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Robot art in NYC: firebreathing monkey on your back

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Eli the BeardedPerson was signed in when posted
12-03-2003
07:11 PM ET (US)
Mr DON KOKUBI, I must congratulate you on your base64 encoded post of a 419 spam. I gather you choose that way to reprensent your words in order to spare the eyes of those not trained in the proper way to deal with such junk.

I pity the fool that would grant you "POWER OF ATTORNEY" as you request.
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donkokubi@cbn.rp.net
11-11-2003
03:00 AM ET (US)
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Gabe
07-14-2003
01:34 PM ET (US)
Went to the show on Saturday. Was awesome. My full review is available here. I'll throw up some pics from the event too, when I get a chance.

Also, to chime in on the whole "robot art" terminology issue: I say that "robot art" _is_ a misleading term for all of Kal's art that I've seen. From my experience, Kal makes a lot of devices that involve bio-feedback (linking the pulse in my hand to the fire spitting out of the tail apparatus on the Monkey piece, for example). I'd classify robotic art as that which uses robots (autonomous devices that operate on their own accord in the world (i.e. if humans all disappeard, they'd go on functioning)) to do something artistic (I don't think we're arguing about the term "art", so I shan't elaborate on what I think art is).
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xeniPerson was signed in when posted
07-11-2003
09:51 PM ET (US)
I'm sorry I called you a hosehead. But I do stand by the blog headline -- calling this "robot art" isn't misleading. I, too, think "mad scientist art" sounds even better though, and will use it henceforth.
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Joe Ardent
07-11-2003
09:36 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I went to one of your shows. I don't want to disparage what you are doing, nor do I expect you to kow-tow to people's expectations. I was merely addressing the title of the blog post on BoingBoing, which said, "Robot art in New York!", which I feel is misleading.

As for digital logic... I know it's not requisite for unanticpated behavior from artificial creations/creatures. The most important part, for me, for something to be a proper "robot" is autonomy. Robot Wars, Battle Bots, etc. are not robots, either.

Anyway, all that said, I happen to think "mad scientist art" is a perfectly good label for the stuff of yours that I've seen.

I hope this does not ranckle; I did not mean it to. If disagreeing with a label makes me a hosehead (totally one, in fact!), then call me a hosehead.
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kal
07-11-2003
12:38 AM ET (US)
hey,

funny responses!
expectations set you up for a let down! or they watch to much robot wars crap.
I myself don't like constraints or rules, be it "digital logic", economics or beauty, attached to my art. i let other people live that way.
One thing i have found is that you can't please everyone, and, well, i don't want to!

That is what is so so great about art, there are NO RULES! and if there are they are worth breaking i rekon.

It is always sad when people people are reduced name calling
vs. some higher level of discourse, jelousy i guess.

anyhoo,
i have lots of pieces with digital logic, like 10 or so, hmm, did this person really go to one of my shows?! maybe they should make art how they want it to be, i am sure not going to execute pieces for other peeps' expectations.
if they need a refresher they can find these digital logic pieces on my website.
seemen.org

Terms like robotic art are for people that need definitions, i don't care what my art is called.
How about mad scientist art?
i tend to be inspired by science more than art these days.

much love!
kal


Quoting Xeni Jardin <xeni@xeni.net>:

> K:
>
> On a BoingBoing reader discussion board --
>
> This dude is a total hosehead, but for the record -- do you use the term
> "robot art," or is this a mischaracterization? Now that I think of it, I
> don't recall you using that term to describe your work. I'd like to be
> accurate in future reference.
>
> --XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QT - Joe Ardent [1]
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:00 PM
> To: QT topic subscribers
> Subject: Robot art in NYC: firebreathing monkey on your back
>
>
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> I've been to a SEEMEN show, in San Francisco (their home, I believe).
> THIS IS NOT ROBOT ART! This is "industrial" art: crude-looking dynamic
> sculptures, made from welded steel, featuring simple mechanical
> actuation (eg, direct-link or pneumatic), and flexible pipes connected
> to a source of flammable gas (eg, propane or methane). There is
> absolutely no digital logic (electronic or mechanical) or autonomy in
> these things. I for one was disappointed by this. I see the word
> "robot", I expect some sort of semi-autonomous (at least) thing.
> ___
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Joe Ardent
07-10-2003
10:00 PM ET (US)
I've been to a SEEMEN show, in San Francisco (their home, I believe). THIS IS NOT ROBOT ART! This is "industrial" art: crude-looking dynamic sculptures, made from welded steel, featuring simple mechanical actuation (eg, direct-link or pneumatic), and flexible pipes connected to a source of flammable gas (eg, propane or methane). There is absolutely no digital logic (electronic or mechanical) or autonomy in these things. I for one was disappointed by this. I see the word "robot", I expect some sort of semi-autonomous (at least) thing.
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CraniacPerson was signed in when posted
07-10-2003
12:10 AM ET (US)
That's it? Make a stupid exoskeleton and ravishing women show up to try them on? Why didn't someone tell me this when I was sixteen and discovering dungeons and dragons...
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Gabe
07-09-2003
04:21 PM ET (US)
/me adjusts his nipple clamps. Xeni, since you won't be going, I promise to take lots of pictures (and I'll post a url to this thread after the event, if I remember).

When I heard that Kal would be there, I wondered if he'd remember me from the last LA SEEMEN event. Then I realized he probably doesn't remember yesterday. *Sigh* Why does Kal + Fire have to be so much fun? Anyway, yeah, I'm psyched. All you b0ingers who're going, I'll see ya there.
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xeniPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2003
03:47 PM ET (US)
Wouldn't miss a SEEMEN show at any cost, but unfortunately I'll be working elsewhere this weekend. Gabe, we'll have to resume your interrogation session by IRC instead. Before you log on, please remember to snap on the electrified nipple clamps to ensure maximum truth.
Edited 07-09-2003 03:48 PM
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Eli the BeardedPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2003
03:37 PM ET (US)
Interesting Aside:
The gallery is on MonkeyView, Rudy Rucker Jr's ISP's free
photo gallery service.
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Gabe
07-09-2003
03:35 PM ET (US)
Yo, Xeni, you gona be at this one? I'd look forward to having you interrogate me about communism (again) while I stand under a fiery halo... I'm so there. =-)
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Sikozu Sta.-AnaPerson was signed in when posted
07-09-2003
01:39 PM ET (US)
Oy, what does the robot do? I don't get it eh.

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