My mothers Family name was Atkins.The Atkins family lived in Somerset Road, Tottenham N17. My mother's youngest brother Edward Married Lilian Bysouth in 1936 or 1937. Initially they lived in Dowsett Rd. which is between Bruce Grove and White Hart Lane. Edward then started a grocery business in Wathamstow. Lilian's Father was a builder who during the 1930's built many houses in the Cat Hill area which I believe is part of Barnet. Lilian had a sister names Lena and a brother Gordon. During the Blitz Edward was drafted into the RAF and Lilian and the children were evacuated to Royston where they lived with Lilian's Aunt Rose.Strangely enough my wife has some connection to an Edith Greta Bysouth who was probably born in the 1930'and was probably living in North London in the 1950's. My wife would like to know if she is alive and well. My email No.is, sir.judd@virgin.net

My mothers Family name was Atkins. The Atkins family lived in Somerset Rd. Tottenham N17.My mothers younger brother Edward married Lilian Bysouth in 1936 or 1937.Initially they lived in Dowsett Rd. which is between Bruce Grove and White Hart Lane., Edward then started a grocery business in Walthamstow. Lilians father was a builder who during the 1930's built many houses in the Cat Hill area which I believe is part of Barnet. Lilian had a sister, Lena and a brother named Gordon. During the Blitz Edward was drafted into the RAF and Lilian and the children were evacuated to Royston where they lived with Lilian's Aunt Rose. Strangley enough my wife has some connection with an Edith Greta Bysouth (Maiden name)who was probably born in the 1930's and was probably livibg in the North London area in the 1950's.My wife would like to know if she is alive and well.

Hi Peter

This Bysouth line is new to me (I may have Rose but would need more information to confirm) - to help find the line if you have details (if possible) of Lilian's parents - do you have a marriage cert handy for name of her father? I assume that Lilian would have have been born c1910-1915 to have married in 1936/37 and her birth may be this one from BMD

Births Jun 1913 (98%)
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Bysouth Lilian M Coote Edmonton 3a 1204

This would mean that her mothers maiden name was Coote.

This may be the brother but cannot find details on the sister Lena
Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
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Bysouth Gordon William Edmonton 3a 637

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Dennis

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Dennis South
Social Work Department
University of Hull

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Hi Dennis,

Thank you for your E-Mail The infomation that you have sent is very interesting. I am now in touch with Lilians daughter in Australia and she could very well furnish me with her maiden name and possibly verify it as Coote. However our main interest now is to try and contact a woman with the maiden name of Edith Greta Bysouth who was possibly born in the 1930's and who possibly lived in the North London area in the 1950's. Hoping that you can help us here.

Kind Regards/Peter
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Hi Ken,
In responce to your question about the size of the strong boxes they are 2 1/2ft X 1 1/2ft and 2ft X 1ft both with keys

Hi. I am a new(ish) family researcher and I have been looking around your website with great interest. As you may have realised I am a 'Bysouth' and I am very glad to chat with anyone who is related to the 'Bysouth' family or who is researching themselves.

Edited by author 26-02-2009 10:47 PM
i am the great grand son of goerge and aliceand wouldlike any information and pictures please andy.margrove@hotmail.co.uk

Hello Andy

I shall reply direct to your email address

Regards

Ken Barker

I hope you don't mind me leaving a non-related South message on this very interesting site that I found whilst searching for my Freeman ancestors.
My 2xGt Grandparents James Freeman (b1823) and Jane Robinson (b1821) lived in Meesden, Hertfordshire. Six of their eight children moved to the Edmonton/Tottenham/Enfield areas yet I never see the name Freeman mentioned on websites or message boards boards I look at.

Hoping it might ring a bell with someone!

Regards

Lyndsey

I am listed on the South message board and am currently searching for Bysouths but seeing your request for infomation on Freemans I may be able to help. I knew a Freeman family when our own family lived in Enfield between 1939and1953. They were near neibours to us. I understood that the family had come from a village in Hertfordshire many years ago. Some of the male members of the family were agricultural workers on a local estate.I hope that you are successful in your search

Peter.
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Hi Peter,

Thank you for your reassuring message, it's good to know they are out there - somewhere.

Regards

Lyndsey

Hi I am a Bysouth and maybe one of those you are looking for! I hope I will be able to help. Tracey Bysouth.

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Message for Peter Judd
Started again doing a bit more research on May Coote and Frederick Bysouth.

Marriages Sep 1907
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BYSOUTH Frederick Samuel Royston 3a 1437
COOTE May Royston 3a 1437

I believe May Coote's parents were Joseph Coote b1859 and Susan Hagger b1856. This Susan in 1861 and 1871 censuses below (Hagger mistranscribed Dagger in 1861)

1861
Elizabeth Dagger abt 1828 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Wife Royston, Cambs
William Dagger abt 1831 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Head Royston,
Eliza J Dagger, abt 1851 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
Julia A Dagger, abt 1853 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
Susan Dagger, abt 1856 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
George Dagger, abt 1859 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Son Royston,

1871 census
Name William Hagger Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Occupation BREWERS DRAY MAN
Address Back Street
District Royston, Royston
Birth Place Therfield
Birth County HERTFORDSHIRE
willaim 43
elizabeth 42
susan 14
george 12
william 9
egbert 4

As this William Hagger b1828 is from Therfied he is in the HALS Parochial documents

Hagger and Hagger-Wood families also have further ties with other Bysouth/South branches.

Have you already researched this?

Regards

Dennis

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Thank you for this information I have recently been visited
by my cousin ( Fred Bysouth'sGrandaughter) who lives in Australia who has confirmed your research. Greatful thanks for your help but I am still trying to find an Edith Greta Bysouth
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Edited by author 21-05-2009 07:56 AM
Hi Peter

This may be your Edith now listed on BMD - was her mother's family named Waldock?
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
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Bysouth Edith G Waldock Royston 3a 1336

Addition: Sorry just found that you believe she was born later around 1930 - nothing showing as yet.

The following Edith b1910 her parents were Frederick James Bysouth and Edith Jane Brown
Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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BYSOUTH Edith Rochford 4a 735


Have you also checked Libby's site for other Bysouth's? Her site is growing daily but she is not entering details, I believe, on people born after 1910.

http://www.shade.id.au/Bysouth/Bysouth.htm

Regards

Dennis