w00t! The law didn't pass! Sorry to all teh people that wanted it to.

Edited by author 06-28-2003 04:35 PM
I get your point Matt but not all people who play those type of games are like you. Many people are "blood thirsty psychos."

And "Harold" who are you and what does your message have to do with what we are talking about here?

I still stand that minors should not be allowed to play M rated games, T rated ones are violent enough.

School Sucks

Edited by author 06-21-2003 08:45 PM
If you are trying to pose as another student to get him in trouble try to spell his name correctly! Please find another place to post obscenities BESIDES this message board.

thats right drew it is better

REAL PAINTBALL is a whole lot funnier then some pc paintball game

I will stick with saying that it not thwe game but the person who plays it. I play these games sometimes and i am not some blood thirsty psycho who wants to kill someone. Nor are any of my Friends. An alternative to killing games is also found in paintball games. Ultimate Paintball Challenge is a computer game where you can experience the thrill of a first person shooter game without actually killing anyone or seeing any blood. There isn't even any language in paintball games.

its a free county

I think that they should forget about outlawing violent games, and should go after bloody/gutrenching games. I mean if you shoot someone in the head with an anti-tank gun (that’s a big gun!!) in the game Battlefield 1942 Road to Rome the guy just falls over. His body is fine and you don't see any blood. If you punch someone in Grand Theft Auto 3 the guy spurts blood. If all of you are against bloody games then say that. Don't blame shooting games, because some shooting games are fine.

I agree w/Morgen, because what good are violent games. I did see something on the knews that said that shooting games like Halo and Counter-Strike all help us teens be better drivers, because they make our brains think. They also help us multi-task and teaches us to kind of focus out and be able to catch little movements. I pley Halo and Counter-Strike, and I have to admit that they are fun, but i hate that junk like Grand Theft Auto 3. There is just know point to it. I like statigy games like starcraft and games that have a story line or a mission that invalves stratigy. Games that are made just to be violent are junk.

I still say, if your parents say you can play it, then guess what, you can play it!

i also agree with joe but i also think that some people use violent video games to blow off steam. for example during the yogurt project i was verry steamed every day i got home so i played some violent videogames and called it good. it really healps me but it can have the opasite affect on people that havn't been tought that it's not normal to go around killing people. this behaver breeds things like drivebys and school raids.

It's not that we're teeming up against you it's just that you guy have the wrong opinions! j/k nate. I guess it's just that we agree on something like this. :)

Oh, Kiley, I read your first line of your message and it sounds to me like the girls are teaming up against the guys. So, Joe, if you want me on your side you gotta convince me, or I'll argue both sides. :)

Edited by author 05-29-2003 12:02 AM
Morgan, ya gotta check your spelling of "poeple". J/K
And for Joe, I agree that many people like these games, but, not for the reason you pointed out. Sure, some people might shoot people on games because it is against the law to do it in real life, but not 100 % of the buyers are the same killing way. And Joe, if they were all that way, wouldn't you scared that if you made them mad they might just snap and go outside the game?
Sorry Kiley, but no comment on you message because I'm too lazy to read the whole book. J/K

Thing to Talk About #1~ I totally agree with you Morgan, where is this world going with all this violence?? and its not just video games either, there's tons of TV shows that are based on blood, gore and/or violence. I do not get why the government even allows violent games to be produced, it might even be costing them money I think. They have to take care of all the stupid people who think that what they do on a screen they can do in real life. If violent games were never really a part of this world, no one would miss them or really want them for that matter. I know that M rated games are "more fun" and "real" but cheezy E rated games can be fun in a way too, the graphics are usually kinda bad, the characters are dumb and there are many other things you laugh about too. I know that many of you serious, violent gamers out there probably won't agree with me, but I will stand my ground.
Thing to Talk About #2~ I think that the violence that a child or teen sees on TV or interacts with on a screen greatly depends on their maturity level. If they are able to understand what is going on then it doesn't necessarily make it totally ok for them to play the games but at least they understand what's going on.
Think to Talk About #3~ I know that this is nothing new but I find it "uncool" in a way that children and teens are becoming more and more..."pluged in" I admit, I'm guilty too, but read some article on the subject its very worthwhile. I think that well i think you know what i think and if you dont, well i'll be back! (sorry if i sound kinda weird, but i was arguing with Elyse even though its totally pointless and not im in the "fight back and don't give" in mood.)

Edited by author 05-25-2003 05:13 PM
Responding to Morgan's last message, I think that violent games are popular with a lot of people because they allow you to do things you would not be able to do in real life. We cannot go around killing people with fancy guns or steal a car and start runnin' over people so we do it in the fake world of videogames. So far that’s all I have to say about that, that I do.

Edited by author 05-22-2003 09:26 PM
Some reasons why the violance can be good (not allways)...
Funny: Conker's Bad Fur Day has violance that is there to be funny. Kind of like South Park or Itchy and Scratchy. An example was when Conker arives at a war he noticed how horrible it really is. One squirrl has no arm and picks up the one off the ground and places it back in some how making it seem funny.

Realisum: Maybe it makes the game seem more real. Like Halo, Perfect Dark,etc. Jjust picture Jonna DARK (main character in Perfect Dark) trying to talk it out withthe gards trying to attack her and you would see what I mean.

Makes it very scary: Resident Evil can be scary because of the zombies. I think the game wouldn't be scary at all if the zombies walked out and tryed to scare you disney style.

Also you don't all ways kill innocent people.

Replying to Morgan's messege, I think it is the way peopl think because I like some violence but not too much, and I also know people that wont play a game that dosnt have killing in it.

Drew what makes violence fun? I really want to know. I dont get why anyone one would say the more gore the better? Maybe its because im a girl or maybe I just dont think the way you do. But tell me why you think that violence makes a game better.

I realize matt, that girls play these games but a very small percent.. and about the jugding all the games on just one... well I dont care if one game has that hard of violence or five thousand, I dont think it is right to be teaching kids its ok to shoot and kill the police and innocent poeple. And what is wrong with games that dont have violence. I want to know what makes these games fun, maybe if i understand that more I will understand why you all feel so passionatly for them. It is just hard to imagine any game with killing to that extreme or any extreme to be fun. I dont understand... enlighten me.

Edited by author 05-22-2003 07:10 PM
Drew, some unviolant games are good to. Allmost every racing game is unviolant,I also like the Banjo-Kazooie games (another game by rareware) and they arn't violant. (I think I like Rareware games to much XD). Only some games are better rated M. Conker just seems better if your playing as a Squirrl that drinks, uses weapons, and all that other junk, it just adds alot of humor to the game. I also agree with Matt some girls do play video games. My sister plays Conker, Mario, Halo, Perfect Dark and many other games all the time.

Tim is right about violance making games better. I only buy games if thay have violance in them. The more gore the better and not once have i ever thought to do anything ive done in a game in real life. Also voilance dousnt have to mean killing people in Resident Evil you kill zombies and cerberus, chimeras, hunters and other creatures

Some times violance makes a game better in my opinon. For example Conker's Bad Fur Day for the N64 wasn't going to be rated M before it was released. It like it chould be good but it looked kind of kiddyish. Very kiddyish....people complained so they changed the game. It went from an E rating all teh way up to M (lol). In my opinion it is alot better with the change. With out the violance, etc. they wouln't have all the great stuff it has. Like the awsome Matrix spoof at the end.

 I think that we should get rid of violent games all together. People enjoy killing people, robbing and doing all sorts of things that are against the law and are immoral. One of these days people will get bored with the games and do this in real life. We are just promoting the degregation of our future generations

Morgan I think its mean of you to say that only guys play violent video games. Many Girls devote much of their time to killing things on video games

Morgan ypu are talking about one video game like it represents all of them. I have only played one game that was remotely like the one you described. Unless you have seen a wide variety of games and not just one you shouldn't be insulting all of them.

sorry about all the typos I can't type really well when I am mad

All off you who agree with that new law are lunitics. Not only will the law not make any difference. Besides I already have a mother I don't need the government trying to be one too. If someone wantsa to buy a video game they can get it. Their parents or older friends can buy them. Anyway playing a violent video game has no negitive effects all it. I have heard people say thing like the columbine shootings were caused by violent video games and that the D.C. are snipers practiced on Halo. Bull S--t. If you know any thing about the columbine shootings you would knew that that is bologna. Also I own Halo and it is nothing like shooting a real gun, if I had never shot a gun before but had played Halo I would still have no experience, I wouldn't even know there was a safety and there is a bit of a difference between a button and a trigger.

Sorry for all the typos I has mad and typing in a frenzy!

It makes me sick to think that young men can have fun plauing a game in which they shoot up cops, prostetues, and inoccent poeple. What kind of world do we live in where that is considered fun? It makes me sad to think that we not only let children play those games but even make them at all? What ever happened to mario racing? When did it become "macho" to shoot poeple for no good reason and act like an idiot?

I think that if your parents don't want you to play those games then so be it, but if they do, who cares?

I think that there should be no very violent games for minors, especially Richard Minor!

Edited by author 05-20-2003 10:32 PM
Wow, people need to learn how to spell. I don't know why I am hear, I was just bored. Games like Halo, Enter The Matrix all have mild violence; blood splat or a kick in the head I think that is ok. But there games like Tao Feng and you can see bones being crushed and stuff like that, those games I think are a little much.(even though I play that game)

:0 Just because a game is violant dosn't mean it is fun! I think they should let them be produced. If there wasn't violant video games we wouldn't have games like Grand Theft Auto, FPSs, Conker, and so on....

I think if the gov has such a problem with the violent games the they shouldnt allow the games to be sold at all, or ever produced.

Edited by author 05-19-2003 01:42 PM
I think it is up to the parents. Like when I got Conker's Bad Fur day on sunday (that game is hilarous) all I had to do is to get one of my parents to aprove of it. I think that is the perfect thing to do because the goverment dosn't really know what it right for everyone.

No one person can ultimately be held responsible, that's exactly why America is such a great country to live in.

I totaly agree with Dane no matter what they do it wont change.

Like Dane said, it wouldn't even make that much of a difference. It's like movies, you can't see R rated movies in the theatre or rent them, yet i've seen too many to count. Why is this? Because that law really doesn't make a difference, and neither would this law.

That's probably a good thing in a way because there are some people who can get influenced by that sort of thing I guess. However, I don't think it would work well because its not like they would know if a minor were playing those games just like nobody knows if 10 year olds are watching PG13 movies. I don't like playing games that involve a lot of violence though.. I'm more into the RPGs and adventure genre... But I would be more than happy to be able to watch TV for once rather than trying to work into my little brother's tight schedule for playing Halo and MechWarrior!

I have known about this bill for awhile my brother (Anders) read about it in his gaming magazine and it told people to call in and bug them about how stupid it is and I agree. Even if it goes into effect kids will just get their parents to buy the games for them. Usually my dad picks the games up for us anyway and we pay him back (his work is near a target). So I disagree with the bill but I don’t think it will actually affect anything. Also, if you see this message look at the one in the heritage project message board and try to answer me. BYE

Edited by author 05-16-2003 06:22 PM
I STRONGLY DISSAGREE! Some of my favorite games are Halo 2. Perfect Dar, and Conker's Bad Fur Day. Those games are all rated M and I would like to get more game like that. It should be up to the parent should get those games and video games don't cause kids to go on killing sprees or anything! I also think the rating system is getting WAY to strick. For example Perfect Dark wasn't much worse then Goldeneye 64. Goldeneye 64 was rated T then Perfect Dark was released about 3 years later and was rated M.

Edited by author 05-16-2003 03:36 PM
I think there should be an age limit. I mean, kids our age I think can handle it better than say, five year olds who play those kinds of games. Like my cousin is seven now, and he started playing Half-Life with his dad like, two years ago...and he's a maniac. Seriously, you don't want to be in the same room with him because it's all guns and detailed ways about how he could kill you if he got mad enough at you. I'm serious, too! It's not a very good thing to be putting into little kid's minds, exactly.

What I want to know is why they aren't restricting games with sexual content from minors as well. And what's up with it only being law enforcement officers? Are they more important than the average Joes that get killed in those games? I think the Constitution said all men were created equal...

I think that a lot of this is up to the parents. I mean, parents need to decide how they want their kids to act, and decide what things are good and bad influences for their kids. They can't decide everything for them, but I think a lot can be done with young kids and teaching them what is okay and what's not, and from then on, they're more likely to do the right thing. That's my take on it.

Edited by author 05-16-2003 03:29 PM
I know that violence on TV and games and stuff is 'cool' but I think that all that should be stopped, it just encourages kind to go out and do things like shoot real guns. My brother has like a million comp. games that are all rated T or M and now he wants a bbgun, and my mom just thinks it's because the neighbor got one, but I think its all the shooting that he does on his games. My brother is like really into this weapon thing and it kinda scares me because ya. I saw this one game at a store that was about fighting Iraqis and you like blow up the cities and stuff, that is not what we are doing over there and it ya... Well I agree with that law, but how will the 'inspectors' be able to tell what age the person was that the store sold the games to?? Well.... that's all.

Well, I can't really decide. I mean, sure, we have the rights to do whatever we want to, that includes buying whatever we want, with some age limits. But, if you can give it to 17 year olds legally, then they have the capability to go out and buy weapons and play out what happens in the game, yet, if you give it to say a 3rd grader, they might develop a habit to act out what they see in the video games. I think that it would be okay either way because younger kids can't understand what the video games imply when 17 year olds can. But, I guess that they really shouldn't be making those type of video games because the lack of responsibility of today’s society. That is why we had the Columbine High School shootings, isn't it? Well, I'm really still unsure about what should happen. I guess that we'll just have to find out!

Edited by author 05-16-2003 06:48 PM
The Washington State Legislature has passed a bill aimed at restricting the sale of video games that depict violence against law enforcement officers.

The measure, which passed 47-7, calls for misdemeanor charges and fines of up to $500 for any one that sells or rents such a game to someone under the age of 17.

What do you think? Should minors be allowed to purchase games with a rating of "M" or "A"?