yep: http://www.tribe.net/thread/9503505f-983a-...826137ba3c8&r=10424

c'mon man... come to Tribe...

one of us. one of us. one of us! ONE OF US!!!

Anyone read that glassdog article ripping on BoingBoing for their "Nascarization" ?

Yes, I tried opine.

It's decentralized, which is nice. But it needs to have enough people using it.

I've only tried it once, on the beared (or non-bearded?) scientists post.

Tribe.net works for me, I've gotten quite involved over there.

It's problem is pretty much the same as opine -- if BoingBoing-pere does not promote it in general, it will have a quiet, lingering life. Not quite dead, but exactly alive. The Tribe.net discussion doesn't thrive, but it isn't dead, I think, mainly becuase of all of the other tribe.net traffic. But the opine-option does not have side-traffic, no way to stumble upon it, or save it, no reminders by seeing it in a list of some sort.

Has anyone tried the Opine plugin for firefox?

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the generic tribe is great!!!

the generic tribe will move into your house for free.

check out www.thegenerictribe.com we are coming out with our new cd and you guys can download are songs for free right now.

http://weblogtalk.phpbbhost.info/

Is the address of a threaded discussion system that BB orphans are welcome to use to discuss posts. It is a little more flexible than an isolated QT thread. I realize this is an empty exercise, but then again, what isn't?

/m123 Not that I know of... (that stuff is foul tasting) The pseudonym comes from back when I was at university... It was stolen from Xavier Zwack the Bavarian lawyer who was a member of the Bavarian Illuminati. I'm not aware of any connection between him and the Hungarian herbalists...

My real name is nothing so strange...

Z.

xrad: Never clicked the "confirm" dealie so I don't think I'm listed, although I once wrote a note to Eli and gained 26,000 friends. I just move around the site like Bruce Willis in Sixth Sense - dead and moody - and read some of the folks I'm familiar with. Probably familiar with more were I to know their previous noms de plume.

/m121 You want to talk to Eli; he's the one who's mirrored the QT archives at home so he could grep and grope in the green of his grass.

/m120 ZWACK: any relation to the Hungarian ZWACKs of Unicum fame?

/m121 no; "My Topics" is the fastest way for me to find this one back; and it shows all the recently updated threads. the Fake LV is an interesting one as it is >still alive< --not becuase of the spam, but fomr the weirdness that went before. Buyers complaining about sellers, sellers blaming the customs service, newbies asking where to find fakes, etc. It's evolved into something wholly other than original intention.

Plus, now it's got Message-Board Spam!

Cory does miss dialoguing, I would suspenct--but he probably doesn't miss nasty pictures of him being posted. Hopefully, BB.tribe won't degenerate that far. Although his (in)temper(erate) doesn't help very much.

Some of us have been discussing the guy who sent Cory off on the tangent off-list (and, yeah, this forum isn't private, but it's pretty darn close). Some think he's a fakester-troll just out to rile the masses (or at least Cory). Me, I dunno. Wait & see. He's posted elsewhere.

Hullo, all! good to see you again. Chico, who are you on tribe? Is it obvious and I'm dumb, or am I dumb but it's not obvious?

You just rummage around the archives, right?

Anyway, something so goofily ironic happened on that BB tribenet thingie. Cory, who already has a lovely and interesting forum for his opinions, comes on to the tribenet comment board - a comment board which only exists because he shut down this one - and kind of ragged on somebody who questioned the topic-choices over on the original BB. I mean, it's all good, but he closed the discussion group here and then drives over there to get into that discussion group. If he misses dialoguin' that much, and he's not alone, why not reopen the one here so he could save all that gas?

Unless, or course, it was cory or Kory or whomever.

I was surprised to discover that I was still subscribed to This http://www.quicktopic.com/22/H/EQ5kJVwLcxH/p43.35#QTmsg39
BoingBoing quicktopic the other day... It's not as active as this one, but it's still active. Anyone else still get old topics?

Z.

/118 yeah. although I found SARS-art to be interesting. this is just so "woo-naked-chicks! woo-woo-woo!"

/117 there's comment spam over at the Fake Louis Vitton bags, too. http://www.quicktopic.com/21/H/NtMT6KTC7xxJ8/p64.57

naked-sushi-lady is the new SARSart.

Edited by author 11-03-2003 02:39 PM
comment-spam has hit QT/BB.

Found it!

Transmetropolitan author Warren Ellis posts on his blog Die Puny Humans that boingboing isn't gone, they're changing hosts.

does anyone know what this is about? There seems to be some discussion of it on tribe.net (at least, it appears that way) but I'm not sure I'm curious enough to actually register at tribe.

When I go on a trip lately, something bad happens to BB. I went to Seattle in September and while I was there, discussions disappeared. I just got back from Chicago and BB is entirely gone. I suppose I should say I'm sorry.

Yup, I noticed that today... haven't been on BB since last week sometime and today... It's GONE!

Guess I'll start drifting elsewhere.

(Can we submit websites to jumptheshark.com?)

Z.

yawn. slow days. and BB itself is off to sunnier climes....

reposting/not reading the other editors' posts?

This *skin* art project thingy, I seem to remember it from not too long ago.

The lack of discussion forums doesn't appear to have decreased the sight traffic much:

http://extremetracking.com/open;reloads?login=axoplasm

The Louis Vitton SARS masks thread has been going crazy in the last week with flaming threads from sellers of LV rip-off bags vs. ripped-off customers who had their bags seized by customs.

Edited by author 10-15-2003 11:34 AM
Cory blogs Everything in Moderation.

which I "blog" here. (yes, this was a pointless exercise in recursion.)

Oh, and the Trolls are still cranky.

Thanks for that, Eli.

"the other" michael, thank you very much!

;-P

p.s. LOL ROFL OMG IBM ETC.

Chico (/m101) No need to post a picture to use tribe.net, but
if you don't want to, that's up to you.

Let me just say that I've been waiting to find you, Craniac
and Kirk Isreal there to add as 'friends'. I already found
xradiographer hidden there under his first name (Michael)
and ernie.

Does anyone know of a free comment system that doesn't allow obvious spoofing alal QT? I am setting up http://anhedonic.blogspot.com as a metablog of sorts and would like to incorporate comments.

Edited by author 10-12-2003 09:24 AM
Pausing the Warblog for Now has this charming message:
Messages 3323-3316 deleted by topic administrator 10-11-2003 11:04 AM (not accepting new messages)

So much for the family squabble. Which >was< still on-topic. why was it deleted? If the commenters themselves decided they were ashamed of their words, QT allows them to edit them down to nothing. It's a pity they're gone, because it was an interesting example of a long-thread becoming >else< while still maintaining its original purpose (nominally). RIP, Pausing, at 3308 messages.

And tribe.net is down today.

Took a walk around the bbtribenet, saw some familiar names, solid guys, but it creeps me out. The friendster vibe, the pictures. Guess I'm sensitive about my hump.

No way--it's a mixed metaphor. Xeni wasn't dating Macki, who was the troll-bait. Cory was in a coma. Beth was having an affair with David who still hadn't told her about his time in prison. Marc moved to Raratonga and got a fungal infection. Craniac seceded and created his own blog. FakeXeni got a nosejob. Next week on BoingBoingPalms.....

(errrrrr.... never mind. think I got side-tracked here [and mixed my verb tenses, too.]).

/m98 RIP Robert Palmer. Nice tie.

thanks for clarifying, explainathon! ^_~

The uber-blog that I am planning will be called either "uber-blog" or "powerstation" after the lame super band. Just thought I'd share that. Anyone know how to include three rss feeds on a page?

More like "Of course she got smacked in the face, she dated a known wife-beater"

In other words, becuase she wore a short skirt she was asking for it?

Yeah, Macki was obvious troll-bait, but that doesn't excuse the trolls. And his posts >were< interesting AND humorous. Not enough funny posts on BB. (I have to admit, his QT topic headings were a little bit too-over-the-top for me.)

I wish they'd chosen Jason Scott as a co-editor!

I have to admit I've been quite pleased with his performance- I suspect that's why he's stuck around so long.

(And I still don't understand Zany Garden's behavior. First she gripes about trolling, then chooses the very juvenile, very baity 'Macki' as a guest? Either that's a setup, or it's very, very stupid)

the LiveJournal Times: deep insights scraped from LiveJournal pages. (no discussion, though.)

Edited by author 10-09-2003 11:43 PM
/m89 BoingBoing.tribe growing like kudzu. "now" up to 162.....

"now" has become 10.09.03 and the kudzu is past 220...

Edited by author 10-07-2003 05:35 PM
I've thought about whipping up some perl or python to suck in rss/rdf feeds (or screen scrape for sites that lack them) to automagically build discussion pages for sites that don't have them, but have lacked the time. BoingBoing and Instapundit are the 2 biggest ones now on my list for such treatment if I ever get around to coding it up.

/m90 Hmmm... I'd have to say that the places I check on a daily basis are...

BoingBoing (out of habit, I suppose)
This Modern World (because Tom/Dan Tomorrow/Perkins is a good writer)
Vintage Mustang Forum (because I have one)

Only the top two are blogs and the bottom one is irrelevant unless you are interested in 1964 1/2 - 1979 Ford Mustangs. (personally I don't like much after 1966, but that's just me)

Z.

Aaaah. Sorry for my paranoia. I like the idea of picking 5-6 really great blogs and forming a single email list for discussion. And not to jump on the complainer bandwagon, but BB is definitely missing something lately.

Let's make a list of 5 good blogs and do this. My top five:

boing
kottke (out of habit, I suppose)
metafilter (already has discussion)

I can't think of two more that don't already have discussion links.

the BoingBoing.tribe sauntered on, 28 members strong for a month with no messages save "hey! we exist!"....until Xeni pointed it out today. Now the membership is 100+ and there is more than one thread (ie, more than "hey! we exist!").

So, looks like tribe will be the discussion zone???? Is this the (/m87) "smart man" ????

"This whole mess, the sabotaging of the discussion groups, the draconian response, and the erasure of what was a cool little community, just depresses me." - Craniac

Bro, you sounded down. Just offering a little positive intervention with my remarks. Advice I'd give someone whose woman dropped him without explanation, which is analogous on a certain level. By setting up this discussion group, you've provided sufficient outlet.

Edited by author 10-07-2003 08:53 AM
The discussions weren't sabotaged, those were real genuine discussions by people who had a real need to discuss goatsex, obcenities and Cory's character flaws whilst masquerading as someone else. :)

Seriously, the act of removing the discuss link has done far more damage to BB than the trollage ever could have. The trolls didn't cause this, the knee-jerk over reactions to the trolls did.

There still appears to be a wandering wilderness of lost BB dicussers looking for an outlet. I don't know what surprises me more: The fact that we haven't found a new place to go, or the fact that none of us had created a new place to go.

A smart man would put together a BoingBoing discussion and get Mark or Cory to post a link from the front page. The discussion would be about the BB posts in the same way as the old ones (usually) were, and would reap the same eyes, but would not be moderated by Cory, Mark and Zany.

Better yet would be a discussion forum that gathered from a cluster of blogs. The only reason I go back to BB anymore is to marvel at how dull it is (like a ghost town) and to click the blog links at the bottom of the page to find pastures new.

Chico Maas wrote: "Don't give this blog the satisfaction of your pain. Go out and find another blog and just fuck its lights out. And phonecam it."

I'm not clever enough to understand this.

Cory's response wasn't draconian, but it was unsettling, as were the things being posted. I am subscribed, but I can't say all the mean, clever things I want to under my real name.

hmmmm. replying on-line is weird. without even registering, the posts go under my "real name".

damn.

and, since when I go to QT, I'm "xradiographer", I can't even log-in to edit the message and remove that hotmail viral-spam at the bottom.....

Was it Eli who pointed out the hidden-in-plain-sight "Subscribe" feature last week? I subbed-up immediately. However, I do kinda miss the weird thrill from going to my blogging, paging down its pages to where I listed the various live forums & checking them out. Somebody else mentioned the "Get-Smart" quality to navigating the weird-way into these forums, ducking down the allery, using the "locked" door, crawling through the sewer, to end up... here....

I just noticed the email address for the forum:
qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com

gibberish-spam-land, our automated universe!

--the Other Michael

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From: QT - David Mercer <qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com>
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Subject: Generic BoingBoing discussion
Date: 6 Oct 2003 19:33:01 -0000


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Craniac: to 5 of us, this IS an email list. Just click the subscribe button in the upper left of the quicktopic page.

Hell I wouldn't want to dig down and find this discussion in all the guest-blog sidebar mess over and over again, that would truly suck!

But not enough to deter everyone, as there have been more than 5 of us posting here since the link got pushed down the page more and more. Which should tell us something about how dearly the BB discussions were held, since there are folks willing to put in that effort to get back here.

Well, after seeing some of those funky-animations, I'm not surprised they suspended commenting. I wouldn't call it "draconian," though, as pre-exisiting Topics are still "live," and becuase Jason Scott can set up new Topics. (which seem to be marginaly on-topic!).

81 messages. 3074 to go.....

Don't give this blog the satisfaction of your pain. Go out and find another blog and just fuck its lights out. And phonecam it.

This whole mess, the sabotaging of the discussion groups, the draconian response, and the erasure of what was a cool little community, just depresses me. Everyone jokes about addiction, but I really feel like something good, if not essential, is gone now and won’t come back even if BB gets around to starting another discussion system. An email list would probably work better than this clunky thread.

Good day. I said, Good day sir.

I find myself going back to BB to see if discussions have
been re-installed, and glancing briefly at the links.

>>> QT - thad <qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com>
10/03/03 04:18PM >>>
< replied-to message removed by QT >

Craniac, for OS X DVD stuff try

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030403161152660

or just search macosxhints for "DVD longer playback".

On Boing Boing: I think it's natural to get tired of a particular blog's idiosyncracies eventually and move on to something else for variety. I think what would be ideal for me would be something with less emphasis on P2P/WiFi/RIAA/blogging and more on ideas and science. My favorite poster is David Pescovitz. Low traffic blogs are fine. I agree with others who have said that the discussions used to set Boing Boing apart, as there were usually a few insightful comments and a high signal-to-noise ratio.

Social Flunky pointed out that there is a new BoingBoing tribe.


Also, per /m75, I called it "roulette" because I think I suggested 15-20 sites before ever getting one accepted. And I know that I hardly ever click on the "thanks to xxxx" links. BUT, sometiems, I do.....

Looks like Pausing the Warblog for Now hasn't been posted-to since 9/22, leaving it at a whopping 3315 messages.

So are we gonna get that far?????

To increase your chances of being linked on BB, you must be a naked genius who writes brilliant things. I tried to do an auto-summarize of today's page but Word choked on it.

DM, p & EtB: thanks for the donuts.

Craniac: that is just an RSS feed. I'm sure there are many
more.

Chico: to find any topic qucikly, log in to quicktopic and use
the MyTopics link:

http://www.quicktopic.com/mytopics

Someone is cloning BB:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/boingboing_net/

If only they had discussion. I think embedded commercials have to be the first to go. Nothing will drive me to dvd piracy faster than that.

Any good OSX dvd ripping tools? (that are free?)

Good image, Chico! I list it under my favorites and just go to it immediately. Alas, very little of real substance it being said. But that could change.

I liked the 'techs that deserve to die' Sterling article, but I could think of about a million that deserve to die before embedded comercials--like the internal combustion engine.

chico, that's why you subscribe and get it via email, like I (and 2 others) did :-)

Sadly, we live in a world where spies can never again hide knives, transmitters, or other neato gear in their shoes. Damn you shoebomber!

Cory's a writer. How many writers do you know that *don't* lean toward self-promotion and a degree of narcissism? I'm sure there are a handful, but it's a small group.

Getting to this discussion forum is like walking the opening credits of Get Smart. However, I have to admit I'm getting to like the post-nuclear holocaust feeling of being in contact with ragtag survivors. Trouble is, by the time I get here, I can't remember any of the BB posts about which I wanted to comment.

Oh, yeah. Nice clock.

I guess some people's attitude is that they care so little for self-promotion and self-glorification that they pick nicely anonymous and innocuous screen names so as to minimize attention.


then there are those glory-hounds that have the galling audacity to USE THEIR OWN NAMES and to POST TO THEIR OWN BLOGS.

the impudence!

When you read BB and it's related posts and gnashings for a while, as with any journal, you begin to build up a profile of the writer(s). I do it as part of my job, and, based on a cursory profile of Cory, one can see that he is most certainly reading these posts and the multi-threaded discussions that went on after the removal of the discussion links.

His self-promotion, constant public preening and boasts of public appreciation (the recent posting from a gay blogger who lavished praise on every man he has photographed at a convention) shows that Cory cares strongly about what people are writing about him, and his over reaction to trolls only reinforces that point.

I'll bet he even googles his own name to see who says what.

The interesting question, is how would you know if Cory were
reading this? And are you talking the original bio-Cory, or
one of the caffeinated clones?

And nobody has taken me up on the offer of starting a group
blog that shamelessly steals from BoingBoing and other
blogs, filtering our sars posts, clock posts, etc. So it's
safe to assume that the complaints serve no real purpose
other than ...

CURSE the DARKNESS! And get those CANDLES outta here!

>>> QT - The Great Fuckpediea
<qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com> 09/30/03 10:04AM >>>
< replied-to message removed by QT >

I'll bet money that he does.

Chances are that Cory doesn't read this thread.

>>> QT - Wajerfeckinrolters
<qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com> 09/30/03 01:04 AM >>>
< replied-to message removed by QT >

Another clock post. What a dolt, change the record fat boy.

I like the recent posts. Cory's life is more interesting
than mine. Ultimately, I guess they don't need our love.

Who wants to get in on the ultra-secret stealth
alterna-boing project? Then all of us whiners could see if
we could create something better or not. Maybe call it:
gnioBgnioB.blogspot.com

Get 10 people signed up, and then steal the best links from
20 good sites or our own browsing.
While we're all complaining about the golden age of blogs,
I have to say that memepool used to be great, and now it
just puts me to sleep.

>>> QT - The Great Fuckpediea
<qtopic+23-8GYXFWRuKDf@quicktopic.com> 09/29/03 11:19AM >>>
< replied-to message removed by QT >

Doods, BoingBoing utterly sucks at the moment. Are they TRYING to drive away visits or what? No discussions (this one, I found after much struggle) boring crap that is meaningless, shallow and pointless and no editorial at all in the posts. Give it up, you have lost the plot entirely.

I see that nothing's changed in their world -- Cory is still me me me showboating, his own greatest self publicist. The man's entire exitence is ego masturbation; Xeni is still obsessed with what makes her look popular and fashionable (she don't and uh, she don't); David is still a non-entity, too busy with his day job (whatever the heck that is, still, at least he has one, eh Cory?) and Mark is in exile, I see.

Once they were kooks, but they were interesting kooks. Now it's just a bunch of old men and their dog.

I can't wait to get to school and look at that Fanimatrix clip. It's all very "Garage Kubrick".

Craniac, I just got a copy of QUICKSILVER to review. It's quite the doorstop. Without looking I'd guess it's more than seven hundred pages. But it looks intriguing as hell.

Chico, I LOVE the Masonic watch.

But are they going to fix the host's bad attitude and sucky behavior?

Well discussion links are coming back from what I understand, but it will NOT be QT (unless they fix some crack ass features). I think the biggest show stopper was the identity spoofing. Also, allowing anonymous postings was a big deal to Cory so it will be interesting to see how they balance that with keeping some sort of check on blatant vandalism.

"But one person's vandalism is another person's free speech blah blah blah"

So know one thing for sure: whatever the hell we end up with, it'll piss off some of the people all of the time...

Nice to see they still aren't reading the blog themselves. How many times have they posted then re-posted the same story more than once?

You *KNOW* we could do better at this.

I just want to squeeze this in amidst the blur of activity: that Masonic watch kicks ass. Hope it comes to Canal St.

Quicksilver is out!

I may have to actually buy this book.

xradio, the whole "love it or leave it" whine annoys me. We all realize that it's their "house", and that they get to do what they want to with it. Well, actually they started a hobby/publicity site and invited the rest of us to participate because they needed feedback and it's cool to be the hefe of a little cultlike thing.

Then some of the feedback, which was just words, got to be too much to handle with words (even though words are the tools of their professions) and the only thing they could think of to do was to wreck their house/hobby. So some of us are saying, it ain't hardly worth the space on the bookmark bar anymore, and that it turns out we're not on the same side after all.

So what's your problem with saying that? And if you find speech from sources other than the hefes annoying, what are you thanking Craniac for?

I feel sorry for Evil Ted. Imagine how he must be feeling...

Edited by author 09-23-2003 09:00 AM
/m48 if Mark had gotten tired of Cory and Xeni he could have just kicked them out. Oddly enough, the discussion forums were closed, instead. who, then, is he tired of?

/m44 chico, very good points. And again, thanks, Craniac!

I kind of view it as if Mark invited Cory and xeni into his living room for a chat, then they moved into his house and never left, Mark got sick and tired of them, so he moved away.

They actively invited people to come into their house and make it a salon where ideas could be discussed and those people made their house more interesting than others in the neighborhood until a rash of break-ins caused them to put up barred windows and a razor wire fence to keep everyone out - THAT is over-extending the metaphor. Yours was fine.

/m43 sarcasm. The whole "xxx was so much more fun before blah blah blah" whine annoys me. "the Beatles were so cool before Ringo" "the Beatles were so cool before Paul died" or "the Beatles were so cool before Yoko Ono" or "BoingBoing was so cool when it was printed on paper"& all that crap. Some people grow and change and just because you liked what they did 2, 3, 5, 30 years ago and don't like it now doesn't mean they should keep shovelin' the same shit after all these years. When you visit BoingBoing, Mark, Cory, David & Xeni have invited you into their living rooms. You can make comments and suggestions within reason. When they tell you to fuck off--well, you're in >THEIR< living room, so kindlly fuck off now and stop bitching that your host has been driven to swear at you. It IS his (their) house, after all.



this metaphor is over-extended, isn't it.

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

BB was interesting before discussion links but a helluva lot more involving after. The comments and commentary of a core of funny and intelligent people (uh, you know who you are) gave the site a dimension it no longer has without them. In fact, the conversations about a post or topic became a fundamental reason to follow the site. Unfortunately, Cory's fuck-off response to Evil Ted, deserved or not, proved one thing for sure: it's not his blog in the figurative sense, since the flamewar it ignited forced a change in BB which otherwise would not have been initiated. Once, Cory and Mark could deal with adversity civilly, encouraging by example a minimum decorum to the forum™. With the a-holes that have cropped up lately, I can see how that's no longer possible. Too bad. De-evolving BB to pre-QT times may solve the problem, but it's not the answer. Were I smart enough, I'd have one. Thanks, Craniac.

Edited by author 09-22-2003 10:41 AM
/m42 - heh - xradiographer now you're getting off-off-topic!

Here's where to chat about 'When I think about computer history'

/m40 yeah, and the whole internet was a lot more fun before you www/Mosaic/etc users messed it all up with "pretty" graphics and "streaming" mp3s and all that crap!

reckon the boingers have learned anything from this? Cory? Xeni? Tell us, what do you make of all that we've said?

BB was a lot more fun way back when it was solely Mark's and Carla's dead-tree zine and nobody else had anything to do with it. Hell, BB was a lot more fun when it was Mark's personal blog, before the WIRED Mafia came along. I can't understand how BB gradually changed from the alterna-zine for people who couldn't stand the pretentiousness of Mondo 2000, into the collected logorrhea of pretentious WIRED burnouts.

I emailed Xeni and she told me that they are looking for an alternative discussion forum. Non-spoofable seems like a good idea.

At 06:50 PM 9/21/03 +0000, you wrote:
< replied-to message removed by QT >

Look for the star next to the names of actual, registered posters. Everything else is a troll.

I liked the Haunted Mansion trailer, but thought it was cute and funny that the beautiful girl in the portrait (can't remember her name) is transformed. I assume that was to get Eddie Murphy in the picture.

The Atkins Diet is a fad diet and is ever bit as dangerous as they say. Cory's full of shit.

/m1 :: Craniac, great idea :-)

I'm going nuts without "Discuss" links.... to think I missed out on qt'ing talk like a pirate day ( and the obligatory bb phonecam-like-a-pirate link :-P ).

When all is said and done, boingboing remains one of the best blogs out there- playful and creative.

Hey if pplz are missing boingboing discuss links i just found this the other day - a boingboing livejournal feed with discuss links - you have to be a registered lj user to post, but.

to the boing boing blog!

I'm firmly in the "it's private property" camp, but so far as the site is concerned in a legal sense, boingboing.net is registered to 'boing boing' in studio city, with mark's well.com email as the sole contact. So ultimately it's really whatever he says it is.

I personally have no problem with the shameless self-promotion, where the hell else is one going to do it besides their blog? (at least that shamelessly)

And I'm totally down with "if you don't like post or topic X, don't read it"; I never did anything but scroll by the sars art, but the 'last burning man post ever, promise' bit by xeni was just too much. No we're not all 'xeni', some of us have more integrity than that.

we're all a bunch of fakes, so nothing matters and what if it did.


basic fact of the matter is, BoingBoing >belongs< to Mark, Cory, David, Xeni--and who(m)ever else they want to invite to guestblog (guest-guest-bloggers I have no clue about). They invite us into their living-room to oggle their obsessions and enthuse and expand upon them if we see fit. But that doesn't mean we gain any ownership of the livingroom (D&OITMK aside), and if we pee on the carpet, don't be surprised to be escorted to the front door by the "party nazis."

we are all "xeni"

That one might have some compilations at 130 galaxies from the solar system, and they might've came over here identifying some treasons committed against them by Clintons and friends ruling twelve galaxies guiltied of not paying myself as a movie star from the richest family during Clinton's administrations. So I might have a chance to have an impeachment, 2003, in February behind closed doors in Washington, to senators and house of representatives. And also, July the 26th of this year I was on the San Francisco Bay Guardian, and a photograph of my protest of an Ultratronic society. And on the San Francisco Chronicle, October 16th last year, there was a photograph of myself and my protest, on behalf of a Technitronic society. And on the SF Business Times, the last week of last year, my protest photograph of a Zegnatronic society, against Clintons and twelve galaxies. So, I was trying to get some verifications of some cameramen that I was videotaped by also. It might have been from channel 7, 5, and 54. And I was videotape.

It's strange. I feel oppositely.

I'm a strong Cory supporter- I guess because I've felt that the core boingboing audience had a bit of a tech/geek slant, and Cory's favorite topics WiFi & Disney are, respectively, as tech and geek as they come. At least his stuff has feeling.

Xeni's posts, on the other hand- zheesh. I was unimpressed with her guestblogging, and my opinion hasn't changed. I have severe questions about the taste of anybody who was so impressed with the f*cked Gisele iron-on t-shirts... and my questioning of her taste was answered with the interminable SARS-'art' posts. Also, it was amusing to see her totally 180 on the flashmobs issue. And if Cory namedrops, it's much less obtrusive than Xeni's. Yeah yeah yeah, reverse cowgirl already! And the sophmore-cheerleader fakey-fake 'My BEST friend ______' gets old, too.

I don't know- I just get so turned off by fakey scenesters. Cory may rant, but he's ranting and posting about things he actually DIGS. Xeni seems so shallow and fashion-y, and so OUT OF IT despite her pathological need to be hip.

Well regardless, Cory certainly can't take even constructive criticism well, and after the 'last burning man post ever' bullshit, xeni has the credibility of Baghdad Bob.

I for one often enjoyed tangents in the quicktopics much more than the linked item (unless it was political, then it always got too nasty and partisan).

But it is their space to do with what they wish. If they ever wanna shell out for a full blown server, I'd be happy to setup the slashcode for them, then at least they could have comments where moderation could take place seamlessly (one can of course customize the reasons for adding or subtracting mod points aside from the defaults that you see over on slashdot).

But that would mean accepting help from a 'warmonger' such as myself, and might compromise their ideological purity.

The real xradographer would never post such a lame thread. Fess up, Nazi, that was you.

My two cents? BB sucks at the moment, and they're generating the trolls themselves to make it feel more active. Let's be honest, ernie was the only one posting on most threads anyway.

Oh wow, the timecube weirdo has posted to this thread, it's now not just a meta-discussion, it's gone TRANSDIMENSIONAL!!!!

yo yo yo--this is not "your" "our" or even "my" playground. BoingBoing is the living-room of Mark, Cory, David and Xeni (whichever way they should be capitalized). Their space, they dowhattheylike. Even if "we" post 1-gazillion off-topic message on QT (sorry, Jason), that still doesn't give us squatter's rights. BB is not a commons.


(this is not nesc. repsonding to anything on this thread, as much as crap that keeps getting posted over on Jason's BBS thread.

All knowledge of the human
word animal, is insignificant,
when his fictitious word world
is compared to Nature's own
Dynamic & Harmonic Time
Cube's  Creation  Principle.
*******************************************************
God created only a single
24 hour day rotation of
Earth, while I have created
4 simultaneous 24 hour days
within a single rotation of
Earth - therefore, I am
wiser than the word god,
and all word worshipers.
All words are fictitious.
I will wager $10,000.00 that
Cubic Creation is almighty.
**********************************************
Humans exist only as opposites - with a
zero value, for if unified, male and female
would counter each other & cease to exist.
****************************************
Evil educators suppress
student free speech right
to debate Cubic Creation.
Evil students don't object.
**********************************************
Hey stupid - are you too
dumb to know there are
4 different simultaneous
24 hour days within a
single rotation of Earth?
Greenwich 1 day is a lie.
4 quadrants = 4 corners,
and 4 different directions.
Each Earth corner rotates
own separate 24 hour day.
Infinite days is stupidity.
Most math is erroneous.
You are educated stupid.
***********************************
I demonstrate absolute unrefutable
proof that evil educators suppress
student free speech rights, to discuss
and debate Nature's Harmonic Time
Cube - and neither the dumb stupid
students nor the evil ass teachers act
to correct the great evil of humanity.
It is not immoral to rid Earth of the
cubeless evil word deceit educators.
Wisdom=Cubic testing of knowledge.
Demand right to debate Time Cube,
or you are unworthy of life on Earth.
I can't believe that stupid ass students
allow suppression of the Time Cube.
************************************
Evil educators refuse to recognize
the wisest of humans to ever exist.
My magnificent creation of 4
simultaneous 24 hour days within
a single rotation of Earth, debunks
the puny 1-day rotation of a fake
word god and stupid educators.
Nature has no choice but to bring
forth a hell upon evil cubelessness.
Know it to be of your own making.
******************************************
If I tell a human that his 4-corner
head (nose, 2 ears and back corner)
has only a 1-corner face, the dumb-
ass will say to me - "prove it". He
knows not that his face is a corner.
*************************************
Google has over 1,000,000
links to Time Cube site.

I personally find all of these posts ammusing. With the various dopplegangers floating around posting under others names, stirring up trouble, then enjoying the general chaos. This was bound to happen sometime or another. Cory, you are obviously asking for it with your school-girl attitude and emotional control. Xeni, who the fuck do you think you are kidding? Your posts are random, the majority are uninteresting, and you have made a career out of ridding on other people's dicks.

Has anyone noticed funny it is that these posters make fun of Cory and Xeni for taking down posts and pointing out how facist an action this is, and they continue to do it. For a site that likes to post about liberal subjects like WIFI, the future of American citizen's civil liberties and right to privacy, RIAA's pathetic lawsuits, and articles about various people's self-expression they sure don't show it in action. They sure like to talk big, but when it comes to boingboing they are worse than most right-wingers.

if youre zapping, do /m21. this one too even. thank god.

So the question is whether this is a technical problem (the easily spoofable logins) or a social one.

Rands (of Jerkcity) brings up some good points.

Edited by author 09-19-2003 05:15 AM
I don't see you publishing any books JohnJon. Why don't you make your own topic and go flame yourself there. Cory may be a shitty writer and a bigger fag, but at least he makes attempts.

Edited by author 09-18-2003 10:24 PM
Xeni Jardin's QT id is all lowercase letters with a star.
"Xeni", with capital "X" is the SpoofNazi

"I have asked Cory to make some kind of public statement about what has been going, but he refuses. He seems to think taking down the discussion areas and censoring what few do come up, is enough to drive the trolls off. It might, but at what cost? If we drive them off, who else will we lose? I think we should all demand a public disscusion on what direction the site should take. Does a site like boingboing, which revolves around the open information sharing of many, need one person to have so much control and influence? I would bet there are plenty of people that would help maintain and run the site, which would take away any argument Cory could start that he is too important to remove. I think all of of could live without all the Disney posts and name dropping too."

Fake Xeni/ SpoofNazi,
Do you really expect them to take the abuse you hurl 10 times per day? This fake name shit is cute, and we all impressed with your brave photoshoppery but the fact is you fucked this up for the rest of us. Now you apparently miss it too?! Idiot.

These discussions are sad.

I missed the flamewar, and feel so left out. BB didn't seem to have much problem most of the time compared to other places. It's too bad some of the posters here try to blame the problem on Cory's posts. It is his (among others) board, after all. OTOH, it's disappointing that the only way professional writers can deal with offending words is to take their bat and go home. They get to do what they want, but I still think they owed it to people who considered BB a "community" to let them know what's going on.

And now we have Xeni's little apparent war to consider. Coups and countercoups among the generales? Damn, the Net is fun and fast: from Masterpiece Theatuh to Jerry Springer in one quick baby step. Coevolution?

i am abusing this thread and i am worried about getting deleted. i'm trying to provide amnesty for harmless messages that people want posted. truth be told: nobody has actually sent me any real messages, so i've had to lie to make it look that way. it's quite a racket, very corrupt. it's created a moral dilemma for myself and i've basically had to kill my soul/conscience in order to accomplish nothing.

i like boingboing and their Discuss link technology. it has allowed me to speak to the world and show off me. in my culture (i am a very common-looking brown-haired boy), we often don't get to fraternize this casually. i don't have any fun bros. to play with. but i can't say that i've posted or read anything in the bords that has turned me over like b__b__'s primary flow of paragraphs does.

Edited by author 09-18-2003 05:48 PM
Isn't boingboing just a blog like all the other blogs? Doesn't that mean the authors can post whateverthehelltheywant? If you don't like it, read a different blog.

I WANT THE DISCUSS LINKS BACK!

Yes, I think the content of boingboing has gone down a little bit in recent weeks, but there are a still a few gems posted every now and then that I wouldn't have found anywhere else.

You have to keep in mind being an editor for boingboing is not these folk's fulltime job (at least I hope not).. boingboing may be fun but it doesn't pay the bills. I think the editors are mostly involved to get their name out on the streets, so it's bound to contain a little shameless self-promotion every now and then.

http://robertwrose.com

(snicker)

Edited by author 09-18-2003 05:42 PM
I think it's odd that everyone's solution to BB/QT being abused is for Cory to not post so much. Or for him to post cooler stuff and less lame stuff. Maybe they can set up a form for things we think are interesting and they can make sure whatever they post is at least 6.9 on the Vox Populi Coolometer! Wait, just let the public post stuff too! Let's call it Fark2!

And the nazi stuff is rich - we get it already, they are nazis because they won't take heaps of constant, honest-to-goodness evil bile spews 10 times per day with obscene picture mashups to drive the point even further.

So what's the solution? Slashdot forums? Lot's of idiots there too. What about an arms race of registration, ip banning, ip spoofing etc.. BB isnt some full time job they get a check for, who wants to work all day and then come home and police a discussion board that worked so well for all this time.

So Nazi-Troll, what do you win? All that has happened is that there is now NO public discussion on BB. The blog will contine the way it has, possibly infuriating you even more, only now the community is locked out. Just think - you could have shut up and piped in on your pet peeves now and again, impressing us all with your brave potshots, but now no one gets to play. Thanks dude!

There are trolls on all the major discussion groups, and BB has it's fair share. The most noticable difference between the other sites and BB is Cory himself.

Cory feels that because he unselfishly posts all of the things he likes on his site every day, readers should not question him, he has ultimate editorial over what's written.

He once questioned "the temerity" of those who dare question the subjects he posted. How dare they.

The SARS art debacle attracted a huge amount of critisism, as did many of Xeni's writings and subject choices. Cory's reaction to all the critics was to brand them as trolls. He regulary swore at critics. When swearing broke out in the discussions, Cory often started it.

Cory's bad behavior certainly baits trolls. A bored loser who posts random crassness will soon leave a site if ignored. Cory's juvenile responses of "suck my balls, fuck off and read someone else's blog, assholes" started a huge trollwar that lasted until he pulled the plug on the discussions.

It's a shame. His intolerance of critics is bad enough, it smacks of petulant control freak.

For a writer to resort to bad language and angry public raging shows a lot about his character, and truly belittles the man.

My opinion of Boing Boing is that it recently has gone downhill...

Cory used to post interesting stuff, but recently it has been all either Self promotion (Thanks, but I can't get to any of the events you're talking about) or Disney (Thanks, but I hate any corporation that kills kids pet Lemmings)...

Xeni generally posts stuff I'm not interested in, with the exception of occasional posts. But recently there have been way too many "I took photos of X" or "I'm going to/I went to Burning Man" for me. If I want to hear about Burning Man second hand I'll ask my stepson who went this year.

Mark usually posted some interesting stuff. I wish he'd get better connectivity on his Desert Island, and do some more posting.

David rarely posts but usually posts something interesting.

So if they are reading this, Cory, remember that we aren't ALL Disney fans and self promotion gets wearing very quickly when there is too much of it. Xeni, how about trying to post less frequently, and grouping some of the similar posts together into one topic (like Slashdot quickies), Mark and David, keep up the good work.

Z.

It was a lot more fun when Mark was around more.

Well, I think I agree with whichever "Xeni" this one was. Except I would suggest the holding-pens be placed up in Canada, nearer Cory, the Mounties, and copious amounts of snow. Pesco will have some sort of nano-bot to implant in all transgressors, and Mark can do some wacky gleeful "user" manuals to explain the process.

Since the blog belongs to Mark, David, Cory and Xeni, I think they can do any damn thing they want.

Sure, Xeni dragged out Burning Man, but at least she has odd and interesting taste. Cory is *so* dragging all of BoingBoing down. His self-promotional thing is *way* out of control, and otherwise it's just Wi-Fi, Disney, or his various personal health concerns (overweight, etc.). Yes, Cory, you are on some random conference. Yes, Cory, you lost your glasses at a conference and has anyone seen them. Yes, Cory, there's a website where they're talking about you and your book. Yes, Cory, Disney bla bla bla. 70% less Cory would be OK, that is, as long as Mark was back...

Edited by author 09-18-2003 02:40 PM
There's still an "old" active discussion still open. The meta-meta-discuss topic that got nasty..... guess it was buried so deep people forgot about it....

I've been tracking the downs and further downs of BB discussion.


I miss the discussion. They would usually further a topic in odd ways, unusual reminiscences, side-tracks. But the constant whining about what people didn't like, and the flaming into profanity--profuse, personal profanity really got me down.

Macki really seemed to ignite it. Not that I'm blaming Macki--he was just the catalyst (if he was at all). I found his posts amusing and interesting. In the interests of full disclosure, I must point out that I attempted to pay him $0.36 to plug one of my sites; he turned down the money but plugged it in the NSFW post, anyway.

I agree with DaveW, the discussions were what made the site interesting for me. Some great links, sure, but it's also neat to see what other folks think of them or add to them.

Oh, and Craniac, thanks for one of those simple and brilliant ideas. Certainly gave me one of those "doh" moments when I saw it.

I didn't use the discussions all that much, but without them BoingBoing suddenly seems much blander and less compelling. Like somebody forgot to put the salt in the bread.

And then there's the sense of betrayal. True, we weren't paying for the service, so some would say we have no right to complain. OTOH, the thing was presented as a "community", which is, among other things, a place where drastic decisions are not made arbitrarily and without notice or explanation. Gosh, Virginia, we weren't on the same side after all.

My spidersense is tingling, suggesting that some real estate may be opening up soon on my bookmark bar.

Thanks Craniac,

I think that it's a GOOD idea myself. Feel free to delete any posts that I make, but I miss the discussions on Boing Boing.

Now it's just a list of Xeni's latest photo albums and Cory's Disney fascination. I'm not sure that it's worth hanging around for much longer... :-(

I liked the print magazine (I bought a lot of them considering I was living in the UK) and loved the website when I first found it.

But the discussions on the website are what set it apart. Just having a list of "cool things I like" mostly posted by Xeni is not nearly as good.

At the very least it would have been nice if they'd told us "people are abusing the discussions, we're scrapping them." Then at least I wouldn't still be wondering if it wwas something that I missed somehow.

Z.

Hi. This is probably a bad idea, but maybe BB readers can post responses to current links here, until the Final Solution is in place.