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Rob M 02-09-2003
06:21 PM ET (US)
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Although not about OpenOffice(but similar topic), I just recently bought Mellel, $19 for shareware, http://www.redlers.com/mellel.html. It is Cocoa based. It seems to be on its way to a replacement for Word. Also, upgrades are free for 3 years. Wow!!! How about that MS or Apple. It does not save files as .Doc, but they can be saved as .RTF or text files. I like the interface. It is very Mac-like. Also, to open a .Doc file just save it as .RTF and then open it in Mellel. One other drawback is that it does not track changes like MS Word, but for home use or light office use this is a winner. Edited 02-10-2003 04:37 PM
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Jamie
02-09-2003
12:46 PM ET (US)
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I was comparing the Java/Wordperfect combo with X11/OpenOffice. I know OO is not Java based - maybe that wasn't the best comparison. Still it does not make sense to use something other than 100% native when it comes to office apps. If there was a Cocoa/Carbon version of OO then I would seriously consider it (although I have used the native Windows version and was not entirely impressed).
On review, I think I am bitter about two separate issues:
1. The lack of maturity in OO
2. Additional overhead of X11 on my already slow 700Mhz iBook.
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Rob McNair-Huff 02-09-2003
02:06 AM ET (US)
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Yeah, Jamie, I think you are thinking of Think Office, and I had the same impression of it that you apparently did. It was just too glacially slow to be usable. I haven't found that to be the case at all with OpenOffice so far though...
I do have to admit though that as good as OpenOffice will be for creating and working with .doc files, when it comes to the final editing process in documents I have to make revision notes on after they are returned from an editor, it doesn't look like OOo will measure up. The revision marks and editing tools in Word are beyond the abilities of any third-party apps I have seen that otherwise work fine with .doc files...
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pbx 02-08-2003
07:21 PM ET (US)
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Jamie, it's hard to tell from your message, but I think you're confusing OOo with Think Office. The latter is written in Java. The former runs as a native binary.
FWIW, I find AppleWorks a hell of a lot more crash-prone than OOo.
I've been using OOo for a few weeks (I wrote it up on Forwarding Address: OS X). Frankly I'm really impressed that it exists at all. The Aqua port should be great.
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Jamie
02-08-2003
05:22 PM ET (US)
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I think Apple porting X11 is one of their smartest moves. I can run Matlab and many other applications on my mac now that I couldn't before. That said, I would NEVER use OpenOffice - especially under X11. I would rather "borrow" a copy of MS Office X or use a native app (Appleworks, TeXshop). Using a buggy, crash-prone and inconsistant combination of OpenOffice and X11 is a bad, bad idea.
It kinda reminds me of the Java port of WordPerfect. Sure Java might be suitable for a P2P app (Limewire), but an Office Suite? What were they thinking?
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Giles Turnbull
02-08-2003
05:13 PM ET (US)
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I've got OO running on my iBook - getting it started takes a while, but once it's running it seems to work very nicely.
But, if all I'm doing it creating a .doc file, I'm more likely to fire up AbiWord, which also runs under X11, and use that instead. It's neat and fast, and better on OS X than Microsoft Office X, which is still installed on my computer but rarely gets used.
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Rob McNair-Huff 02-08-2003
03:28 PM ET (US)
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Are you using OpenOffice? Would you consider running an open source program like this on your OS X machine? Or is it just easier to pony up the cash to join the Microsoft bandwagon?
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