, it is best for you to do a dishonorable thing..."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Reporting for duty"? For a guy who's hitched his entire presidential campaign to his military service record, John Kerry sure is parsimonious when it comes to releasing that record. As noted in this column on more than one occasion, Kerry has consistently refused to sign a Standard Form 180 authorizing the Department of Defense to release all of his records.

George W. Bush's military records were so spotless that Dan Rather gleefully trotted out some fabricated documents in order to kick up a little dust. Of course, if Rather were a real journalist rather than just a TV talking head, he might actually develop a source who could find out what the remaining (approximately 100) pages in Kerry's DoD service jacket reveal.

What, exactly, is Kerry hiding? It is already common knowledge that most of his celebrated heroics were spurious, and that most of his medals were without merit (see "Kerry's Quagmire" at http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/ ). But given that the cat's already out of the bag, why not just sign the Standard Form 180?

For his part, Kerry claims he received an "Honorable Discharge" and that all his records have been released and are posted on his website, Kerry-04.com -- uh, make that JohnKerry.com. But Kerry has refused to say when he received an Honorable Discharge. Indeed, some of his military records are posted on his site -- but not all of them. Here, an experienced eye can read enough into what has been released by Kerry to develop a good profile of what hasn't been released.

It is our considered opinion, therefore, that John Kerry was separated from the military under a less than honorable discharge.

Among Kerry's released records is a 1977 cover letter from Jimmy Carter's Navy Secretary, W. Graham Claytor. What is revealing about this document is that it notes Kerry's original discharge was subject to review by a "board of officers" -- yet no such review should be necessary for an Honorable Discharge.

The review was conducted in accordance with "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163," which pertains to grounds for involuntary separation from military service.

As many Vietnam veterans who served their nation with dignity and honor will recall, Jimmy Carter's first official act as president was the signing of Executive Order 4483 --less than an hour after his inauguration on 21 January 1977. EO 4483 provided general amnesty for draft evaders, war protesters and other offenders of that era. Its corresponding, and equally dubious, DoD directive took effect in March of 1977, expanding that amnesty to include separation from military service by other than honorable discharges. The DoD specified an appeal procedure whereby discharges could be reviewed on an individual basis to determine whether the status of a particular discharge could be revised.

Having lost his first bid for Congress, Kerry no doubt decided that his political future would be brighter as a war hero rather than a war protestor. While there are several categories of discharges beneath honorable, including general, medical, bad conduct and other than honorable, it is very likely that Kerry's discharge was dishonorable.

Supporting this assertion is the fact that Kerry had all his medals mysteriously reinstated in 1985. He claims that he lost his medal certificates (perhaps these are what he famously threw over that Capitol fence in protest), but when a military officer is subject to a Dishonorable Discharge, in addition to the loss of pay benefits and allowances, all medals and honors are revoked. In any case, it would be a cinch for John Kerry to refute our claim by simply signing that Standard Form 180. But he won't. Nor will hard-hitting journalists like Katie Couric and Dr. Phil press him on this issue.

Thus, while Kerry can correctly say -- thanks to Jimmy Carter -- that he received an Honorable Discharge, he could also say with equal precision that he received "other than honorable discharge." His activities as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War were, indeed, forgiven by Carter's EO 4483 and the subsequent DoD directive.

However, according to legal scholars, John Kerry's meetings with enemy agents from Communist North Vietnam on multiple occasions between 1970 and 1972 are not covered under EO 4483. For that reason, we delivered to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft on Monday of this week a "Petition for Investigation and Indictment," calling on the Department of Justice to determine conclusively whether Kerry's actions, in direct violation of UCMJ (Article 104 part 904), U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec. 953) and other applicable laws and acts of Congress, constitute treason. (To read the text of the petitioners' request, go to http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/letter.asp )

Why prosecute Kerry now?

In October, 2003, Mr. Kerry chose to make his disputed Vietnam War record the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency. In response, the more than 180,000 signatories of the above-referenced petition chose to make Mr. Kerry's war record the centerpiece of their campaign to determine whether his actions are subject to the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

The pertinent language states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

While it is clear that no action will be taken on the petitioners' request prior to 2 November, we remain committed to holding Senator Kerry accountable for his actions regardless of the outcome of his presidential bid. Indeed, we are all committed to serving Kerry with an irrevocable dishonorable discharge from public office.

Quote of the week...

"They're the men who served with John Kerry in Vietnam. They're his entire chain of command, most of the officers in Kerry's unit. ... And they're the men who spent years in North Vietnamese prison camps. Tortured for refusing to confess to what John Kerry accused them of being -- war criminals. ... Why is this relevant? Because character and honesty matter. Especially in a time of war."
--Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and POWs for Truth in their most recent ad on Kerry's war record and character.

On cross-examination...

"On more than one occasion, Senator Kerry has referred to the fight at Tora Bora in Afghanistan during late 2001 as a missed opportunity for America. He claims that our forces had Osama bin Laden cornered and allowed him to escape. ... As commander of the allied forces in the Middle East, I was responsible for the operation at Tora Bora, and I can tell you that the senator's understanding of events doesn't square with reality. ... Contrary to Senator Kerry, President Bush never 'took his eye off the ball' when it came to Osama bin Laden. The war on terrorism has a global focus. It cannot be divided into separate and unrelated wars, one in Afghanistan and another in Iraq. Both are part of the same effort to capture and kill terrorists before they are able to strike America again, potentially with weapons of mass destruction. Terrorist cells are operating in some 60 countries, and the United States, in coordination with dozens of allies, is waging this war on many fronts."
--General Tommy Franks

What a load of nonsense. Your sources are very dubious.

I do not normally stoop this low but let’s just trawl for republicans.

In the 1960’s during the Vietnam War, George Bush Jr. was a marijuana smoking, draft dodging, 2.0 grade point average cheer leader.

Today in contrast, Bush is a war starting, recovering alcoholic, national issue dodging, Chaney puppet cheer leader.

Some things never really change.

As a veteran, can I receive additional resource because of that if the p.o. is discriminating against me? I ask because at my office a letter carrier was disciplined improperly and the VA helped her somehow. Thanks for any advice. *Thought a vet ques other than politics might be a good breather for everyone. lol

During the 60s kerry was telling lies to get undeserved medals so he could get his cowardly ass home. He was stupid enough to scratch himself twice and lied about it well enoungh for a PH. He still has Xmas 68 "seard.. seard" in his mind although he was at least 55 miles away. In the '70s he lied under oath to congress and twice visited the enemy. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is trason--
Today- he is still the biggest liar in congress and probably the US.

So could anybody tell a lie and get a medal? Are most people with medals liars? Now I am losing faith in the system.

/m79 Been there, seen that. People can lie and get a medal. Friends of mine were drunk and ran from one shelter to another and ended up with shrapnel in their ass and received a purple heart. Other who were injured after the fact also were awarded medals. Go figure. Are most people with medals liars? NO. Most are deserving of what they receive but many are liars and opportunist that do whatever is necessary to get their awards. Ask Col David Hackwort how many he has seen get underserved awards. I know this is a veteran forum but not all veterans are familiar with combat situations. If you are, state it, if not just give your opinion and say it is so.

target,
some VA offices and DAV's are more pro-active than others. you might also contact the American Legion or VFW to see if they have outreach programs. some state rehab commissions also assist disabled vets with workplace issues regarding accomodation. good luck!

target,
in this area the only early help available is from the DAV. When things get to an extreme allow the union to go as far as they can, then consider a lawyer experienced in MSPB and take that route.

Target,

Don't pay a whole of attention to some of these losers because they will give you bad advice.

Recommend: 38 CFR(Code of Federal Regulations and 38 USC(United States Code); you can look these up on the web if you want it fast. Also, if you have a local college nearby that has a law library; then they should have copies of the Code of Federal Regualtions and United States Code, if you want to read it in "black & white".

The DAV National headquarters out of Washington, DC; is your best bet as far as looking for information on "discrimination". I know, I've dealt with them in the past and I am lifetime member of the DAV!

tried contacting the DAV here in texas and they said they couldn't help, so depends what state you live in. called national and got the runaround.

... sorry to hear that. Try the other vet orgs,, but they were less helpful in my area.

   Bush spottless in the 60s, because he was drunk most of the time, worked for the rep committee and he watched others work, he did nothing, our great leader!

LOL! While kerry was a practicing traitor, coward, and liar. Not a bad trade,, I'll take W everytime

There doesn't appear to be any credible evidence for your point of view. If someone were a traitor, seems like someone who was there at the time would have mentioned it before now. The fact of the matter is, you just don't agree with Kerry's political views. I don't agree with Bush's politics, but I'm not going to go to Michael Moore country and start making him out to be some kind of Dick Cheney sock puppet; it's not necessary. I believe they are both decent honest men of good will who have different visions for the country.

Another point of view on the election (or any election):

swiped from dilbert:

Dear Dogbert,

How can I decide for whom to vote?

Dan


Dear Bedpan,

Highly intelligent and well-informed people
disagree on every political issue. Therefore,
intelligence and knowledge are useless for making
decisions, because if any of that stuff helped, then all
the smart people would have the same opinions.

So use your "gut instinct" to make voting
choices. That is exactly like being clueless, but with
the added advantage that you’ll feel as if your
random vote preserved democracy.

Sincerely,


Dogbert

XXX art 14 sec 3 of the Constitution defines a traitor as someone that gives aid and comfort to the enemy during a time of war. kerry went to Paris twice and met with the Viets. He returned to demand Nixon to accept the 7 points plan of the Viets. Gen Gap has stated and written if not for kerry inciting the anti-war movement the Viets would not have had gone on but would have quit as much as 2 years earlier. kerry's pic with the Viets in Paris is in the Viet war museum where he is hailed as a 'hero'. That is 3 acts of treason-- since there is no statute of limitations on treason he should be tried and sentenced accordingly.

So you decided he was a traitor, but that is not the same as a judge and/or jury deciding it. You think this General is a more credible witness? Wow you must be a traitor yourself. That war was bogus anyway and anybody who was against it is ok in my book.

XXX -- you sound like a bogus human. Anyone with an attitude like that is an idiot in everybodys book.

Can't we all just get along?

OK--

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=^..^=

A Merry Christmas and fantastic New Year to all!

Right back at ya, R&S.....from an old swabby.

bozo-- all vets deserve a special year, may everyone see it happen this year. God bless our troops.

Univ of SEA
5th SF Group
'66-'67 & '67- '68

I just learned something during one of my appointment at a Veterans Affairs (VA) hospital. Certain Veterans are authorized mileage for each authorized trip to VA Hospitals/Clinics. The mileage rate is 11 cents per mile with a $6.00 monthly deductible. In Madison Wisconsin there no form to fill out but you must report to the TRAVEL Office to have them complete the form. You can get additional information in the VA Handbook. You can also get some info if you do a GOGGLE search fro "veterans mileage".

Beneficiary Travel Am I eligible? Eligibility criteria In order to qualify for this benefit program, you must be a military veteran traveling for a service-connected condition either involving a compensation and pension exam or to receive Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) or medical care.

Description Veterans who are determined eligible for beneficiary travel may be reimbursed a mileage allowance for authorized travel. The current allowable reimbursement amount of 11 cents per mile with a $3 deductible for each one-way visit, or $6 for each round-trip visit, and caps at $18 per month. Once the monthly cap is met, full allowable mileage reimbursement may be claimed for the remainder of the month for each scheduled visit. To receive reimbursement, eligible veterans must be traveling to VA facility for medical care, and at the end of the visit, they must request reimbursement.

Hope this helps some of you Veterans.

http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits/ben...eral&bid=314&oid=11

I retired from USPS 4 months ago and ARMY 16 Years ago.

I am retiring from the military after 20 year, including
15 months in Iraq. I am considering employment in
the post office. What benefits do Veterans receive.

TP /ms103 Other than your 5 points benefit for being a vet and a 10 point benefit if you have a VA disability, I do not believe you get anything additional unless they have change the rules and credit you with your combat time in the Iraq combt zone when earning annual leave. Some of the younger guys should have info on that.

Welcome back and thanks for your service.

TP - you do not need to wait for a test if you apply within required timeframe.

That's correct, they will give the test for vets within a few months of separation. Hang onto that DD214! You're going to need it.

At JFK casuals are given in house test to become Flexible MH . I think this stinks & think Vets should be given the opportunity for job placements . Feedback anyone .

do you mean vets who are already postal employees, or vets who have recently got out of the service?

 oh no - I mean casuals who got their jobs through unemployment & who were not on a civil service register to begin with . Seems like a slap in the face to 5 & 10 point eligible vets to me .

so you are saying vets should be allowed to be casuals?

from Federal Emplyoees News Digest newsletter -

Rep. Pat Tiberi, R-Ohio, introduced legislation, H.R. 2205, that would extend
hiring preferences for federal jobs to many veterans. "Under existing law, only
those veterans who have spent 30 consecutive days in a combat theater such as
Afghanistan or Iraq are eligible for preference in federal hiring," Tiberi
said. "Thousands of active Army, National Guard and Reserve forces who have
served both in this country and around the world have sacrificed but don't
qualify, simply because they didn't meet the 30 consecutive day standard." T he
legislation offered by Tiberi would repeal that standard. Instead, any honorably-
discharged veteran who served more than 180 consecutive days on active duty,
any part of which occurred after September 11, 2001, would receive preference
when seeking a U.S. government job.
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(me) If this is passed, the qualifications go back to the way they were before mid-eighties sometime (don't know the exact date). Since then, you basically needed a campaign ribbon to qualify for Vets' Preference.

Postal workers please take ten minutes to write a letter stating an experience you have had where your rights were violated by the postal service.We are very interested in eeo complaints in which management officials caused harm and were not disiplined.This is a violation of law.We are looking at the targeting of employees.We are looking at the money wasted on grievances which are filed over and over.The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)is interested in the abuse of Postal Workers.This is our chance to stop the abuse!This could lead to a class action lawsuit on behalf of abused Postal workers.We need your one page letter showing your experience of abuse.This includes your treatment when you suffered an on the job injury.email to stm53509@hotmail.com

I am about to retire from the Army after 20 years, and am thinking about the post office. Will the Post Office refuse to hire me if I had a DUI over 17 Years ago?

Thanks for your help

Rich - they ask if you had one in the last 3 or 5 years depending on the district. 17 years back will make no difference.

drb -- every vet should be pushing their reps and senators to get this through. I spent 2 tours in SEA but know those at home or not 'in country' were there for support.

Rich, talk with other postal workers to get a take on the atmosphere, the postal service has changed so much if you can handle the red tape pressure. Also the benefits are great. For some the red tape bill out weighs the benefits. I encourage you to talk to several workers first.

Edited by author 08-29-2005 09:09 PM
Several months ago someone posted a link to a Veterans Q&A site that discussed how/what to expect from the VBA when claiming a disability. Would appreciate a repeat.

Thanks.

Just a reminder to all preference eligible veterans who are still actively employed.
If the Postal Service places you in a forced leave or LWOP status for more than 14-days, immediately file an M.S.P.B. Appeal as a "constructive suspension" under 5 C.F.R. Part 752.

I am senior (1983) to the shop steward (1990)and my section recently received excessing notices. The steward is in the same section. She got her notice also but she grieved it and got it thrown out - something having to do with bumping rights of stewards over senior employees. Is this correct? Is served in Desert Storm and was injured in combat. Can they really excess me and leave the steward? Do I have a case (steward tells me she won't file my grievance)? All the casuals and the te has been let go. If the union wont file, do I have appeal rights with the VA?

Unfortunately, you have no avenue of appeal. VA does not get involved with seniority disputes and since your predicament doesn't rise to an MSPB complaint, any attorney that tells you he/she can do something for you is probably an ambulance chaser by night therefore I would caution you against doing that. No, its one of those things where the collective bargaining agent has ensured his/her place in the organisation by exempting themselves from excessing or other atrocities committed against the masses they claim to represent. Its probably one of the major reasons for sharp union decline since the 60s. Younger/smarter workforce that grew up on movies like On the Waterfront & Godfather and the like. I used to work for the PO when it was the PO. Glad I left! I don't even believe you can sue the union. Good luck!

ooorah2ndBat, too bad that your service to this country doesn't mean squat to a union thats apparently more concerned with self-preservation that protecting the interest of its own members. Outta Order is right and they wonder why employees won't join unions.

You might want to contact your congressman/woman but I doubt if that'll do anything more than generate a letter from them. Thanks for your service and OOOHRAH!

oorah2ndbat -121-- Go to the Department of Labor website and check their veterans employment rights section. As a pref-eligible vet you do have specific preference rights during a Reduction-in-Force. The APWU and Postal Service are playing games to deny vets these rights. The primary question is whether "excessing" from a "section" is considered a RIF. The protection given to shop stewards by contract do not and cannot override your rights granted by law. The USPS had to reinstate many vets displaced during Carvin' Marvin's 1992 debacle because they knowingly ignored (Remember, the USPS is above the law) veterans' rights. Get the facts of your situation and fight it. The vets in 1992 did and they won.

BlueLightSpecial -- correct! The tough part to get past is 'section' vs 'facility'.

www.enocee.com

Sign up in your local union today!

Disable Vets 10 points are reinstated when a current or former USPS fully overcomes the injory or disability more than one year after compensation begins>(ELM 17.8 Oct.14,2004 546.131 )

Edited by author 10-26-2005 06:21 PM
for reasons unknown to me the post office recently added about 9 months onto my military time,i feel fortunate because i will probably retire 9 months erlier. my question is,shouldn't i be entitled to some extra hours annual leave when i had 15 years service. any response pro or con would be appreciated.

My military time was credited with 15 days just before i retired and that entitled me to 2hrs of annual lve since my 15 years would have come 15 days sooner. Ask for a leave adjustment thru your payroll department.

here is the section from OPM for message 121
5 U.S.C. 3502; 5 CFR 351.404(a), 351.606(a), and Subpart E
Veterans have advantages over nonveterans in a reduction in force (RIF). Also, special provisions apply in determining whether retired military members receive preference in RIF and whether their military service is counted. This chapter deals with RIF in the competitive service; some, but not all, of the provisions apply in the excepted service.

Employees are ranked on retention registers for competitive levels (groups of similar jobs) based on four factors: tenure, Veterans' preference, length of service, and performance.

First they are placed in Tenure Group I, II, or III, depending on their type of appointment. Within each group, they are placed in a subgroup based on their veteran status:

Subgroup AD includes each preference eligible who has a compensable service-connected disability of 30 percent or more.
  
Subgroup A includes all other preference eligibles not in Subgroup AD, including employees with derived preference (see Chapter 2).
  
Subgroup B includes all employees not eligible for Veterans' preference.
Within each subgroup, employees are ranked in descending order by the length of their creditable Federal civilian and military service, augmented by additional service according to the level of their performance ratings.
When a position in a competitive level is abolished, the employee affected (released from the competitive level) is the one who stands the lowest on the retention register. Because veterans are listed ahead of nonveterans within each tenure group, they are the last to be affected by a RIF action.

An employee who has been furloughed, separated, or demoted by RIF action has the right to appeal the action to the Merit Systems Protection Board except when a negotiated procedure must be used. Assignment to a position at the employee's same grade or representative rate is not appealable. Appeals must be filed during the period beginning on the day after the effective date of the RIF action and ending 30 days after the effective date. Time limits for filing a grievance under a negotiated procedure are contained in the negotiated agreement.

orry133 -- Excellent post! Thanks for the help and I hope all Pref-eligible vets save this information. It looks like it will be needed eventually and you better believe the Unions won't give it to you. The "consolidations" just announced are only the beginning. The Clerk Craft is the focus now but it's almost certain that small office PMs will be a target soon. With a shrinking work force, demands for lower rates and budget constraints, the losses will affect everyone eventually.

OK guys!!!! now for a very serious post!!!!
There are a lot of in country Vietnam Vets still working for the PO. I am the vice president of chapter 756 of the Vietnam Veterans of America in Long Beach CA and also one of the directors in the Ca state council of VVA. The reason I am saying this is this--- I recently participated up at Edwards AFB CA airshow for 2 days with an informational booth. We saw over 250 nam vets with a majority of them in country vets. Over 90% DID NOT KNOW about the effects Agent Orange or PTSD. IF YOUR ARE AN INCOUTRY vet, File paperwork with the VA for exposure to Agent Orange (you are automatically presumed to have been exposed to AO if on board ship, in Thailand, or in Nam itself. AO has been dircetly linked to type 2 diabetes, prostate cancer, and now spina bifida in the kids of vets and now posibbly in the grandkids of vets. Thesae are compensationable diseases with the VA. There are specific tests that they do. GET TESTED GUYS!!!
There is also specific tests that can be done for PTSD. There are different stressors that will indicate if yiy have it. This is also compensational thru the VA.
If there is a VVA service rep at the VA hospital, use them. They are the most up to date people that DO know how to file the claims and get you guys what you need for help.
If you guys got questions e mail me ORRY133@aol.com.
BY THE WAY!!!! After 22 years I got my disability retirement from the PO after undergoing 4 scopes and a total right knee implant from an on the job injury. I was a letter carrier.

orry133 -- Hard to believe some guys still do not know about this stuff, but it is true. Every Nam vet should belong to the DAV. 90% of their vet reps are fan-freakin-tastic and will work for a vet even if they do not belong top the org. AO has been related to lung cancer too, but often requires documentation thats in your records. Prostrate is an organ- loss of any organ is 20% compensable.

Retired--- why should EVERY nam vet belong to DAV? Is DAV the ONLY Congressly charted veterans organization for vietnam vets? NO Vietnam Vaterans of America is. VVA has led the fight with the administration and Congress to get legisliation passed dealing with vietnam vet issues and we are now doing it for our brothers from Desert Storm 1 and the present Gulf War. DAV likes to ride on our coat tails.
Check out www.vva.org. You will see what I mean. orry

orry133 - I do not knock any vet org-- but no other org assists disabled vets like they do. None have the trained personal in place, none are as successful as them in securing care or compensation. Get the legislation passed-- as much as possible for the injured so the DAV can see those deserving actually get the deserved benefits. Attitude? Like cannon fodder-- rush in without thinking or a plan! Take a breath and relax so you can continue doing this wsork for a long time.

Edited by author 11-10-2005 08:15 AM
Is anyone switching there health insurance from Blue Cross to Geha? I think we pay to much out of pocket. What do you think about The two?

JAC /m138 I had GEHA years ago. I thought I had to pay to much out of pocket. I now have MailHandlers with my Tricare as secondary. I am very happy with the situation. Each person has his own unique requirements. I don't think anyone can place themselves in your shoes unless they have your same situation. Best bet is research and ask questions. Make your decision and if it doesn't work out, you can change it again next year.

orry133:

Apparently I'm finding that pref eligible rights end when it comes to that junior shop steward staying while I'm being excessed. I was told to go talk to the union about it that as long as it was negotiated I can't do a damn thing about.

ooorah2ndBat -- Wrong! Go to your local VFW or American Legion Post and talk to a Service Officer. Remember, the crucial question is whether this action is considered a Reduction in Force. If it is, notify management IN WRITING that you are invoking your preference-eligible rights under the laws for RIF in government employment. Don't let management OR the Union BS you. The APWU doesn't like preference-eligible rules and I wouldn't be surprised to see them ask for legislation revoking those rights for Postal Workers. Hang in there!

BlueLightSpecial - that was great advice. If the SO does not have experience in preference-eligible rules I hope ooorah2ndBat is passed up the line to someone that does and his case is not handled by am inyermediary.

Edited by author 11-17-2005 02:26 AM
This is a MUST KNOW FOR RESERVISTS/NATIONAL GUARD -- The Postal Service and some other government agencies have been improperly charging Military Leave for Non-Scheduled days. The OPM ruled that the PS and others were improperly charging employees Non-scheduled work days against the 15 day annual Military Leave allowance for Federal Workers. If you are ordered to perform AT (or any active duty), only your scheduled work days are to be charged against the 15 days annual Military Leave. If you have been improperly charged for Military Leave, and you had to take Annual Leave or LWOP for covered activities in that year, you are entitled to back pay. The ruling does limit claims for back pay to the last 5 years. I hope this helps some very deserving people.

The ELM says 15 calendar days. How does that not include weekends etc.? Not arguing, just curious.

^*^*^ -- Gee, Sparky, do you think the Washington Weasel who wrote that in the ELM might have been WRONG?
Here's what OPM says: "An employee may be charged military leave only for hours that the employee would otherwise have worked and received pay."
It's typical of the Washington Weasels to warp things to screw as many people as possible. They seem to take particular joy in screwing over veterans and anyone connected with the military. Any thoughts on why that is?

Where does it say that?

I mean, I don't know about OPM, but we are required to go by the ELM, whether a "weasel" wrote it or not.

^*^*^ -- In reply to your message 146, go to the OPM website at opm.gov and do a search under "military leave".
Apparently you're not the only one in the Postal Service that doesn't know about OPM. Here's an idea, keep going by the ELM and see how many people you can screw over before the Postal Service corrects it.
In the meantime, I'm going to try to alert as many people affected by this as I can. This is a tough time to be in the National Guard or Reserves and they don't need a bunch of piss-ants making it tougher.

Well guys--- this is it!!!! My last post here. Gots my disability retirement effective 10/20/2005. NO MORE BEING IN PROLONGED BASIC TRAINING. Postal management in my office sucks outside of one supervisor. Gonna move out of CA in beginning of 2006 to go to AZ. good luck to all of you guys. orry

orry133 -- Best of luck! If you get tired of the desert, come to the SE (not Fl) coast).

I started complaining about my injury some 20 years ago while I was in service. They in turn told me to put heat and ice on it because it was just a sprain or a pull. After years of hurting finally I had not one but two surgeries on my back. I am fighting the VA aswell the OWCP. I got with the DAV but I guess I was moving to fast and they said they could not help me. I have been in the fight since 2002 if any one knows someone I may contact to help me please let me know. As we know on the last physcial it was more a question thing and a hurry to get out of the service, besides for my words and a sick call slip nothing else to help prove my case. They say they need real evidence but my records where chopped up and nothing in them about my back issues. A solider just in need of some help, it was easy to raise a hand and join but getting help is another thing. Thanks for your time.

I am a 8 year Postal Worker. I have 10 point Veteran's Preference ( 30% rating w/ Campaign Ribbon). The USPS is currently consolidating facilility's and I was told by my local union I could be "excessed" and my Veteran's Prefence does not apply. Can the USPS relocate me to another facility? What are my rights and where can I find the information to review my rights.

nosinglespeed -- DO NOT BELIEVE THE APWU STEWARDS OR OFFICERS!! They want all excessing done strictly by seniority. . . except for themselves!

Edited by author 01-17-2006 09:13 PM
I want to know why are postal employees are being mistreated by supervisors? i served in the navy during desert storm durning 88/91. I've been in Service for los Angeles Postal Service plant L.A. P&DC over 11 years and nothing i do is right. I do a good job as a maintainance custodian but, it seems my co-workers that "don't" get awards,.. and the ones that do there job's don't get awards. Q: Why is this so?... I feel like people are trying to close this place by purposely sabatoging daily operations of everyone's skill or craft of their job duties/and things in their job's so this action bring us ultimatly in a status of predestination of being shutdown. Q:Do you feel the way i feel let me know? My prediction we won't last past 2015 at this rate. Reasons!! 1.With mass casuals being hired and consolidations of postal facilities this tells the tell!! 2.The unions are cashing in on a dead horse just like management fearing they will be cut out unless they follow suit.3. Greed And merging with Fed EX and know One standing up for there rights and being apart of the problem not the solution. first and foremost to address my job laboror Custodians lowest on the pay roll at level #3 except for 2's stepped up to three's for their restaints on what they do or don't do we have been past over for upgrades the last 2 Contract Negotiations and Custodial Group-leaders that are 4's Not working to fill lack of man power.. but acting like supvisors and with Management falsifying goverment documents to cover up shortages to get kick backs/ bonuses. This is the post office and America too the core! It's doomsday to this world as you know it. Because of godless people and greed we must deal with painful way of life. May he who has created us have mercy.

Some things to be accounted for are recent Restroom issues envolving restroom not being cleaned At: LA P&DC. granted that they are people that lax on the job but this is because group leaders and management have created this situation. Not giving the overtime or providing adequiate staffing. They are not going by the overtime desired list and playing games and favorites. This is all by design because things fell apart to quickly in over a 6 month span before the schedualed 2006-2012 postal transformation period. This is a shake down then the shut down i believe it's that simple. "Beware" look seek and ye shall fine mail is getting to homes later then ever and this is only the beginning. Believe in him so u may enter upon his presents and be written in the book of life. You know whom i speak of because you will need him when all hell breaks lose when the post office goes to the dogs jobs/ freedom civil-liberties etc. thats whats going to happen big changes on how u communicate pay bills and voice your opinion. ELOIM

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I am searching for a wren thomas from florida a friend of mine. He's a vietnam veteran, just wanted to see how he was doing? If your out there wren my e-mail is jen1975-@hotmail.com I hope to hear from you.

Dayum shame

Veterans May Face Health Care Cuts in 2008

At least tens of thousands of veterans with non-critical medical issues could suffer delayed or even denied care in coming years to enable President Bush to meet his promise of cutting the deficit in half _ if the White House is serious about its proposed budget. After an increase for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing by leaps and bounds, White House budget documents assume a cutback in 2008 and further cuts thereafter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte.../27/AR2006022700976

The proposed cuts in veterans health care benefits in 2008 is typical of most Republican administrations. When there is a war to fight they are quick to wrap the flag around our vets and send them off to battle then when it comes time to provide health care to the wounded. They are quick to through them under the train. Have we learned anything?

I admit I don't understand eligibility for VA health care. Were all of these people wounded or injured on duty?

Veterans with service connected disabilities get free medical for that injury/illness. Veterans with health issues that are not service connected can go to the VA. However, there is a means test and if you have medical coverage they bill your provider and you have a co-pay. Currently the co-pay is $15.00 per visit and $7 for generic prescriptions.

So this basically amounts to free medical insurance for veterans? I always thought the care had something to do with problems associated with military service. Just didn't know, thanks.

free if the illness/injury is service connected.

Grady Fitzgerald - No long $7, scripts are now $8. Also, all vets are catagorized. Those in the lowest catagories are out of luck for any care or help.

The cut backs started in about 2002, or 2003. It started with the GI Bill for Vietnam Era Vets with cutting the educational assistance if you don't use it within 10 years. The system has been abused by vets whose disability claims for a "bad back" from picking up cigarette butts at Camp Swampy has drained the coffers. Many needy and deserving vets suffer while deadbeats and leeches suck the system dry.

35 years and retired - agreed, but thed doctors should be able to weed some of those out. Anyone with a rating for 20 or more years cannot have it reduced or eliminated. More & more vets, without congess allocating enough funds. All in All, those receiving care in many places are receiving a much higher quality of care.

I encourage all veterans, if it’s possible, to get involved in these illegal veterans’ disability compensation alimony award cases in your state. As in the Michigan (and Georgia) case, there are laws on the books in every state, as I have found out, that could possibly turn these abusive, and illegal awards around. Your job would be to find them, via the internet search. You will be surprised by what you may find. State laws that support the veteran, and run contrary to a judges ruling. Keep in mind, using a veterans disability compensation in alimony awards is illegal. Title 38 USC 5301, Chapter 53. Nonassignability and exempt status of benefits.

All you have to do is research the internet. Yes, it may seem like a lot of work, but remember why you are doing it. The United States government is not protecting veterans’ in state courts. We have to do it. You can do it! There may, and there's a good bet, there will always be just that one state law, statute, or legal reference, that you will find, and this is all you need to turn around a contempt order against you, or another veteran, and doing possible jail time. But, once you have found this one law, it's state statute, legal reference, write the judge, then publicize your finding by including his name, and the law, on the internet.

With your help, veterans can win these phony, illegal state veterans disability compensation alimony awards by abusive state court judges. It's your turn to fight back!

3/26/2006 CHICAGO SUN-TIMES SPECIAL REPORT
STATE OF SHAME By Cheryl l. Reed
WHERE ARE ALL THE JOBS? "Recruiting ads touting the job training benefits of a stint in the military are proving to be overly optimistic as returning veterans across the country find jobs commensurate with their experience less than plentiful. In Illinois, the prospects are even more bleak....In Illinois, which gets $6.5 billion a year from the federal government to help veterans find work, 34 percent of unemployed vets who sought help from the Illinois Department of Employment Security found jobs last year, according to the U.S. Labor department, which ranks Illinois as the worst state in the nation for getting jobs for vets....Indiana ranked near the top for helping vets jobs....From the Front Line to the Unemployment Line."

It looks like things haven't changed much in the last 35 years. When I got out and went to the unemployment office they asked me what I thought I could do for employment. I told them about the training (electronics, communications equipment) I had received and the experience I had in repairing electronic equipment. The butt-monkey doing the interview listened and then said, "That's nice, but what can you DO?" "Well", I said, "I can sit on my ass all day asking questions and ignoring the answers while being a complete asshole. Do you have any job openings here?". I'm still waiting to hear from them. I moved on and found a job without their "help".

Sitting on your ass asking questions and ignoring answers while being a complete asshole must have gotten you a Postmaster's position. The last place I would visit for employment or medical help would be the VA.

35 Years and Retired -- Speaking of Postmaster qualifications, you make the cut since you clearly can't read. The article and my comments refer to the STATE EMPLOYMENT OFFICE, NOT the VA. FYI: Since you're retired and have the time, watching Sesame Street regularly would be a great starting point in your quest for literacy.

35 Years and Retired - things have changed concerning medical programs at the VA IF you qualify. I know 2 guys that are cancer survivors due to the VA after private docs gave up and another that had 5 good years after the private sector gave him 3 months. Agent Orange was what brought it on. Check the DAV website and see the news on dibetes-- AO causes it too. I have my private sector doctors and find the VA doctors very keen on sending me to specialists on many things! If I had to choose between the two-- the VA would win.

 Any disabled veteran who has received a call in notice from the USPS and has submitted their medical records at the interview or before. This is a direct violation of the ADA. Any disabled veteran who has received a call in notice since 1992 should contact one of our attorneys James Allen at jallen@neceallen.com or 706-650-7002 to join in the class. Any veteran who knows a veteran who has applied with the USPS please pass the word along. Thank You.

i retired from the AF 11 months agao. I wasnever informed that I could take the postal exam in the first 6 months without one even being scheduled. My question is, Is there a loophole that will allow me to take the exam now? I don't think I could squeak by the carrier physical, as I am 40% disabled for knees and back.. I would be perfectly happy with a maintenace, messenger or even janitorial position. Any help, especially if you could quate a regulation. Thanks in advance for your help.

Hey everybody...check out the forum EEO issues message 358. We have an opportunity to get a congressional investigation into the abuse of postal employees. E-mail your story of abuse to lowe@kfwb.cbs.com. I mailed mine. It can be anonymous if you like. Let's send them 10 thousand letters of abuse.

Alimony award of disability question settled.

It has been indicated that Michigan 19th District Circuit Court Judge James M. Batzer has, because of the United States Supreme Court veterans' disability benefits, child support ruling in Rose v. Rose, he was re-thinking his Murphy v. Murphy court order (1/4/06) “..concluding that it could not consider the Veterans’ Administration (VA) [disability] benefits of the defendant”. While doing research, discovered something that was right there all the time, specifically 38 USC 5301. Contrary to the conclusion reached in Rose v. Rose by the U.S. Supreme Court (1987) in the question of congressional intent. Here are just three references to Congress' intent, as determined by the United States Supreme Court in arguing Rose v. Rose.

(1.) (d) Provisions of the Child Support Enforcement Act, which provide that moneys payable by the Government to any individual are subject to child support enforcement proceedings (42 U.S.C. 659(a)), but which specifically exclude VA disability benefits, do not establish a congressional intent to exempt such benefits from legal process. "....

(2.) On the rare occasion when state family law has come into conflict with a federal statute, this Court has limited review under the Supremacy Clause to a determination whether Congress has `positively required by direct enactment' that state law be pre-empted.

(3.)we conclude that Congress would surely have been more explicit had it intended the Administrator's apportionment power to displace a state court's power to enforce an order of child support.

The State of Tennessee in following up on the United States Supreme Court's Rose v. Rose ruling, the following 2 paragraphs of veterans' benefits references are 'notes based on decisions', having been included in Tennessee Title 36, Domestic Relations. To clarify the understanding of veterans benefits decisions in divorce actions, according to the ruling in Rose v. Rose.

44. - Veterans' Benefits.
There is no indication that congress intended the veterans' administration to make child support determinations contrary to the determinations of state courts. The interest in uniform administration of veterans' benefits focuses, instead, on the technical interpretations of the statutes granting entitlements, particularly on the definitions and degrees of recognized disabilities and the application of the graduated benefits schedules. Rose v. Rose, 481 U.S. 619, 107 S. Ct. 2029, 95 L. Ed. 2d 599 (1987).

An exception to the federal prohibition against attachment, levy, or seizure of veterans' benefits would not undermine the federal purpose in providing these benefits. Therefore,...we conclude 3101(a) [5307]does not extend to protect a veteran's disability benefits from seizure where the veteran invokes that provision to avoid an otherwise valid order of child support. Rose v. Rose, 481 U.S. 619, 107 S. Ct. 2029, 95 L. Ed. 2d 599 (1987).

Some Code references (internet) mentioned in the U.S. Supreme Court ruling, as well as other Code references were indicated incorrectly, perhaps purposely, due to typo, or confusion. I have bracketed the correct Code number. For example, from Rose v. Rose, (c) State-court jurisdiction is not pre-empted by 38 U.S.C. 3101(a) [5301], which provides that veterans' benefits payments made to, or on account of, a beneficiary, shall not be liable to attachment, levy, or seizure. 38 USC 3101 refers to CHAPTER 31--TRAINING AND REHABILITATION FOR VETERANS WITH SERVICE- CONNECTED DISABILITIES Sec. 3101. Definitions.,

Section 5301 is explicit, as to Congress' intent, and does appear to protect veterans' disability benefits. "Nonassignability and exempt status of benefits (a) Payments of benefits due or to become due under any law administered by the Secretary shall not be assignable except to the extent specifically authorized by law, and such payments made to, or on account of, a beneficiary shall be exempt from taxation, shall be exempt from the claim of creditors, and shall not be liable to attachment, levy, or seizure by or under any legal or equitable process whatever, either before or after receipt by the beneficiary. The preceding sentence shall not apply to claims of the United States arising under such laws nor..."

Under 38 USC 5301 Congress indicates that the Supremacy Clause does indeed apply. By reference to the paragraph, sentence, and reading of, "The preceding sentence shall not apply to claims of the United States..." If benefits that are not assignable, shall be exempt, from seizure, etc., shall not apply to claims of the United States under such laws, who's claims, other than the United States are they referring to?

Yes, 5301 says the United States can claim owed taxes, and debts from the veteran, this is the exception. But Congress had written this as law for someone other than the United States, explaining, except for the United States, this law applies. And the question is, applies to who? Clearly, the States, and anybody else. 5301 refers to State actions that are not authorized by Congress, This... was the intent of Congress!

This is something which has been argued by veterans' all along. But in nearly every case it has been ruled against. Why? Because the paragraph can be deceiving. In a quick reading of the paragraph, it is glanced over, focusing mainly on non-assignability, exempt, etc. To be used by veterans’ in court to fight over. Nothing else was needed. Except... the last sentence! Because of the United States Supreme Court's ruling hinged on the reference of the "intent of Congress" in Rose V. Rose, finally, the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear to state courts this intent. That payments, administered by the Secretary to the veteran shall not be assignable, except to the extent specifically authorized by law, are exempt from attachment, or seizure, under any legal or equitable process. This is no longer an argument veterans have to fight over.

In Rose v. Rose, the Supreme Court, relying on United States statutes, used words, such as, “we are not persuaded”. Tennessee's statutes suggesting "there is no indication.." In other words an opinion... left open to interpretation. But nothing to “indicate unequivocally” that a veteran's disability benefits are not provided solely for that veteran's support....until now. As you see, 5301 provides the criteria, and the proof that Congress had specifically provided that veterans' disability compensation is exempt.

When the U.S. Supreme Court argued Rose v. Rose, they got it wrong. How wrong? 5301 was not even mentioned in Rose v. Rose, and strangely left out of the brief for the United States in the Amicus Curiae supporting appellant. However, it doesn't make any difference, as 5301 is, and has been the intent of Congress. Tennessee, in arguing, conveniently left out 5301. Which included, "The preceding sentence shall not apply to claims of the United States..." The only thing that can be done in future cases is to bring up, and argue strongly, and correctly 5301, and against the Supreme Court's and Tennessee' version of Rose v. Rose. We must remind those with whom we argue, it was the United States Supreme Court... in Rose v. Rose that brought up "the intent of Congress". 38 USC 5301 is the law of the land, therefore... the intent of Congress.

Does the court look at these laws independently, or rather argue on the basis of what both sides give them? The answer,.... it's unbelievable, and inconceivable how 38 USC 5301 was not even thought of, or considered by the United States Supreme Court. From the book, "The Brethren" Inside the Supreme Court, by Bob Woodward, Scott Armstrong. These are references to the research work done by the U.S. Supreme Court law clerks, "...basis for yet another draft, and he quickly sent his senior and most trusted law clerk back to work."......"he assigned a law clerk to prepare a detailed research memorandum on the pertinent law"....."his research indicated that they had the power to set forth any remedy they desired necessary".."had his clerk's massive research memorandum printed and presented." I ask, why was 38 USC 5301 ignored, left out? Veterans' can only speculate as to the many reasons.

1986 U.S. Supreme Court majority opinion, which holds true today, concluded using the words of Justice Brandeis, commenting on the presumption of stability in statutory interpretation..."Stare decisis is usually wise policy, because in most matters it is more important that the applicable rule of law be settled than that it be settled right." Charlie Wayne Rose a Vietnam veteran, blind in one eye, a triple amputee, unfortunately, and sadly, lost this case, because, "..it is more important that the applicable rule of law be settled than that it be settled right."

Court of Appeals of the State of Oregon. 2/10/05. Karen M. Landis v. James E. Landis. DR 0203154,A123666. "In McCarty v. McCarty...the United States Supreme Court held that military retirement pay was not divisible according to state community property laws, because such division would harm a clear and substantial federal interest in securing veterans' financial secutiry. Recognizing the adverse implications of the decision for many veterans' spouses, the Court wrote, "Congress may well decide, as it has in the Civil Service and Foreign Service contexts, that more protection should be afforded a former spouse of a retired service member. This decision, however, is for Congress alone."

Now, we have the ammunition, to fight these state judges and their awarding of veterans' disability compensation as part of any divorce decree. This is now every veterans’ argument. We did not bring up “intent“. The United States Supreme Court in arguing Rose v. Rose, looking for the "intent of Congress" brought it up. Finally explaining definitively for veterans’ once and for all, what was missing. They gave it to us. 38 USC 5301,...it was there all the time. And all the time the U.S. Supreme Court claiming, "we are not persuaded", and Tennessee suggesting "there is no indication".

I agree with tired of abuse, it's a election year people, write or call those people we elect, 10,00 or 20.00 e-mails, letters or calls believe me will be heard. take your story ( we all have one ) to them and lowe@kfwb.cbs.com

CAP America, I agree this is our chance to bring everything done in the dark to light. its the people/Supervisors with authority that abuse, and make the USPS an awful place to work. lets work together to get Ten thousand names and stop the cycle. Also send a copy to Senator Diane Feinstein, One Post Street, San Francisco CA 94104

Hello,

I am doing a research paper about veteran administration. I already have information on its history, mission, objectives, values, types of services, and its eligibility criteria.

The problem is I still do not have the following information and I do not have any idea 'bout 'em. Please help me.

a. Length of service periods

b. credentials of service providers

c. consumer population served

d. applicable federal legislation impacting service provision.

I would appreciate any information that you will share with this categories. Thank you so much! :-)

Edited by author 07-02-2006 04:26 PM
7//2/2006 Chicago Tribune. Drug Already in Pipline VA Aide Says. Jon Yates Staff reporter.

Harold Lavie completed chemotherapy for prostate cancer May 26....getting the Veteran Affairs Medical Center in North Chicago to approve his prescription for Casodex, a popular cancer drug he had used with success in the past...languished in VA red tape for weeks....he went to his local Walmart, intent on paying for the medicine...he was told the drugs cost $440.00 for 30 pills...They're wonderful at the VA usually, but this has been a fiasco...he called the pharmacy every day to see if the drug has been approved....Every day, they say it's not. The Problem Solver [Chgo Tribune] called the VA spokesperson after getting Llevie's e-mail. The next morning, Levie's doctor called him and said the medicine had been approved.

He got a call from a VA representative after the Casodex was approved...promised to..try to avoid similar problem in the future. Some days, he said, when he called the VA looking for help, no one answered the phone.

THE MANAGEMENT at the U.S.POSTAL SERVICE are ABOVE THE LAW. They've
been abusing their authority for years. They abuse and deny employees due process of the law. MANANAGEMENT breaks the law without having to face any kind of disciplinary action which encourages them to continue their abuse, intimidation, wreckless negligence, and illegal practices. I encourage all Postal employees to get together and seek assistance from our Senator Diane Feinstein, Chairperson for the Postal Senate Subcommittee, or other Senators
to address the ongoing abuses.

Am looking for anyone who might have info relating to PTSD (sexual assault) through the VA. I have had my claim denied and need help.
kaylie_ecker@yahoo.com

I know Steve Millard he is a good man. We are close to a congressional investigation. Lets keep giving letters through lowe@kfwb.cbs.com

Have any of you submitted a letter to the State Senator, Diane Feinstien yet? I hear a lot of talking and complaining about what you've gone through at the hands of the USPS and it's administration. I know how you feel ,I've gone through a lot abuse also since filing an EEO. You have to be willing to go an extra mile and bring this to the attention to the general public. Keeping these problems among ourselves will not help us in the long run. And you know what? The USPS is completely satisfied with us keeping this info amongst ourselves. Yes, I've talked about Steve Millard and the adverse actions the USPS has taken to him, but he's not the only one. Again I say there are hundreds of us. I've written a letter to State Senator Diane Feinstein, and I told her about my case as well as Steve Millard. I wish you all could do the same. No Fear Here!

I believe that the government should take care of the veterans who served its interest, but I do not believe that the reward should come in the form of job preference over someone more qualified--rather, it should come in the form of monetary reward. None of us who did not serve, for whatever reason, should be penalized because of the poor decisions US administrations have made in choosing to make unnecessary war and having too many military personnel that aren't paid well enough. Many veterans are probably aware of the lack of care and reward that has been the case for more than a few veterans. Some are screaming for help at the top of their lungs while their "brothers and sisters" in arms say nothing because they think they should have to take the pain, the abuse, or risk seeming unpatriotic. Why do we doubt, for a second, that it is the government, who collectively by negligence or by malice is the one who has been unpatriotic in its behavior toward veterans? The veterans in my family have not voiced to me any complaints, but sadly I have not heard of any struggles on their part for their fellow "brothers and sisters."

I am glad that I had the opportunity to work for the postal service, but I can say that in my area, casual employment does not pay a living wage unless one lives with one's parents, five roommates, or receive some other benefits checks that make up the difference.

I am willing to pay extra taxes if I knew that every cent would go to providing more pecuniary compensation to former military who fought in battle and fought with good conscience matching my own. However, I do not see how those who were *not* in the line of fire (but still considered veterans) should be given special treatment over any other equivalent civilian employee.

I am not willing to give up my job or my proper opportunity for employment just because the government is slacking off and needs a kick in the ass. There must be full and complete compensation for vets, yes. But there must be a limit to it, a set amount that makes things right, without putting other people back on the street, essentially.

As a side note: one has to wonder, though, about the lack of limitations on the salary and compensation to corporate executives in companies that receive multi-million dollar tax breaks each year. I wonder who really believes that this money trickles down to the middle and lower economic classes, and why they don't see that the compensation these executives receive must be controlled if the government of the people is to give them financial aid...there must be a strict contract, not a wink and a handshake. I guess that's part of being a republican/conservative, believing in myths like that. Somehow they believe that if you're not making money, you obviously didn't deserve to be making it, and if you are making it you must deserve to be making it, unless proven otherwise. They must believe, though perhaps not admit to it, that what I call a sensible person would call "exploitation" or "cheating," "They" would simply call "good business sense" and/or "good business strategy."

That's all they get, is a few points added on to their test score. That's it. Doesn't seem like too much to do for them.

Naive -- So, you were a Casual and your term ended. What does that have to do with Veterans? Casuals do not automatically convert to Career employees and the time you can work as a Casual is limited. Again, what does this have to do with Veterans? If you think you were denied equal opportunity, file an EEO. Also, you fail to explain what makes you "someone more qualified". Also, if you're 35 or younger, it's not too late for you to become a Veteran. You won't get to live with your parents but you will have roommates (about 40 in the old-style barracks). A single solution to all your problems. Think about it.

To YouThinkImNaive,

Steady guy... Get back to the VA and get your meds.

Edited by author 07-31-2006 07:12 PM
Naive, if you are of age, you can always join the service and get your vets preference. Wait till the war is over, then join. Heck, it's easy to serve then. In fact, its so easy, according to you, that you shouldn't even be considered a vet!! Hurry, before they close this obvious loophole! I agree! It's a piece of cake! It didn't bother me at all to work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week at sea. Working on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, which is considered one of the ten most dangerous jobs...well, no big deal right? (They did a special on the discovery channel, history channel, or A & E, I don't recall which, and working on the flight deck was among the top 10. Heck we got hazardous duty pay for it, something like $54 a month back then. You know, big bucks to risk your life!!) Spending Christmas of 1979 off the coast of Iran and other holidays away from my family was a piece of cake!! NO SACRIFICE whatsoever!! After all, like you say, I wasn't in the direct line of fire! The fact that I have serious hearing damage in both of my ears from sleeping right underneath the flightdeck, and being exposed to the loudest noise you can't even imagine, well, now that I think about it, your right, I'm not a real vet!! Thank you for setting me straight!

oh, by the way. I'm not sure why you are complaining about a vet who was not in the line of fire getting a preference over you. They DON'T get a preference over you! That's right, only vets who served during certain periods when there was a conflict, war, whatever, are entitled to having an extra 5 points tacked onto their score. Or, if they were involved in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign medal has been authorized, such as El Salvador, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Southwest Asia, Somalia, and Haiti. I have two Navy Expeditionary medals, so that qualifies me for the 5 points. I also have two Humanitarian Service medals, etc. I get an extra 5 points due to my disability in hearing and I cracked my jaw working on the flight deck. I almost lost my life that night. I believe an extra 10 points on a civil service test is NOT too much for my country to do for me. Go to this website here http://www.opm.gov/veterans/html/vetsinfo.asp#Word Scroll down to: Who Is Entitled To Veterans’ Preference In Employment? You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

YouThinkImNaive /m191 -- "one has to wonder, though, about the lack of limitations on the salary and compensation to corporate executives in companies that receive multi-million dollar tax breaks each year. I wonder who really believes that this money trickles down to the middle and lower economic classes, and why they don't see that the compensation these executives receive must be controlled if the government of the people is to give them financial aid...there must be a strict contract, not a wink and a handshake. I guess that's part of being a republican/conservative, believing in myths like that."

I don't know if you are naive, but I know that you are NOT a republican/conservative if you believe in government control on salaries.

I must say it hurts the way veteran are treated. I am fighting because of lack of communcation. Alot of veterans do not know about filling an case if hurt in the military. They do not know they can go back if still in pain. The government just does not want to help us, we have too many on the streets with no help or a home. We will have even more coming back home still with no help. They are coming home sick and in need of some help but our dear President is just taking care of himself and the others sitting on enough money that there kids and grandkids will be taken care of. What about our kids we served but no justice, nothing but a paper to help get a house. Sorry just had to vent, because some other soldier told me to just fill it out but did not tell me the correct thing to do. How many more will have to suffer go through just to get the help needed.

BigSurge /m197 Try this link. http://p203.ezboard.com/bvetbenefits

Many of the veterans at this site have worked with the VA system, they are very knowledgeble with the workings of the VA. Go to this site and state your questions and I feel someone will point you on the right path to get things resolved. Hope this helps.

Naive

My son in law is a Marine recruiter. Leave your name and address, always looking for good people to represent their country. If you dont want to be in harms way, be a Medic. I was.

Does any veteran service orginzations help with job issues at the Post Office for Disabled Vets?

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  I am a D.A.V. and am on light duty due to an on the job injury,I can perform most jobs at the Post Office without restrictions.I was recently turned down by maintenence for a Custodial job because of an I.O.D.and am worried about being put out of the Postal Service on the new O.W.C.P.rules any adive would be great.

MSPB or arbitration? I'm a preference eligible that has received a letter of removal. I've been reading online that MSPB has a 20% to 25% chance of success for the employee. That doesn't sound good. Arbitration has a 35% to 50% chance of success depending on the arbitrator. In my case the evidence leans mostly in my favor but I'm not sure how that will play out in MSPB. I've heard that AJ's tend to be pro agency. Anyone have any experience which one is better?

The MSPB consists of a three-member panel of President Bush appointees. You can click on the Veterans Rights link on the front page of this site. Look on the left side under the, “Site Features,” column. When you get there, you can research the board’s recent decisions and decide for yourself. Because I don’t know the details of your case, I would go to arbitration with your union rep and an attorney. Attorneys are expensive but your job is worth it.

Is it true that the USPS gives exams to vets only sometimes and not open to the general public? I am retired US Navy with a 30% VA disability rating. I want to be a mail carrier.

Don

You have to take it within a certain length of time after you are out of the service, like 6 months, a year, something like that, sorry I cant' remember the specific length of time.

Don /m205 Message /m180 addresses some of your question. See if you can get the HR phone number in your area.

I have been put on permanent restrictions at work due to my injuries sustained at work. I cant carry mail anymore so they will try to place me in a peramanent job within my restrictions or send me to vocational rehab program. If I opt to take disability retirement instead and Im a veteran is there some kind of pension or something I can get from VA to go along with my disability retirement payments?

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postboy - I suggest representation by the DAV to open a claim with the VA. Unless you have a military disability (even a 0 % rating) it will be difficult to get a VA pension, but help is not unheard of.The DAV will be your best source of accurate info. As for the test for vets someone asked- any one receiving compensation from the military or VA can ask to take the test one time and be on the next scheduled exam in the area. Recently discharged vets have a much shorter time limit, 90 days I believe- but verify that through the DAV also.

USAF retiree here with eight years as a clerk in USPS. Disabled Iraq war USA veteran son hired on. Required to work 84 hours a week as PTF, misses work for PTSD while still on probation. Has abdominal pain rushed to VA hospital and diagnosed as having stage 4 colon cancer at age 23. Misses more work while in hospital and taking chemo. Kept from returning to work for six days by management and when finally allowed promptly fired. Union hands tied due to contract. VA, DAV, Congressman unable to unable to get his job back. We work for some pieces of work here in the USPS. At least they didn't work him 12 hours on Christmas and then fire him. Lost medical insurance so its back to the VA's tender mercy. Wants to work, able to work but not allowed. No justice.

   Do not use the D.A.V. they suck at Disability claims the Cleveland office is horrible.

smokey - that is strange as after 35 years at 10% the DAV in Cleve took me to 20%, then 40% in less than 18 months. All I did was ask if I qualified for VA prescriptions and they got the ball rolling.

i get a non-sevvice connect pension and i work three day this year. Can my pension be stopped.

Darron Eldridge if you have a rating for 20 years or more it can not be lowered or taken away for any reason except death.

Here is a veteran with a great story that all postal employees should read. Great reviews by postal people.

http://deepinsideliteblue.com/

I am currently employed with USPS as a Level 5 Full Time Clerk. I have Veteran's Preference due to a 30% combat related injury. I understand I can be Excessed, but can I be placed into a lower level job such as a level 4 mail handler position?

I finally got called for RCA. They say I have to hold the position for one year before I can bid for a regular F/T position. My question is that I am a veteran with 30% VA disability, Can I use that to boost my chances of getting a F/T position?

Don

No

Don,
Yes you can request to take any or all postal exams at any one time if you are a veteran who is 10 percent or mpore disabled. Not sure if you found the number to call to do this but if you didn't, I can give it to you. Just let me know where you are at. I just requested to take the 473 in my are.

Dmac,
How long did it take from your test date to receive a call in letter? What state are you in?

It took 3 weeks to get a call in letter. I'm in Reading PA. I would like to be a city carrier.�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest <qtopic+23-9n5m4kr6XVba7@quicktopic.com>�A;To: dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:09:59 AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Messages for the topic "Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-12-2007.�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;From: David Time: 09:18 AM�A;Don,�A;Yes you can request to take any or all postal exams at any one�A;time if you are a veteran who is 10 percent or mpore disabled.�A;Not sure if you found the number to call to do this but if you�A;didn't, I can give it to you. Just let me know where you are at.�A;I just requested to take the 473 in my are.�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;From: David Time: 09:19 AM�A;Dmac,�A;How long did it take from your test date to receive a call in�A;letter? What state are you in?�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;Want to start your own business?�A;Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.�A;http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Edited by author 01-13-2007 07:40 AM
Don, I am not sure what district Reading PA falls under but here are the numbers you need to call to schedule an exam using your disability status (1 of these districts should be yours, if not let me know): Harrisburg (District office) 717 257 2173, Lancaster (district Office) 717 390 7468, Philidelphia (District Office). Are you a RCA? Also, you say it took 3 weeks from your TEST DATE to get a call in letter?

Don,
I'm sorry I see you and Dmac are the same people. Also, can you tell me what you scored (total points).

David

I scored a 76 on the test (it was tough!) and I recieved 10pt vet status giving me 86. I think I did screw up though in the veteran status. there was three catagories; veteran, disabled vet, and veteran(other) which is if you are a Purple Heart recipient or receive a VA pention, which I do. I don't know what that catagory entitles me to. I took the test on Dec 13 and received a letter from the branch office last week for RCA. What will those numbers you gave me do for me? Will they offer me a permanent position?�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest <qtopic+23-9n5m4kr6XVba7@quicktopic.com>�A;To: dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:16:51 AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Messages for the topic "Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-13-2007.�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;From: Don Time: 12:52 AM�A;It took 3 weeks to get a call in letter. I'm in Reading PA. I�A;would like to be a city�A;carrier.�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message�A;----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest �A;To:�A;dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007�A;12:09:59 AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference�A;Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT------------------------------------�A;-------------------------�A; Messages for the topic�A;"Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-12-2007.�A; �A;Reply by email or visit�A; �A;http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;�A;-----------------------------------------------------------�A;---- -�A;�A;From: David Time: 09:18 AM�A;Don,�A;Yes�A;you can request to take any or all postal exams at any�A;one�A;time if you are a veteran who is 10 percent or mpore�A;disabled.�A;Not sure if you found the number to call to do�A;this but if you�A;didn't, I can give it to you. Just let me�A;know where you are at.�A;I just requested to take the 473 in�A;my�A;are.�A;-------------------------------------------------------�A;-----�A;From: David Time: 09:19 AM�A;Dmac,�A;How long�A;did it take from your test date to receive a call in�A;letter?�A;What state are you�A;in?�A;--------------------------------------------------------�A;----�A;_______________________________________________________�A;__________�A;To unsubscribe:�A;http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own�A;topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com�A;|QT�A;�A..._______________�A;_____ ___________________�A;Want to start your own�A;business?�A;Learn how on Yahoo! Small�A;Business.�A;http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index�A...----------�A;From: David Time: 06:38 AM�A;Don, I am not sure what district Reading PA falls under but here�A;are the numbers you need to call to schedule an exam using your�A;disability status (1 of these districts should be yours, if not�A;let me know): Harrisburg (District office) 717 257 2173,�A;Lancaster (district Office) 717 390 7468, Philidelphia (District�A;Office). Are you a RCA? Also, you say it took 3 weeks from your�A;TEST DATE to get a call in letter?�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;From: David Time: 11:15 AM�A;Don,�A;I'm sorry I see you and Dmac are the same people. Also, can you�A;tell me what you scored (total points). �A;�A;David�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;The fish are biting. �A;Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.�A;http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php

Don,

Thanks for the info. The numbers I gave you are for you to call and schedule to take the 473 exam (hurry up and schedule because I think that they may offer the exam to vets only twice in a year-my office does this-I am scheduled for March). This exam is rarely given and when I signed up to take it with my office they said that they rarely give it to the public because of all the vets that take it (they have so many vets who apply to take the exam that they said they have no need to open it up to the public). The 473 will allow you to get several positions including the part time flexible city carrier. This position pays benefits and I believe you will get more hours, depending on your office. Keep me posted on how things go for you. I am curious if it is hard, how many hours you get, do you have to remeber routes by memory? Any info. you provide will be greatly appreciated. Wish me luck in getting a letter. I took the 460 on November 14th and have not got a letter yet. Wish me luck and keep me posted! Oh, by the way, 10 points is the maximum a veteran can get. I too am 10 points.

David

Don't take RCA unless you just want to get your feet in the door.Always look to move to city carrier or clerk,even Part Time Flexible.
RCA has no benefits and is only guaranteed 1 day per week.PTF carriers can pull in big $$$ with OT and can go to other offices for time along with full benefits.
The way the clerk contract went recently,it looks like the USPS will be hiring alot more casuals.
Try and get in now as a casual(no test needed),and you will have a leg up on the competition come interveiw time.

I was a 10%,got in as a casual with low pay but knew about the USPS come hiring time.
Good luck

Where do I find current openings? The USPS website only lists RCAS.�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest <qtopic+23-9n5m4kr6XVba7@quicktopic.com>�A;To: dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:09:30 AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Messages for the topic "Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-15-2007.�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;From: City Carrier Time: 11:28 PM�A;Don't take RCA unless you just want to get your feet in the�A;door.Always look to move to city carrier or clerk,even Part Time�A;Flexible.�A;RCA has no benefits and is only guaranteed 1 day per week.PTF�A;carriers can pull in big $$$ with OT and can go to other offices�A;for time along with full benefits.�A;The way the clerk contract went recently,it looks like the USPS�A;will be hiring alot more casuals.�A;Try and get in now as a casual(no test needed),and you will have�A;a leg up on the competition come interveiw time.�A;�A;I was a 10%,got in as a casual with low pay but knew about the�A;USPS come hiring time.�A;Good luck�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;The fish are biting. �A;Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.�A;http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php

Don,
Like i said, my office said they rarely post opening because they usually just use the veterans who take the test. So many apply (veterans can apply to take any exam at any one time-providing they are 10% disabled or withing time frame of getting out). Go apply for the exam. They will not post an opening because they will just hire off the pre-existing register.

David

I have a question about the Military buy back. I was on active duty from May 1976 - September 1980. If I buy back my military time it will add 2% for each year to my retirement. My question is; is there some place that I can determine how much the buy back is and how much it will add (actual dollar amount) to my retirement so I can decide if it is worth the cost? I don't want to come up with the buy back money only to learn that I will have to live to be 105 to recupe the money.

Where do I find current openings? ---Do some leg work.Go to every post office you would be willing to work at.Ask for a casual or TRC positions,both are non-carreer lower paying positions but will get you in the door and ready for later.
Remember though,if you go in there and mess around you can be let go immediately.Go make an impression and you are a lock when your interveiw comes.

Edited by author 01-17-2007 12:13 AM
Ar PM - try this
http://www.quantos.com/faq.jsp?group=fbmilitary#2

I just found out , after many many phone calls, that the last Wednesday of every month they hold a hiring session for eligible vets at the main office. I'll be there next Wednesday!!�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message ----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest <qtopic+23-9n5m4kr6XVba7@quicktopic.com>�A;To: dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:10:53 AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT-------------------------------------------------------------�A; Messages for the topic "Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-16-2007.�A; Reply by email or visit�A; http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;--------------------------------------------------------------- -�A;�A;From: Don Time: 08:39 AM�A;Where do I find current openings? The USPS website only lists�A;RCAS.�A;�A;Don�A;�A;�A;----- Original Message�A;----�A;From: QuickTopic daily digest �A;To:�A;dmac73000@yahoo.com�A;Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:09:30�A;AM�A;Subject: Postal Veterans/ Preference�A;Eligibles�A;�A;�A;--QT------------------------------------�A;-------------------------�A; Messages for the topic�A;"Postal Veterans/ Preference Eligibles" for 01-15-2007.�A; �A;Reply by email or visit�A; �A;http://www.quicktopic.com/23/H/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A; �A;�A;-----------------------------------------------------------�A;---- -�A;�A;From: City Carrier Time: 11:28 PM�A;Don't�A;take RCA unless you just want to get your feet in�A;the�A;door.Always look to move to city carrier or clerk,even�A;Part Time�A;Flexible.�A;RCA has no benefits and is only�A;guaranteed 1 day per week.PTF�A;carriers can pull in big $$$�A;with OT and can go to other offices�A;for time along with full�A;benefits.�A;The way the clerk contract went recently,it looks�A;like the USPS�A;will be hiring alot more casuals.�A;Try and�A;get in now as a casual(no test needed),and you will have�A;a�A;leg up on the competition come interveiw time.�A;�A;I was a�A;10%,got in as a casual with low pay but knew about the�A;USPS�A;come hiring time.�A;Good�A;luck�A;-------------------------------------------------------�A;-----�A;______________________________________________________�A;___________�A;To unsubscribe:�A;http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own�A;topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com�A;|QT�A;�A..._______________�A;_____ ___________________�A;The fish are biting. �A;Get more�A;visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search�A;Marketing.�A;http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/spons...----------�A;From: David Time: 09:53 AM�A;Don,�A;Like i said, my office said they rarely post opening because�A;they usually just use the veterans who take the test. So many�A;apply (veterans can apply to take any exam at any one�A;time-providing they are 10% disabled or withing time frame of�A;getting out). Go apply for the exam. They will not post an�A;opening because they will just hire off the pre-existing�A;register.�A;�A;David�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;From: Arkansas PM Time: 01:57 PM�A;I have a question about the Military buy back. I was on active�A;duty from May 1976 - September 1980. If I buy back my military�A;time it will add 2% for each year to my retirement. My question�A;is; is there some place that I can determine how much the buy�A;back is and how much it will add (actual dollar amount) to my�A;retirement so I can decide if it is worth the cost? I don't�A;want to come up with the buy back money only to learn that I�A;will have to live to be 105 to recupe the money.�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;From: City Carrier Time: 06:50 PM�A;Where do I find current openings? ---Do some leg work.Go to�A;every post office you would be willing to work at.Ask for a�A;casual or TRC positions,both are non-carreer lower paying�A;positions but will get you in the door and ready for later.�A;Remember though,if you go in there and mess around you can be�A;let go immediately.Go make an impression and you are a lock when�A;your interveiw comes.�A;------------------------------------------------------------�A;_________________________________________________________________�A;To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/23/X/9n5m4kr6XVba7�A;Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT�A;�A;�A; �A;________________________________________________________________ ___________________�A;Have a burning question? �A;Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.

Don,
What does that mean?
 They offer the test last wed of every month?

Update to my Board of Veterans Appeals claim submitted Dec. 29, 2005.

My claim effecting VA prescription over-charges for split pill supplies of well over 1.1 million veterans' remains on the docket as originally scheduled. Illinois Senator Richard Durbin made an appeal on my behalf to advance my case on the docket, because of the “general application” nature of my claim, effecting millions of veterans’. However, the requirement to advance relies on the precise language, “general application effecting other claims’. Because my claim may perhaps be the only claim, the BVA would not budge. Never mind the over-charges for those millions of veterans. For them, and me, these over-charges will continue. During my call to them, I was told the Board is presently working on claims submitted in March 2005.

Wondering what rights I have while I'm on probation. I have a supervisor who has repeatedly told me I'm doing great and then gives me an unsat, even got an unsat for being 1 clock tick off from lunch. I feel like I am being picked on when I am ask to do a task I'm told to do it one way and all others are told to do it differently. What the heck do I do?

   document everything thaat happens keep names times,use your resources such as e.a.p. e.e.o. are you a D.A.V.? if so go to the V.A. and ask for counceling trust me you want it on your record

Re: Getting it raw: What kind of probation are you on? Are you a new hire? If so just hang in there because veterans have special rights in the P.O. They might be trying to make you quit. Just keep coming into work as long as your name is on the schedule.

Anyone familiar with RIF Rules? Can a Non Prefernce Postal Employee be placed into a job before a Preference employee?

nosinglespeed,
You may want to post that question on this site.....http://www.quicktopic.com/37/H/g5XbPDcfrGvBN to try and get an answer. It is a lot more active.

Does a Vet get pref. over a regular postal person in promotion to Supv. ?

No.

Not on paper anyway.

Can anyone help me w/ info on how to convert my vehicle to a rhd or atleast put a brake and gas on passenger side. I only work 1 day a week so I can't afford to buy a different vehicle nor can I afford those exspensive $1700 conversion kits.

Hey Knight 3: I don’t think just putting a gas and brake pedal on the right side is enough is it? What about the steering wheel? Auto driving schools have a brake pedal device that connects from the left side to the right side that is about the only cheap way I know of. It sounds like your situation is not worth it for only one day a week; I am guessing you are a contract letter carrier, right? You can also find used postal vehicles on ebay by using the link on the liteblue web site.

As of last week the P.O. could not find any HCR’s to take the Pasadena and Glendale PVS routes, on Friday March 16th they suddenly have four bidders. I guess we will learn our fate soon. One of them is supposedly a newby looking to get his foot in the door. I heard from an inside source it’s a pretty big foot. Most of the HCR’s around here make just enough to get bye, I don’t think Big Foot knows what they’re getting in to? Cc. Motor Vehicle & Vets

Veterans denied VA violation of 1722a claim

Lets assume you are at the VA picking up your prescription. You and the veteran in line in front of you are prescribed the exact same identical prescription of 30 pills. Both supplies carry a copay of $8. Right? But, your prescription requires that you split your supply. You now have a two month supply (15 pills 1/2 pill per day). This $8 supply now increases in copay cost to $16, for the exact pill medication and supply that costs $8. But let's assume that veteran in front of you, having still the same prescription, his supply for a 30-day supply is instead 90 pills. Copay remains at $8 for this 30-day 90 pill supply.

Hope this explains, how the veteran is overcharged by the VA, and just got screwed again by the BVA.

What all veterans have known as fact, is that veterans continue to lose benefits. This is just another example.
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Criteria & Analysis by the Board of Veterans Appeals.
To briefly understand my claim, “. ...The appellant contends that the standard copayment is excessive in light of the pill splitting.” No where in my claim did I mention the word ‘standard.’ To determine what then is the standard 30 day supply one must compare 2 supplies. The VA apparently has two(2) standard supplies. A 30 day supply of 30-60-90 pills. Copayment cost $8. Then a second standard 30 day supply of 15 pills, $8 copay. Two distinct standards. A standard in cost, but no.... standard in supply.
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The BVA cites my argument, 38 U.S.C.A. Sec. 1722a “Copayment for medications. Paragraph (2) The Secretary may not require a veteran to pay an amount in excess of the cost to the Secretary for medication as described in paragraph (1).”
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“(a)(1) Subject to paragraph (2), The Secretary shall require a veteran to pay the United States $8 for each 30-day supply of medication furnished such veteran under this chapter on an outpatient treatment of a non-service connected disability or condition. If the amount supplied is less than a 30-day supply, the amount of the charge may not be reduced. “
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"In addition, the board notes that the references to the cost of medication contained in USCA 1722a clearly pertains to VA's cost in dispensing the medication, not the cost to the appellant." 1722a, Copayment For Medication, clearly, makes no mention the VA's cost of dispensing medication. It mentions only the veterans' copayment obligation. The "cost in dispensing the medication" is not the argument. It is the cost in overcharges to the veteran.
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To me it is quite simple. “The Secretary may not require a veteran to pay amount in excess of the cost to the Secretary for medication as described in paragraph (1).” If one supply can be a standard 60, or 90 pill 30 day supply with a copay of $8, how can a 30 day supply of 15 pills at a copay of $8 be standard supply? Therefore, an "excess of the cost" does indeed exist.
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If given to an eight grade grammar school class this arithmetic problem of the two supplies to find the excess of the cost, what would be their answer? They too, would find that an excess of the cost does exist, “..for medication as described in paragraph (1)”
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“(b) The Secretary, pursuant to regulations which the Secretary shall prescribe may-...(1) increase the copayment amount in effect under subsection (a);..” "Pursuant to regulations" means according to law, which the Secretary shall follow accordingly, and prescribe. What is being said, judging by the ruling, tscrew the veteran. These are the VA standards, screw the veteran!
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Citing..“Under 38 C.F.R. Sec. 17.110 Copayments for medications.
(b) Copayments. (1) Unless exempted under paragraph (c) of this section, a veteran is obligated to pay VA a copayment for each 30-day or less supply of medication provided by the VA on an outpatient basis (other than medication administered during treatment).” If ‘administered during treatment’ meant hospitalization, that’s not what it says, or should have been worded. But it did not. It is not ambiguous in the context in which it is presented. Citing, ‘on an outpatient basis, other than medication administered during treatment’ The meaning is quite clear. A patient receiving 60, or 90 day outpatient supply is clearly a treatment of a condition, such as a heart condition, diabetes, etc.
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BVA mentions, “Thus, it is clear that the VA’s cost of filling the appellant’s 30-day prescription exceeds the $8 copayment under 38 C.F.R. Sec. 17.110.” Again the argument clearly is not the VA cost as noted in the Federal Register 12/6/2001. When determining the medication copay cost, VA factored in everything, except the cost of the medication.
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BVA denial in part, "...adherence in the face of overwhelming evidence in support of the result in a particular case: such adherence would result in unnecessarily imposing additional burdens on the VA with no benefit flowing to the claimant." Never mind the burden of overcharges to well over 1.1 million veterans whose prescriptions call for pill splitting.
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It is clear, that with the national budget concerns, of how the BVA came up with this denial. But we can't help that. There are many things in life we do not like, but ignoring a veterans' cause, or the law is not an option. Who lost? Having sat in the lobby of my VA hospital and observed those that passed by, it's not hard to see, there are many who could use any help they can get, as well over 1.1 million other veterans.

Can someone help me out? I am being involuntary reassigned within the USPS. I am a Vet Preference Eligible employee. I understand they have to place me in the same level job, but this may require me to move outside of the facility I am working in. There are lower level positions available, but they are requiring me to sign a document waiving my right to the Merit System protection Board. By waiving my Prefernce rights to the sam level into a lower level. Will this effect me for any future Veteran's Preference rights?

Need everyone's help immediately:
Case: Letter of Revoking of Driving Privileges then, a Letter of Removal for May 5th.

Had a rollaway/runaway last August which was reduced to 14 working suspension.

Any help is appreciated if at all.

Thanks in advance.

Ice Queen; What does your union rep say? Are you already working on a last chance agreement? If you have already served the fourteen day suspension I don’t think they can punish you a second time for the same offense, especially if it was signed off on by both parties. Don’t have anymore meetings with management without a witness present. What city are you in? You are a veteran right?

Top TTO: I and the V.P. are representing another individual. This person is not a veteran and is no longer working. Holland, MI is the place.
The first accident was last July. This person did improve. But, our station likes to give discipline, not help.

Ice Queen: If you were in Los Angeles, Ca, I know a good attorney, because it sounds like that is what this person needs. Especially since this individual as already been removed an attorney is advisable, because the PO will be represented by attorney if you peruse this matter, I have been there.
   Try to find any double standard applied to another individual with the same problem that they did not remove; it worked for us many times. You might want to try a, “Request for Information,” of vehicles accidents in your office in the past two years to see what you can find.

Thanks Top TTO. It can't hurt to ask for more information. God Bless You......

  I am a disabled veteran and cannot perform my regular job.I applied to become a custodian and was denied due to a on the job injury.I was not written up nor was i considered at fault.what can i do and are there any organizations that could help?

Edited by author 04-12-2007 03:07 AM
Madman, Go to the, "Injured on duty," forum further up on this list.

We got our letters of reassignment this week and the MVS craft in Pasadena, Ca. will be history as of April 27, 2007.
An HCR from San Diego got the contract. As anybody heard of an outfit called Sanchez Trucking or Transport

I have a question concerning military medicial records? Is there an time limit on them keeping your records? How about getting your complete records sick calls slips, any lab work but they send you just part of your records. I have been trying to get an complete copy but still getting the run around, yes I have a claim in and in my records it will show I went, I followed doctors orders but the problem was never taken serious. Trying to prove it is one thing but what you do not know they take it and use againist veterans.

BigSurge /m258 I am sure you have some posters on this site that have expertise in acquiring medical records from the military, but if you do not get the info you require try this site, there are many knowledgeable veterans posting there. http://p203.ezboard.com/bvetbenefits

WHAT HELP CAN YOU GIVE A POSTAL VETERAN WITH REINSTATEMENT ELIGIBLE THAT RESIGNED FROM THE POSTAL SERVICE AND NOW WANTS TO RETURN TO THE POSTAL SERVICE IN JOB THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

Hey 10bear, If you just want to get your foot back in the door and don’t really care about how you do it apply for a custodians job. The PO is running an ad in the local newspaper out here looking for veterans to fill custodian vacancies. There are no PTF’s in the custodian craft so you would get your career status back and one year after that you can bid on something else. You could also try asking your question on the, “The Ask a Question,” site on the left hand side of the front page, that’s a popular bulletin board.

 I'm currently filing for a FERS Disability Retirement after working 21 years with The Postal Service, and 3 years military time, which I bought back, making 24+ years goverment service.
 How does a disability retirement affect my V.A. disability benefits if at all?
 My V.A disability is part of the medical reasons for applying for FERS Disability retirement.
 I have 20% total,
 I've requested that my 10% V.A disability on my back be increased.
 I've had the same percentage since 1977.
 Who do I contact?
 Any information will be greatly appreciated....

    Thanks
     Brad Larmee

Brad- the FERS disability will not have any effect on your VA disability. You said YOU were attempting to get your VA rating raised. Most vet orgs can do a better job as they know what needs said and how to state it. I've found the DAV worked best for all the vets I know.

Edited by author 05-25-2007 09:35 AM
I was denied a rural carrier job because my doctor said that he was not sure if i could bend for more than an hour. I know that i can, however i was denied the job. How do i prove my capability for that job before it is to late.

why do you need to bend for an hour??



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Edited by author 05-28-2007 10:13 AM
samuel: the question really is "can you repetitively bend, twist, kneel, squat, turn, lift 80 pds", and do it safely? the trays go in strange positions, i.e., away from your body. odd shaped parcels. and all this REPETITIVELY. i am weighing in as an injured clerk after 25 years. it is more difficult than you think. best to you..
Brad: i know john king on the injured on duty board has info you seek. i'm pretty sure.

I work as an electronics tech. at Phila P&DC. I've worked for the post office for 20 years and I have 11 years military. I am rated 30% from the VA. I have recently filed for increased disability from the VA. I have knee and foot problems both service connected. the problem is that the pain in my feet and knees has increased to the point where I am contemplating disability retirement from the post office. I have had 3 surgeries feet/knees in the last 3 years. I missed significant time for these problems but otherwise have a good attendance record. I have minimal sick leave. My question is will I be approved for disability retirement even though I make it to work on a fairly regular basis? Also once I applied could the post office stop me from coming to work while my claim is being processed? I can't afford to be without a paycheck? I am tacking pain killers that are perscribed to me by the VA. I understand that I am not supposed to be working while using this medication. Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated. Thanks

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I resigned from the post office last year and have been denied reinstatement. I don't know why and am wondering what I can do. I am 10pt vet.
Thanks for any help.

Alfred: It's hard to answer your question without more information. However, reinstatement is a different process from initial hiring. Your 10 points aren't applicable for reinstatement, so one option is to take the entrance examination again and get back on the hiring register where your 10 points would count. Also, you may want to ask the person who denied your reinstatement for some feedback. Sometimes they will will tell you. Normally, an individual who has resigned has a good chance to return if he/she was perceived as a "good worker." To postal management that usually means someone who was productive, seldom (if ever) missed worked, didn't have on the job accidents and didn't cause "problems" for management. How were you perceived by your supervisors regarding the above?

Alfred wrote: "I resigned from the post office last year and have been denied reinstatement. I don't know why and am wondering what I can do. I am 10pt vet.
Thanks for any help."



I resigned in March 1990 and was reinstated in February 2004. I'm also a 10 point Veteran which had no bearing on the reinstatement. I also had never used a day of sick leave or missed a day of work in my previous 5 years before resigning in 1990. Sounds like some information missing here.

I am a PTF Carrier that will be transfering over to Maintenence...i hate being a Carrier, mainly because of the b.s. management dishes out daily, a toothless union, and a job that seems to be getting worse every year (most of the behind the scenes crap i find out off the internet because the union doesnt tell us nadda)....my question is, most maintenence people aswell as management tell me that maintenence is way better than being a carrier, a big plus is that its less..wayyyyy less stress than being a carrier but that i'll take a pay cut because its a lower grade...i was told i'd be placed in between and i make $19 an hour now and that maintenence is $14 an hour to start, so my hourly rate will be placed inbetween..say $16-$17 an hour to start and id automatically be a regular....ok, long story short since the HR lady really wasnt sure, does anyone have an idea of how much i will be making going from a PTF Carrier at $19 an hour down in grade to Maintenence...and is the stress level of the job virtually non-existant as people tell me? I did my time in the Army and im sick of coming to work as a Carrier six days a week having to fight with management, constantly document harassment and b.s. and file meaningless EEO after EEO and Greivences only to have nothing done and constantly get harassed daily by a gaggle of idiots....

I am retired from the US Navy and plan to start with the USPS. Is it true that I would begin employment with 30 days vacation?

Don

Don wrote: "I am retired from the US Navy and plan to start with the USPS. Is it true that I would begin employment with 30 days vacation?"

No, you would not begin employment with 30 days of vacation per year. Assuming you are being hired for a career position, your amount of vacation time (i.e., hours of annual leave) will be based on two factors:

1) Whether you are being hired as a full-time employee (i.e., a "regular") or as a part-time flexible employee (i.e., a "PTF").

2) Whether you have prior federal civilian or military service.

Keep in mind that the typical career employee begins as a PTF and becomes regular as vacancies occur. (Sometimes employees are hired as regulars, but that is unlikely for most positions.) While a PTF, an employee is not guaranteed 40 hours of work per week. The hours actually worked will depend on the needs of the employing office, and those needs could vary. In short, PTFs could average less or more than 40 hours per week. However, the employing office should be able to tell a new PTF how many hours they anticipate that he will work.

A PTF earns annual leave each pay period based on the number of hours he works. A regular is "fronted" his annual leave at the beginning of the leave year. Whether a PTF or a regular, the amount of annual leave earned is the same, providing the PTF works 40 hours per week and both employees have the same number of years of credible service. (A PTF working less than 40 hours per week earns annual leave on a pro rata basis.)

Credible service for earning annual leave (for both PTFs and regulars) includes any previous federal or military service. However, a military retiree does not receive full credit unless he meets one of the following three requirements:

1) Retirement was based on disability resulting from injury or disease received in the line of duty as a direct result of armed conflict.

(2) Retirement was based on disability caused by an instrumentality of war and incurred in the line of duty during a period of war defined in 38 United States Code (U.S.C.) 101 and 301.

(3) On November 30, 1964, the employee was employed in a civilian office to which the Annual and Sick Leave Act of 1951 applied and continues to be employed in a civilian capacity without a break in civilian service of more than 30 days.

Nonetheless, a military retiree can qualify for partial credit based on the following:

(1) Service for determining an employee's leave category is restricted to the actual length of time in active service in the armed forces during any war or in any nonwartime campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge was authorized.

(2) Service in a nonwartime campaign or expedition does not entitle the military retiree to credit for the duration of the campaign or expedition but only for the period of service in the campaign or expedition.

A regular employee accrues annual leave (based on his years of credible service) as follows:

Less than 3 years of credible service: 4 hours for each full biweekly pay period; i.e., 104 hours (13 days) per 26-period leave year.

3 years but less than 15 years of credible service: 6 hours for each full biweekly pay period plus 4 hours in last full pay period in calendar year; i.e., 160 hours (20 days) per 26-period leave year.
 
15 years or more of credible service: 8 hours for each full biweekly pay period; i.e., 208 hours (26 days) per 26-period leave year.
 
A PTF accrues the same amounts of annual leave as shown above if he works 40 hours a week. (Otherwise his accrual rate is pro-rated based on the actual number of hours worked per week.) The only difference in a regular and a PTF (who works 40 hours a week) is that the regular is "fronted" his annual leave at the beginning of the year and the PTF "earns as he goes." However, the accrual rate is actually the same if both the regular and the PTF work 40 hours per week.

For example, assume a PTF and a regular are hired at the beginning of the leave year. (Also, assume the PTF will work at least 40 hours per week.) Neither one has any prior federal civilian or military service. The new regular would have 104 hours of annual leave available on his first pay stub. The PTF would have 4 hours of annual leave available on his first pay stub. (Actually, I think the annual leave may not display until after the 90 day probation period is completed, but that's beside the point for this illustration.)

Now assume that neither employee uses any annual leave during that first year of employment. The PTF's annual leave balance would increase by 4 hours each pay period. The regular's annual leave balance would remain the same. At the end of 26 pay periods, both employees would have an annual leave balance of 104 hours. (Remember, we are assuming that neither uses any annual leave in their first year of employment.) In short, even though the regular's leave was "fronted," the actual accrual rate would be the same.

In fact, if the regular used all of his "fronted" 104 hours of annual leave and quit after working 13 pay periods (i.e., only half of the year), he would have 52 hours of pay deducted from his final check. Although "fronted" 104 hours of annual leave, he would have only accrued 52 hours of that 104 at the time he quit. (At that same point in time, the PTF--if he had used no annual leave--would have an annual leave balance of 52 hours.)

So, as shown above, you are joining an organization with a lot of bureaucracy and rules. Things that seem simple are often quite complex. And, often you will not get good answers to your questions, even from the so-called "experts" who should be advising you. I suggest that you become your own "expert" by reading the appropriate postal manuals and other publications. That's what I did and it saved me lots of time, aggravation and money through the years.

Again, there are lots of experienced postal employees who will give you well-meaning advice that will sound true on the surface. But, they are as likely to be wrong as they are to be correct. Check out everything yourself, even if the advice is from me, Duck Soup - who is generally regarded as all-knowing about postal personnel policies!!!

If you cut and paste the below URL in your browser, it will link you to the official postal regulations on annual leave. Those regulations will tell you how much leave you should accrue based on your circumstances. I suggest you figure out what you will accrue prior to your orientation training session. Then, when annual leave is covered, you can ask your instructor what you will accrue. If it doesn't agree with your assessment, you will at least be prepared to ask the appropriate questions.

Since you are a military retiree, you probably have periods of service in campaigns or expeditions that may place you in a higher leave-earning category. However, all of your credible service must be entered properly in the computer for you to receive the appropriate credit. Such service may not be properly credited on your DD-214 (or overlooked by personnel). And sometimes a veteran needs to supply additional documentation so that Personnel has justification for placing them in a higher leave category. After your accrual rate is determined, I also suggest you watch your pay stubs to make sure that you are being credited the correct amount. GOOD LUCK!

http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/elm/h...002.html#vnameref_6

"I HATE MY JOB" is transferring from PTF Carrier over to Maintenence and had several questions.

1) Generally speaking, the maintenance craft is perceived as less stressful than the city carrier craft.

2] Assuming you are accepting a voluntary change to a lower-graded position, your current salary should be moved to the lower grade. (Note: Since you are a PTF carrier, use the yearly salary that you would make if you were converted to a regular city carrier. Remember, a PTF's hourly rate is higher than a regular's hourly rate due to the holiday pay factor. And, you need to use yearly salaries to determine where you should be slotted.)

If your current salary (yearly pay if you were a regular) falls between
two steps in the lower grade maintenance position, the salary is set at the higher of the two steps. The salary may not be set below the minimum or above the maximum of the lower grade.

Creditable service in your PTF Carrier position should be maintained toward your next step increase as a maintenance employee, with the following exceptions:

(a) If your salary is increased by at least one most prevalent step in the former grade, a new step waiting period begins on the effective date of the reduction in grade.

(b) If the waiting period time already served equals or exceeds that required to advance to the next step following the reduction in grade, you should be advanced one additional step and a new step waiting period begins on the effective date of the reduction in grade.

So actually, you shouldn't see a real reduction in pay, unless your current salary (salary if you were a regular carrier) is above the maximum of the lower grade. If your current salary is above the maximum of the lower grade, then you should be placed at the maximum of the lower grade (i.e., you should be "topped out" in the maintenance position).

I believe the above is how your pay should be handled, but I suggest you verify for yourself. You'll need the applicable pay charts for the city carrier craft and maintenance crafts. Then look at the postal regulations found at the link below. Use those regulations, in conjunction with your current salary (as if you were a regular) and the salary chart for the lower grade maintenance position, and you should be able to determine exactly where you will be slotted.

http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/elm/h...mc4/elm420_002.html

Thanks for the info DUCK SOUP but i feel like an idiot for not understanding how to read the pay scale chart..........

MY SON WAS JUST ASKED TO RESIGN TODAY FROM PFT CARRIER HE HAS ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB 4 WEEKS WITH HIS ROUTE CHANGED MANY TIMES AND GIVEN MORE AND MORE MAIL. THEY SAID HE WAS NOT FAST ENOUGH.HE NEVER GOT TO LEARN A ROUTE OR HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE EXPERENCE .THEY SAID RESIGN AND APPLY AGAIN OR GET FIRED AND NOT APPLY AGAIN. HE IS A VERY HARD WORKER AND HE REALLY NEEDED THIS JOB .THEY TOLD HIM IN THE BEGINNING HE WAS DOING GREAT THEN BOOM !NOW HE HAS NO JOB NO INSURANCE AS HE QUITE HIS PREVOUS JOB CAN THEY DO THIS ? VERY SAD MOM

--I am assuming your son is a veteran and veterans have extra job protections. Call human resources at -1-877-477-3273 option 5 and see if they can help. In the mean time he should have a union rep. present any time he talks to management. They might just be bluffing, trying to get him to quit for some other reason. If they don't put the threat in writing thats what they're trying to do.

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Hi everyone, very interesting site. I have a question....i was a postal employee for 14 yrs in orlando fl. I resigned to take care of my dad and run the family business in '03 when he had heart surgery. When i applied for reinstatement they refused due to my "safety record" which had 1 accident in 14 years with no work time missed because of it. Do i have any legal options to get my job back ? Can i sue ? Anyone have any florida lawyers that specialize in this ? Any help would be appreciated.

Edited by author 08-09-2007 10:56 PM
2go postal- Who denied you, was it your old supervisor? If so call the HR department at 1-877-477-3273 start with option 5. Don't mention that previous attempt, start with a fresh approach and see what they say. Let me know what happens.

I was denied by HR. They sent a letter stating that they reviewed my personel,attendance and safety records and "due to my saefty record" they would not reinstate me. I had 1 accident that was not my fault during the 14 years. I wrote to the HR for s.e and central florida as well as sent letters to about 50 local post offices but the local offices all referred me back to HR. I even wrote to the post master general in washington but he said to contact the local HR because he is not involved in the area hiring processes. <shaking head in frustration> my only option is to try and sue for reinstatement if they are denying me due to a single no-fault incident. After 14 years of loyalty you'd think they'd give some extra consideration.

There must be an ulterior motive for them to deny you based on what your saying. There must be something else in your file, you could file a freedom of information request to see your OPF. But the secret reason could be in your old supervisors, "notes." The contract defines "notes" as a supervisors personal file that they keep on each employee in their office. These so called notes were an issue in my EEO case. According to the contract these notes are not to be shared or left for following supervisors when your supervisor transfers or retires, they are suppose to be destroyed. I doubt that management follows this rule. Since you're a veteran you could take your case to the MSPB, but we haven't had much success with them lately. Another option is to apply for a non-driving position, like custodian or distribution clerk and see if they still deny you.

Edited by author 08-13-2007 11:12 PM
I agree with TOP TTO. Although the USPS has its share of "hard-noses," it seems unlikely that you would be screened out due to only one no-fault accident during your prior 14 years of employment. I would guess that they didn't perceive you as a "good worker." (No offense intended - sometimes their definition of a "good worker" would not agree with yours or mine.)

Off the top of my head, since they say only your safety record is the issue, I would suggest a polite reply, sort of like: "Thanks for the response to my request for reinstatement. However, I do have a concern about being denied reinstatement due to my safety record. As I recall, I only had one accident during my 14 years of previous employment. And that accident was determined not to be my fault. Perhaps there is some type of mix-up and my records are incorrect. Would you please check to ensure that the decision was made on my safety record and let me know? (Give 'em your name, SSN, dates of employment, etc. and sign off.)

Then the ball is in their court. If they confirm that they looked at the correct record (and still use that as the sole justification for not reinstating you), then I'd follow TOP TTO's advise and ask to see the records.

Top TTO said to use the Freedom of Information Act to gain access to your OPF. However, you'll want to use the Privacy Act, and you'll want to look at all the records they have pertaining to you. The OPF usually contains no information at all about an employee's safety record. However, any record they maintain that is only about you is something you have a right to see. That means you can see the "originals" at the office that maintains the records - not just request that copies be mailed to you. If you review them in person, you'll know everything they have "on record" about you and can get copies of just the ones that you really need.

Of course, if you do the above, they will probably be even more determined not to reinstate you. The USPS wants people to do what they are told, when they are told, and not to make WAVES. They certainly don't want anybody who thinks for themselves or who might appear as equally - or God forbid - more intelligent than anyone above them. Such a person is definitely NOT a "good worker" in their eyes.

Nonetheless, if it's only this one no-fault accident preventing your reinstatement, and they have reinstated others who had an accident in the past, you may be able to - as they say - "kick up a fuss." However, about the only way would be through an EEO complaint. If you felt (for example) that they were actually denying you reinstatement because of a prohibited factor (i.e., based on race, age, sex, etc.) instead of due to your safety record. Then, if there was someone who they reinstated (who had an accident in their prior employment) and that person was of a different race, age, sex, etc., than you, then you might have a fighting chance in EEO.

Also, keep in mind that reinstatement is pretty much all up to management - unlike the initial hiring process. So, maybe your best bet of all at this juncture is to take the test again and get back on the register. (Plus, you could always request reinstatement later and try the above. If I'm not mistaken, a non-veteran can be reinstated unless they have been off the rolls for 5 or more years, but there is no time limit for a vet. Note: Anyone out there who knows for sure, speak up!)

Follow the link below if you want to access the Postal Service's own regulations on how to gain access to your records. Also, please reply back to the Board and let us know what all is contained in the letter they sent you. (That would be interesting to know and might generate some other strategies for you to consider.)

IN CONCLUSION, THINK IT ALL THROUGH, DO YOUR RESEARCH, AND THEN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION HOW YOU WILL PROCEED. AND - WHEN YOU DO - SHARE THE FINAL OUTCOME BACK ON THIS BOARD. IT COULD HELP SOMEONE ELSE!

http://www.usps.com/foia/foiarpsr.htm

"Sad Mom" Donna McKierkan said her PTF son has been asked to resign after only 4 weeks on the job.

"Sad Mom", your son's boss should be using a PS Form 1750, Probationary Period Evaluation during his first 90 days. The first day on the job, the boss should tell him the expectations. Those expectations should be recorded on the form and the boss and your son both sign it (or initial it, I forget which). Then he should be rated at 30 days, 60 days, and 80 days on his performance, again using the same form.

Each evaluation, he would be required to initial the form - which means only that he was evaluated, not that he agreed with the evaluation. Then at 90 days, they make a decision (based on the documentation on the form) whether to retain him or let him go. IMPORTANT NOTE: They should also give your son a copy of the form each time.

Question: Are they using this form with your son?

I'm not sure that I agree with TOP TTO about having a union rep present. In fact, I'm not even sure if he can request one. Unless there has been a change , a new empployee can't be represented by the union until he completes his probationary period. (Plus, the "Big-Bad-Boss-Man" usually senses a so-called "bad worker" around, anytime one requests a union steward.)

While they might be bluffing, since they've asked him to resign, it sounds like it may be beyond the bluff stage. However, Ole' Postal Boss-Man sometimes does like to make sure those early evaluations are low. Keeps the boys in line and makes 'em know they've got to strive harder or they will be terminated!

My advice: Have your son check and see if there is a clerk, mailhandler, or even custodian position open. He could be transferred to one of those positions and it's easier to make the grade there. When I worked in Personnel, I would do that occasionally and it usually worked out pretty well. (The Carrier Bosses seemed to always want someone who could step in and do the same job as an experienced carrier. However, there is definitely a learning curve. Why, even old DUCK SOUP struggled when he transferred to the carrier craft. Then, about a year later, he looked back and laughed because those same all routes had become such a breeze!)

NOW "SAD MOM", MY ADVICE ISN'T FREE - OLD DUCK SOUP COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN OLD, FAT AND NOW RETIRED FROM THE POSTAL SERVICE WITHOUT LEARNING ALL ITS "INS AND OUTS." IN FACT, OLD DUCK SOUP HAS MANY SCARS FROM HIS QUEST TO FIND OUT "HOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE" AND "HOW IT WAS REALLY DONE." BUT ONCE HE HAD THAT KNOWLEDGE - IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO - THEN DUCK SOUP HAD THE "EDGE" HE NEEDED.

So "Sad Mom", you must pay for my advise by agreeing NEVER EVER TO POST IN ALL CAPS AGAIN - EXCEPT MAYBE A LITTLE FOR EMPHASIS ONLY. Old DUCK SOUP's eyes are weak from years of scrutinizing the postal regs, etc., so help him out, PLEASE.

And good luck to your son. Let us know how things work out.

"Sad Mom", I hope I didn't leave you with the impression that they have to retain your son for at least 90 days (so that he can be evaluated throughout that whole period). They could terminate him anytime from Day 1 through Day 89 and he couldn't appeal through the union.

He could still file an EEO, and maybe even file with MSPB. (I think I saw an interesting case on that recently, but that's pretty much a new development.)

Again, good luck to your son and keep us advised.

Edited by author 08-14-2007 07:23 AM
Another thing folks may want to think about is whether they really want to work for the Post Office at all. I retired recently with over 30 years of service. For the first 15 or so years, I thought it was - all and all - a great job. However, the organization began to change (around the Runyon era) and each year seemed a little worse than the year before. I was under CSRS so I stayed on to retirement.

I used to try to help friends & relatives get a postal job (e.g., tell them about the exam dates, study guides, vets preference rules, etc.). You know, kind of like the advice you see on this Board. But, honestly, now I first warn them that I wouldn't want any of my kids to work for the Post Office. (Then, if they still want to pursue it, I help them.)

Example: A story on the Main Page ("Worker complaints up at post office in Virginia") quotes a vet who quit as stating the following:

"I told a supervisor before I left that in a year in Iraq, I was treated with more respect and dignity than when I was at the post office."

BOTTOM LINE: Do what's best for you, but remember -- if you make a deal with with the Devil -- you gotta work for the Devil!

Edited by author 08-18-2007 01:52 AM
In response to Duck Soups post #289 where he suggests that Sad Mom might want to have her son file an appeal with the MSPB, I recommend that they use the MSPB as a last resort. The board composed of, "Bush appointees," and a majority of the decisions have gone against the individual veteran. The score was getting so lopsided that we decided not to use that avenue to pursue our case. Instead we are going straight to federal court. Once the word got out that the board was against the individual the case load started dropping. When the board realized this they decided to throw the veterans a bone or two and decided a few cases in our favor. Too late, we already got a read on 'em. The board is also planning to make some changes in the way they decide cases, I hope it is not to late to ask the Senate to disapprove and reject these changes. Want to know more?

In response to Top TTO's post # 291, I wasn't neccessarily suggesting that "Sad Mom's" son file with MSPB. I was just trying to list all of the options that I could think of to possibly fight a removal during probation. Note that I said that he could "maybe even file with MSPB" and that "I thought I saw an interesting case on that recently, but that's pretty much a new development."

In short, I could only think of two legal recourses for "Sad Mom's" son: EEO and possibly MSPB . I notice that you suggest going straight to federal court (and using MSPB as a last resort). However, what federal law could "Sad Mom's" son say the Postal Service viloated by removing him during probation?

On the other hand (with regard to MSBP), a veteran can make a claim under USERRA that he was discriminated against based on his military service, which would allow him to complain to the DOL, and then (if nothing came of the DOL complaint)to file with MSPB. If MSPB didn't rule in his favor, he could then appeal that ruling to federal court. However, again, I don't think he can go straight to federal court without exhausting his remedy under DOL, losing his initial MSPB complaint, then losing his appeal to the full MSPB Board.

Of course, I'm no lawyer, so one would need to check it out. However, I did represent myself once in a case against postal management. I first complainted to DOL, who agreed with my position. However, postal management still wouldn't budge so I filed with MSBP. Initially, the MSPB Administrative Judge ruled against me. However, I appealed his ruling to the full MSPB Board and it ruled in my favor. Management couldn't get the MSPB to change its mind, so they threatened to appeal to federal court. I told 'em that was fine with me. However, they knew their position was a "loser", so they didn't appeal and instead settled the case with me.

With regard to the MSPB, I view them a little more favorably than you, "Top TTO." However, I would agree that - at the initial level - the MSPB Administrative Judges seem to have a bias in favor of management. However, I believe the full MSPB Board gives vets a pretty fair shake and calls it like the law says. Moreover, in recent years, there have been more wins by vets than in the past. (Funny how the law gets adhered to when we are at war.)

Again, "Top TTO," what law could "Sad Mom's" son say was broken? Also, what is the case you are pursuing through federal court? And, last - "yes," I would definitely want to know more about any plans the Board has to change its procedures. I certainly agree with you that we should fight any changes that negatively impact veterans' rights. Give me the specifics, I'm sure willing to contact my representatives to try and stop any such deviltry that may be afoot. And, thank you "Top TTO" for the "heads up."

As I’m writing this, the History Channel is airing a program that attempts to debunk the 9/11 truth movement, i.e. that 9/11 was an inside job. Never in my life have I been so blatantly subjected to overt propaganda. I encourage everyone who knows that 9/11 could not have happened according to the official story to write to the History Channel to voice your disgust and objection. You should also write to the sponsors of this mythical program including: VISA, Intel, Sam Adams Beer, Royal Bank of Scotland, Circuit City, Saturn car company, Dish Network, ACT Mouthwash, Pamprin Max, Citi Bank, Progressive Insurance, Fidelity Investments, Viagra, Nextel, FedEx, & Conoco-Phillips. Don’t believe the government (ever) and let the sponsors know how offended you are at being subjected to this unapologetic propaganda.

Duck Soup - Check back Saturday, I'll have time to go into more detail then.

hi, there,
I am not a new immigrant, and I want to apply a city carrier job.
I live in New York city.
I took 473-c exam, my score is 82. however, i got a rejection letter said that I don't have a good driving record, so i am not eligible for this job.
the story is that I have a car for 2 years, the car and insurance is under my name, last june, my girl friend borrowed my car, and she hit another car. I wasn't in the car, that was not my accident.

I feel very innocent for this rejection reason. is it possible to argue it? where can i get my detail driving record? how to fight for this rejection?
thank you in advanced

Duck Soup - I am not a lawyer either. I' ve been put through the mill too, but not to your extent. I 've filed an EEO against the PO and was able to settle my case without going to the MSPB, I was lucky that time. I was thinking about "Sad Mom's," case and I was beginning to wonder if she was getting the whole truth from her son? She hasn't updated us, so who knows. Your suggestion of filing an EEO is a better avenue of approach though, he could get a redress hearing a lot quicker that way and it wouldn't matter if he is still on probation and he could have an attorney present too.

  Regarding my court case. It is actually a class action suit being brought by the union against the PO. The PO has wanted to privitize transportation for several years, but, there is a regulation prohibiting them from taking a veterans job and giving it directly to a contractor. There are so many veterans in the PO that management decided not to test the waters, then Bush became President and now his appointees chair the board. So the PO tried a test case, "The Haranots," decision, I think I misspelled it though, anyway, the PO won the test case and now they are going full bore on contracting out jobs. The test case involved clerks, but the PO has changed focus to transportation and maintenance. We, the mvs craft in pasadena ca. have already been excessed out of the facility and our jobs have been handed over to HCR's. Our local president told us that the union was going to by pass the MSPB & the whole veterans issue and take the case to federal court on some other grounds, what I don't know, stay tuned.

Regarding your last question, the MSPB wants to change the rules on how it decides cases. They want the authority to decide cases on a summary judgment basis. You can search for the article on the GOVEXEC.com website, dated March 23, 2007, "Merit board seeks summary judgement powers," by Jenny Mandel. Her email address is jmanded@govexec.com. I wouldn't grant this board any more power than they already have, I don't trust them. I hope its not too late, so much time as passed since the article was published, we were excessed in April, I work two jobs, there was just so much going on suddenly its August. Thanks for wanting to help, keep me posted.

Edited by author 08-30-2007 11:00 AM
ALL POSTERS (WITH SPECIAL ATTENTION TO "TOP TTO" & "SAD MOM":
  
"Top TTO" makes a good point about folks updating the Board. I would add that many asking for advice provide such "sketchy" info that's its hard to give them useful input. (Now, I admit my posts are probably too long, and I should ask more questions before trying to help.)

Feedback, though, is important so we can all learn what's helpful and what's not. For example, a message like "I followed DUCK SOUP's advise and, not only didn't it work, they also fired me!!" could be helpful to others. (Of course, I would respond: "Hey, I just provided info in response to your post. It was always your ultimate choice how to proceed. However, I do feel badly when a vet gets fired, so I'm sending you an original early 70s 'SORRY 'BOUT THAT' tab.")

Anyway, I read the article "Top TTO" gave us the "heads up" on. As I understand it, it would eliminate a vet's right to a hearing and an MSPB Judge could just "summarily dismiss" his case. As "Top TTO" indicated, that wouldn't be a good development. I plan to write my reps and voice my concerns. (I put the link to the article below, as well as links to all the congressmen and senators.)

In conclusion, I'm also against contracting out the postal motor vehicle service (MVS) jobs for a number of reasons. In my experience, our drivers (i.e., postal drivers - I'm a retiree) did a better job than contractors. Also, this move is just another attack on the middle class (lower paid workers with no benefits). Postal jobs are viewed as pretty good jobs (wage and benefit-wise), but a lot depends on where you live. I noticed "Top TTO" is in California, so he's earning his dough - I don't mind whatever potion of the cost of my stamps he ends up with - so I'll add some concerns about this type of contracting out when I write my reps.

In closing, "SAD MOM", WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH YOUR SON?...DID HE TRY TO TRANSFER?...DID HE RESIGN?...WAS HE FIRED?...IS HE FIGHTING THE EVIL SUPERVISORS?...LET US KNOW, WE'RE ROOTING FOR HIM!

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0307/032307m1.htm

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml

http://www.senate.gov/

Edited by author 09-18-2007 08:22 PM
My husband was fired from the post office last week with only three days to go before his 90 day probation period was up and he has a 10 point veterans peference and was in a mail handlers position. He was asked to stay and work overtime to get whatever type of mail out and he did. When he did all he could with that mail he left. The person who was working with him was supposed to weigh the mail and did not and walked out and left it sitting there. My husband got the blame for this even though he doesn't know how to weigh the mail. Also they said that he didn't show up for work on time several days. Thats true thats because his tour super said not to pay atten. to the scheuled that he should come in 2 hours later and we get a phone call form the next tour super wanting to know why he was late. My question is finally sorry is there something we can do to get his job back because of the 10 point preference and what rules are they to follow to fire a vet in probation..... I think I am putting this message in the right spot if not sorry about that....

I just left this message on www.21cpw.com in the General Union Business. I do not know how long it will stay up on this website. So I am also posting it here

festusw@yahoo.com
San Diego Local 197
Member only
- Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 10:51:10 (PDT)

I would like to apologize to Frank and Randy for the actions of a few individuals in our local. Because, of an idividual actions who attacked my posting. My original posting was removed. About 1 week ago, I posted here the below written message. I was only just asking for information from other Union members so I could see if I was correct in my understanding of this article that was written in our local newsletter.


Hello Everyone,

I am a member of San Diego Local 197. Two days ago, I just recieved my my Local's Newsletter "the Potpourri". Inside this issue beginning with the cover page were the normal items that I had seen in earlier issues. But beginning on page 10 of this issue I began to get disturbed while reading on article by Chief Shop Steward Will Tagart. The reason I was getting disturbed was this Chief Shop Steward was attacking fellow Union Members. One Union member he was attacking was the former Vice President of our Local 197 who had resigned do to disagreeing with our current Local President. The other member the Chief Shop Steward is attacking in the article is the current Asst. Clerk Craft Director Tammy Yorsch. This verbal attack goes on for three pages and is then followed by twenty one pages of documents that the Chief Shop Steward says supports his accusations.

I have taken the time to scan the complete issue of our Local's newsletter into JPEG's. I am willing to send this to anyone who would care to see what is currently being pushed onto the members of this local. If someone out there can look this over for I believe that there is something fundementally wrong with what has happened. Please let me know if I am right concerning this? If so what can either I or someone at National do about this abuse?

Thank you,

Marion Williams


So Randy and Frank keep up the good work on this website for I have gotten good information from it in the past and look forward to reviewing it later.

Thank you,

Marion F. Williams

Mandy/298
Generally, in order to fall under the jurisdiction of the Merit Systems Protection Board you must have been in the same position for a least one year. To determine whether there are any exceptions to this rule I recommend that you go to the Board’s web site at www.mspb.gov and research cases that are similar. Keyword “probationary period” and it will show a list of cases that you can read through.
From a different angle your husband may want to consider filing an EEO complaint. (Keep in mind that he only has 45-days from the date he was let go to contact a Postal Service EEO Counselor. The number to contact is 888-336-8777.) He should consult with the local Mail Handler union to find out if other employees have been let go during their probation, and if so, how often does it occur. How is your husband different from the employees that were retained during their probationary period? Is your husband different with respect to his race, color, national origin, sex, age, religion, or disability? Perhaps management was aware that he had an impairment so didn’t want to keep him. Were the other employees who were let go during their probation also similarly endowed with some impairment? Or perhaps there’s a pattern of letting go older workers during their probation, etc.
If nothing else, an EEO complaint might at least afford your husband another shot at a probationary period. Writing a letter to your Congressperson about the situation couldn’t hurt either.

I am a 10 percent disabled vet
and I won a Grievence through the B-Team on 8/22/07, now management has to add up all the hours in question to come to the amount that i am to be paid (back pay), i was fired on my 81st day of probation for not making dois times, too slow is what management said and I fought it for 2 months and got my job back before it went to the MSPB because i was never actually fired,never got anything in writing, told to surrender my badge and escorted from the building by my supe and manager (who is now our postmaster)and all they did was just remove me from the station senority rolls although technically and according to the Districts records i was still employed, never terminated so now i will be paid wages in leu of EVERY PTF at the station for those 2 months.

My question is how long does it take after the B-Team awards a greivence does it take for the greivant to be payed and how will i be payed, a separate check or will it be apart of my payroll check? There was no date specified in the letter of award and most people are telling me usually within 30 days i should see it.

The union on the other hand is telling me "we must give them reasonable time to add up all the hours and calculate all the monies you are to be paid", so then i ask what is a reasonable amount of time and then my union prez starts the old broken record routine. To date it will be one month from the date i won on September 22.

Any info is appreciated.

Mandy/298 The Postal Advocate Employee is giving you good advice, now if I might add my two cents. File an EEO NOW!!! While you are waiting for the package to arrive in the mail get an attorney. They're expensive but their fees are included in your award when you win, so you'll get your money back. Thats what I did, because when you file an EEO the PO will turn the case over to staff attorney if a settlement can't be reached at the Redress Hearing and you'll want to push this case past the Redress hearing and have it heard by a judge. Don't miss any filing deadlines. Good Luck, based on what you say I think you've got a real good chance, keep us posted.

Low Morale Carrier Call the HR department at1-877-477-3273 option 5.

/m302 Thanks for the advice Top TTO, i called the number, they told me to call my Union.....

I took the exam in either 2000 is there any way i can get my results?? i need them for another job. I only got a 78 so i was never selected but i need proof that i took the exam for the Post Office.

Re: Low Morale Carrier - Sorry I couldn't have been of more help & I apoloize for referring you to HR. When we used to have Data Site employees thats where I went to find out about getting paid for a settlement we had coming, but that was several years ago. They knew everything, this one woman that worked there would keep bugging management until they submitted the paper work so she could process the request and get a pay date. I guess its up to the union now, I hope they're trust worthy.

I have a question to all you Carrier Vets out there. As a PTF Carrier on probation and a paid union member, how can the Union protect me if my Supervisor is hellbent on firing me for being slow?

Amy

This was posted by a rural carrier on another site but I have an idea it will be helpful to many:

PAYROLL QUESTIONS


Have you ever gotten a Letter of Demand that makes absolutely no sense to you
 or to your manager? Have you ever had $95 deducted from your check with no explanation?
Have you ever wondered what is happening with your paycheck?



With the downsizing of the Finance Department in the Districts, it is often
difficult for a rural carrier or a manager to get answers to important questions about our pay.
Dont fret; there is now a National number you can call directly to iron out the payroll problems
your local managers are unwilling or unable to fix.



The Accounting Help Desk is ready to help you with payroll questions. There
 is even a toll-free telephone number: 1-866-974-2733.
  You will need your I.D. Number and your USPS PIN Number.



Your I.D. number is on the right side at the top of your earnings statement
(pay stub). It is an 8 digit number. The Postal Service is no longer using
Social Security numbers for I.D. numbers.



Your USPS PIN number is the same one you use to access PostalEASE. If you have
 forgotten your PIN number, or if you never got one, dial 1-877-477-3273.
 Your PIN number will be mailed to you.

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  I am a D.A.V. and am injured and cannot go back to my job,I have been denied other jobs at the P.O. because of my injury now I here I am on the reassessment list what should I do?

Contact your Union rep only they can help at this point.

Crazy/309
If you are a preference eligible veteran management must provide you with work within your medical restrictions, as long as you are ready, willing, and able to work, and your doctor says that you can work with restrictions. If you have been in a forced leave or in a LWOP status for more than 14-days, you should file a “constructive suspension” appeal and/or an “enforced leave” appeal with the Merit Systems Protection Board. You can go to their web site at www.mspb.gov and fill out the appeal form. You are protected by the Veterans’ Preference Act in this regard. You can also raise disability discrimination as an affirmative defense.
Amy/310 said - “Contact your Union rep only they can help at this point” is absolute Bullsh*t. Very few union officers are sufficiently prepared or knowledgeable about veteran’s rights. She may have meant well but the advice is far off the mark. If you would like more information, you can contact me at postalemployeeadvocate@juno.com.

Glenn; how do you know you got a 78? Sounds like you got a letter stating your score, which is proof you took the test???????

Hello, nice site :)

 I am thinking of disability retirement for my postal injury,i am 60% d.a.v. can i get unemployability from the v.a. too

crazy , apply for disibility with po and dav.

Postal advocate I have a question for you.

I'm a preferenced veteran supervisor removed for viewing pornography on computers. The OIG investigated on Mar 22, 2007 in which I confessed to everything because it was true and I had no representation because I knew nothing about NAPS. After the investigation I was told I couldn't talk to anyone about the case. After speaking with the Postmaster, He took me into her office because he stated that I couldn't be charged criminally for anything and it becaomes an admin action. The Postmaster asked me did I do what was on her paper and I stated yes. She then asked me if I wanted to resign or I will be forced to take 2 weeks LWOP. I took the 2 weeks and when it was up asked to return to work but was denied and placed on admin lve for about 2 1/2 mths before being interviewed by her because another supervisor and a manager who sent us both sexually explicit material was interviewed by OIG also. Supervisor was placed on emergency lve and manager was placed on admin lve by his boss. Now we are 1 week away from MSPB and after the judge stated that I may have a case concerning the LWOP as being discipline, the lawyer asked for the paperwork of the leave which had already given him. After reviewing the lve I noticed that it began a day later instead of the day I had my badge and keys taken and walked out of the building. I take this as being a 15 day suspension which I stated to the lawyer I received no MSPB rights. The next day a manager from the P.O. came out to deliver me a check for that time I was LWOPed. Can you tell me why they want to give this money back 1 week before the board hearing? I have confessed to everything and NAPS wouldn't help my case but I no that my Douglas factor rights have been violated. Thanks for your help.

Johnny#5 that was DUMB. There is so much software in use by govt and private industry that flags keywords no one can get away with porn for long. I hope you have aa lawyer and a job prospect. Good luck

and he will be making new friends in jail. they will be lining up when they find out what you are in for!!!!!

  had to take a new job due to on the job injuries and military injuries,I have had to go on antidepressants,and blood pressure meds due to taking this job.But yet they will deny me a custodial job

Can someone explain the delivery time for express on observed holidays. Is this the same as every other day?

To All,
As many veterans know, whenever they file an EEO Complaint regarding a matter that could also be under the jurisdiction of the Merit Systems Protection Board (constructive suspension of more than 14-days, removal or constructive removal, etc) the Postal Service has been forcing these individuals into the M.S.P.B. arena, whether they want to go there or not. Once before the Board, they find that the Postal Service is arguing that the Board doesn’t have jurisdiction (even though they forced the employee into the M.S.P.B. arena), and the employee finds they have to argue that the Board has jurisdiction (even though they didn’t want to go to the Board in the first place). If the full Board finds that they don’t have jurisdiction, the employee then has to appeal that decision to the OFO (even though the Board doesn’t usually advise employees that they have the right to appeal to OFO), asking that the case be “un-mixed”, placed under the jurisdiction of the EEOC, and remanded to the EEOC’s District Office for a hearing.
How much time has been wasted by the employee, the agency, and the Board just force the employee into a circular path to the EEOC?
Recently I was contacted by an attorney for NEEOISO who told me that he AGREED WITH ME (regarding a similar argument made recently to OFO in one of my cases). He too thought it a waste of time and resources and seemed to want to change how these circumstances have been handled (after all, the Postal Service wants to try to save money too). He asked me to provide him with the name(s), location(s), and contact information regarding any employees who are in similar circumstances.
So I am requesting that all of you put the word out that we are looking for preference eligible employees who have filed EEO complaints, but contrary to their choice of process, have been essentially forced to appeal to the M.S.P.B. Please have them contact me at –
J.R. Pritchett
postalemployeeadvocate@juno.com

I was active duty (SSG) U.S. Army from 1984-1996 including the gulf war, after getting out i was hired by the postal service in 1997 but was denied Vet. pref. status after i scored 100% on the custodial exam and instead hired as a clerk. 2004 i filed a grievance after Human resources told the APWU president and i that they denied the pref to over a 1000 gulf war vet pref eligibles (they said it was by mistake but i feel it was purposely done to keep the vet pref status personnel out). The grievance was finalized (buried) after i went out for elbow surgery with only a 5 month senority back date for me. I wanted to get switched to custodian and go for technician as i did electionics for the 12 years i was in the service. I retook all the tech and cust. exams and still wont be allowed to switch over even though numerous others (non vet prefs)have been switched- my feeling and a few others feel it maybe because the Postal service wants to do to the cust. and techs as they did with the postal police and eliminate the career jobs. Any others with this situation?

Edited by author 02-13-2008 07:25 AM
By the way i was "given" my vet pref status by the union in 2000 after i wrote a statement against a supervisor for the union and they used it against him. prior to this both the union and management keep telling me that since i was hired as a clerk they didnt have to give me the status- which i felt was a right given for service during the war by the president not for human resources to pick and choose.

66- I can feel your pain. I only scored a 98 on the exam and with my 10 disability points I had a 108 point total. While in HR the supervisor gave me the scoop. They had never hired custodians off the street. start as craft and apply. Some converted as soon as they completed probation. Legal? Fair?????

Edited by author 02-16-2008 06:41 AM
I took the tech exams then went to the review board- they said they were very impressed with all my training that i had more than they see come through then i promptly received an ineligible rating. It seems they are attempting to keep pref elig out of the cust/maint craft. as you wrote Legal? Fair?????

Edited by author 02-16-2008 09:44 PM
My question is, “can someone give me guidance and or direction on becoming a career employee”? I am a US Army veteran with a 30% service connected disability rating. I am interested in a CAREER position within the postal service. I was offered a casual clerk position in St. Petersburg, Florida in September of 07’ which I accepted. This was after I had taken the postal service career exam (battery 473) in Jacksonville, FL. in 2006 and again in Tampa, FL. in 2007. In each instance I scored in the 90’s which includes my veterans’ preference points. I was recently transferred to the Tampa, FL. P&DC with 4 other casuals whom the postal service did not let go after the holiday season. It is rumored that the good casual employees are kept, while all others are released until the next holiday season. This speaks to the fact that I must at least be a decent employee and able to do the job despite my disability. I feel I have done all the things required to become a career employee, yet nothing has happened. Can someone here direct me to a point of contact who may be able to help me to get my foot in the door? I will accept any position offered to me with the exception of a driving job. Due to my military injuries I am blind in my right eye which placed a restriction on my driver’s license and hinders me from employment in driving positions. Any guidance, advice and or assistance will be greatly appreciated.
rod.wilson@yahoo.com

God bless

/323 That's right. After you become a career employee your Veterans Preference is no longer any good for job selection.

Edited by author 02-22-2008 01:40 AM
how many gulf war vet. pref eligibles (1990-1992), not just regular vets- there is a difference- were hired after 1997 when the law was changed. i was hired in 1998 but was denied vets pref. along with over 1000 others here in buff. management and the union buried the grievence i filed about this while i was out having surgery. Their both corrupt.

Edited by author 02-22-2008 03:37 AM
RodW:
Career craft employees (i.e., clerks, mailhandlers, carriers, etc.) must be hired from a "register of eligibles." This is a list of applicants who have taken the postal exam. The list is in score order sequence augumented by veterans preference, except that disabled veterans (who have a passing raw score of 70) are placed at the top of the list ahead of all other applicants.

When you take the postal exam, you identify the jobs you wish to be considered for as well as (normally) 3 offices you wish to work at. When a career vacancy occur, a register is pulled based on the job and office with the vacancy. If it is a job and office you selected, then your name will be on the register. A selection is made from one of the top three scores and a preference eligible cannot be passed over to select a non-preference eligible (without a suitable reason). Scores are normally valid for two years, but an extra year can be requested after you have been on the register for 1 and 1/2 years.

You need to find out who handles exams for Jacksonville and Tampa and check your status (this function may now be at the HR shared service center in Greensboro). They can tell you what jobs and offices you chose and if you are still "live" on any registers.

Being a casual is a good move (with one caveat) and your assumption is correct that the better Christmas casuals are kept after the Christmas season. The only drawback is if your work performance/attendance deteriorates they could give you bad evaluations (or even release you). Then, that information could be used to passover you for a career job.

GOOD LUCK
Retired HR-Guy "Duck Soup"

RodW /m326 DPerkins has provided excellent information. Another thing to consider, both cities that you speak of, Jax and Tampa, have a very high number of military retirees and veterans. So their hiring registers could be top heavy with others with veterans preference. Unless there is a high turnover of postal employees, you may be waiting a long time. If there was another area that you could be interested in, that would not have so many veterans and retirees, your chances should improve. Maybe HR can aim you in the right directtion.

Here is an interesting video on youtube.com on how not to run a union meeting. It is from the APWU Local 197 July 2007 meeting. Look how the President does not let the members do a motion when he does not like it. Here is the link for the video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PvRU7g64vo4

Or you can do a search for apwu197

Edited by author 03-02-2008 08:14 PM
I'm a disabled vet w/ preference. I've been working as a casual for the past 3 years steady. I took the 473 exam last year and was called to an interview last week for sales/distribution clerk position. During the interview, the station manager was a real @sshole. Not sure why, I was nothing but kind from the moment they called me into the interview room (after keeping me waiting 45 minutes past my appointment time without even acknowledging that I was there). Not sure where his bad attitude came from but I managed to hold my tongue during the interview, even when he asked me an "illegal" interview question (if I'm married/have a family) I still went along with it.

So here are my questions:

1) I doubt that I will get this position, but how long should I wait to hear anything from them before giving up and looking for something else? As I said it's been a week...actually almost 2 weeks now. At the end of the interview one of the guys sent me for a drug test and that was it, I wasn't really given the chance to ask any questions about the process from there.

2) Since I have vet preference, and in fact I know that I am first on the register in my city, if I don't get this position will my name go back on the register in its original place?

Thanks for any info. and good luck to everyone who is testing/interviewing!

Edited by author 03-03-2008 04:50 AM
Ted im a vet pref also the postal service here denied me vet pref status when hiring me saying that this was legal since they in fact did hire me although not for the job i wanted. after fighting for my status i finally was "given" it after i agreed to write a statement against a supervisor for negligence. since being hired (10 years ago) ive learned that the postal management is against pref eligibles because they have to afford and abide by certain rules which they dont want to during such times as excessing etc. it is my belief that due to nepotism running the postal service they have screwed vets over since the law changed in 1996 making gulf war vets pref eligible. I filed a grievence about this after the union president and i were told by human resources that they denied pref to over 1000 gulf war vets during 1997- 2000. Instead of letting this grievence go national the union pres and human resources buried the grievence when i went out for surgery and never notified me but on the bright side they back dated my senority 5 months- errr 5 months of senority at the bottom left me still at the bottom of the senority list but im sure the corrupt union president got paid off well.

if they dont hire you go to VA see what you can get from them on this matter.

Thanks for the reply Epicon. I think the manager's attitude must have been over my vet preference, that's the only thing I can think of. He was nitpicking my application trying to find any little thing to take issue with. I told him when he looks at my record as a casual over the past 3 years, he will notice I have a good record (never taken an unauthorized day off, etc.) After that I asked him if he's a vet, he said no. So I wouldn't be surprised if he has the same line of thinking as the other management you mentioned (i.e against vet preference, etc).

Oh well, if they pass me over it's not the end of the world, I'm also eyeing a state job. But I will still file a complaint or inquiry with the APWU or whomever I have to, just to point out this unfair treatment of vets.

I received an Ineligible rating. Don't understand. What does this mean? I am already on as a rural carrier but did not want this position I wanted the electronic tech position. Did this affect this?

It means you are not the person they had in mind for the job whether you scored higher on the exam or not.

I took the mega exam in Tallahassee, Fl and scored a low 76.3%. Does that mean I scored too low to receive a letter for interview?? I'm thinking maybe just give up and realize I won't be interviewed with a score in the 70's. Any thoughts??

take the test again when offered and WHERE offered. how for would you be willing to commute?

I'm willing to take the test almost anywhere but the problem is USPS only offers the rural carrier test on a (every 3 or 4 months)regular basis. The mega exam that I took is only offered once a year. I am hoping that several people scored in the 70's so I could at least be interviewed and have a chance at a job.

Any veterans on limited/light duty going through the postal service excessing? Would like to hear how it is going and what is going on? What rights do the veterans have and etc.

first question are you a compensible veteran?

Right now since 2001 I am fighting with the VA. I was not informed about keeping a copy of my medicial records at my discharge. I had went on sick call serval times concerning my back. At this time they can not find my complete medicial records. All they have sent me is that last form you have to fill out at discharge. We are in the appeal stage and awaiting word. This has been a very stressful process and contining to pray that a light will be at the end of the tunnel.

Stop trying to freeload off of the Goverment,if you have a bad back that means you cant carry mail= BA_BYE....try pulling that crap at UPS and see what happens to you..BTW if you were claiming a ""bad back"' in 2001 what war were you in?

BigSurge,

do you have a VA rating at all even 0% ?

I normally do not respond to STUPID people. You seem to want to jump in where you do not belong. Sure your mother always told you if you can not say anything nice then just keep your mouth shut. I did not step on you and your problems so if you can not help then just fly off somewhere else. Never heard or saw anything that said a veteran is not a veteran War time or not. This site is about helping other veterans not about giving them further grief, we had enough while serving and trying to get help for serving our country.

All that is still in process?

As a 5 point veteran you are a preferance eligible but you dont have super seniority. you do have some linited recourse through MSPB. But to be honest, until you get a rating of at least 10%, 30% or more is preferable. you very welll may be excessed. Remember if you are excessed file a stepI grievance. and file a MSPB appeal under adverse personel action. hope this helps.

Thanks

A Vet is a Vet but War time Vets errr Vet Pref. Eligibles such as Vietnam or the Gulf (90-92)are designated as such by the President for certain time frames of the War- that would make the difference along with certain rights/protections.

That is true only if you were on the ground in country. Or were in direct support. A Vet is a Vet. but there are several factors that can preclude you from preference. According to the law unless you were on the ground or in support OR you have an expiditionary medal. you are a 5-point Vet

When your APWU president isnt a vet and makes statements that he is against Vet Pref Eligibles because they have certain rights over a non vet employee and buries a grievance showing the PO unlawfully denied Vet Pref status to over 1000 Gulf War Vets you realize he's as corrupt as management for denying the status to the vets for the sole purpose of keeping the Vets out of the PO so they can downsize the workforce at will without repercussions from VA or MSPB..

But you have direct recouse..... if you have the grieveance number you can file a labor charge against the union and he will have to awnser to the NLRB. Union presidents are not above reproach

I filed the grievance showing they denied the status from me after i scored 100% on an exam that you have to be Vet Pref for but HR claimed that since he was hiring me as a clerk PO regs state he didnt have to give me the status. The APWU Pres said it could take years to settle -I went out for surgery and like 2 weeks after i was out they finalized errr buried it giving me 5 months back senority(only) i didnt find out about it til i came back to work like 6 months later. A lawyer told me since i signed on for the grievance i was bound by their finalization.

if the grieveance is beyond StepII he is correct. if its not you can file an appeal. If not you can wait until the grieveance is settles you have 30 or 60 days from the settlement to appeal.

The union later "gave" me the status after i agreed to write up the supervisor directly responsible for the injury i had to have surgery for, since they were after him for other things.

how did they "give" you the status when the union is not incontrol of ratings and tests? where you a 10 point vet when you were hired?

The union went upstairs and had it corrected on paper designating me as a Vet Pref Eligible. I was denied any Vet status along with over a 1000 others(as told to the APWU pres and myself by HR) as far as i know im the only 1 here in Buffalo that got hired- i was active duty from 1984-1996.

So you are a non- compensible 10 point vet

I did electronics for the 12 years active duty but even though ive taken the tech exams and have been on the "switch over to custodial" list for a few years they refuse to transfer me over, theyve only allowed non vets to switch over- my belief is they hope to do to cust/maint what they did to the Postal police once all vets are gone. Time to get going - got to go "get on the Clock"

Thanks for the conversation and "intell"

I was a SSG in the Army, Bncoc honor grad, have over 900 hours of correspondence courses, extensive commendations and certifications on my job competency including 5 consect. commendables on division command inspections. scored 94 and 95 on last 2 SDT exams. but after going before the PO review board for 2 1/2 hours and told how very impressed they were with my extensive qualifications i received an "ineligible" and told they didnt have to tell me my exam scores or why i received the ineligible rating or why they wont let me transfer.

Excessing: As a Veteran with Preference, you can be excessed from your job and even your installation, but you have to be placed into the same level pay. You may waive your Preference to be place into a Lower level job.

True you can be excessed but only after non pref. eligibles have been excessed

Yes thats true like 2 years ago they sent me an excess letter but then cancelled- why would a Vet waive preference your next waive would be goodbye as your getting the boot out the door.

go to the site map on the left side of the Postal reporter lead page and see the rapid decrease in Veterans under the Veterans rights section this is why the PO unlawfully denies Vet Pref status to Vets and Blackballs us out of Maintenance positions.

2002 workforce- 751,980
2002 Vets- 223,796
2006 workforce- 695,890
2006 Vets- 179,348
 so total workforce jobs lost= 56,000 of those Vet jobs lost=45,000 The postal service claims that its the Vets who at fault for not getting hired when in fact it is their unlawful hiring practices that are keeping the Vets out.

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Aren't we involved in 2 wars- how many Vet returning from these wars? but the Vet workforce numbers are steady decreasing at a major rate. Are Vets really as stupid as the PO is attempting to claim? I scored 100% on a Vet Pref only exam but was unlawfully denied Pref status and eliminated from the job- How many others was this done to throughout the U.S. I was told it was done to over a 1000 here in Buffalo by our head HR manager (errr add dick to the head part as his first name really is richard)- for his role in doing this to the Vets!!!. Last name rhymes with DUMBASS without the B - Alledgedly but for real.

For intell and anyone else, from the horse's mouth:
http://www.opm.gov/veterans/html/vetsinfo.asp#Word
OPM has other links as do some of the other US agencies.
Many states have veterans outreach pages that summarize
benefits of veterans preference eligibles.
For epicon66: Frank has always been down on preference
eligibles...funny thing too, him not being a veteran of
anything. Also funny in that one of our National APWU officers
is a strong advocate of veterans rights...Cliff Guffy from
Oklahoma.
The big problem with preference is the Union most of the time
doesn't know anything about a preference vet's problems UNLESS
he get's HIRED, and in Buffalo,NY, they do their best to keep
DISABLED vet's out, even when you can DO THE JOB. Their medical
officer, a female management minion, postulates on most disabled
vets that they will someday have an on the job problem because of
their injury, and they don't get hired. We recently had a case of
a vet who they wouldn't hire for a carrier vacancy because of his
injury in the service, even though the military stated he was fit
to serve....BIG STINK AND NEWSPAPER PUBLICITY, PLUS TV COVERAGE
LOCALLY FORCED AN ABOUT FACE AND REEVALUATION, AND HE WAS HIRED.
nuff said.

YOU are right frank isnt a Vet and has stated to his stewards that he feels there should be no Vet Pref status and all employees should be treated equal. He is corrupt and in the back pocket of management, im sure he got paid off well for burying that grievance dealing with the 1000 Vets who were unlawfully denied their Vet Pref status by HR. Initially he told the HR manager that what he did was illegal now after he buried that grievance he recently stated that he feels it was just a small error by management denying the Vets their Pref status.

hello - I am about to take the test and I will get the vets 5 point preference, my question is: If I score say 72 plus my 5 points gives me a score of 78 am I am then place on the list with the others or is their a whole separate list just for vets? And from my understanding of this, they must exhaust the list for veterans first before hiring regular people, is that correct? So if I just passed the postal exam, it really doesn't matter what score I get, I will get hired first before the other people correct? Any advise on this would be helpful, thanks so much.

Not true you want to score as high as possible because if anyone scores higher than you they will be hired first. If you score 77points with your military service points, you will be placed at the top of the 77 scores providing another vet with 10 points doesn't bump you

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/m372 Congratulations! You have already failed the math test.LMAO

besides not being able to add which is a strike against you (unless you want to be a nepovisor) you are a vet which the postal service is trying to eliminate from service so as downsizing continues they dont have to deal with the "Burden" of dealing with rules pertaining to vets.

thanks to steve martin for for his advice, since I am a tough skin person, the people that responded saying that I cant add, well I had a tough monday morning, just seeking some advice from some vets and I get a bozo response for not adding my numbers up, well that just goes to show you that this web sites sucks.....

C'mon fellow Vet we are just bustin your B_lls a little humor never hurt anyone- much. besides if you do ever get hired you'll find out what the rest of us have about working at the Post Office errr as a cotton picker on potters plantation- Vets are blackballed, family members run the PO and if you had any up in HR then you wouldnt even be having this conversation. But good luck.

What should I expect during the post office medical examaniton. And why do they want to send a copy of your rateing from Veterans Affair. Can this stop me from getting a job? Is this the last step?

Also, will this medical check up stop me from getting the job at all? I get 60%. Don't know what to expect. It has me nervous. What do I need to say to them?

they will try to say you are unfit for service but fight them

Here is a short stroy that turned into a long one.

Like epicon66 was saying, they will try to stop you from hiring on. When I was being hired, I had to do the medical exam that your getting ready to do. I was rated at 30% by the VA. The doctor checked me out and told me she was required to make a medical assessment of whether I could do the job I was being hired for for at least 6 months with no expectations of problems from my VA ratings. The doctor stated in her report that I currently showed no symptoms or abnormalities to prevent me from being hired, but since I was rated at 30%, there was no way to be sure.
 The post office hiring official took that info and tried to deny hiring me, by simply stating that I was not fit to work at the post office. I had already expected that and had read up on the procedures the post office must take to deny a vet pref with 30% or more rating. The post office didn't follow precise procedures, by not following the proper timeline for my appeals. I also requested a "reasonable accommadation" for my ratings with specific requests to overcome what might be considered a disability. I didn't really need them, since I was asking for reasonable accommadations for things that would not interfere with my performance. I don't have diabetes, but it would be like me asking for permission to bring a hypodermic to work with insulin to overcome that disability. Not that I'm downplaying diabetes. So I played that card. The reasonable accomadation request has to go to district level personnel instead of the hiring official. The hiring official has to give a very good reason for not hiring a 30% or more rated vet. Since I had requested the reasonable accommadation, there was no good reason for not hiring given, and had pointed out some facts regarding their "illegal" hiring practices in the same letter, the matter was dropped and I was hired within 2 weeks.
 Not every story will go this way, but this one is mine. Read up on the hiring practices and pay particular attention to hiring vets, hiring timelines for denial, and reasonable accommadation requests.

Remember that if you have to go a route similar to mine, for every correspondonce you write, always quote the pub and paragraph number for each point. This will help to keep then from saying, "thats just not true". It would also probalby help you by letting them know you've done your homework and are prepared to fight for the job. If your successful and get hired, you'll find there are alot of rules and publications, but a lot of personnel don't know what they are. And either the hiring personnel don't know what they are or they try to act dumb to see if you'll just go away quietly.

Where do I find this information at?



       
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So where in the world do I find this information at? Because for some reason, I think I am going to have some very, very serious problems. Do you have a site I can go to, or can you email me that information. Please. Thanks for the help by the way.