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GorillaTest
02-06-2004
04:14 PM ET (US)
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The reason the button click doesn't take with Safari is because Safari doesn't actually set the "clicked" property of the button. It's not Microsoft's problem, it's Safari. The damn thing is only half implemented and people keep insisting on using it as a commercial browser. That problem with .net form controls *ONLY* exists in Safari. No other browser exhibits that problem. You decide where the problem is. Why in the world is Apple building a web browser anyway, when there are plenty of commercial grade alternatives that run in the MacOS?
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jfbiii
06-03-2003
05:41 PM ET (US)
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Actually, the problem is that IE supports dumb-ass web development practices that register as broken pages on everything else.
It's IE's noncompliance with standards and pervasive use by stupid end-users that have better options but lack the functionality god gave chimpanzees that drive crappy websites developed by morons using FrontPage that only work on IE.
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flak73
06-03-2003
01:28 AM ET (US)
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Amen! Just today I was testing my new portfolio site and Mac IE couldn't handle the simple postion:fixed style. Even worse was what it looked like on PC IE. I was asking myself why hasn't m$oft updated IE lately? About an hour later, I got my answer when I read "no more ie". It's funny that my site works perfectly on Safari, Mozilla, and Camino (haven't tested NS yet). I think that Safari will gain more support than some say.
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Brian Perry
06-02-2003
04:58 PM ET (US)
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Does anyone know about Safari compliance with many .asp pages? I am forced to use IE to access our local real estate MLS system because it has so many messedup .asp features built in. For instance, you can access the site fine with Safari, fill in forms, etc., but when you click the submit button nothing happens. Then it's back to IE, where some of the features don't even work then. I was interested to hear that Mozilla/Firebird has good windows support, but the MLS site won't let the browser in- only IE!
Any suggestions/experiences out there?
----Brian
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Rob M  06-02-2003
09:54 AM ET (US)
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I rarely use IE and only for web dev. I usually use Safari and Mozilla. I think Mozilla/Firebird is going to be nice on the Mac side. I use Phoenix and Mozilla on the PC side.
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Thad Hoffman
06-02-2003
12:24 AM ET (US)
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As far as business, Mozilla is the only choice on the Mac. Businesses tap into IE win because of the com objects built into it. MSXMLHTTP, MSXMLDOM, and SOAP. They can easily add funtionality for a web interface to their crappy VB apps without batting an eye. MS doesn't even offer those objects in the Mac version. Another way they keep their edge on their side but can say "we have a Mac version".
Mozilla offers equal objects, xpcom, and a much better debugger. All free on all plats. Safari is great to surf pages, but not for businesses. That's not a slam either.
I know this all too well. It's what I do for a living. That and fighting tooth and nail with my superiors to keep Netscape 6+/Mozilla support. To be honest. Designing for Mozilla is way easier and much more efficient than IE. Also, a few Newsgroup posts or bug entries and the bug is usually fixed within the next 3 week build. Never happen on the IE side.
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Frank
06-01-2003
05:28 PM ET (US)
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Unfortunately in many ways the issue is not the capability of the browser. I use Safari 90% percent of the time. I regularly visit sites that refuse to recognize Safari's capabilities of already supporting a standard that they are using on the site. Since Safari is recognized as a Netscape browser that already limits acceptance. Using the Debug menu provided by Safari Enhancer frequently gets around this problem. In the end it will still be a case that the detection of the browser on the server side will determine whether certain functions will work. So, the question might be how will Apple be able to convince sites to recognize and support Safari when IE Win dominates the market and virtually every other browser is a tiny niche player.
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Mike
06-01-2003
01:36 PM ET (US)
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I haven't launched Chimera/Camino at all since the day I downloaded Safari at Macworld SF. I've only launched IE once since then - and that was because I accidentally clicked it on the dock. (Not really sure why I have it on the dock at all.) I don't even bother with Opera et al. No web browser is, was or will ever be compliant with everything on the Web. Safari's still in beta - and it blows everything else on the Mac away. Hell, it blows most Windows browsers away. Sheesh. IE can't even properly handle Windows Media files. Safari - at least - launches WMP for you. What's that tell ya? Edited 06-01-2003 01:39 PM
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Rob McNair-Huff 06-01-2003
12:29 PM ET (US)
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uhg, Yeah, the current IE is a mixed bag to say the least, but what I meant in my comments is that Safari needs to be able to handle anything that IE can handle. Otherwise, the Mac stands to become even more marginalized.
Safari is a good starting point, but it still can't replace IE for all content everywhere. Neither can Mozilla, for that matter. And unless site and Web tool developers stop developing using Microsoft's proprietary code then Mac users will be forced to have a Windows machine with Longhorn to be first class citizens on the Net...
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uhg
06-01-2003
12:10 PM ET (US)
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You mean support standards like IE? Like the great support they have for CSS or .png? I think when it comes to standards, Safari has IE so beat, it isn't funny. If you don't think that is the case, try using IE on a windows machine.
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