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fantini  12-14-2004
01:22 AM ET (US)
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The most obviously fake Iraq blog is
"Iraq the Model"
I posted a comment there saying that from the text,
I could tell it was written by an US East Coast Male
who had visited Iraq maybe once.
It started by saying how great it was that Uncle ___
had a job in the National Guard, with a new uniform.
My url was promptly banned from comments.
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Thury
03-27-2003
02:14 PM ET (US)
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jleader, I'm looking for my sites. One of them, that claimed the internet had been cut, has been updated. Read it and it refers to the "alleged" cut off of service.
http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/features/html/iraq-internet.html
I'm still looking, but will get back with the link that talks about who has the ability to receive email (not just send it).
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Thury
03-27-2003
01:06 PM ET (US)
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Ahhhhh! A computer programmer! You ARE smart. Computers and me? Like a car, I can drive one, but don't need to know all the gorey engine details--like how it works.
I'll try to find the articles. Sort of like changing an car's oil--I can do it, but it's not pretty.
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jleader 03-27-2003
01:03 PM ET (US)
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Actually, Thury, I'm a programmer, and I guess it shows. Lawyers' jobs involve arguing with people; programmers' jobs involve arguing with computers, which are _much_ picker about facts!
Anyway, do you have any links to articles about all of Iraq's Internet access being cut off? I haven't been able to find much info one way or the other. The excerpt you posted below said "only [certain people] receive email at all, and Iraqi authorities are now blocking access to the system". Given the context, I assumed "system" referred to the Iraqi ISP's email servers, not Internet access as a whole.
Incidentally, there's what appears to be a pretty good up-to-date summary of Salam Pax's blog from the Philadelphia Inquirer, at http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/5490233.htm and another on Wired News at http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58206,00.html
Neither story mentions Internet access from Iraq being cut off, which of course doesn't prove anything one way or the other, but suggests the March 14 article you keep mentioning might not still be correct.
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Thury
03-26-2003
10:44 PM ET (US)
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Are you a lawyer, jleader? You sound like one. Symantics, symantics. Internet access ceased on the 14th. At least according to some sites I've been to that claim to know. Now you're going to say, "I thought you were skeptical about things on the internet," and I am. You inferred expertise.
"Probably most others" are not blocked? That's an assumption. You know what happens when you ASSume.
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jleader 03-26-2003
06:46 PM ET (US)
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I'm in Los Angeles, Thury, and I never claimed to be an expert on Iraqi Internet access (or much of anything else), though I know a little bit about the technical side of Internet and email protocols.
I just think you're reading too much into a non-technical article that over-generalized the situation. The excerpts you posted didn't say "internet access was ceased", they said "email access was ceased". Two very different things. The excerpt also talked about blocking some sites, which implies that others (probably most others) are not blocked. Which would suggest that Salaam Pax might still be able to read his email (and post to his blog) from Iraq.
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Thury
03-26-2003
05:59 PM ET (US)
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The article I read says that internet access was ceased on or before the 14th of March. If he posted on the 24th, how did he manage that?
If he's for real, I hope he's okay, too. However, I'm the spouse of a Marine and I tend to view these things from a different angle than some.
Just like I picture anyone in chat rooms as "Dirks," (Dirks are grimey old guys, cigar stubb in their mouths, dressed in dirty teeshirts and boxer shorts and belching up their Schlitz. Their chat room names are "foxybabe," "ironman," or some such pseudonymn.) I picture Pax to be some guy having the time of his life pulling the proverbial wool over "our" eyes.
And where are you, jleader? How are you an expert on Iraqi internet service provider access?
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jleader 03-26-2003
04:52 PM ET (US)
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Sorry, Thury, didn't mean to appear defensive. I guess I don't understand your point. You said "Guess he answered the question [of whether he's real or not]." That was the point I'm trying to address; I don't see that there's been any definitive answer to that question.
I pointed out that your reasoning was flawed; just because many ordinary people in Iraq have difficulty receiving email (as the article claimed), and Salaam Pax has received email, doesn't mean Salaam Pax isn't an ordinary person in Iraq. It might _suggest_ that he's more likely to be a fake than we'd otherwise thought, but it doesn't _answer_ the question. Though the article says "the government ... blocks foreign email servers", I doubt that they can find and block all forms of email access.
Why do you say to check out the dates on the blog? I know he's posted recently about losing his Internet access for a few days at a time, but he got it back on the 24th. As far as I could see, he hasn't posted since then. I hope he's OK.
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Thury
03-26-2003
02:12 PM ET (US)
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That last article exerpt was written 14 March. Check out the dates on the blog.
I'm not trying to "prove" anything. Don't get so defensive. Sheesh.
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