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SixDifferentWays
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03-14-2003 02:23 AM ET (US)
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Ha! That is BAD. But, it's not like an "UI Designer" with "Expertise with graphics programs Adobe Photoshop 6 and ImageReady 3. Expertise in image optimization and cross-browser compatability. Strong familiarity with QuarkXPress 4 and Macromedia Director 8 and Flash 5 and Adobe Illustrator 8. Strong organizational and marketing skills; proficiency in systematizing complex work environments. Ability to handle multiple tasks simultaneously and quickly grasp new concepts. Familiarity with Windows, UNIX, and Macintosh environments." Has much hope of finding any sort of job nowadays, any way.
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03-13-2003 01:06 PM ET (US)
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Russell, if it's copyrighted, and they actually copy non-trivial chunks of your content (as opposed to just imitating the general appearance) you _can_ sue them.
The web is just like traditional media that way. However, general appearance is _not_ protected by copyright, on the web _or_ in print. Now, if you register some aspect of your site design as a trademark, and a competitor copies that part of the design, you'd have a pretty good claim that they were trying to confuse your customers, and again, you could sue them. For example, I believe UPS has claimed that a brown truck is a trademark of theirs, and any delivery company whose trucks look too much like UPS trucks is trying to steal their trademark.
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03-12-2003 11:59 PM ET (US)
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Edited by author 03-13-2003 12:04 AM
But what can you do about it? Nothing. I used to work for a company called Ipswitch Inc. When we were in the process of redesigning the corporate site (when it was still in beta) someone at our competitor (GlobalSCAPE) stole the site design. The exec's were pissed, but we could not sue them, because the web is a free medium. You can steal anything you want with basically no repercussions. So now GlobalSCAPE has a similar layout to Ipswitch (most of the code is the same).
This was for one of their OLD sites, not their current one.
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| Teresa Nielsen Hayden
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03-12-2003 11:27 PM ET (US)
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Marcad, the entire publishing world is not about the wholesale appropriation of others' work. Not every thief gets caught every time, but that's another matter. The designer has every right to be irate. Did you look closely? Those weren't just "layout ideas" that were swiped; it was the entire design of the site plus all its supporting code.
If good design were easy, there'd be more of it. There's a lot of first-rate design work wrapped up in that website. The designer has been ripped off. It's theft.
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| dallmighty
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03-12-2003 10:51 PM ET (US)
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Appropriating layout ideas is one thing, but stealing the code and design lock, stock and barrel- then passing it off as your own? That's more than "pushing it"...it's fraud. At the least the guy could have modified some of the tags so it wasn't TOO obvious he riped the whole thing off. I'd be bent, too.
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03-12-2003 10:38 PM ET (US)
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layout theft? haha. This hack went too far, but come on, the entire online/offline publishing world is all about appropriating layout ideas.
i'm not saying this guy didn't push it, but hudson is so full of hot air its unbelievable.
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03-12-2003 08:28 PM ET (US)
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too funny. he should get a new domain "coldbusted.com"
p.s. that kenny g rant was actual LOL material, thanks.
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| Mark Frauenfelder
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03-12-2003 06:23 PM ET (US)
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> rendering glass spheres on checkerboard
It's so SIGGRAPH 1986.
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03-12-2003 06:13 PM ET (US)
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Christ, he's still rendering glass spheres on checkerboard. I don't think he's a threat to the design community.
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| Jonah Langenbeck
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03-12-2003 05:58 PM ET (US)
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A quote from the great Bruce Mau:
35. Imitate. Don't be shy about it. Try to get as close as you can. You'll never get all the way, and the seperation might be truly remarkable. We have only to look at Richard Hamilton and his version of Duchamp's Large Glass to see how rich, discredited and underused imitation is as a technique.
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| Chuck Kane
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03-12-2003 05:14 PM ET (US)
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Cooljazz is as authentic as his Kenny G-esque name implies. A fucking half-assed hack. Does he expect nobody to notice the discrepancy between his Portfolio Site, and his actual "Design Portfolio?" Take a look at the shoddy work he's produced, and the truth is plain as day. Oh, and to the schmucks that draw the analogy between stealing design/layout/UI, and pirating music. What "cooljazz" has done is akin to taking a Kenny G song, and without even re-recording it putting your name on it, and selling it (for money) as your own. It's a totally different story, you morons. You probably listen to Kenny G, too.
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| Fredrik Holmqvist
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03-12-2003 04:58 PM ET (US)
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This is the beauty of internet. Copy code you couldn't write yourself, learn from others.
The copying guy is probably worth the money. He works fast with that method.
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| Tiparillo
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03-12-2003 04:57 PM ET (US)
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Cool. I've been looking for a new site design. Thanks!
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| goosedog
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03-12-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)
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I bet there are damages involved here. After all, if they're in the same business and the coldjazz guy was using Hudson's design to fraudently plug his services then he was in affect stealing work from Hudson. Times are tough, nobody can afford to have work stolen from them. If I were Hudson I'd sue the coldjazz creep under the DMCA.
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03-12-2003 03:47 PM ET (US)
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Kharma will take care of all of it.
I once had a drunken idiot fall asleep on my rug and piss himself. The rug got $50 to clean, but after we got it back we *FOUND* an awesome wall clock that would have cost $100.
Kharma. Bank on it.
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03-12-2003 03:39 PM ET (US)
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>How serious is layout theft really anyway? <P> I think the problem lies in that he's selling himself as an interface designer, but he stole someone else's interface.
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| ratheon
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03-12-2003 03:25 PM ET (US)
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look at his main site (www.coldjazz.com) and look the the other fellow's (www.studio2f.com)... clearly hudson is a designer and the other guy is really a room full of a thousand monkeys at keyboards...
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03-12-2003 03:19 PM ET (US)
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yeah, it's not like he's downloading mp3s or anything.
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03-12-2003 02:14 PM ET (US)
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03-12-2003 02:12 PM ET (US)
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Wow, having to do his own site after all shows he would have been a decent web designer - in 1995.
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