LouM  05-30-2013
08:24 PM ET (US)
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Z4good, you read it the way I do.
Veteran35H52, good for you.
Bluestar rated, I think it's a lack of knowledgeable people within the system. HQ has made no changes.
We recently got in a new manager from FL. This manager also can read and interprets the ELM as written LoL. She contacted Shared Services as I did and got the same run around. She is prior service, and will be due a service award in a year or so .... So I'm sure things will get straightened out, at least for a while. I have 20 + 18 and have known many that have since retired from the PO without recognition. As I told my manager " it doesn't mean squat if the individual has to bring it up, there is a program in place and it needs to be run correctly".
Maybe we can get this fixed nationally!
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Veteran35H52 05-27-2013
08:24 PM ET (US)
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/m1247 I have received all of the service awards up to 40 years (25, 30, 35, 40). I am retired Army with 20 years military (not bought back) plus 21 years postal service. However, I had to keep reminding my manager to submit my name to the district manager's office. I just got the 35 year and 40 year pins with certificates this past January. It depends on your district policy on how the awards are handled. Good luck!
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Z4good 05-27-2013
04:53 PM ET (US)
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/m1247 I understand exactly what you are saying. But this is simply a service award pin, and it says; Note: To determine an individual’s eligibility for the Service Award Pin, federal civilian and military service that is not creditable for retirement purposes must be added to service indicated by the retirement computation date. Sounds simple enough to me. Edited 05-27-2013 04:53 PM
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Bluestar rated 05-27-2013
04:45 PM ET (US)
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/m1247: Looks like the USPS is strictly using the RCD to determine longevity milestones. I have 30 postal and 4 USAF (bought back) and my RCD is 1979. If you are receiving military retired pay your USPS RCD will be your start date with the agency and unless you waive your military retirement you can't combine or buyback that active duty time with the agency time served which would then be reflected in your agency RCD and thus be noted at each milestone i.e. 30,40 and 50 years.
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Z4good 05-27-2013
04:28 PM ET (US)
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I think your 100% correct Lou. Unless headquarters changed the wording or intent, I read it the same way you do. I've retired with 22 years military, and currently 16 years USPS. Have yet to receive a pin or certificate for combined service. But they give them out to everyone else. I've also asked around and no one seems to know why? Maybe another cost saving measure. :-)
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Opie 05-27-2013
03:03 PM ET (US)
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Do I understand you correctly Lou, you are talking about a "pin" and "certificate"? Not money, right?
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LouM 05-27-2013
10:14 AM ET (US)
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Is anyone out there with civilian or military service that has not been bought back receiving service awards for 25,30,35,40,45,50 years of government service? In accordance with the current ELM 35 (Apr 2013) section 493 and specifically 493.22 and 493.24 is quite clear. ALL civilian and military service is considered creditable. Civilian or military service that is not creditable for retirement purposes MUST be added to retirement computation date.
Example: If an employee is retired military with 20 yrs and hasn't bought it back for Postal retirement purposes and currently has 20 yrs postal service the 20 military service yrs MUST be added to the postal retirement computation date for a total of 40 yrs government service and should qualify for a service award.
No one I have talked to is taking responsibility for ADDING this service time to the RCD. I work in a plant, the District Mgr is responsible, they get a list each qtr of eligible people. This list does not include military service, unless it has been bought back. District Mgr says I have to contact Shared Services. Shared Services say I need to talk to my local HR, they say HQ made a change and only time bought back counts. Which is BS, they keep giving me references to retirement - they don't get this has nothing to do with actual retirement. The morons want to think it adds to retirement eligibility. It's only TOTAL government service, a pin and piece of paper + $1.00 will get a cup of coffee. It has now become a matter of principle, if they have an award program they need to administer it correctly! The ELM has been updated 3 times since Dec 2012 and section 493 has not changed. Is it just my plant / district?
http://about.usps.com/manuals/elm/html/elmc4_045.htm#ep1048505
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DAWG 03-11-2013
11:58 AM ET (US)
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Wouldn't it be a nice feeling to get something abolished by Congress?
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/end-daylight-savings/WlTW6q9p
Please... Pass it on... TY!
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Opie 12-26-2012
09:20 PM ET (US)
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When the dust settles my guess is the only thing deducted will be taxes and any attorney fees he may have incurred. This is not OWCP case. This is one where a military guy pulled one over the USPS. If you admire this type thing then he's a winner. If not well ....
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csrs2 12-26-2012
05:56 PM ET (US)
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Re: /m1243
Hi ! Yes, the_mechanic,you are correct.
Any interim earnings during the time {from start to finish} of the Sgt.Major's case would be deducted from his total
settlement amount. However, he is entitled to have all his sick and annual leave that he "would have earned", restored
to his credit,....and he would also be entitled to recoup payment for any missed O T hours during that
time frame { that he would have worked}, if he was customarily on the OTDL.
All together, I believe he came out ok. Money aside, that's a lot of SL and AL.
It is my hope that he feels a sense of relief ,liberation, justice, and peace in his victory.
God bless him and anyone else that may be in the process of , or who may have had to deal with such a situation.
Peace to you, and everyone in the the New Year!
Sincerely,
csrs2
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the_mechanic 12-22-2012
03:21 PM ET (US)
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The Sgt Major may have won but he may have the pay he was due from the USPS offset by his earnings while employed elsewhere; in that case all his military earnings including housing allowances and separate rations would be deducted from his "winnings"
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Opie 12-22-2012
12:05 AM ET (US)
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Sergeant Major huh? Would appear to me this is someone who is (and was) career minded military. Nothing wrong with that, God bless him but something in all this just don't seem right to me. My guess, that's right GUESS, is he done gone and bamboozled the system which by the time the Merit Board gets involved the Complainant has the advantage. And this guy hits jackpot. Good ole American way----did not work but gets paid anyway. Congratulations!
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csrs2 12-19-2012
03:20 PM ET (US)
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Re: article /m1240 Bluestar rated, awesome article! Thanks for the link!
Congratulations,Sergent Major, hard fought, and won! Thank you for your service to the U.S.A.
Sincerely,
csrs2
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Bluestar rated 12-19-2012
07:51 AM ET (US)
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/18...d-pay-him-2-million
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csrs2 11-12-2012
07:19 AM ET (US)
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Dear Postal Family,
God bless all veterans past and present, deceased and living, in all of your families , for defending this country and protecting our freedom.
Bless also, all of your family members for carrying on here at home , while you were defending these United States and all of us.
Peace,
csrs2
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82% Retired 11-11-2012
11:09 PM ET (US)
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Many thanks to all the veterans out there.
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