Loved the film... I didn't even mind the rave scene... it was, at its very worst, what the Ewok party at the end of Return of the Jedi should have been. "Yub nub" my ass, George...

I think the rushing at the end of the movie was to not give people any time to think about the possibilities of what the Architect meant util they were out of the theatre... I am a big fan of the "secondary Matrix" theory... it also lends credence to the whacky idea running through my head from the first movie (and possibly confirmed by some of the rumours of spoilers that have come from the Enter the Matrix game) about why Neo is able to do what he do. The suggestion that Neo and Smith have something in common is great foreshadowing, I think...

I liked it, but I didn't understand much. Did you have to watch the first one to get a lot of the shit?

I liked the keymaker. But, I kept thinking about Ghostbusters and Rick Moranis, god he's funny in that movie.

Anyway, FREY, i sent you all those naked pictures of Ros (cost me my freakin lunch), but, nothing, not a thanks, nada!

Well Frey I thought it was better than the 1st, I would have removed the first half hour of the movie. I too have many thoughts about a secondary Matrix, I tend to go more along with the multiple Matrix Idea, and Either The Oracle is actually battin for the free thinkin humans or that Neo some how improves each new version of himself, perhaps a program or some sort of hybrid. Apparently ther is some evidence about the different matrixes in the video game, anyways I am going again I will throw up some more ideas then Later.

See, since James Earl Jones did the voice, and since I didn't have a clue who David Prowse was or what he looked like, I was seriously pissed when Darth turned out to be a sickly old cracker and not the righteous brotha I expected. And this was many years before Chasing Amy.

Yeah, the end of the movie was kinda rushed, but it was still mighty damn cool. Especially Neo ripping a trail of destruction through the city as he tries to get to Trinity in time. I also liked how he reached into her "code" and pulled the bullet out.

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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a secondary Matrix just for people who "reject" the matrix. Lots of threads on the net about this. I'm really diggin it. Why wouldn't the robots have a backup plan? And how can you destroy something 5 times and leave no evidence of that destruction/rebuilding process? No holes left from the digging?

The thought that "freedom" is an illusion, and that there really is no choice is a great angle. I love it. Then again, I always wanted Vader to turn out to be a robot. That the real Anakin died years ago or never existed as told by Yoda and Obi-wan. I really wanted Luke to be a pawn that was being used--even by the "good guys". At the end, he still doesn't know anything about his real past--or his real father. Betrayed and totally screwed over. Might have been tough to get Mark to portray those emotions on screen though...or for Lucas to write something that involving down on a napkin.

But I digress...

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Just saw it. Pretty sweet shit. I too found the rave scene a bit long. I liked it, but I actually remember thinking "good god this is a long rave scene". Contrast that with the way the end of the movie was rushed (and boy oh boy was it). ???? The end could have used some more screen time. It's like they looked at their watch and went "oh fuck, gotta wrap it up". Many movies have used simultanious/past-present storytelling to great effect. It felt like it was used here out of necessity.

As soon as buddy volunteered to help you knew he was dead. I was sad that it played out just as expected.

Beyond that--lots of brain food in this one. I loved it. I'll second the architect admiration--he was spot on.

You'd think if they'd "destroyed" Zion a couple of times (5) they'd have it down pat by now. How about a back door? The machines didn't have to start over--just the humans did. Interesting thesis Frey: I think it might have legs.

I'm hoping for that over reality and the matrix fusing. Getting Neo powers in the real world is a mistake in my opinion. Better to be a different matrix.

I'm surprised they blew the wad with Neo fighting so many agents so early in the film. Tough to top that with a hallway fight (where Morpheus seems to get his ass kicked by no more than two agents). Keymaker was cool.

I've got more I'm sure, but I'm still mulling over what I've taken in. Looking forward to other's impressions.

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Other than that stupid rave scene, I loved pretty much everything in this movie. I also like the fact that I walked out of the theatre actually thinking about what I just saw, for once.

So here's my theory: Zion et all is actually a secondary Matrix, a holding pen if you will, to keep the unruly humans in line by giving them the illusion of freedom. That explains Neo's ability to be the One in the real world, and it also explains how Smith downloaded himself into that goatee guy.

The only other explanation I can think of is that something of Smith transmitted itself into Neo when they fought in the first film, and that somehow lets him take down Sentinels (and then fall into a coma). But I like the secondary Matrix explanation more.

I loved the Architect. He came off as computer program, God and asshole college professor all in one. Plus I loved the fact that supposedly the machines have actually accounted for human rebellion and reseed Zion themselves.

Plus, that fight with a hundred Agent Smiths was goddamn cool.