Michelle

Ah, so that's where Abraham BRIGHT went to after he married Jane HOWARD. Like Ken, I haven't looked at the Barley BRIGHT family in any depth, but I have been collecting whatever information is easily available about them (such as Abraham & Jane's marriage in the Vital Records Index). Emma BRIGHT is my 3 x gt grandmother, so I would be interested in exchanging information on the Barley BRIGHT family with you (and anyone else who reads this). Regards, Chris

Hi Chris & Samuel
up until recently, I knew very little of the Bright family myself, and had them in my 'too hard' basket. I have since managed to trace them back a further two generations to Robert Bright and Sarah Purser (Abraham and Emma's Grandparents), with a suspicion that Robert was actually from Hinxton in Cambridgeshire, moving to Hertford before his marriage. Is this far from Barley? The names and dates seem to fit, but so far, no proof as yet.

Michelle

Dear Michelle

I have Emma Bright's parents as Henry Bright and Sarah Abraham - of their 10 children I only have two that I don't have a marriage linked to.

I also have a Amelia Bright born c1802 who married William Chuck (have a bit on this family group)- have you got this Amelia in your tree? I don't have her parents names but as she married William in Barley in 1820 could well be related but need the link. Their son Henry married Sarah Anne South (Ken's 2nd gt grandaunt). Would appreciate any additional information you have.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Dennis

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Hi Dennis,
I did find Amelia Bright, who married William chuck a while ago, and she is still in my 'unlinked' folder too, as I have not yet found where she fits in to the tree. Will let you know if that changes.
As for Henry Bright and Sarah Abraham, I have a total of 13 children to them, with only 2 of them (Emma and James) linked to marriages. This is a relatively new addition to my tree, and I am still working on them. Any help is gratefully accepted.
Regards,
Michelle

Hi Michelle

If you are able to give me an e-mail address (or ask Ken, through his sites e-mail address - samuelsouth@btinternet.com, if he would be kind enough to pass it on - as this reply is open to all subscribers) I'll then send you a report on the Bright's from information that I have.
1871 census for Henry Chuck (William Chuck and Amelia Bright's son: Henry Chuck 37 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Head Barley Hertfordshire Sarah A Chuck (nee South) 37 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Wife Barley Hertfordshire
Anne M Chuck 2 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Barley
Hertfordshire
Henry Chuck 15 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Son Barley Hertfordshire Henry M Chuck 10 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Barley Hertfordshire Isabella Chuck 12 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Barley Hertfordshire Joseph Chuck 16 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Son Barley
Hertfordshire
Joseph Whitmore 50 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Lodger Barley Hertfordshire
Regards

Dennis

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University of Hull

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Michelle

Will be pleased to pass on message via Samuel South email address - will be away from end of week so best to email asap.

Dennis

I have some enquiries about Chuck and Bright families and will be in touch on my return

Ken

Dennis,
I think Amelia Bright who married William chuck may be the daughter of Robert Bright and Sarah Purser (sister to Henry who married Sarah Abraham, and my Robert). I found her and William in the 1851 Census, and her age is given as 48 years, which would assume her birth about 1803 in Barley. Robert and Sarah had a daughter 'Milly', which can be short for Amelia, Chr. 18 July 1802 in Barley, which I have not been able to find any further info on.
My email is shell39368@yahoo.com.au
I would be very interested in exchanging further info with you.

Regards,
Michelle

As some of you know there is a familly website showing some of the details of the Brights in Barley. This is found at http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/graemeb/. If anyone wants a GEDCOM file you can email me using the link on this page

Edited by author 29-09-2006 08:15 PM
I think I've spotted my Grandpa in the photos on the wonderful archives on the website! I don't suppose names were recorded? He was Ernest Moody who made flowerpots non-stop all his working life - as the callouses on his forearms testified! Like Samuel South, he was born in 1876 and he retired at 75years of age (lived till 1959)! His brother Walter also worked there loyally , although they had been asked by 'friends' to set up in competition (which 'friends' did and enticed other Moody Brothers to work for them!) He used to tell his children (6) that he didn't earn much money 'because it fell through the bottom of the pots'. Poor old chap - good job he did't have any vices and had a frugal wife! This info. comes from his daughter's little book of family reminiscences "Sis's Tribe".
She remembers visiting the potteries, open to public on Good Fridays., and remembers her father telling of a hanged man and a murdered woman found on the site!! She also tells of the 'wedgers' scaring the potters one Halloween by making ghostly candle-lit heads to stare through the windows at them - made from turnips stolen from a field nearby!
My sister and I are now researching our family history and may even write a new book which could be called 'from Shoreditch to Hove - via Tottenham!'
I wish I had more photos. especially as he and his brothers were keen enthusiasts, but the website is a brilliant find. Thank you all. Frances.

Hello Frances

I am really delighted to receive your message and that you found the website of interest.

Earlier this year I published a book about the South family and their pottery (South from Barley) and the reminiscences of your family would have been great addition. I particularly liked the story about the wedgers – in the early days of the pottery before electric light the atmosphere must have been “spooky”. I must say that I have never heard of the bodies! Most intriguing! Also most interested in your comments about setting up in competition – I am making a study of the North London pottery industry and any info on this would be most helpful.

More information about the book is on the website – click on the flowerpot calendar on the home page – perhaps I could exchange a copy for a copy of your relative’s book.

My mother, Joyce, was the youngest of Samuel(2)’s eight children and in post war years made up and paid out the wages on Friday afternoons at the pottery and sometimes as a boy I used to accompany her. The name Moody does ring a strong bell but I am afraid I have no further info about him. Some time ago I was contacted by the daughter of another potter – Les Woor – and have also visited Bert Brown who worked in the clay pit at the time your grandfather would have been there.

What photo does you grandfather appear in? I could send you a better copy than appears on the website. I also have a larger selection of pottery photographs and he may appear elsewhere. Also have a 1951 film clip of the pottery downloaded from the Pathe website.

I am now researching the development of the area around White Hart Lane and Devonshire Hill Lane which was, arguably, the last rural piece of Tottenham – I assume that your family lived close to the pottery and there may be further memories in this regard.

I would very much like to discuss matters with you further – can I suggest that you email via the email contact on the website (samuelsouth@btinternet.com).

Hoping to hear from you

Regards

Ken Barker

Hello Frances

I can understand your and Ken's delight in finding an ancestor on his website. I wonder if you know where Earnest and Walter Moody were born. I ask because a Moody born around the same time - Thomas Moody, born 1871 at Bury Street, Enfield - married into the Cole family of the pottery next door to Souths. Could just be a coincidence or they could be brothers.
Good luck with your research.

Pat Cryer
www.colepotteries.btinternet.co.uk




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Edited by author 09-10-2006 04:12 PM
 Thank you Pat. So far this seems to be just a coincidence, but you never know.! Most of our Moodies were born in Shoreditch - apart from the younger members - of the family of 13 in total ! The parents uprooted and moved their young family out of the slums to the 'countryside' of Tottenham. Frances

My 2nd cousin Sarah Olver told me about this site. My Family lived at Devonshire Hill farm until the 1930s their name is Hayhoe. I am sure my grandad Albert Hayhoe looked after pigs and horses until he moved to Warwickshire in aprox 1936. I have a photo of him sitting in a field with the farm in the background.
I have visited Devonshire hill lane recently,and have been able with the help of old maps been able to locate the area of the farm. I have taken some photos of the area as it is now.

Regards

Keith Holmes

Hello Keith

Great to receive your message.

I assume that you are "one of the cousins who live in Rugby" that Sarah mentioned in one of her emails to me. I did send Sarah several photos of Devonshire Hill Farm, including an aerial photograph, together with a brief history and details of electoral registers. Were these passed on to you? If not would you like further copies?

I would very much like to have a copy of the photo that you mentioned. i am researching the history of the development of the area which was arguably the last rural area of of Tottenham and any info by way photos etc would be most appreciated.

Regards

Ken Barker

Hi Ken
Thankyou for your email.
Yes I am from Rugby,my Grandfather moved here after vacating Devonshire Hill Farm. I am not sure whether his parents continued living there after he moved away. I have visited Bruce Museum in Tottenham and have copies of photographs of the area,which match up rather well with photos in the family collection. I would very much like to see the Arial photograph you have as I am very interested in the topography of the area. I have attached some photos, the first one is of my Grandfather with a motorbike in Devonshire Hill Lane in the 1920s. The second is of my grandfather (Albert Hayhoe) with his father (Samuel Hayhoe) outside of Devonshire Hill Farm, in think about 1920. The third photo is of the pond and the entrance to the farm, no date. Regards Keith

Keith

Unfortunately attachments cannot be sent via the message board.

Please could resend to samuelsouth@btinternet.com

Thanks

Ken