Ken,
Thanks for the reply. &#A0;I will check the web site to see if I can find my South family. Aloha,Sarah

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From: QT - Samuel South <qtopic-22-uJAa2jfqLRXtk@quicktopic.com>
Subject: Samuel South & Sons
To: "QT topic subscribers" <qtopic-subs@quicktopic.com>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:33 AM

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Hello Sarah

I am afraid that it most unlikely that there is any connection between the South families - "my Souths" lived for many generations (since 1570 at least) in the villages of north east Hertfordshire with no connection with either Shropshire or history of emigration to USA.

Also, there are many South families in the UK - have a look at
http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/ for further info.

Regards

Ken Barker

Hello,

I have been working on my paternal grandmother's family tree. She was born Sarah Helen South in 1877 in Oswestry, Shropshire. Her father was William South, born in Doncaster in 1854. His father was Samuel William South, but I don't know his birth information. William South emigrated to Hawaii in the 1890's. There are several of his descendants still here, as well as in other parts of the US mainland. Would anyone know if this fits into the South family tree on your site? My grandmother was under the impression that there was only one South family in England. She also said that there was a Samuel South buried in Westminster Abbey. Is he a relation?

Thanks for any help that you can give me.

Tom

Thanks for the address.

At the time I found the clip on the Pathe site you could apply for a video and also download a copy - have just had a quick look at the site again and it does not immediately appear that this facility is now available although I think that you may have to register.

I could cut a cd/dvd to send to you or as a email attachment (so long as you are on broadband)

Ken

Ken

Dads address is 67, Maddles, Letchworth, Herts. SG6 2QY.
Where did you get a tape of the Pathe film, are they for sale somewhere?

Tom

Hello Tom

Good to hear from you and to learn that your father is "still going strong". I think that I overlooked sending him a copy of the book that I wrote about the South family and their pottery. Please can you remind me of his address either via the email contact on the website or to ken.barker1@btinternet.com

Thanks for the info about Pathe newsreel which I already have - I did take a tape of it when I visited your father but his video player was not working at the time.

Ken

Hello Ken,
Tom Brown here do you remember?
You may already have spotted this but just in case you haven't,
On your google search type in 'Pathe News' and when you get to the site search for 'Flower Pots'
It's a little film they recorded in 1951 at Souths.
At the begining there is a foot on a shovel, thats my dads' foot!!!!!

Tom
p.s. Dad's fit and well and nearing 91 now.

Hi Dennis Thank You for your message. Have now confirmed that Edith's mothers family name is Waldock

Kind Regards Peter.

Edited by author 21-05-2009 07:56 AM
Hi Peter

This may be your Edith now listed on BMD - was her mother's family named Waldock?
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
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Bysouth Edith G Waldock Royston 3a 1336

Addition: Sorry just found that you believe she was born later around 1930 - nothing showing as yet.

The following Edith b1910 her parents were Frederick James Bysouth and Edith Jane Brown
Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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BYSOUTH Edith Rochford 4a 735


Have you also checked Libby's site for other Bysouth's? Her site is growing daily but she is not entering details, I believe, on people born after 1910.

http://www.shade.id.au/Bysouth/Bysouth.htm

Regards

Dennis

Thank you for this information I have recently been visited
by my cousin ( Fred Bysouth'sGrandaughter) who lives in Australia who has confirmed your research. Greatful thanks for your help but I am still trying to find an Edith Greta Bysouth
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Message for Peter Judd
Started again doing a bit more research on May Coote and Frederick Bysouth.

Marriages Sep 1907
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BYSOUTH Frederick Samuel Royston 3a 1437
COOTE May Royston 3a 1437

I believe May Coote's parents were Joseph Coote b1859 and Susan Hagger b1856. This Susan in 1861 and 1871 censuses below (Hagger mistranscribed Dagger in 1861)

1861
Elizabeth Dagger abt 1828 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Wife Royston, Cambs
William Dagger abt 1831 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Head Royston,
Eliza J Dagger, abt 1851 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
Julia A Dagger, abt 1853 Therfield, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
Susan Dagger, abt 1856 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Royston,
George Dagger, abt 1859 Royston, Hertfordshire, England Son Royston,

1871 census
Name William Hagger Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Occupation BREWERS DRAY MAN
Address Back Street
District Royston, Royston
Birth Place Therfield
Birth County HERTFORDSHIRE
willaim 43
elizabeth 42
susan 14
george 12
william 9
egbert 4

As this William Hagger b1828 is from Therfied he is in the HALS Parochial documents

Hagger and Hagger-Wood families also have further ties with other Bysouth/South branches.

Have you already researched this?

Regards

Dennis

Hi I am a Bysouth and maybe one of those you are looking for! I hope I will be able to help. Tracey Bysouth.

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Hi Peter,

Thank you for your reassuring message, it's good to know they are out there - somewhere.

Regards

Lyndsey

I am listed on the South message board and am currently searching for Bysouths but seeing your request for infomation on Freemans I may be able to help. I knew a Freeman family when our own family lived in Enfield between 1939and1953. They were near neibours to us. I understood that the family had come from a village in Hertfordshire many years ago. Some of the male members of the family were agricultural workers on a local estate.I hope that you are successful in your search

Peter.
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I hope you don't mind me leaving a non-related South message on this very interesting site that I found whilst searching for my Freeman ancestors.
My 2xGt Grandparents James Freeman (b1823) and Jane Robinson (b1821) lived in Meesden, Hertfordshire. Six of their eight children moved to the Edmonton/Tottenham/Enfield areas yet I never see the name Freeman mentioned on websites or message boards boards I look at.

Hoping it might ring a bell with someone!

Regards

Lyndsey