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kimo  17
06-12-2008 09:49 AM ET (US)
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02-20-2008 04:42 AM ET (US)
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Jaarian  15
11-07-2007 02:24 AM ET (US)
Alert for all travellers to North America: Abuse of Human Rights and Privacy Violations:

Racially intolerant white canadian cops and security and their henchmen claim to be

despots; following parasitically in the footsteps of their american counterparts, and

wilfully engage in their racial profiling of non-whites, in racial harassment of

non-whites, and in racially dehumanizing attempts to racially harass non-whites through

intimidating physically, mentally, and spiritually; portraying their racial hatred of

non-whites through causing wilfull and dehumanizing disturbance to non-whites through using

illegal wall-see-through technologies and audio-bugs on non-whites' homes; through

listening and watching through the walls of non-whites' rented and owned homes, and

through their internet and private telephones. The perpetuators of these evil deeds do this

from their cars using illegal equipment slyly given to them by the unworthy cops, and then

accelerating their cars loudly and intimidatingly near non-whites' homes and driving

intimidatingly in presence of non-whites on streets, making threatening u-turns, driving

intimidatingly right up and over sidewalks when a non-white is on the sidewalk, and

throwing their ugly bullying weight around, in their shameless acts of cowardice. It is all

done slyly, supposedly smartly, however, they cannot fool all the people all the time. The

cops also participate themselves to wail their sirens abusively everytime non-whites move

and talk inside their rented and owned homes in daily routine living, in addition to having

their henchmen, and often, using their non-white gutless henchmen in cars, transport,

shopping centers, neighborhoods, etc, to commit these ugly harassing racially profiling

deeds at all times day and night. Using non-whites to engage in racial harassment of other

non-whites is an obnoxiously evil sinister humanely disgraceful intelligent move of the

whites well-known for their ugly divide and rule tactics through their non-white henchmen.

It's a shameful disgrace when the so called protectors of law turn into abusers of law

themselves and throw the weight of their uniforms and law around. So, they and their

henchmen, appear to be very law respecting on the outside; however, they network cowardly

to commit sly acts of provocation to non-whites all the time, which is supposed to be

legally acceptable. Is watching through walls of non-whites homes, bugging their homes,

working in networking syndicates against them, committing human rights and privacy

violations against them, supposedly lawful for the whites? Who makes those laws that favor

only the whites? The law itself has racism in its clauses. The ugly inner dirt of the

perpetuators of these evil deeds of racism do not deserve to step into religious

institutions for their ugly deeds - such as, if you ain't white, you ain't right? Oh!

Really? Nicely dressed, beautiful people, magnificient concrete jungles, clean roads and

lawns, sweet polite talkers on the outside, full of ugly stench in their souls, that is the

cause of these racist policies that are outrightly biased against non-whites. What a shame!

Most of these ugly acts of dehumanizing racial profiling depict the cowardice of the doers

of these deeds in the real sense, and are done at the behind the scenes insistence of the

racially intolerant white cops through their frontline stooges. However, without physical

evidence, the white cops, security, socieities, and their henchmen are laughing sinisterly

at their heinous deeds and the legal system seems to support this evil through its

inability to take action without physical evidence. Their racial profiling penetrates

public transport systems, shops and stores to do all they can to make the non-whites feel

unwelcome in their dehumanizing acts of racial profiling against non-whites and those who

don't conform to their nonsense. The white cops, security, and white communities use their

henchmen who do just as they are told and from behind the safety cushion of their

oil-guzzling, pollution creating, often dark-glassed vehicles to intimidate and harass

non-whites in obnoxious racial profiling that reflects the immoral, despotic, and cowardly

behaviour of racially intolerant white cops, security, communities and their dumb henchmen

who do just as they are told, fuelled as they are in their racial frenzy, thanks to the

racially manipulative corporate controlled media.

For more information, visit:

http://www.yourluckytoday.blogspot.com

Volunteers are welcome to circulate this information to all they know to put an end to this

abuse and violations of human rights committed by immorally misbehaved white cops,

security, white communities, public transports, shops, stores, etc, and their dumb henchmen

who do just as they are told in their racial frenzy.

Save this information on your computers before any cowards remove it from the websites.

Racism is immoral and dehumanizing behaviour that reflects the "incapable to perform

humanely" quality of those who are racist and are being watched from God's court above in

ways they cannot be expected to be capable to perceive yet.

It's a shame when obnoxious stench of racism comes from people in so called rich countries.

It's even more of a shame when words are twisted by media to influence young minds with

lies. It's even more of a shame when so called authorities perpetuate racism and behave

racistly and enforce racist policies and behaviour through intimidating means amidst outer

sweet and polite talks. Racism seems to be prominent among so called white people in rich

countries who cannot bear non-whites from other countries of origin. Planet Earth belongs

to people of Earth. Highly educated people of high intellectual calibres, rich bosses and

CEOs, etc, of rich countries are a blotch on humanity and their material levels when they

haven't yet evolved to basic human concepts of all humans have red blood irrespective of

race.

Racism stems from social attitudes that are perpetuated by racist societies, the media, the

authoritarians, and the peers. It's time to say, shame on all those who perpetuate racism

and racist attitudes.


Thank you.
Pierson RoyerPerson was signed in when posted  14
04-30-2007 08:18 AM ET (US)
BIBLE PROPHECY:IRAQ WILL NEVER BE REBUILT IRAQ? IRAQ?
Isaiah 13:19-22 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
    
 19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
       the glory of the Babylonians' [a] pride,
       will be overthrown by God
       like Sodom and Gomorrah.
 20 She will never be inhabited
       or lived in through all generations;
       no Arab will pitch his tent there,
       no shepherd will rest his flocks there.
 21 But desert creatures will lie there,
       jackals will fill her houses;
       there the owls will dwell,
       and there the wild goats will leap about.
 22 Hyenas will howl in her strongholds,
       jackals in her luxurious palaces.
       Her time is at hand,
       and her days will not be prolonged
Isaiah 13:19-22 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson
  
 17-22"And now watch this:
   Against Babylon, I'm inciting the Medes,
A ruthless bunch indifferent to bribes,
   the kind of brutality that no one can blunt.
They massacre the young,
   wantonly kick and kill even babies.
And Babylon, most glorious of all kingdoms,
   the pride and joy of Chaldeans,
Will end up smoking and stinking like Sodom,
   and, yes, like Gomorrah, when God had finished with them.
No one will live there anymore,
   generation after generation a ghost town.
Not even Bedouins will pitch tents there.
   Shepherds will give it a wide berth.
But strange and wild animals will like it just fine,
   filling the vacant houses with eerie night sounds.
Skunks will make it their home,
   and unspeakable night hags will haunt it.
Hyenas will curdle your blood with their laughing,
   and the howling of coyotes will give you the shivers.
   "Babylon is doomed.
   It won't be long now."
Isaiah 13:19-22 (Amplified Bible)
Amplified Bible (AMP)
Copyright © 1954, 1958, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1987 by The Lockman Foundation
    
19And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldeans' pride, shall be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
    20[Babylon] shall never be inhabited or dwelt in from generation to generation; neither shall the Arab pitch his tent there, nor shall the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
    21But wild beasts of the desert will lie down there, and the people's houses will be full of dolefully howling creatures; and ostriches will dwell there, and wild goats [like demons] will dance there.
    22And [a]wolves and howling creatures will cry and answer in the deserted castles, and jackals in the pleasant palaces. And [Babylon's] time has nearly come, and her days will not be prolonged.
    
Footnotes:
a. Isaiah 13:22 This whole prophecy is generally conceded to have been written well over a century (170 years, according to archbishop James Ussher) before Babylon's downfall, when the circumstances necessary for its fulfillment seemed most improbable--but it has been literally fulfilled in detail. Human keenness of foresight could not possibly have foreseen that great Babylon would be wiped from the face of the earth (Isa. 13:19), become ruins infested by wild animals (Isa. 13:21, 22), be feared because of superstition by the Arabs (Isa. 13:20)--with only a small village near the area to mark the place where, since the days of Nimrod, mighty kings had exalted themselves above the God of heaven. Various conquerors during the centuries contributed to Babylon's downfall until, by the first century B.C., it was as utterly and hopelessly destroyed as Sodom and Gomorrah (Isa. 13:19).
Isaiah 13:19-22 (Contemporary English Version)
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Copyright © 1995 by American Bible Society
 
The LORD Will Destroy Babylon
 19The city of Babylon
   is glorious and powerful,
   the pride of the nation.
   But it will be like the cities
   of Sodom and Gomorrah
   after I, the Lord,
   destroyed them.
    20 No one will live in Babylon.
   Even nomads won't camp nearby,
   and shepherds won't let
   their sheep rest there.
    21Only desert creatures,
   hoot owls, and ostriches
   will live in its ruins,
   and goats [a] will leap about. 22Hyenas and wolves will howl
   from Babylon's fortresses
   and beautiful palaces.
   Its time is almost up!
    
Isaiah 13:19-22 (New International Reader's Version)
New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
Copyright © 1996, 1998 by International Bible Society
   

 19 The city of Babylon is the jewel of kingdoms.
      It is the glory and pride of the Babylonians.
   But God will destroy it
      just as he did Sodom and Gomorrah.
 20 No one will ever live in Babylon again.
      No one will live there for all time to come.
   Arabs will never set up their tents there.
      Shepherds will never rest their flocks there.
 21 But desert creatures will lie down there.
      Wild dogs will fill its houses.
   Owls will live there.
      Wild goats will jump around in it.
 22 Hyenas will cry out in its forts.
      Wild dogs will bark in its beautiful palaces.
   The time for Babylon to be punished is near.
      Its days are numbered.
baxa  13
04-10-2007 03:37 PM ET (US)
hihihihi
MATTHEW  12
11-13-2006 10:17 AM ET (US)
Edited by author 11-13-2006 10:19 AM
are you religious frank? and where did you get the information saying the holy prophet ordered the death of an elderly man, woman and a child
   11
07-21-2006 02:08 AM ET (US)
Deleted by topic administrator 07-21-2006 08:56 AM
Frank  10
03-13-2005 03:57 PM ET (US)
The fact remains that Ameica's war against Islamic terror is the whole world's war against Islamo_Fascism and Islamic terrorism.

The fact is that Islam is pure evil dressed up as "peaceful" by some muslims.


Deal with the facts. Muhammad child raped a 9 year old little girl when in her own words was still playing with her dolls.

Then there is Muhammad slaughter of the entire male population of a tribe in Medina. Not to mention his muslims terrorist being told to kill his political enemies including an old man and a women with children. because those bad folks made fun of his pagan moon god cult.

Then there is Muhammad's muslim terrorist killing and stealing from Mecca caravans during the pagan Ramadan. They were told to bring back 20% of the stolen goods to Muhamhead to please allah of course.

And how do you like the koran telling men to beat their wives? It even tells the kind of stick to use.

Then there is the koran's promises of virgins, endless drunkeness (rivers of wine) and homosexual peophilia (young boys as fine as pearls).

Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu’ran.There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct.
In Islam All infidels are to be converted, enslaved or killed.As long as the Koran exists, Islam will continue to oppress, murder, enslave, threaten, lie and terrorize innocent people.

When I think of what type of people order their followers to commit murder, I only can think of organized crime bosses or corrupt political figures. Ayatollah Khomenni comes to mind. How would an Iranian be treated if he spoke out about Khomenni ? Amnesty International just reported that many political prisoners have been executed in Iran.
His fundamentalist Islamic regime had other dissident Iranians murdered all over the world. These murderous Muslims represent exactly what Muhammad was all about. They follow Muhammad's methodology: kill those who are a threat to your credibility and power over others.

Hizbollah and other Islamic terrorist groups for example knows exactly what they are doing. They know it is cold-blooded murder that they are committing upon Muhammad's request.

With the Islamic terrorists , "enemy personnel" can be anyone from an English Hi humanitarian worker in Iraq, an Indian Kafir(Infidel who doesn't believe in Allah), a Russian,A communist, An Algerian muslim kid, a Dutch filmmaker(van Gough) or a Jewish toddler. In short, the enemy is anyone not a Muslim(or sometimes a muslim) who does not believe the world is destined to be ruled by Islam.
Saddam  9
10-21-2003 04:37 AM ET (US)
Kill more USA!
andy shooner  8
03-21-2003 02:58 PM ET (US)
I think we ought to stick to the facts on this list. I don't know whether the US gave saddam wmd. I wouldn't be surprised, but the fact is that none of us know.
Also, we do not know the "collateral" damage in specific terms. It is not difficult to make the generalization that we are killing innocent people. To think otherwise is extremely naive.

I have been torn on whether the US is legit in its actions. I am still opposed to the way we went about doing it; I think that we could have worked a little harder at getting some popular support.
But, life is not so simple. There is no right answer as to whether we're doing it for oil or freedom. It is both. The US is neither an altruistic superhero or a cold-hearted opportunist. True we went into kuwait to protect the oil. But we also went in to somalia, kosovo, and yugolsavia, without any natural resources at stake. Does this mean the future is assuredly bright for iraq? I don't know. The blakans seem to be a place of democracy these days. But regimes the US has set up also have a very nasty track record of becoming dictatorships.

I think the thing that does bother me is the fact that while i am very suspect of a any nation (especially my own) that seems to take part in naked aggression, I still am incredulous at the rest of the world's reaction. I respect the world opinion, and I think that it is extremely important. I just am amazed that the leaders in opposition to US involvment are all nations that are beneficiaries of just such US involvement within the last century. I mean, both the british and french would be speaking german right now if it weren't for the same type of action the US is now taking. (ok mabe a little extreme)
So in summary, the US is foolishly not heeding the more cautious nations, who in turn are probably being too cautious for everyone's good. Personally I am against war in general, and don't think it is ever the best solution, but unfortunately that is not the way the wordl has worked so far.
Eric  7
03-21-2003 02:32 PM ET (US)

Obviously when you drop hundreds of 1000 pound bombs in an urban area, civilians are killed.
Wake up and smell the coffee. WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.


The facts speak for themselves. Virtually NO civilian casualties thus far, at least as reported by reputable independent sources. You are correct that there will no doubt be some innocent civilian casualties. Would you like some cheese with that whine?? Grow up and join the real world. By that logic, no war should ever be fought, in which case enjoy your free speech rights while you can because there are plenty of forces in the world that would be quite happy to take full advantage of such pacifistic naivete. Wasn't avoiding war at all costs what PM "Peace in our time" Chamberlain tried to do? We know how well that worked out.
  

However, since our government supplied Saddam with weapons and even Anthrax, when he was fighting Iran, pretending this conflict is some kind of humanitarian effort is at best ignorant and at worst blatently false.


We supplied Saddam with ANTHRAX??? Look, when you decide to enter the real world and discuss facts, rather than absurd hallucinations, please come back. (And for those keeping track of truth... The FRENCH were the ones that happily sold Saddam all the equipment he needed to develop his bioweapons program.)

Oh, and nobody is pretending this is a humanitarian effort. The primary objective is to remove the threat of WMD. The hoped-for democratization of Iraq is icing on the cake.

As for the Kuwaiti gov't... I don't recall ANY historical precedent for ousting and replacing the gov't of the nation you're defending. But you are correct that the US (and every other major power throughout history) has had to hold its nose and use some distasteful proxies in the past. It would be just wonderful if we could insist on using our Constitution as the benchmark of our foreign policy. I know from talking with folks from various nations that that, in fact, is what much of the world would like for us to do -- we would instantly regain a great deal of lost respect. But you must lead a very sheltered life if you've never had to choose between "bad" and "worse" with no other choices available.
Marty  6
03-21-2003 01:34 PM ET (US)
Obviously when you drop hundreds of 1000 pound bombs in an urban area, civilians are killed.

Wake up and smell the coffee. WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

Now as to whether this is a greater/lesser evil then Saddam, that is a different arguement.

However, since our government supplied Saddam with weapons and even Anthrax, when he was fighting Iran, pretending this conflict is some kind of humanitarian effort is at best ignorant and at worst blatently false.

Remember when we "liberated" Kuwait?

What happened to the democracy there? It's still a totalitarian regime, as is Saudi Arabia our other great ally and supplier of terrorists.

The US seeemingly has no interest in democracy as long as the dictators do business with us and serve some purpose.

The Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussien, Osama bin Ladden are all examples of men we have supplied and supported.

Marty
Eric  5
03-21-2003 12:54 PM ET (US)
Edited by author 03-21-2003 12:58 PM
It saddens me that you believe this clap-trap about massive civilian casualties. "Killing civilians everyday"?? The war has only been on for a couple of days and there's been precious little independent confirmation of *any* civilian deaths. Where in the world are you getting your distorted "facts"??? Yes, folks will die. But somehow their accidental deaths are FAR MORE IMPORTANT than the 10's of thousands that the genocidal Saddam & Sons have slaughtered over the years? And people from the Continent have the nerve to call Americans arrogant??

And then the tired old, "all about oil" thing. Get real! The US has been getting along fine virtually w/o Iraqi oil for a dozen years. Oh and by the way, the proof is all there that it is the FRENCH that were obstructing things out of greed. They were illegally selling all sorts of armaments to support the Butcher of Baghdad. And it is more applicable to say that it was about oil for the French to offer their kneejerk veto threats.

To claim that the media and US Gov't are engaged in brainwashing is about the most phenomenally ignorant statement I've ever heard. First off, the vast majority of reporters are quite left-wing. And although the Bush administration is actually fairly moderate, the biased media portray them as right-wing extremists. So where do you see collusion between them?? Ignorant, just plain ignorant. And if you're not getting your favorite German misinformation channel, complain to your cable company. Unlike in other parts of the world, the Gov't *here* doesn't tell them what to do, most likely nobody but you was watching that channel and they decided to show something that would bring in advertising dollars.

And then you trot out the extremely naive "All killing is evil." Baloney. The cost of freedom has always been blood and will always be until the wimps of the world stop caving in when there's the least threat of hostilities. "If Good kills does it not in turn become Evil?" There's a name for nations that believe that -- conquered. Funny, killing was good enough for Europeans when American blood was called for to save them several times last century. It wasn't Evil then. No, unfortunately, sometimes Good must resort to violence to resist Evil. But many in the world seem to take for granted that it is the US that will shed the blood for their freedom, and because we hold freedom so highly, we're pretty much always willing to shed that blood. When the French and Germans drop their holier-than-thou arrogance and start laying *their* lives on the line, THEN they have the moral authority to debate the rightness of this war. Otherwise, they have ZERO credibility on this issue.
Tobias  4
03-21-2003 10:52 AM ET (US)
I am a German National permanent resident of the United States (Let the flames begin!) and it greatly saddens me how people are completely oblivious to the fact that this war is _killing_ civilians everyday. The Media is talking about High-Tech weapons, military strategy, "surgical" air strikes. _No_: People are dying, war is messy, and it is all about oil. Sell your SUVs, and don't let the Media and the US government brainwash you into believing that this is an initiative to free the people of Iraq. All of a sudden I can't get DW-TV German news on cable TV anymore, censorship is happening! And all in the name of democracy. Read: "The political economy of the mass media" by Noam Chomsky. And please: Don't say the French are greedy and President Bush is waging war out of the goodness of his heart. (And in the process trying to distract from the internal economical shambles he has created). _Wake up_ America! ... and thanks for creating this forum, I was getting tired of reading the call for war messages on the Newton list ... and no: I don't care about Patriotism, if it is used to kill people, using history's analogies: Hitler did the same thing to the Germans: You are unpatriotic, if you are not with us, you are against us ... Us - them ... Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?! (Do you want total war!?). Good vs. Evil. If Good kills does it not in turn become Evil?
Eric  3
03-21-2003 08:50 AM ET (US)

Making the case should have been the US's primary objective, not projecting the image of a nation that would go it alone.


Maybe, except that we DID make the case. But those that reflexively oppose the US and those with strong greed interests in Iraq (*cough* French *cough*) chose to ignore that case.

Remember, under 1441 the burden of proof was on IRAQ! The inspectors were supposed to just be checking off the laundry list of WMD that Iraq was to provide. Inspection was never supposed to be about searching out items Iraq was trying to hide. It was Iraq's job to account for all the WMD that the UN *KNEW* they had back in '98 when the inspectors were ejected. Blix himself, in his last report, admitted they'd failed to do so.

If inspections WERE supposed to root things out, then they were doomed to failure. That nuclear inspector couldn't find the toes at the end of his foot. LAST time, he claimed there was no Iraqi nuclear weapons program, until a defector came out and said look at these specific locations and BAM! there it was, plain as day.

Does the rest of the world SERIOUSLY expect the US to have simply waited meekly until Saddam, either intentionally or through corruption of underlings, supplied someone with chem/bio weapons and *another* few thousand innocent Americans lay dead on American soil?? GET REAL! I drive past the Pentagon twice a day. We are TOTALLY within our rights to take actions we believe will prevent even greater disasters. (I suspect the reason Russia hasn't been more strongly opposed is due to that whole theater hostage thing. They know, even if they don't want to publically admit it, that we're right in trying to root out the Jihadists and fellow travelers/supporters.)

And, as a reminder, the Coalition's current actions are FULLY LEGITIMATE under 1441. We are enforcing a UN Security Council resolution. Current activity is exactly what the diplo-speak phrase "serious consequences" means! Further, under the UN Charter the Coalition's actions are legitimate under the provision for soverign nations to defend themselves. Those who believe Iraq posed no threat are terminally naive. I say 'terminally' because such naivete will eventually lead to someone's death. Probably a BUNCH of someones.

OK, enough venting for now. Steam pressure has returned to near normal... ;-)
andy shooner  2
03-21-2003 12:50 AM ET (US)
thanks for the qickpost...

While diplomac y has it's limits of function, I dont think it would be a stretch to say they have not been exausted in this case. i do not mean with Iraq, but rather with the world community. I think the decisive ultimatum was misdirected; it should not have been at iraq, but rather the UN. Making the case should have been the US's primary objective, not projecting the image of a nation that would go it alone. Echoing so many from all sides of the western world, it is not so much what the US wants as how we are going about it. I apologize for any typos, my roomate and i just celebrated the end of the quarter, and im pretty smashed right about now.
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