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| best@gmail.com
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07-30-2007 05:34 PM ET (US)
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gmc trucks here www.gmctruck.fora.pl
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real gmc www.gmctruck.fora.pl
and www.emeraldring.fora.pl rings
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| allrings@gmail.com
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07-29-2007 09:44 PM ET (US)
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emerald rings and gold rings www.emeraldring.fora.pl
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03-14-2003 04:06 PM ET (US)
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And your insurance company could be counted on to make your providing this info to them part of their contract.
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03-14-2003 01:11 PM ET (US)
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Craig, if the individual can choose to provide it, then it could also be subpeonaed. I think the right against self-incrimination only covers testimony, not other forms of evidence.
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03-13-2003 11:54 PM ET (US)
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No real changes for privacy. NYC cabs have allways kept a written log, and many now have passenger compartment cameras.
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03-13-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)
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The privacy concerns people have about automobile blackboxes are definately understandable. If these privacy issues versus the advantages of collecting this data has always been a hot matter of debates--these work for the organizations, but can work against the individual.
What if this data could be collected, but only the owner
of the car could retieve it? This way the crash data can be volunteered to provide critical information for scientists, or to help exonerate themselves in the event of an accident. If this was implemented, would people be more accepting of automobile black boxes?
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03-13-2003 06:56 PM ET (US)
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It should be noted that it isn't a matter of safety, but one of legality. You are on a road and traveling at 10 mph under the speed limit -- are you at a safe speed? 10 mph over -- are you at an unsafe speed? Don't know; all you can say is that you are at a legal or illegal speed. It's uncertain at best that these devices will add to safety; they will make it possible for your insurance to deny or lessen your claims, however. That's what they're interested in -- if they get that through safety, that's fine with them, but if they get it through something that has no effect on safety, that's fine with them too. These boxes are about bottom lines, not about safety.
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03-13-2003 05:49 PM ET (US)
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This will change the future plots of Law and Order forever.
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| Chris Smith
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03-13-2003 05:20 PM ET (US)
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The Ontario Provincial Police have been using these for about 6 years. Thats how long they have been in some cars. Some interesting notes here: http://www.tarorigin.com/ARnews/ARnews6-99/0919.htmlApparently the OPP took the time to crash 4 vehicles to independently verify (with separate instrumentation) how well the recorders would assist reconstruction. Another article here: http://www.accidentreconstruction.com/news/mar01/031901c.aspdiscusses the use to determine how severe an accident was (the car left a bridge, and the accelerometer could determine how quickly it stopped when hitting the ground). I've also heard of cases where left-turning drivers who were struck claim the oncoming straight-through vehicle was going too quickly. The black box data confirmed this was not the case. It sounds like the taxi recorders are like current car recorders - a crash triggers a lock in of the previous 5 seconds worth of info. As I understand it, at all other times, they continuously loop over the 5 seconds. So - if you were pulled over while just driving, the last 5 seconds will be the low speed of you pulling off to the shoulder. Not to incriminating there... As always, watch for technology changes... |
| Eli the Bearded
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03-13-2003 04:44 PM ET (US)
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Of course, there is the issue of can the recorded speed be trusted if one or more wheels has left contact with the ground and was spinning freely? A 'black box' that only records a few minutes, and cannot broadcast it in any way, doesn't seem too bad privacy wise, if the only time people investigate it is after a crash the car won't be driving away from. There is a thing called a 'CarChip' which perhaps this black box is based on. The CarChip records a lot more than would be needed for figuring out fault in an accident, though. http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip.asp |
| chico haas
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03-13-2003 04:41 PM ET (US)
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Edited by author 03-13-2003 04:42 PM
Hope plans don't include "cockpit" recorders. All of the worst things I'm capable of saying, I say while driving.
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03-13-2003 04:28 PM ET (US)
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already here and being used to prosecute- "But the vehicular homicide charge Zimmerman now faces rests on the evidence police found days after the accident; after police obtained this search warrant to extract the so called black box from her mangled sport utility vehicle. " http://www.thebostonchannel.com/automotive...ail.html?type=print |
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03-13-2003 02:39 PM ET (US)
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Black boxes are already on passenger cars. Many cars have an onboard network, sharing data between modules on board. Vehicles speed, engine RPM, throttle angle, etc. are available as data parameters sent out at regular intervals over the vehicle's data bus.
So, the airbag module normally captures this information and it is available (if the module survives the crash) upon interrogation using appropriate tools.
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