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Yes, that would be another effective way of getting the point across. However, the fish were not really at an increased risk of danger than normal. If a goldfish is kept in a bowl in your home, it could very possibly be knocked over at any time. The chance of one of the blenders being knocked over was probably close to just as likely to happen as someone turning on the blender.

And no, the end doesn't necessarily justify the means. The thing he was trying to communicate could have been comprehended regardless of if someone turned on the blender. The point was the power of responsibility and choice, not the action of making that choice.

I agree that not helping people is a crime. As an EMT, I am legally responsible to help people in need, regardless of whether I am working. And if I had been there, I would have tried my best to prevent people from turning on the blenders. Which says a lot not only about the people who pushed the button, but also everyone else who stood and watched. Very similar to people who turn away when they see girls getting harrassed on trains or people being robbed.

As for how I found this thread, there is a link to it on Evaristti's web site: http://www.evaristti.com/work/installation/HELENA/index.htm

He included multiple articles and forums, both good and bad. The Dave Barry one especially made me angry.

What if, instead of using a goldfish in a blender, the artist used little children inside a nice playground with plexyglas windows. On the outside, you put a big red button marked "toxic gas release". Voila! A social commentary on how the big industries are ruining the planet by killing our children. Even better, without our support (our pressing of the button), theses industries could not thrive and would cease production.

You have a) something beautiful, b) you make people realize that we have a responsibility for life on this planet. Since I'm sure that someone would eventually press that button, we have c) something very telling of our society that there are actually people who would consciously abuse that responsibility. Oh, and since it's Art, don't you dare dismiss my example.

I'll give you one thing though, he got his point across. But I always thought that the end didn't justify the means. The fact that people think otherwise is also very telling of our society.

Btw, where I live, failure to help another person in danger is a crime. Granted, people aren't fish...

On a side note, how on earth did you find this thread? :)

Of course...if someone noted that this is a discussion thread on a topic that is what, 2 years old? One would be a better person as well.
As for the pretensions of art...come on! The whole point of modern art is to be pretentious. I mean, duh.

So he didn't set out to kill the fish? Hmmm...he just put them in a place where anyone could push a button. Seems like 'harms way' to me.

"Really, I didn't intend to hurt anyone, I just tied that kid to the railroad track. The responsibility was with the train engineer to stop."
You don't get to set up dangerous situations and then evade responsibility for them.

Of course, personally I could care less about the 'rights' of some stupid gold fish.

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First of all, it is hardly surprising that an artist would want to incorporate something beautiful into their installation.

Secondly, Evaristti in no way set out to kill the fish here. The point of the exhibit was to make people realize the responsibility we have for life on this planet. I think it is very telling of our society that there are actually people who would consciously abuse that responsibility.

Thirdly, it really frustrates me how easily people dismiss art. There is a definite "box" that art has been put into in our country, so that many people have a preconceived notion of all art as being pretentious nonsense. If some of the critics of Evaristti's work (especially the more ignorant ones in other forums I've read e.g. Dave Barry's) actually went to his website and read about the intentions behind his work with an open mind, maybe they wouldn't make such iditotic remarks and presumptions about the art. And maybe learn a thing or two (and possibly come out as slightly better people, oh my!)

I am *so* impressed that these threads still exist *and* that they can still generate comments :)

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My computer is solar-powered. Take THAT ... Ok, no it's not.

To me, killing is a part of life. You have no choice. You have to eat to live. And for that, something has to die, be it animal of vegetable (they have DNA too you know). It's not that you kill things, it's how you kill things. Respect what you kill! :)

Man, think of all the fishes I killed answering this question.

Did you kill you fish today?

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Well Certainly. We puree far more gold fish when we turn on our computers. Everytime you read a blog, god kills a kitten!!!

And everytime you respond to a QT topic that is more than a year or two out of date, god kills _two_ kittens.


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it obviously makes viewers battle their conscience by making them decide whether or not to press the button to puree the goldfish.
are you so blind to this fact?
he wasnt cruel to animals in anyway, he only put them in the postition to easily fall into harm, it was soley the viewers decision whether or not to kill the fish.
do you guys also have such contempt for the energy companies which pollute water and kill thousands of fish not to mention thousands of other acquatic creature, to power your computer which you stare at, and bitch about nothing?!?1@?
wow.

There is no heaven but this earth, for humans; who make it hell for the creatures we share it with. I do not understand why we have lost our respect for fish or goldfish. They were here inhabiting the seas long before anything appeared on the land. We evolved from fish, but somehow our fear of water, our fear of the sea now alienates us from their evironment and their ability to breathe water makes them vulnerable in our domain. Goldfish have been won at fairs, they are flushed down the toilet and not buried when dead, they can be eaten in 'A Fish Called Wanda' and the other night on TV one woman swallowed the contents of a fish bowl complete with fish. Goldfish seem to illicit no compasion in many people, but I am sickened by this idiot's behaviour, and I'm sorry he was not fined hard. When I saw this act of mindless murder on television it haunted me for days; that someone could care so little about another life, another soul. The Native American took only what was needed, and thanked the animal's spirit at death. We all live at the expense of something else. I keep fish, and I eat fish. But there is a world of difference between taking what I need only to exist for another day and thanking the soul of the animal, and mindless, cruel, cold blooded murder. As we are at the top of the food chain, we are either guardians of the creatures on this planet, or destroyers. Their fate is in our hands.

I'm reminded of a what Wolverine said to magneto in the first movie when they were up on the Statue of Liberty :

Wolvie : "If you were so righteous, it would be you inside of that thing"

Funny how when a "noble" sacrifice needs to be made, its never the ones making the decisions that make the sacrifice :) Long live our noble soldiers (oh, and the dead fish too).

The goldfish-in-a-blender thing is old hat. It's amazing the things people can get art grants for these days.

I'm pretty certain the artist didn't do it to challenge any sensibilities but to get free publicity. Had he killed a puppy or a kitten, people would be calling for his blood, but very few will get that worked up over a couple goldfish.

$311 and two goldfish? Well worth his money.