wondering if anyone knows if a ptf clerk filling in from another office can get scheduled training in the month of december that puts them into over time?

training generally is not don in december or in overtime it should be done within their scheduled 8 hours. But ptf don't really have a schedule so go figure. You said "scheduled" training so i'm assuming that the training is part of their weekly schedule like window or scheme but they usually don train at all during december. Overtime is managments call, if them want them to train in OT status then so be it.

Can a borrowed OIC send home the PTF's and do all of the work herself? Isn't there a rule?

Is the OIC, the OIC? don't know what you mean by "borrowed OIC".
But if OIC is in charge of that office, yes, OIC can do what most OIC's do and attempt to cut hours to look good.
PTF will get the minimum if OIC desires.
Not saying its right, just saying yes it happens.
Solution: PM/OIC's are not supposed to shift clerk work to themselves, but it happens. And best a PTF can do is document and make sure union is contacted.
Through the grapevine, its my understanding that APWU has a class action suit going for this purpose (started in Oct??)

The OIC can do whatever they want, but, only if you let them. File a grievance and get paid for all the work they are doing. I speak from experience, I filed every time she touched mail, and won them all.

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Jan/Feb 2010 edition of The American Postal Worker has a survey on this very subject. Mgt PFP goal is to reduce craft hours by doing the work themselves, then falsifying the paper work to further justify taking your job. Document all hours mgt has taken from your office over the last several years. Find this survey, fill it out, mail it in.

And join the Union.

The job you save WILL be yours

is there any such thing as window training anymore?? or is the training all done online?

what is the proper procedure for training someone to work the window?

there is still a window class

Look people!

It is a violation of the National Agreement for ANY manager (even a pretend one, aka OIC) to shift work from the clerk craft to themselves. In my state, we have been kicking their asses all over the place. I just settled two grievances on this issue for just over $15k for 3 clerks. Until this new thing cfame in from national, we have been settling these cases at step 1 and step 2.

I am so damned sick and tired of clerks in small offices (level 20 and below) sitting on their butts and LETTING these pukes STEAL their livlihoods!

If they are cutting clerk hours in your office, call your local/state president IMMEDIATELY! DO NOT WAIT! The Union and the Contract will protect you.

On my end, I am lobbying the Congress and my Senators to amend the laws governing the postal service to strike the requirement that all podunk post offices MUST have a postmaster, and if they do not, it is akin to closing the office. That is BS. Here in the big city, we have lead SSAs, what we used to call Window Tech's or Clerk Finance Station. The latter was specifically written for offices that had no on site manager. It is long past time to ressurect it, and get rid of postmasters in level 15 and below offices nationwide.

It is your choice, clerks! Join the fight, or let them starve you out. It's up to you and you alone!

any news on offers for retirement

Clerk,nothing but heresay,but there could be something of that nature around contract time(fall 2010).We just had two employees here with 27 years fired for excess absences and/or insubordination.One of them almost took the VERA and is wondering now if he can still do it.I think his best battle is to hang on and fight for a last chance scenario,if he has not already done so.

A borrowed OIC is an officer in charge, who is only there until the new PM steps in.

I have filed one grievance, am I to file each and every week? I am only working four hours a day, on Monday. The OIC knows that I know my rights and is keeping me out of the office as they know that I document, document, document. The FTR thinks that they have nothing to lose, so won't even bother with the survery or grievacne, figures, less work for them, and the other PTF is working at other offices and doesn't see it.

Our OIC comes in, distributes, breakdowns, cases up, does boxes and parcels, them moves onto to the back office and window work. They come in before the truck arrives, even though everthing is already set up, and get ready to do the break down and distribution. NO CLERK is a part of any of this. The first clerk gets there in time to box mail. Our OIC is a one person team.

The PTF's have been edged out. At first it was slow, and I complained to my union, than the OIC just flat out took over, and I filed a grienvance. They said it was due to number of hours allotted due to mail volumne. I see in the other offices, same mail volume and the clerks are getting overtime. I guess that our OIC doesn't want to get yelled at or that are a perfect suck up.

Each week, as I am sceduled four hours in the afternoon, I file a grievance. I don't thinkt that ghosts are doing the work and they is the only one in the building when the truck is unloaded and the mail distributed, although I did hear rumors that only person in the building for over an hour and when the FTR shows up, all ot if it cased up, broke down and ready to be boxed.

I smell a dead rat.

Under NO circumstance should a manager be in the office without a clerk present unless, it is a 1 person office! File a grievance EVERY single day, at some point they will get tired of paying you for work that you didnt perform, stick to your guns or you wont have a postion at all

~@-@~ what does your union steward say about this?

I have asked to file a grievance. The union steward waited until the last day of the 14 day period and then filed it. I took notes and copied the schedule every day, but the Rurals and the other PTF and the FTR won't back me as they like this person. But, it stands to reason that if the PTF's are not distributing, breaking down, or casing the flats and letters for the carriers, and the FTR does not show up for over an hour and forty five minutes, that leaves only the PM to do the work. The PM states that they are only being allotted so many hours for her workers, including themselves. I told my union rep, I don't care, that is their problem, and that they are NOT to do clerk work no matter what the budget is. They put themselves in this position, let them get yelled at for going over budget, but this person will not budge. I guess when the grievance is settled, or the ones that I file once a week until they go back to their home office, I will be not working, the other PTF is working elsewhere, and this person doesn't care. Our union steward can only file grievances, he can't force the PM to schedule us.

A new twist, he is filing grievances in the other small offices who told me that they do not have work for me, while they have used a casual in leiu of, for the past few months. He won one grievance for one of the regulars, but is just getting around to trying to get me into those offices and the casuals gone. Both offices decided to pay casuals rather than to pay a PTF, and the casuals have been working the window with NO training.