/m1680 the same type of thing happened in southern calif in 2007. we had wild fires that had smoke so bad in the plant you could not breath. the plant was in the evacuation area and management still denied admin leave. there was a large grievance filled but I do not know the outcome.

file your grievance and maybe an unfair labor charge.

postalvet, my complaint is less about the denial of admin leave, in all honestly, I feel no entitlement to admin leave and would have chosen emergency annual, if the community disaster option had not been offered on the phone menu, I didn't know it was for admin instead of regular, but I wasn't going to hang up either, since it clearly asked if admin was denied, did I wish LWOP or EAL... I picked EAL, I have over 7 weeks annual available. Management ignored my request of EAL in the case admin was denied and gave me and many others LWOP. I know of one person being given 16 hours LWOP, somebody who can ill afford the loss of 16 hours pay, whether or not it's paid out at a later date. This kind of decision by the plant manager and his minions is malicious and punitive and serves nobody. He is going to cost the USPS thousands in costs fighting this grievance and will end up paying the annual leave to those being given LWOP at the very least and may possibly end up paying out admin leave too. There is just no excuse for this kind of treatment of the employees. Is it any wonder that we have such adversarial relations between management and craft? Sadly there will probably be no punishment of these actions and those responsible will not be appropriately sanctioned.

When you filled out your 3971 you should have looked to see what they were giving you. If you did not agree with it you should have filled out a new one. If you signed for LWOP that what your going to get.

/m1683 "Sadly there will probably be no punishment of these actions and those responsible will not be appropriately sanctioned."

and the statement is why management does what they do!

m/1680- You should grieve this to the Supreme Court and the Vatican, if necessary- if you're traveling and stuck in an airport due to weather, you get overtime, right? You were stuck performing your postal duties. The PO owes you, bro, and if your steward and local don't go to the mattresses on this, something's seriously wrong....

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in the wind. you're way off base. I have not signed for LWOP nor will I. My request was for emergency annual if admin leave was not approved. If they hadn't had that new community disaster option, I'd have applied for emergency annual anyway. But by the time I saw where they were headed, I sure wasn't going to hang up and start all over w/that stupid hotline. And it doesn't matter how many leave slips you fill out, if they deny the leave request and input LWOP into tacs. You're still getting LWOP until such time as they change it.

I did however find out today, that the decision to give LWOP to their employees was made by the maintenance mgr and a single operations supervisor. Mailhandlers and some clerks were given annual, only admin leave was denied. So the decision to give blanket LWOP was not made by the plant mgr, only the decision to deny admin leave. However since he must approve LWOP, he won't escape blame if he allows this to happen.

So you did not sign a 3971?

I would of walked out of your smokey building, called in sick, when to a doctor and told him/she that the smoke was effecting my asthma which I don't have.

Base upon your writing,I do believe that you're indeed a stupervisor.

And you, a lowly clerk that can be fired, by me.

You "would of" "when" ahead and fire uself first for coming up with such a stoopid idea.

If only you could fire anyone in this place, we wouldn't be in the shape we are in. When everyone knows they can't be fired, they can do anything they want to...........

I am currently a level 7 mechanic that has passed the 933 maintenance test in March 2009. While there is supposed to be a freeze on all promotions in the Detroit area, I see mechanics being detailed to jobs that I could have got my level 9 bid for. I am currently sitting in the standby room along with the rest of the level 7's. The union is no help at this time. Is there anything that I can do to force my level 9?

First off,passing the exam is only half of the story.Unless and until you're on PER,you're not eligible for bidding.
I'm surprise that they keep you in standby.What happened to all of the machines/equipments? What's the classification of your facility?

I'm am the only name on the register right now. I passed the test before they switched to the new system, so that will leave my name at the top of the list. It's the P&DC in downtown Detroit where we have lost two 1000's machines, one SPBS machine, and our Cancellation department all in two years.

Do you have AFSMs? APPSes. Grieve if MMs are detailed to MPE position and they refuse to fill it.