Wow :) This thread is still alive? 5 months between posts! Sheesh. That alone merits a reply, however flamish-warish-trollish it might be :)

I didn't see the video though. I didn't see all the pictures of the iraky(sp) prissoners that the senate(?) saw and refused to show the world because they would enflame hatred and violence against the US. We've been told that these pictures, or some of them, are fare worse than the ones that the media has. I'll reserve my judgment untill we can see the whole picture (never?). Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, american or otherwise, whatever the situation. The bible seems to be held in high esteem by a lot of US-americans. You know, "GOD bless america" and all of that? What does it say about violence and vengeance in there? Turn the other cheek?

Ah heck ... here's my opinion : I am, and always have been anti-war.

Does that mean I won't punch you in the face if you punch me first? Probably not :) That would be okay right? I'd be defending myself after all! (in real life, I'd probably be too stunned to act back :p) But what if I was the school bully and you punched me first because I bullied you around? Would that be ok? Would I then be the victim? It all depends on who you think shot the first shot. Nobody ever thinks they shot first, and everyone thinks that the other side is evil. That's the problem with vengeance and with war in general. Do you know of a situation where vengeance actually is the end of a situation? It's an evil self-feeding infinite loop :)

There has got to be a better solution than war. There just *has* to be.

That's it for me. I have to go back to work.

Flame away! (it's an hopeless discussion anyway, for both sides).