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Gena
07-09-2015
08:57 PM ET (US)
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On Thursday, July 9, 2015 QT - ottathewoods <qtopic-22-RCNDD7WjuJsaa@quicktopic.com> wrote: --QT------------------------------------------------------------- Reply by email or visit http://www.quicktopic.com/22/H/RCNDD7WjuJsaa/m2671 ----------------------------------------------------------------- End of Day is only allowed once a day. Sign Off, Log Off , run 1412s , change functions can be done all day......... End of Day is allowed once. Get on POS on.... and stay on all day ... go for it...... You are staffing the window. Once you log on and do End Of Day is considered staffing the window......... Union People.... Am I right? _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: http://www.quicktopic.com/22/X/RCNDD7WjuJsaa Start your own topic in 20 seconds: http://www.quicktopic.com |QT
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ottathewoods
07-09-2015
08:23 AM ET (US)
End of Day is only allowed once a day. Sign Off, Log Off , run 1412s , change functions can be done all day......... End of Day is allowed once. Get on POS on.... and stay on all day ... go for it...... You are staffing the window. Once you log on and do End Of Day is considered staffing the window......... Union People.... Am I right?
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ottathewoods
07-09-2015
08:18 AM ET (US)
Wrong answer Clerks.... get your Union involved. Contact Steward and NBAs.
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Jerjac
07-09-2015
07:53 AM ET (US)
From NAPUS website:
“The intent of item 2.A of the December 5, 2014, Global Settlement Remedy Agreement is to have a POS record of the amount of time during the course of a service day a level 18 Postmaster has logged into POS to staff the retail window. In order to capture that time, Postmasters shall run an End-of-Day report each time they log off POS throughout the day. As there has been some misunderstanding regarding this matter, both Headquarters Labor Relations and Customer Service will be messaging the Areas to ensure it is addressed, accordingly.”

Please note, this information is a change to what was posted on this web-site on April 15, 2015, when we reported, based upon information receive from Headquarters, that an End-of Day report would not be required each time Postmasters logged off of POS.
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Susan Martin
07-09-2015
07:16 AM ET (US)
Correct. End of Day is End of Day Consolidation which is only done ONCE. Your manager is informing you incorrectly. She or He can run 1412s all day.... she or he is still staffing the window. Info on this subject is available thru your Union NBAs and your Steward with whom can file a grievance... You can also file weekly for all hours your Manager is exceeding the clerk hour limits and get paid for those hours in violation. Dont loose your cool or get discouraged and dont get intimidated  ............. Persist with the grievance and get your steward to request end of day consolidation paperwork.... From the time your Manager logs on and ends their day they are staffing the window... If they just want to issue stamps or do any inventory reports, etc.... they can end  the day then................ and not be charged for staffing the window........... There is alot of controversy about this right now....but the Union one this battle for us......... so lets all enforce it. If your steward is unaware of how to prove this.... have him or her contact the NBAs or you contact the NBAs.


     On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:54 AM, QT - Mailady <qtopic-22-RCNDD7WjuJsaa@quicktopic.com> wrote:

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susieandaj
07-08-2015
10:37 AM ET (US)
I have been retired for the past 6 years, but I think things are almost the same. There is only one 1412 done at the end of the day. There are also "clock rings". All this info is in the computer. That is why when you leave THE window and do a different position you must clock into that operation. Always remember it is important you do a non revenue on your POS; whenever a question is asked or if you go to the back. By the way I enjoy being retired.
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X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
07-08-2015
10:26 AM ET (US)
/m2665 1412 is called 'the closeout' and where I come from, a day only ends once. If she is not running 3 feet of paper reports each time she says she's doing a 1412, she's ignorant or flat-out lying.

Having it in writing will not help. They will deny words even printed in bold in contract, or say that labor relations says it changed yesterday. They generally only choose to believe what they're told by their bosses, or what they think their bosses say.

Call that steward. He isn't going through exactly what you are, but I'm sure he knows how it's supposed to go. He should be able to explain to her or you why she's wrong so that she gets it.
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MailadyPerson was signed in when posted
07-08-2015
08:54 AM ET (US)
/m2663 Postalvet I am sorry but for me it was not clear as I read it. Xsteward said it is not possible to do 10 1410's and Susan Martin said, no that's wrong, once they put in their drawer to end of day they are considered staffing the window. So I do not understand if she can leave her drawer without doing a 1410. I am wondering if once she puts her drawer in she has to do the whole three hours in one shot and even if she is not using her drawer she's considered on the clock. She got her information by going to a conference for size 18 postmasters and that's what she came back with. One of the areas I am having stress with her is me telling her she can lock her drawer and sign out and it is not counted against her. She says the postmaster who is signing out and leaving her drawer in is going to be in trouble with the union. Maybe there are two different issues here but either way I don't understand. I am from a small office way away from any big city. There is a post office in the next town who has a steward, but that office never has the postmaster doing clerk work because it is a larger office. I looked through our contract online last night and can't find the concise rules for this. I wish I had something I could print out and show her. She is new to "post mastering" and was in a different part of the postal service before. She is however, stubborn.
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postalvetPerson was signed in when posted
07-07-2015
10:25 PM ET (US)
/m2663 your first post was very clear and so were the answers you received.
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MailadyPerson was signed in when posted
07-07-2015
09:17 PM ET (US)
/m2655. Sorry to be a pain, but I don't think I was very clear in my question I asked a couple of weeks ago. I was over exaggerating when I said 10 times, but if my Postmaster had to, she would do 10. If she is logged in and works 1 1/2 of her 3 hours for a day, then leaves the window for a couple of hours she does a 1412. she completely goes through the whole thing counting her deposit et cetra. If she comes back and works another hour or hour and a half later in the day she does another 1412 and another deposit. She says she has to do this to comply with union rules. I worked with another postmaster last week in another office where I was helping out and she just locked her drawer and signed out each time she was off the window instead of going clear to the 1412 when she was off the window for a few hours. Which one is doing it right?
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RIKSNYPerson was signed in when posted
06-22-2015
03:07 PM ET (US)
/m2657 The link doesn't change color, but it is still clickable & will take you to the post.
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X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
06-22-2015
12:34 PM ET (US)
/m2658 What /m2655 wanted to know was if PM had to or could do 1412 10 times a day and the answer is still no; it's not possible.

You are talking about how her hours will be charged; that is a different subject, and was not our thread.

So two takeaways. Learn how to refer to other messages properly. And learn how to pay attention and follow a topic to avoid confusing yourself and others.
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Susan Martin
06-22-2015
12:27 PM ET (US)
This is a highly debated issue right now with Summer Slow Down
 


     On Monday, June 22, 2015 11:33 AM, QT - Mailady <qtopic-22-RCNDD7WjuJsaa@quicktopic.com> wrote:

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Susan Martin
06-22-2015
12:26 PM ET (US)
Headquarters Postal Service and Union NBAs. Email msullivan@apwu.org  He is a Union National Business Agent with whom is helping me.


     On Monday, June 22, 2015 11:33 AM, QT - Mailady <qtopic-22-RCNDD7WjuJsaa@quicktopic.com> wrote:

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Susan Martin
06-22-2015
12:24 PM ET (US)
No. That is wrong. Once logged on the window and until end of day consolidation she or he is staffing the window. I just confirmed this with an NBA and I am a steward.


     On Monday, June 22, 2015 12:17 PM, QT - X-stew <qtopic-22-RCNDD7WjuJsaa@quicktopic.com> wrote:

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X-stewPerson was signed in when posted
06-22-2015
12:17 PM ET (US)
/m2655 This is the format; '/' then 'm' then message #. But it doesn't seem to be working now because nothing changed color. [Note: color change does happen, but only you post]

1412 is the closeout and can only be done once each day. She needs to just sign-off the computer and lock her drawer either in place on the line or back in the safe.

I'm sure you guys have access to a system notebook either physically or on-line. Look up 'closeout procedures'.
Edited 06-22-2015 12:18 PM
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