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Thad Hoffman
02-26-2003
01:33 AM ET (US)
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I was just perusing the BB site again... I get the feeling that they are targetting Network admin types with TextWrangler, or perhaps Mac users in a newly Unix environment. Seems like a Vi or emacs for the rest of us. For those users that work on an OS X Mac but connect to or admin other unix machines/servers or just their machine. But that is just speculation on my part. I know I'd much prefer to use TextWrangler to edit files in my command line ssh sessions vs Vi or emacs...
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Rob McNair-Huff  02-26-2003
01:27 AM ET (US)
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You bring up great points, Thad. I do think that people will cringe a bit at spending $49 for a text editor, since most people don't write in text editors. Most people want a word processor, something that can open Word docs rather than text files. But that being said, I am not sure that $49 is a horrible price.
$179 for BBEdit is a bit steep, but it is powerful and it caters to a well established audience. If they can get the price, they should go for it and keep their business alive and growing.
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Thad Hoffman
02-26-2003
01:15 AM ET (US)
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Hey Rob, I see your point. Although, as far as I can tell it isn't really BBEdit lite. Some seems more powerful in some ways, seems lacking in others. I don't see why they don't leave the frozen lite up on the site though, other than directly competing with TextWrangler. What cracks me up is all the posts since 7.0 release are moaning about the price. It isn't that bad, especially if you are a registered user - 49 bucks(well 59 now I think)- when most people spend way more than that on just on games. I guess I see BB as growing up, like a Toyota to a Lexus, or OS 9 to OS X...when "you" didn't pay for it in the first place, "you" really don't have a right to gripe, now if the upgrade path, say went to 129 dollars, oh like say Jaguar, then bit** away. :-) I wonder though is the real issue people have that the free stuff is now gone or that 49/159 bucks is just way too much for quality software? Is 49 bucks too much for good shareware? What would a "fair" price for BBEdit be? Edited 02-26-2003 01:18 AM
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Rob McNair-Huff 02-26-2003
12:52 AM ET (US)
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Thad, I agree with you about how great BBEdit is, and I really can't blame the Bare Bones folks for wanting to make more money on their investment. It just would have been nice if they were a little more up front about it rather than spinning the release of TextWrangler as a completely new app. It is BBEdit Lite with a price tag. That's fine. They should just call it what it is.
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Thad Hoffman
02-25-2003
11:56 PM ET (US)
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Just was reading some posts on macslash. Anyone who thinks "who would spend ~100 bucks on a text editor" doesn't need BBEdit. It is so much more than that, so much more power.
The dif files feature rocks - open files, folders, etc... smooth fast and you can save it. Integration with projector and CVS, long file name support long before others, even DWMX doesn't support longer than 32 char names, ftp, file groups, on the fly syntax coloring and you can switch it, split screen, arrange windows, glossary, etc....
It's extremely powerful more like an complete IDE than just a text editor.
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Thad Hoffman
02-25-2003
11:44 PM ET (US)
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I saw that today when I went to order my 7.0.2 upgrade from 6.5. I've bought a copy of BBEdit since 5.0 and each upgrade has been worth every penny for me so far. I use it 14+ hours a day. I kinda prefer it under OS 9.1 for large file as my OS X 10.1.5 machine kinda is slow, course that is connecting via smb to my PC server and I also make auto backups upon save. Anyway I held off on 7.0 but notice that 7.0.2 brings back 9.1 support. I need the VBScript syntax due to my work, so that and CVS support are the other reasons to upgrade. Anyway, there are tons of OS X text apps out there, personally I prefer BBEdit growing up a bit. It kicks dreamweaver mx's butt on editing, and it still is a small, fast, sturdy app no matter what the OS. I see BBEdit lite as the mac clones were viewed, cannibalizing the market, remember BBEdit only runs on Macs and if half your market is using your free version and not upgrading (as was there intent, hook you with the free version then you'll buy the real one similar to ProTools) you'll be soon out of business. Especially with the onslaught of editors for X.
My 2cents. Also, BBEdit support are tops. Macromedia's is as well and no slight against DWMX, just is painfully slow on my X machine.
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BrianC
02-25-2003
10:12 PM ET (US)
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I downloaded to just see what it looks like and play with it a bit. First thing I tried was to see what AppleScript it has. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nil. At least BBEdit Lite had a minimal set of AS functionality.
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Dan Knight
02-25-2003
09:22 PM ET (US)
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Thank goodness companies can't revoke what we've already got. I'm still using a copy of the freeware version of PopChar and BBEdit Lite 4.6 under OS 9 and classic mode. Both do exactly what I want. I have no reason to ever pay for the commercial versions.
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Rob McNair-Huff 02-25-2003
01:19 PM ET (US)
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Unfortunately, TextWrangler does not offer HTML editing tools like the full version of BBEdit, so it may be inadequate for that task...
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Rob M 02-25-2003
01:02 PM ET (US)
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I think you nailed it then if BBEdit lite will be discontinued. A lot of people just use BBEdit for rendering HTML and it was expensive for that, so this fits a niche.
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