Edited by author 11-12-2007 04:03 PM
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Edited by author 08-03-2003 11:41 PM
You missed the point. People were calling for the forums to be taken down, and I wrote that I'm going to start asking for them to be taken down, which is ridiculous precisely because I'm a flame-baiting troll. It's called irony; you might want to look it up some time. I am glad you got a laugh, though, since that was my intention in writing it.

RE: self-deluded sack of shit like you

I assure you I'll remember that. You know you don't deal with criminals well. Avoid putting yourself in awkward situations by first refraining from personal insults. You're not up for confrontation on that level.

As to your killfile, this is the first I'm aware of that since I've only used the submit page twice, and haven't in several weeks. I did shout abuse at some people on these boards, so I can't blame you; but it does seem pretty pointless. Killfile people who harrass you, but why killfile someone who just disagrees with some of your readers?

Look, I don't give a fuck about you. All questions herein are rhetorical, and if you've thought for even one second that you have your "first stalker," you need to get over yourself. What you do have is someone who thinks you're a self-deluded sack of shit, with good reason.

1) Actions speak louder than words, and you've taken action. You directly insulted me, today.

2) You've also shown yourself to be naive, gullible, and completely oblivious on many occassions. One of my favorite things about this site is that it's a comedy of errors. "Cory Doctorow: The Blunder Years." In air-conditioned liberally-minded tech conferences, you may be God; but you're a chode the minute you step onto the street.

Like I said, though; it's not my concern who/what you are. That would be about as useful as yelling at the TV. I just come here because you collect some good links, and to have fun at some of your readers' expense.

FYI: I may tell jokes, but I never lie.

Edited by author 08-03-2003 01:50 PM
You're going to start asking for the forums to be cut off? Ahahahhahahahaaa! Jesus, that's fucking priceless.

Dutch, you've been in my killfile for months now. You can ask all you like. I think you'll find that:

a) I won't ever receive your message, because you're directed to /dev/null because you're a flamebaiting troll and a fool;

b) These forums will never ever be taken down because some self-deluded sack of shit like you thinks they should be.

But oh, do ask! Ask away! Ahahahahaha. God, that made my day, it did. I should have read this topic weeks ago.

>I'll withold judgement, though.

Since when did that become an option?

(maybe you have learned something)

-milo

Ok, so you're a big riddle, a true enigma, I can barely wrap my feeble little mind around your complex individual-ness.

Wrong. You will not understand me -- or anyone else on the Internet -- no matter how hard you try. There is nothing special about me that makes it futile for you to try in this specific case.

...and yet you get pissed off when other people declare, "I was born different, maaannnn!"

I get pissed off when they declare it. They can think it all they want. In certain forums set aside for that purpose, they can talk about it, so long as they recognize the uniqueness of other individuals and don't insist upon special rights to accomodate their uniqueness.

This is beside the point, but I also feel I should add that my moral code does not preclude me from engaging in hypocrisy. I recognize that stealing and violence are wrong, for example, and I do both anyway. Pointing out my hypocrisy will in no way prove that stealing and violence are morally correct.

And yet, you have also said several times that I should look in the mirror,
could it possibly be that you stand to learn something there as well?

Of course I could learn something. I already have. In fact, the whole purpose of getting into this was to learn something. What was your reason for getting into this?

(for the record, not a "punk" , and not a Buddhist)

If you're not a Buddhist, then how can you pretend to have any idea what you're talking about when you claim that I know nothing about Buddhism? Maybe because you're a punk? Quite a paradox, isn't it?

If you are not a Buddhist, are you a seeker of wisdom? Are you saying that it's my problem, not theirs, because you realize some spiritual truth about the nature of suffering? Or are you making this claim because you are a punk, and you think it's my problem that I judge your brethren harshly?

In /m177 I wrote that you have no idea whether I'm bullshiting you or not. To be more specific, I meant that you have no idea whether I really think you're a punk. I have no idea what motivates people.

I do know that you came into this discussion by accusing ___x of being blind to reality, and then followed up with the same bullshit against me. Not to mention that you got yourself wrapped up in some bullshit debate about Buddhism (as if such a thing is even possible), knowing full well that you have no idea what you're talking about. I'll withold judgement, though.

>I promise you that you will have no idea what you're
>talking about any time you talk about me.

Ok, so you're a big riddle, a true enigma, I can barely
wrap my feeble little mind around your complex individual-ness.

...and yet you get pissed off when other people declare,

>"I was born different, maaannnn!"

What you say sounds exactly the same from here.
And yet, you have also said several times that I should look in the mirror,
could it possibly be that you stand to learn something there as well?

You also spend a significant amount of time contemplating these
"punks" that you hate so much, either join up or let it go. Whichever you
decide you should realize than it is you that has the problem
not them.

"Physician heal thyself"

-milo (for the record, not a "punk" , and not a Buddhist)

"He who seeks his own happiness by oppressing others, who also desire to have happiness, will not find happiness in his next existence."

That is exactly why I can't stand punks. Quit trying to pigeon-hole me, and look at yourself. No matter how long you keep at it, I promise you that you will have no idea what you're talking about any time you talk about me.

There's no such thing as "fightclubism." Fight Club was a novel that reminded me a lot of my own friends and lifestyle -- end of story. It's a footnote, not a text to live by. You might as well accuse me of following "kitchenconfidentialism." And please don't mention my rabid "pointbreakism."

I realize a lot of people think Nancy-boys have the market cornered on Buddhism, but in reality that is just one more example of punk behavior in action. It takes a real punk to sit there and say, "I know the true path to enlightenment. I read it in a book!"

Seriously now, think about who's utilizing artificial social constructs to opress others. You have no idea if I'm bullshiting you or not, but you should know if you're bullshiting yourself.

Edited by author 07-22-2003 04:15 PM
"He who seeks his own happiness by oppressing others, who also desire to have happiness, will not find happiness in his next existence." Dhammapada Verse 131

Ok, so we're not talking about anything resembling actual Buddhism anymore, since enlightenment would involve being able to more truly feel the pain of others, as well as plenty of other basic concepts, that it sounds like you are familiar with, but have set aside in favor of a new philosophy, "fightclubism", perhaps?

I recall that there were several teachers who strongly warned against trying to gain true wisdom from a single text (or film in this case) but I do not have any useful references here. I am of the opinion that "fightclubism" has a few gaps, with regards to living a decent life in our society, but I could be wrong. Perhaps we should hope for a sequel that will provide a "new testament" for the faithful, allowing an individual to expand on the teachings and go beyond them without the need for a charismatic leader.

-milo

The master held out his staff and said to his disciples, "When, in olden times, a man reached the state of enlightenment, why did he not remain there?" No one could answer, and he replied for them, "Because it is of no use in the course of life." And again he asked, "After all, what will you do with it?" And once again he answered for them,

"Taking no notice of others,
Throwing his staff over his shoulder,
He goes straight ahead and journeys
Deep into the recesses of the hundred thousand mountains."


Engo sez: "If the action of one's ki is not independent of one's degree of enlightenment, one falls into a sea of poison." I guess that could lead to some kind of sociopathic state.

Wow, now that's off-topic.

Jesse M:

I see no need for further comment.

Dutch:
"So, there is some truth in what I wrote. I really didn't intend to say something about Buddhism, though. My point was just that Buddhists achieve clarity of vision due to the removal of mental stumbling blocks, and so do sociopaths. In a way, Buddhism is all about transforming the human experience."

But Buddhists would say that the most fundamental "mental stumbling blocks" are egocentrism and attachment to selfish desires. Are you denying that sociopaths are some of the most egocentric and selfish people in the world?

Jesse M., m/170: Can't think of where you can look for this, but maybe it will ring a bell. Basically, there are various stages of reincarnation, and various "realms" that one can be born into. You might be born as an evil person, or as one who is constantly hungry. Although persons fated to some existence may not become true Buddhas, there is a Buddha for each realm. It is even possible to be the Buddha of Greed, though greed is completely contrary to the enlightened way.

This should not be a goal of any Buddhist, and I'm really not sure if it's even taught anymore. I think this concept is where a lot of the great Chinese literature came from, though; the slightly deranged Buddhism which has Rabbit Buddhas and whatnot.

So, there is some truth in what I wrote. I really didn't intend to say something about Buddhism, though. My point was just that Buddhists achieve clarity of vision due to the removal of mental stumbling blocks, and so do sociopaths. In a way, Buddhism is all about transforming the human experience.

This has all been covered in Fight Club anyway, so I've never bothered trying to flesh it out. As frustrating as it is, I think Tom Robbins drew from a lot of the same material for the first part of Villa Incognito.

Dutch:
"I am the firm opinion that lacking human emotion and having no firm identity of your own makes everything much clearer. Think of it this way: Buddhist monks seek to eliminate the ego in order to gain mindful wisdom. The way I see it, I therefore hold twice as much wisdom as the typical person. Wrap that up and take it for lunch."

Aren't sociopaths supposed to be even more egocentric than ordinary people? And Buddhists certainly don't seek to eliminate "human emotion"...besides, it doesn't sound like you're very free from negative emotions like anger.